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Agent Li
Caldari Galactic Defence Consortium BLACKHAWK FEDERATION
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Posted - 2007.12.27 17:36:00 -
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Say a group of people join on a specific date.
Let's follow them through their evolution in gaming, shall we?
Week 1: Separate the men from the boys (the boys leave to play WoW)
Week 2: Separate the men from the fools (the fools leave to play WoW)
Week 3: The men stay and play Eve forever
Before you jump all over me, I include the die hard women in the "men" group in Week 3.
I think you get a much better caliber of player over time in Eve. ------------------
Please note: No Windows System files were harmed during the creation or deployment of this patch. |

Elienee
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Posted - 2007.12.27 17:37:00 -
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Only smart players manange to survive EVE. Yeah you heared me, people who are too stupid to read, to stupid to adapt and want everything served on a silver plattern by their mom, does not belong here. I will repeat myself again, for those who only read every second sentence, in a vain hope they can catch my trolling. ONLY REAL LIFE SMART PLAYERS SURVIVE EVE! Those who cant handle it, go play WoW instead... |

Zoon Muidac
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.27 17:57:00 -
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too many people on ther server anyway, it was fine when there where 8k,
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techzer0
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2007.12.27 18:02:00 -
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Edited by: techzer0 on 27/12/2007 18:02:04
Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton did I mention we had several CNRs, can flipped a lot, and pewpewed in lowsec?
oh, and who said new players cant join experienced corps?
as for can baiting, go get "baited" and take the bater out  and anyways if you get baited once too bad for you, if you get baited again your a damned idiot.
Hahah... don't you mean myself and one other guy can flipped a lot? And we baited RAK a bit back in the day when they thought they owned Kusomonmon 
I never flew one of these CNRs you speak of either  ____________________ Hi. I'm not an alt :) |

Josh Causto
Gallente Fatalix Inc. THORN Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.27 18:06:00 -
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Edited by: Josh Causto on 27/12/2007 18:09:34 Hey guess what, no one held my hand when I was a noob flying around in an incursus. Stop crying or quit already. EVE mirrors real life, its harsh, not many people are willing to help you, and people are looking to take advantage of you around every corner. This process is needed to weed out the unfit people.
Originally by: Speed Devil
Originally by: ReePeR McAllem Everytime you fit anything other than a laser on our ships, babies die.
and when ya fit lasers on your ships nothing dies
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Voidson
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Posted - 2007.12.27 18:23:00 -
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As a genuine "NEW" eve player. I have to say, there are still folks out there that haven't found eve and like "Hardcore" style MMO's. (Please see Neocron)
I played Wow for 3 years.. ugh... bland and tasteless... Like a 3 year single player game with no risk.
I like eve alot and I hope that it's "edgieness" isn't eatten by Wow brats... cause that would truly be sad.
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Dawn Rider
Minmatar Fade To Black
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Posted - 2007.12.27 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn EVE is in the early stages of death; that is, rapid growth.
so true imo this comment 
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Alowishus
Shadow Company FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2007.12.27 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: kilina eve will never grow and will die out very soon i think. because the new players don't get a chance to do anything and they mostly don't stay with this game.
I remember back in the early days, when 6000 at peak time was the norm, people said the same stuff. Now they all look like whining idiots. You're no different. History already proves you wrong. Eve is not a game for whiners. The funny thing is that whiners don't realize they're whiners and that they're the minority. That's what makes them whiners.
Can I have your stuff?
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Dron Yenko
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.12.27 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Baaldor
Originally by: kilina Edited by: kilina on 27/12/2007 13:04:03 words
Ok I'll bite.
1-At one point and time peak log was about 4 to 5000 on a weekend. Its up to 40k+ now?
2-I started at 100k to 200k skill points. Noobs start out now at 800k+?!!And some of these guys are getting advanced learning skills and within 15 minutes of specialized weapons skills.
3-We used to have to work very hard to survive. I.E. BM gates, stations, so on and so on. We had to actually use or wits. Now you have an "easy button" of sorts.
4- There is more tech items for players now than there has ever been. And most noobs can get right into them. So their chance for survival has greatly increased.
Players are not entitled a damn thing in this game. The only thing you are entitled to is to log on after you pay you sub. After that you are on your own.
So true, just to add something: Does anyone remember how much a set of instas were selling for? 20-50 mil per region? Noobs couldn't afford that and were doomed in slowboating it 15km to the gate in lowsec. I remember BM'ing pipeline into 0.0 as a noob. Talk about going suicidal. Now you have WTZ. And ppl still whine about gatecamps.
Wardecs bother you? Get a fleet of cruisers and retaliate. Problem is not that you lack SP to PVP. You lack leadership to organize and balls to fight back. That's all.
Originally by: Niklo Game to become is more and more similar to prison for not aggressive people.
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2007.12.27 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: xenoin Edited by: xenoin on 27/12/2007 16:41:25 kilina... your posts stink of F41L, even more than mine
When a RAK member says this, you know you should stop posting 
Rifters!
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Tha Pusher
III ELEMENTS VENOM Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.27 20:14:00 -
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This game aint goin anywhere anytime soon. while its true that many new players dont stay, its the same way with all mmorpg's. After i left coh/cov i tried galaxies and WoW, and didnt even make it until the end of my trial b4 i left cuz they sucked so bad. but Eve, i was hooked right away.
The ones like the OP who dont like it are the ones you WANT to leave, they dont really belong in this type of game.
EVE!! It's like a party in your mouth, and everyone's throwing up |

Xzar Fyrarr
Minmatar State War Academy Glory
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Posted - 2007.12.27 20:23:00 -
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If all this were true... We would be WoW gone spaceage. Points--> New players dont -HAVE- to join a player corp. New players -CAN- ask questions, but osme choose not to, which isn't our fault. New players are NOT always wardeced. There is a way to avoid wardec, if they do get wardec, they just choose the choice of not avoiding it.
"Noob Corps" can not be wardeced... State War Acadmy.... Federal Navy Academy,ect ,ect, are the only "noob" corps I know of... unless all of a sudden NPC corps are subject to wardecs...
CCP does not need to bring a feature to stop corps from being wardecced. This is not Hello Kitty online where everone will be nice to each other 23/7 carrying the word "Please Do Not Violence Me" on there ships...
And lastly have you even looked at all the players less than 2months old? There are alot more than you think who stay in this game for all the reasons this game is NOT WoW.
The thing that makes this game so much different from other games is it has, , consequences. And is proally more rewarding too
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy
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Posted - 2007.12.27 20:29:00 -
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Funny, seems to me the playerbase is growing... oh well, guess eve is doomed 
Originally by: Tarminic
Okay, that's it. You are on the KOS list, and you better pray that I don't have access to a locater agent. 
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Deus Teragrammaton
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Posted - 2007.12.27 22:59:00 -
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I can understand where these people are coming from though. It takes a special type of gameplayer to like EVE. I liken EVE to Contra. Everyone remembers Contra right? Sadistically hard, but so rewarding once you got it down pat.
I think there are a couple of things that throw off newbie players(I'm a noob, only been playing the game for 2 months) The, in my opinion, ridiculous amount of time it takes to train skills. Even with the learning skills at level 5 and good implants, it can still take you a week plus to train a skill to level 5, which I think should be shortened,at least by 2-3 days but at the same time I understand why it's that long, because EVE is a game that requires an investment of time and effort to be good at.
Yeah, at the beggining you're broke alot, so what? That for me is a draw, cause you gotta claw you're way to the elite ranks, but I can also see why it throws people off, because some people don't like their games to be that much of a grind. I'm able to make 10-15 mil isk just running missions and salvaging from 4 lvl 1 missions at 16 quality. Hell, if I REALLY wanted to, I could make 100 mil isk a day, but don't cause it requires way to much time, atleast with my lowly 2 mil sp, but the option is there, and if you specialize you can do other things to make your gameplay interesting. I think the tutorial is essentially useless, yeah it teaches you the basics, but not really how to enjoy the game, and it's way too long, which I think also ****ess off some noob players
Eve isn't for everyone, but I also think that the community makes it a little more difficult for people to get into the game. People talk about listening to older players for advice, but in my experience, every time a noob has asked a question, be it where to go for some easy isk early in the game, or which skills to train if they want to do something cool(ie be more effective PVP) I'll see maybe one decent response, and 10-15 responses that are derogatory, essentially saying you're a noob, don't bother us, which I think is a put off and rightly so.
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jimmyjam
Wise Guys Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.12.27 23:24:00 -
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Originally by: kilina Edited by: kilina on 27/12/2007 13:04:03 because the new players don't get a chance to do anything and they mostly don't stay with this game.
points:
new players are always being can baited this is pathetic if you ask me every noob system i have been in i see this happening,
also i see older players moaning all the time in these forums about how its an exploit that corps join alliances when they are decked then they leave the alliance to push of the war deck.
this game isnt just for the older players but it is also for the newer players how are new players going to play this game if they are always war decked. stay in an npc corp all there game time and be a lonewolf and be can baited?
noob corps are always being decked by older corps for fun this can only be gotten rid of by joining an allaince or not playing the game for a week if anything, ccp need to bring a feature out to stop corps being war decked all the time eg, the corp that was war decked pays a fee to be immune from war in higher sec systems etc.
otherwise this game will never reach its potential and wont get a large new player base because all the new players leave the game due to this.
only way to avoid this is to join an alliance.
what are your opinions on this?
Since no one eles has said i will go ahead and let you know that you are stupid. |

The Hooch
Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.27 23:32:00 -
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I have been seeing this post for 4 years. Oddly, it ain't happened. My advice to you is to quit now and give your stuff to someone that has a pair.
Concord punishes people, it does not protect them |

1tommo1
Caldari Task Force Zener Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.12.27 23:58:00 -
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Originally by: Dron Yenko
Originally by: Baaldor
Originally by: kilina Edited by: kilina on 27/12/2007 13:04:03 words
Ok I'll bite.
1-At one point and time peak log was about 4 to 5000 on a weekend. Its up to 40k+ now?
2-I started at 100k to 200k skill points. Noobs start out now at 800k+?!!And some of these guys are getting advanced learning skills and within 15 minutes of specialized weapons skills.
3-We used to have to work very hard to survive. I.E. BM gates, stations, so on and so on. We had to actually use or wits. Now you have an "easy button" of sorts.
4- There is more tech items for players now than there has ever been. And most noobs can get right into them. So their chance for survival has greatly increased.
Players are not entitled a damn thing in this game. The only thing you are entitled to is to log on after you pay you sub. After that you are on your own.
So true, just to add something: Does anyone remember how much a set of instas were selling for? 20-50 mil per region? Noobs couldn't afford that and were doomed in slowboating it 15km to the gate in lowsec. I remember BM'ing pipeline into 0.0 as a noob. Talk about going suicidal. Now you have WTZ. And ppl still whine about gatecamps.
Wardecs bother you? Get a fleet of cruisers and retaliate. Problem is not that you lack SP to PVP. You lack leadership to organize and balls to fight back. That's all.
Signed.
Its alot easier to survive in eve than it used to be.
Unless you have an uncanny ability for accidently jumping into high sec when your drunk, like me
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6Bagheera9
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2007.12.27 23:58:00 -
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I don't pick on noobs, there is no sport in it and the loot is crap. I do however offer help and advice to new players looking really learn and explore the game to its fullest. Eve is a healthy and growing game.
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atoninothemighty
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Posted - 2007.12.27 23:59:00 -
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the chances of eve dying out are low the econmy is decently strong a some of the things you listed can be petitioned and of course you dont have to been in the same corp as your buddies to pvp with them and what not
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ProjectSeven
Rulers Of Mankind Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.12.28 01:19:00 -
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will someone link to world of warcraft for the OP?

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Siriyana
Astrum Contract Services Group
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Posted - 2007.12.28 01:30:00 -
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Originally by: kilina Edited by: kilina on 27/12/2007 13:04:03 what are your opinions on this?
My opinions are as follows:
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah *tear*
Uhm, ahem. Sorry about that.
See, when I started the game, we only got a couple hundred thousand SP. We had to grind our way into something decent, and could barely properly fit out a T1 frigate. No warp to zero, you had to learn how to use the scanner, safe spots, learn how to run and hide, and so forth, make instas when it was quiet at night and even then do it while sweating and your hand shaking on the mouse for fear someone would jump in and slaughter you.
My corp was wardec'd several times in its first year of existence by older players looking to grief. Instead of cowering and coming to the forums to whine, we fought back.
So, I guess my opinion really is, grow a pair and learn to adapt. ----- CEO, Astrum Contract Services Group
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy
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Posted - 2007.12.28 01:35:00 -
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I remember those days 
Those were good days, seemed like less people *****ed about everything then
Originally by: Tarminic
Okay, that's it. You are on the KOS list, and you better pray that I don't have access to a locater agent. 
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Siriyana
Astrum Contract Services Group
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Posted - 2007.12.28 01:47:00 -
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Goes to show, the easier and safer you make things, the more people complain about how it's not easy/safe enough.  ----- CEO, Astrum Contract Services Group
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Laura Baretta
Minmatar Cult of the Skulls
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Posted - 2007.12.28 02:32:00 -
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Originally by: Deus Teragrammaton ridiculous amount of time it takes to train skills
I thought like you when I was new ;) Today I think the long skills are so nice and relaxing. You can take a little break from eve while they train to lvl 5. Or you can fully concentrate on other things and not worry about having to switch skills every day.
I find myself almost annoyed when i have to train new skills and have to switch after 50 minutes, then 4 hours and so on.
And it feels so good when you have finally finished another 30 day skill!
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xOm3gAx
Caldari Stain of Mind
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Posted - 2007.12.28 02:52:00 -
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lol if you think eve is harsh now you shoulda been here when i started way back.... 26k sp on roll (on my first character not my current)... cruise missile firing frigates torp firing cruisers (missiles always hit for max dmg back then) 1 missile could insta pop u. a full volley from a frig could kill a cruiser... 4-5k ppl on max and that was alot... high sec gate camps (zombie in yulai anyone?) you really have no idea how simple things are now... oh yeah... 0.0 between all empires and no auto pilot =)
Bottom line is eve is simple now compared to back then.
Originally by: CCP Abraxas Her boyfriend's way hot, too; tall and tanned. And I say this as a very hetero male who doesn't ever dream of the man on cold, dark nights.
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Scoobie Snacks
Path of Light R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.12.28 04:01:00 -
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My first experience in eve was doing some jet can mining and someone stealing my stuff and me dying.
I LOVED IT!
OMG a game where I can jack peoples stuff and fight over it!
hence why I am here still since Jan 1st 2007, my main Alocian and then this toon is my second account.
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Vemille Kechov
OrdoDraconis Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.12.28 06:39:00 -
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Edited by: Vemille Kechov on 28/12/2007 06:40:14 I think I can agree to pretty much everything people said here. I had my ore ganked once, was all "wtfbbqponies!11one" in local, and then sulked away with my tail between my legs. Lesson learned. The first and best thing to learn in EVE is, you will lose ships, and it's no big deal. It adds the fun and thrill that make this game great.
Those days of running back and forth between the belts and the station in Mara trying to get some of that 'awesome kernite,' in a Bantam, were some of the highest adrenaline experiences I've had in EVE. Until quitting industry within a month and getting into 0.0, of course .
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Arekhon
Mutually Assured Distraction
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Posted - 2007.12.28 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Zoon Muidac too many people on ther server anyway, it was fine when there where 8k,
QFT.....
I thought it was neat when it hit 15k......ahh those lag free days.
Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap [BEES] |

General Coochie
The Bastards
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Posted - 2007.12.28 15:36:00 -
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Flames burned OP away  Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes |

Adelorae24
Caldari Highwaymen
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Posted - 2007.12.28 20:45:00 -
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A week to train a skill to level 5 described as ridiculous... I Lol'd. Tighten up your chin strap chief. It gets a lot worse than that. I just finished a 32 day level 5, and there are plenty that would take longer still.
As to the OP... Gameplay in Eve is a function of people being allowed to act as they would in RL. People want what you have, and they'll try to take it. Perhaps they just get a laugh out of beating up the new kid (I know I do). Really though, the greatest part of this game is slipping through the traps laid by other players, or catching them in traps of your own. Toughen up a little and enjoy it.
Alien (1979): "Before we dock, I think we ought to discuss the bonus situation." |
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