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Balooshinakus
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.12.28 22:56:00 -
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A little while ago I read a thread in which CCP said that the macro feature of the g15 is allowed, so I was wondering if those of us who don't want to pay 70 bucks for a g15 are allowed to use programs that mimick the g15? For example, can I use a program that will automatically press f1-f8 when I click the <insert trigger> button? I am not asking if I can use a program to macro mine, I am asking if I can use a program that acts similar to the G15s macro feature, a program that will allow me to press multiple keys with a single keystroke.
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Jimer Lins
Gallente Pod Six Research
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Posted - 2007.12.28 23:01:00 -
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I'm not CCP, so anything I say should be confirmed by maybe filing a petition (you're unlikely to get an answer here).
But I think the general consensus is that as long as a tool or automation on your client is being actively used by you to speed up or make an action you take repeatedly simpler, and you have to trigger that action yourself each time- maybe something like lock, scram, web being bound to a single hotkey- then it's not a problem.
The issue, I believe, is when you have a script or macro that can perform the actions of a player without actually having one at the keyboard. If you're just using a tool to improve your interactive experience, I doubt they'll have trouble with it.
However, you should confirm this by filing a petition and requesting a clarification.
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Richard Phallus
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Posted - 2007.12.28 23:03:00 -
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I don't know, but I've heard that it's the fact that it's an external device that is built for gaming that makes it ok or something where 'macros' aren't()
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Balooshinakus
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.12.28 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Jimer Lins
However, you should confirm this by filing a petition and requesting a clarification.
Thanks, I'll do that.
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Jonny JoJo
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.12.28 23:06:00 -
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I would think having a pencil over f1-f8 is allowed, so with 1 press you activate them all. Therefore a software version of this is not automation - you still have to press the button.
Where macros are problems is where you dont press any buttons and everything is done for you. However, nobody knows what CCP's view on this is (I mean, after all, they have more important thigns to do, such as fix Amarr) so file a pettition and see what the result is.
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Hllaxiu
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.12.28 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: Jonny JoJo I would think having a pencil over f1-f8 is allowed, so with 1 press you activate them all. Therefore a software version of this is not automation - you still have to press the button.
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Ehronn
Caldari R.U.S.E.
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Posted - 2007.12.28 23:21:00 -
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I don't have a G15, but I do have a Nostromo N52 which is similar but doesn't replace the keyboard. Is the use of it legal? Cause if I wanted I could reprogram keystrokes to the nostromo. Not sure if it's legal or not...
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Posted - 2007.12.28 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: Ehronn I don't have a G15, but I do have a Nostromo N52 which is similar but doesn't replace the keyboard. Is the use of it legal? Cause if I wanted I could reprogram keystrokes to the nostromo. Not sure if it's legal or not...
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Xaroth Brook
Minmatar BIG Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.12.28 23:43:00 -
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eve-search a bit around, iirc some GM stated that the G15 G-keys are legal to use as they do not allow unattended activities (aka moving/clicking stuff around to accomedate for macromining/farming/etc).. as long as the program does EXACTLY what the G15 does (allowing one or multiple keypresses to be bound to a single key) it'd be unlikely that they'd 'ban' it (as they'd have to ban the G15 as well) .. however i do advise sending out a petition to the gms to ask for something more concrete than a madman's logic.
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Selene Le'Cotiere
Amarr I-Omniscient-I
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Posted - 2007.12.28 23:49:00 -
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It would be nice also if CCP kept up a list of "legal" gaming aids (such as the G-15). It seems these kinds of threads do pop up from time to time.
Now, about the arrow-key/joystick control... when is that coming? _________
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Alyth
Gallente Dichotomy Total Comfort
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Posted - 2007.12.29 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: Xaroth Brook eve-search a bit around, iirc some GM stated that the G15 G-keys are legal to use as they do not allow unattended activities (aka moving/clicking stuff around to accomedate for macromining/farming/etc).. as long as the program does EXACTLY what the G15 does (allowing one or multiple keypresses to be bound to a single key) it'd be unlikely that they'd 'ban' it (as they'd have to ban the G15 as well) .. however i do advise sending out a petition to the gms to ask for something more concrete than a madman's logic.
This. As long as you don't use the keyboard to exceute unattended activities such as mining, dragging items to the can and then having an alt haul the contents away then it's all good (which to my knowledge you can't). It's when you start using third-party software to simulate keystrokes and mouse clicks/movement that it starts to get iffy.
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Strak Yogorn
Amarr Mind Warpers
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Posted - 2007.12.29 03:51:00 -
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its been stated several times, that as long as your are actively playing the game, pressing keys etc, its ok.
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CrayC
Gallente CrayC Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.29 05:37:00 -
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Any software macro that you activate via your regular keyboard or mouse is a no-go.
Any hardware macro that is built into whatever unit you use, be that G15, N52 or whatever, is allowed as far as I know.
Any macro that is pure software, regardless of what it does, what it acts like, who made it, is a no-go...
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lofty29
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.29 06:56:00 -
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Originally by: Selene Le'Cotiere Now, about the arrow-key/joystick control... when is that coming?
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astowv
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.29 06:58:00 -
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Program is called AutoHotKey if you're looking for a program that simply does what a G15 does (binding F1-F8 to say "Home" for example).
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Cergorach
Amarr The Helix Foundation
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Posted - 2007.12.29 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: CrayC Any software macro that you activate via your regular keyboard or mouse is a no-go.
Any hardware macro that is built into whatever unit you use, be that G15, N52 or whatever, is allowed as far as I know.
Any macro that is pure software, regardless of what it does, what it acts like, who made it, is a no-go...
What do you think the G15 does? Magic? It also runs software. You have to install the Logitech Gaming Software (2.02 is a 10.6MB download).
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari SIVAKASI
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Posted - 2007.12.29 10:49:00 -
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Why not ask Eve to give us a fire all button or is it that hard to program in? I am not a software developer so I don't know. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar Vengeance 8 Interceptors
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Posted - 2007.12.29 11:03:00 -
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The G15 isn't a "human replacement"
Sure I can bind my G1 to fire all my guns or whatnot however I still have to press that G1 button.
I can't fly a ship with it, I can't dock, I can't move gear from a can to a cargo bay.
Personaly, I wouldn't called it a Macro keyboard, it's a programable bindable keyboard for more keystrokes.
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Kazuma Saruwatari
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Posted - 2007.12.29 12:16:00 -
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TBF if I were CCP, I wouldnt allow even the G15 for use with EVE Online. They give an advantage (even slightly) to players who own one.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft Total Comfort
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Posted - 2007.12.29 14:18:00 -
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Edited by: Nyphur on 29/12/2007 14:19:15 They can't disallow use of the G15 because they can't detect it and making a rule that you can't enforce at all is a bad idea. However, it sets a dangerous precedent as is evidenced by this thread where someone wants to know if a software version of the G15's functions is allowed. What's next? Someone holding down Ctrl and turning on a mouse autofire to autolock targets with maximum efficiency at a gatecamp? You do get autofire mice, are those allowed? And what if they want to use a software version?
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Riho
Northen Breeze
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Posted - 2007.12.29 14:24:00 -
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what i have heard in the past is that its not illegal to use macros on ur G15 keyboard (have one myself) as you still need to push a button... so what i does f1 to f8 whit one stroke... your still pressing the button to do it.
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Jonny JoJo
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.12.29 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur Edited by: Nyphur on 29/12/2007 14:19:15 They can't disallow use of the G15 because they can't detect it and making a rule that you can't enforce at all is a bad idea. However, it sets a dangerous precedent as is evidenced by this thread where someone wants to know if a software version of the G15's functions is allowed. What's next? Someone holding down Ctrl and turning on a mouse autofire to autolock targets with maximum efficiency at a gatecamp? You do get autofire mice, are those allowed? And what if they want to use a software version?
There is a difference between automation and button pressing. G15 and other software like that are just hotkeys. Pressing home and getting f1-f8 is not a macro in the sense we think about it. It still requires keyboard input manually. CCP really should have a fire all command in the game, but thats another story.
What you are thinking of is automated scripts. That is different from what is being talked about.
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2007.12.29 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Why not ask Eve to give us a fire all button or is it that hard to program in? I am not a software developer so I don't know.
It's preety easy, along with a reload all button, but I guess they don't like it for some reason. At least a 'reload all to X' would be awesome.
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CrayC
Gallente CrayC Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.29 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Cergorach
Originally by: CrayC Any software macro that you activate via your regular keyboard or mouse is a no-go.
Any hardware macro that is built into whatever unit you use, be that G15, N52 or whatever, is allowed as far as I know.
Any macro that is pure software, regardless of what it does, what it acts like, who made it, is a no-go...
What do you think the G15 does? Magic? It also runs software. You have to install the Logitech Gaming Software (2.02 is a 10.6MB download).
Okay, my wording was slightly off. What I meant was that if the unit in use comes with macro functions for gaming, like G15 etc, they are allowed to be used. But any stand-alone macro is not. I know that you have to download software to use the hardware to its fullest, but you still need specific hardware and not just any old keyboard and mouse to use a macro legally in EVE...
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Helen Hunts
Gallente Red Dragon Mining inc Red Dragon Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.29 17:53:00 -
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With your G-15 (or other related hardware/software) effects, keep it to immediate actions like activating all guns/tackle/whatever. Any kind of delay between key-press and effect can be looked on as 'automation' or 'macro-mining/ratting/hauling'.
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