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Jakus Cemendur Caldari The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.12.23 14:00:00 - [91] Originally by: Pitt Bull Reading the OP, I'm pretty sure they insulted themselves. Of and of course that suddenly makes it alright to insult them, how silly of me. If you want people to listen to you, you talk to them politely and constructively, it's how you do it face to face, and it's how you do it on the internet. Being the internet does not suddenly make insults a good way to get people to listen to you.
Jakus Cemendur Caldari The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.12.23 14:01:00 - [92] Originally by: 7shining7one7 we are paying customers you utter fanboi.. what's gonna help ccp the most, that someone praises them when they screw up or someone who are frank with them and tells them what's up? Did i say you didn't have the right to criticise them? Of course you do, we're the players, we play the game. But there's a difference between putting across your point constructively, and putting it across in a way that involves objects being inserted in interesting ways into devs.
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2007.12.23 14:03:00 - [93] Originally by: Jakus Cemendur Originally by: Pitt Bull Reading the OP, I'm pretty sure they insulted themselves. Of and of course that suddenly makes it alright to insult them, how silly of me. If you want people to listen to you, you talk to them politely and constructively, it's how you do it face to face, and it's how you do it on the internet. Being the internet does not suddenly make insults a good way to get people to listen to you. you try and say that back a few weeks ago when trinity patch had the boot.ini error.. fanbois like you help diddly squat for eve's progress, just shut up and play the game.. i'm sure you play it well but please don't sabotage attempts of keeping eve good instead of turning it into WoW.
Corey Grim FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.23 14:04:00 - [94] This thread needs more fact and less insulting CCP. At the moment speed figures are like this (maxed skills) when fitted 1x mwd t2 and 1x overdrive t2 and 1x medium shield extender t2 for dictors (wich is the most used "tanking module" for fleet battles in dictor. Interdictors: Sabre: 3140 m/s -- 82m sig radius -- 492m sig radius (mwd on) Heretic: 2766 m/s -- 90m sig radius -- 540m sig radius (mwd on) Eris: 2722 m/s -- 86m sig radius -- 516m sig radius (mwd on) Flycatcher: 2662 m/s -- 90m sig radius -- 540m sig radius (mwd on) Interceptors (tier2) Without mediums shield extender Claw: 5234 m/s -- 22.5m sig radius -- 135m sig radius (mwd on) Crusader: 5223 m/s -- 24m sig radius -- 140m sig radius (mwd on) Taranis: 4755 m/s -- 27m sig radius -- 162m sig radius (mwd on) Crow: 5020 m/s -- 27m sig radius -- 162m sig radius (mwd on) Heavy assault Ships (tier1) with 2 t2 overdrives to compensate more low slots not touching sig radius in here becouse these ships aint the one who are usually trying to fly 150 km to get the tackle on hostile snipers these are just for comparsion Vagabond: 4194 m/s (1054 m/s faster than Sabre) Zealot: 2682 m/s (84 m/s slower than Heretic) Ishtar: 2458 m/s (264 m/s slower than Eris) Cerberus: 2117 m/s (545 m/s slower than Flycatcher) That comparison sheet looks a bit off no ??? Im not saying that the nerfie wasnt needed, but im saying it hit the wrong place and way too hard. Now if we could get ~1000 m/s more speed for every interdictor that sheet would actually look like it should in my opinion. Reasons why dictors need that kind of speed is fleet battle tackling when they actually need to fly sometimes very long distances to get the bubble in place and not to die occasional hits from BS¦s and not to die on their way out from the hostile blob (wich imo is the most trickiest part). Thats why they were brought into game no ?. My Latest Video:Kaamos
Jakus Cemendur Caldari The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.12.23 14:05:00 - [95] Originally by: 7shining7one7 you try and say that back a few weeks ago when trinity patch had the boot.ini error.. fanbois like you help diddly squat for eve's progress, just shut up and play the game.. i'm sure you play it well but please don't sabotage attempts of keeping eve good instead of turning it into WoW. Read the post above yours i made in response to you. I have nowhere said criticism = bad, i'm just saying people are going about it in a way that will not make devs listen to them. If you truly care about this game, and improving it, helping to fix all the bugs and imbalances etc.(and no i don't think EVE is perfect before you accuse me of fanboyism again), then take the effort to put your ideas across in a way that is constructive, not insulting. Because if you insult them you are pretty much 100% guaranteed they will ignore you.
Jakus Cemendur Caldari The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.12.23 14:06:00 - [96] Originally by: Corey Grim This thread needs more fact and less insulting CCP. Long and detailed post This is what i'm getting at people. This is the kind of post that is useful, not one that flames devs.
Hertford Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.23 14:13:00 - [97] Originally by: Drykor People saying that dictors were faster than inty's should read this please: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=652223&page=2#55 I don't know why people keep bringing up that point, it's nonsense and I would expect more intelligent replies from some people. Quoting this, because some people obviously still need to read that post.
Ephemeron Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.12.23 14:21:00 - [98] I also hope that CCP learned something from the SWG NGE disaster
Jenna Shame	Posted - 2007.12.23 14:23:00 - [99] I have three alts all training minmatar since the only FOTM left is speed and there is NO reason to train any other race for pvp. Thats broken, but take a look at what the very successful roaming gangs look like.
Madelchai Gallente Stimulus	Posted - 2007.12.23 14:23:00 - [100] Apparently Zulu would like to see all Interdictor pilots lose their head full of implants every time they bubble something. ------ Revolution. The only solution.
Benedic The Aftermath	Posted - 2007.12.23 14:36:00 - [101] Everyone should cry about devs in alliances. Then everyone should cry when devs make stupid decisions based on not being in alliances. Oh wait...
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2007.12.23 14:41:00 - [102] Well if I wanted to get the devs to listen to me, personal attacks coupled with fervent rage would be the first thing to come to mind! ---------------- Tarminic - 30 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.76.2
Richard Phallus	Posted - 2007.12.23 16:20:00 - [103] /Signed, it'd be nice for zulupark to sound like a player once. Or at least pay him to pretend he knows anything about the game other than the codebase.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.12.23 16:25:00 - [104] Originally by: Richard Phallus /Signed, it'd be nice for zulupark to sound like a player once. Or at least pay him to pretend he knows anything about the game other than the codebase. give him beer and discuss your ideas with him in the time it takes for him to finish them Trashed sig, Shark was here
Richard Phallus	Posted - 2007.12.23 16:29:00 - [105] Originally by: SiJira Originally by: Richard Phallus /Signed, it'd be nice for zulupark to sound like a player once. Or at least pay him to pretend he knows anything about the game other than the codebase. give him beer and discuss your ideas with him in the time it takes for him to finish them This is the most brilliant idea to hit a web forum this week, unfortunately sea conditions wouldn't be very nice this time of year and I imagine my small outboard fishing boat would be lost on the way to Iceland Perhaps I'll have to attend fan fest next year
Lazuran Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation	Posted - 2007.12.23 16:39:00 - [106] Originally by: Jakus Cemendur Insulting devs, i've got to admit it's a novel way to try and get the devs to listen to you since you know poeople don't like being insulted. If this was real life and you walked into someones business and started insulting them you'd get chucked out. No, nowdays you'd get tasered. Quote: Seriously people, if you want to get CCP to listen to you, insulting them is never a good idea. You must have missed all the intelligent, calmly written posts that people have been writing over the years with 0 results. "...been designed for one purpose and one purpose only. Imagine a handful of repair drones pouring from the carebear's mouth. Now imagine they have um, nothing." -Unknown Hel redesigner (2007)
Treelox Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party	Posted - 2007.12.23 16:43:00 - [107] /signed Zulupark, seems to make statements all the time that seem to show the basic lack of knowledge of how things work in the game. While his predecessors may have made changes to the game that I wasnt happy about on a personal level in the past, at least when they wrote or spoke about eve it sounded like they were playing the same game that I do. --
Dorisane	Posted - 2007.12.23 16:46:00 - [108] Originally by: Talos Darkhart Originally by: Dorisane Originally by: Pitt Bull Originally by: Rells If the person in question doesn't have a tactical brain please don't let them anywhere near the code. This game is the most deep, tactically intensive game on the market and thoughts and musings like this will RUIN it into a blob gank and tank fest. Wow, you're clueless. You think pressing F1-F8 at an optimal range is a tactical game? Its a freakin' MMO for chists' sakes. You should try a different game, like an FPS or RTS. ^^ indeed. Beyond fitting the ship, there's about squatt tactical about eve. Maybe the odd warp here or trap laid down there, but thats about it. Alot of the precieved "tactical" aspect of eve is pretty shallow. Erm if you think that then thats why you die alot take rells class then come back when you know how the game works. then please enlighten me as to where the tactical element of eve comes into play, because i sure as hell dont see it. its just a numbers game, not really tactics. maybe black ops will change that, but i'm not holding my breath
Lazuran Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation	Posted - 2007.12.23 16:46:00 - [109] Originally by: N'irrti Originally by: Estephania Originally by: N'irrti There is no god status. The peeps owning those beasts earned them by working hard for them, it takes ***loads of skills and isk to get to the point. Sorry for a litle derailment, but when you say work hard, you mean in Eve, or in RL to pay a little bit extra for Eve? Granted you are able to buy those ships by selling gtc. But if you do, you lack the experience and the skills to fly it to the max. Nonsense... Grinding ISK doesn't make you an experienced PVP pilot. GTC=>ISK transfers have nothing to do with the player's experience, just with laziness in or out of game. "...been designed for one purpose and one purpose only. Imagine a handful of repair drones pouring from the carebear's mouth. Now imagine they have um, nothing." -Unknown Hel redesigner (2007)*
Lazuran Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation	Posted - 2007.12.23 16:48:00 - [110] Originally by: Tarminic Well if I wanted to get the devs to listen to me, personal attacks coupled with fervent rage would be the first thing to come to mind! Perhaps it would be the third or fourth thing ... "...been designed for one purpose and one purpose only. Imagine a handful of repair drones pouring from the carebear's mouth. Now imagine they have um, nothing." -Unknown Hel redesigner (2007)
Jakus Cemendur Caldari The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.12.23 16:51:00 - [111] Originally by: Lazuran You must have missed all the intelligent, calmly written posts that people have been writing over the years with 0 results. No i've seen them, doesn't mean that it's an excuse to suddenly go flaming the devs in a way that is 100% certain to be ignored, instead of a way that might be listened to, even if some threads which really deserved a dev answer didn't get posted in.
Killa Bee Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.12.23 16:53:00 - [112] Want to nerf speed ..... why not follow the heat principle, excessive speeds creates heat / friction / space dust damage or what ever you want to name it and that means either shield / armor / structure damage. So for instance a Dictor flying at 5 Km/s isn't an issue but as soon as he hits 7.5 or 10 km/s he takes damage, the faster he goes the more damage he takes. Sure you can fit a shield or armor rep and keep that running while flying at insane speeds but it will eat cap and no cap is no speed. The max speed (without taking damage) of ships should go up with gang bonuses but not for pirate implants.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.23 16:54:00 - [113] Zulupark, please nerf the stupidity in this thread, it needs a heavy nerf bat though leave agony unleashed alone, we need SOME morons around here for comedy Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
Estephania Independent Political Analysts	Posted - 2007.12.23 16:54:00 - [114] Originally by: Lazuran Nonsense... Grinding ISK doesn't make you an experienced PVP pilot. GTC=>ISK transfers have nothing to do with the player's experience, just with laziness in or out of game. Every time ISK and metagaming in some form are mentioned the argument of clueless n00bs buying faction ships is used. Like veterans who know how to put gear to a good use never metagame their way to billions.
Lazuran Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation	Posted - 2007.12.23 16:56:00 - [115] Originally by: Jakus Cemendur Originally by: Lazuran You must have missed all the intelligent, calmly written posts that people have been writing over the years with 0 results. No i've seen them, doesn't mean that it's an excuse to suddenly go flaming the devs in a way that is 100% certain to be ignored, instead of a way that might be listened to, even if some threads which really deserved a dev answer didn't get posted in. The long thread about the original Carrier nerf proved that excessive flaming is the only way to get them to pay attention at all and perhaps listen. It's sad, but that's how it is. If you think otherwise, perhaps you haven't been around for long enough to see all the past attempts... "...been designed for one purpose and one purpose only. Imagine a handful of repair drones pouring from the carebear's mouth. Now imagine they have um, nothing." -Unknown Hel redesigner (2007)
Stogee Gods of War	Posted - 2007.12.23 17:02:00 - [116] /signed Been saying for ages CCP have lost the plot.
Jakus Cemendur Caldari The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.12.23 17:03:00 - [117] Originally by: Lazuran The long thread about the original Carrier nerf proved that excessive flaming is the only way to get them to pay attention at all and perhaps listen. It's sad, but that's how it is. If you think otherwise, perhaps you haven't been around for long enough to see all the past attempts... I've not been around for long, but i've been around in other game forums and watched as devs become less and less active as they get flamed more and more, it might have some effect at first as devs try to calm the players down, but no one wants to deal with the level of abuse that's hurled at CCP on a daily basis on this forum. It's more likely to make them ignore the players, not listen to them.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.23 17:05:00 - [118] Save your breath Jakus, no one in authority is going to take this thread seriously, the only people whining in it are the ones that only come to the forums to whine The usual suspects are just kept around to feed me, not to be taken seriously Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
Todeskuh Inter Stellar Mining Syndicate Ethereal Spectrum Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.23 17:07:00 - [119] /signed
Victor Ivanov Minmatar The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.23 17:08:00 - [120] I for one endorse the stacking nerf of fast ships. It's not like minmatar aren't completely useless in both tanking, damaging and anything else, so taking away their speed should pretty much put them in line with amarr. Who are getting a boost soon. But that's besides the point. But yes, brilliant idea. All those vagabonds zooming around with frigate sized dps really need to be countered to prevent game instability. ----------------------

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