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Grumpy Owly
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Posted - 2012.02.24 21:48:00 -
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Wacktopia wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Which is a relevant stance, though admitting its tactical, maybe not tactical, but then again your proposition of it being a strawman ideal suggested anything other than a sensible interaction or dialouge of individuals trying to improve a game feature of mutual interest. I make no secret of it but I also qualified my position of genuinely wanting to see the best solution to war decs. I asked Kelduum if his proposition was a straw man. The question was not rhetorical. My position is tactical but perhaps not only in the way you might think; The fact that this summer's release is all about War and will probably involve input from the CSM means the two are not mutually exclusive of each other and therefore I see no issue of discussing both under this post. I'm sure Kelduum feels the same about this and you might notice there is one "like" against my straw-man post, which happens to be from Kelduum. It goes without saying that I respect Kelduum's creation of EVE University and I accept he probably knows a lot about this game that I personally do not. This is not some personal attack. However, I know a lot about wars and do not agree with his idea and because it is tied to his election campaign because of the focus this year on "Inferno" I feel obliged to make the criticisms I have. I believe it may be the case now that Kel is shedding the skin of his war dec idea in the interest of his election campaign. Makes sense given the circumstances, however, I will remind you that it was him predominantly that landed us in the position of the "dec shield". I worry that these examples are how his thinking is in general in relation to EVE. Perhaps Kelduum is too close to EVE University to be the right candidate for the community as a whole. Grumpy Owly wrote:However seeing that you have simply chopped out the other relevant points of my post regarding player/candidate communications I'll make it more apparent. I have been waiting for Alekseyev Karrde to answer about the topic I'm specifically interested in, that of Bounty Hunting. At yet despite sending a reminder in addition to my original request he seems to have completely ignored them, so I'm assuming he doesn't even want to enter into any dialouge about it, what does that say about your own candidate? I chopped out the parts which were not relevant to me. I have also clarified my position in this post. Your other communications are mainly mud-flinging or not directed at myself.
I'm glad to see at least you are now more focussed on talking about the idea.
Your opinion of relevance to the other questions I asked, which you simply ignored as part of a dialouge we were having about it were very much leveled at the topic in hand. Never the less I will put it down to avoidance of the issues.
As to the "mud flinging", all I see is your candidate fabricating deliberate lies about my character. He suggests I made no attempt to ask for details regarding the bounty hunting topic, for which if you examine his campaign thread there in fact two polite and formal requests to the subject prior to his blog entry on the subject. Where he accuses me of being some kind of troll as a result feels the need to go out of his way to graciate my lack of communication. Bounty Hunting for CSM 7
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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
363
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Posted - 2012.02.25 00:09:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:
I'm glad to see at least you are now more focussed on talking about the idea.
Your opinion of relevance to the other questions I asked, which you simply ignored as part of a dialouge we were having about it were very much leveled at the topic in hand. Never the less I will put it down to avoidance of the issues.
As to the "mud flinging", all I see is your candidate fabricating lies about my character. He suggests I made no attempt to ask for details regarding the bounty hunting topic, for which if you examine his campaign thread there in fact two polite and formal requests to the subject prior to his blog entry on the subject. Where he accuses me of being some kind of troll, and as a result feels the need to go out of his way to graciate my supposed lack of communication.
You're a 3 month old NPC char who's been going from thread to thread asking people to read your opinion on a specific feature that probably will not come up till 2013. At least on my thread, you didn't ask me a question: you posted a link and told me to read it. That's alt troll behavior. If you'd like to be treated with more tact by CSM candidates, dont play to the stereotype.
So back to war decs... www.noirmercs.com Now Recruiting #VoteAlek for CSM7-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=67574&find=unread |
Grumpy Owly
266
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Posted - 2012.02.25 02:07:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:
I'm glad to see at least you are now more focussed on talking about the idea.
Your opinion of relevance to the other questions I asked, which you simply ignored as part of a dialouge we were having about it were very much leveled at the topic in hand. Never the less I will put it down to avoidance of the issues.
As to the "mud flinging", all I see is your candidate fabricating lies about my character. He suggests I made no attempt to ask for details regarding the bounty hunting topic, for which if you examine his campaign thread there in fact two polite and formal requests to the subject prior to his blog entry on the subject. Where he accuses me of being some kind of troll, and as a result feels the need to go out of his way to graciate my supposed lack of communication.
You're a 3 month old NPC char who's been going from thread to thread asking people to read your opinion on a specific feature that probably will not come up till 2013. At least on my thread, you didn't ask me a question: you posted a link and told me to read it. That's alt troll behavior. If you'd like to be treated with more tact by CSM candidates, dont play to the stereotype. So back to war decs...
I'm sorry that you see a player asking about a game issue to a candidate as trolling. Says a lot about what you really represent.
As such I'm not happy about the lies you have posted on your blog, that I see as a failed attempt at character assasination. And purely as a result of person posting questions in your thread? It makes no sense other than obviously you see the need to attack me personally for some reason. Bounty Hunting for CSM 7
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Grumpy Owly
266
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Posted - 2012.02.25 02:24:00 -
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Alekseyev as a curtesy to Kelduum I have posted our discussion in your thread to talk about it. It is unfair to clutter Kelduum's campign thread up with your shenanigans, imho. Bounty Hunting for CSM 7
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Neve Talie-Ko
EVE University Ivy League
25
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Posted - 2012.02.25 17:14:00 -
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As a new arrival in EvE, I can echo one of the previous posters who stressed Kelduum's expertise with the new player experience. I can respect someone who has a different stance about his or her own personal wants and desires for the game, but the fact may remain that Kelduum is a great choice for those of us who are in the initial months of playing.
Kelduum would be an excellent choice for my interest group. |
Corelin
The Fancy Hats Corporation
0
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Posted - 2012.02.25 19:01:00 -
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Snowflake Tem wrote: I'll give you one example to consider. My corp harbours someone with a weak heart condition. He has already suffered a near fatal heart attack after being ambushed in high sec during a war dec. It took me a long time to convince him to re-subscribe. Do not deny him his right to play this game as peacefully as he chooses or else go to the CSM and have CCP change their product advertisement and include a health warning.
We all know PVP is a thrill. I love it. Some just can't handle it.
PvP is easily avoided
EvE Online is a fundamentally PvP game. The PvP aspects pervade all of it. If your friend is not physically fit to handle it then he probably shouldn't play. Not expecting PvP during a wardec is also not wise. EvE Online PvP is one of the few activities that gets my heart racing and gives me a rush. A lot of that is because of the risks inherent in it. You risk your ship. You don't know what the other side is up to or if your planning has been enough to make victory certain. Devalue PvP and you devalue EvE. |
Snowflake Tem
The Order of Symbolic Measures
30
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Posted - 2012.02.26 07:31:00 -
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Corelin wrote:Snowflake Tem wrote: I'll give you one example to consider. My corp harbours someone with a weak heart condition. He has already suffered a near fatal heart attack after being ambushed in high sec during a war dec. It took me a long time to convince him to re-subscribe. Do not deny him his right to play this game as peacefully as he chooses or else go to the CSM and have CCP change their product advertisement and include a health warning.
We all know PVP is a thrill. I love it. Some just can't handle it.
PvP is easily avoidedEvE Online is a fundamentally PvP game. The PvP aspects pervade all of it. If your friend is not physically fit to handle it then he probably shouldn't play. Not expecting PvP during a wardec is also not wise. EvE Online PvP is one of the few activities that gets my heart racing and gives me a rush. A lot of that is because of the risks inherent in it. You risk your ship. You don't know what the other side is up to or if your planning has been enough to make victory certain. Devalue PvP and you devalue EvE.
You're right. PvP is vital to this game. I wouldn't play it if I could not get my adrenalin kick here, I'd be out doing something dangerous with a motorbike like my friend did. I do not in any way want to de-value EVE. I want to preserve it's edge. But, Ignoring an important issue can not be the way to do it. |
Mocam
EVE University Ivy League
114
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Posted - 2012.02.26 12:30:00 -
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Snowflake Tem wrote:Wacktopia wrote:Snowflake Tem wrote:If all a guy can do is say, hey look I've got a ton of people tapping me on the shoulder saying there is a problem. Should he be excluded for not having a pat answer to the problem? How many Goons will vote for Mittens because they are Goons over anything else? I don't know. Perhaps that is dangerous too. I don't know? Do you? It might make more sense for candidates with less of a political agenda to be involved? I don't. I agree. The problem in this case is that in this and every other CSM the Issues can not and have not been clearly defined They really can't be at this level. So people with even the remotest interest have to trawl through several walls of text looking for a thought process that is similar to their own. I'll say this for the Goons tho. They had the courtesy and the courage to announce their Ice campaign before they launched it. That makes them a better breed than most. The CSM process is's messy and it's inefficient. So it the rest of life. BUT, at least a candidate like Kelduum can got to the CSM and say hey guys, you got big computers and genius mathematicians in your employ. can you spend some time digging through your database to see how many alliance leaders are exploiting the relative safety of high-sec for isk at little risk just so we can get the rapier claws of noir out of our back. if they do that and have to admit to you that there is a problem then Kelduum has won a victory for you.
The CSM process is fairly easy to understand. Those involved in the community will vote for representatives: The CSM. The CSM itself are "lobbyists" - they take all the various issues and concerns that the community puts forth and present them to CCP for review -- trying to convince CCP to follow through on any/every one of those community supported suggestions.
They really don't do much more than pick the ones that they will present. It's rare that they can "invent new ones", just pick from what's been put forth or what CCP brings to the table while they are members.
The CSM position is a political one - it has no actual authority nor ability to do anything. They can simply try to convince CCP's internal contacts that following through on community suggestions is a good thing to do.
As such, they have "no power" but they do have influence -- to the degree that those assigned to communicate with them from within CCP have actual power or influence to help make decisions. It is a derived position of authority -- no actual authorities involved but "power perceived is power achieved" - they do have a prominent position as representatives of the community -- *IF* backed by the bulk of the community *AND* recognized as such by CCP.
The "special interests" that put them there, aren't so special.
They simply are the people who get involved in the process by electing CSM members who will follow through on THEIR ideas of what CCP should have presented to it. If more players are involved, these special interests wouldn't have as much sway so the LACK of involvement is what allows them more say than they might otherwise have.
"Intelligence" involved in such selection of CSM should look at the breadth of issues/understanding by CSM but beyond that - they should look at who has the ability to communicate with CCP in a fashion that will get CCP listening.
They also need to be able to leverage the community by garnering support when CCP doesn't listen by communicating with us so we can help them better represent the community as a whole. (not violating NDA's but there are a variety of ways of saying things, discussing things, that won't breach an NDA but gets the idea across...)
That out of the way - let's look at our LAST CSM a bit.
From the "riots" they went off to a summit. They came back talking about how everything was OK and CCP would address things. In the mean time CCP "stuck to their guns" with comparisons of adding MT to PLEX being added to EVE and such.
While the CSM was backing their claims of "it's OK" - CCP came out with a plan for making nullsec easier to live in, more profitable with less effort, etc... The CSM's reaction was "FINALLY a good vision of null!!!!" - feeding their special interests with high-praise for CCP's "vision".
In the mean time, many vets kept saying "screw this crap" and canceling accounts. All the while the CSM is telling us that we are over reacting and it'll be fine in an attempt to calm the community.
A month or so of this and CCP *FINALLY* comes out with an apology and changes their dev focus. New ships, fixes, balances, etc... Things start turning around and the community starts to reconsider the annoyance at CCP with a "wait and see" attitude about their proposed changes.
Look at the time-line. Go dig up those blogs and posts and threads... /boggle at the opinions of how 'great' this CSM has done.
What we did see was this CSM come out claiming that this new direction (which has zip spank to do with their "nullsec improvements" and everything to do with fixing other parts of the game...) and says "see what we did for you?"
Sorry - either they were bribed to be part of CCP's PR group's effort at that summit or were so gullible as to buy into what CCP said but, either way, they sure as hell don't garner a hell of a lot of good feelings from me.
They didn't get ideas across of value to the community as a whole and when real changes came about, they try to hop the good-will gravy train.
As such - I think some adjusting to a better representation is in order. Either this batch can be bribed or are very gullible and neither is what I'd like "representing the community". We need people to represent the games interest but with some back-bone and guts. |
Snowflake Tem
The Order of Symbolic Measures
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Posted - 2012.02.26 13:36:00 -
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To play devils advocate a bit - isn't it Noir's and even Goons argument that PvP should not be easily avoided as it is THE ONLY way to curb the economic growth of an adversary.
At the moment having a strong industrial base in High-Sec is not only sound strategy it is vital.
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Snowflake Tem
The Order of Symbolic Measures
30
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Posted - 2012.02.26 13:53:00 -
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Mocam wrote:As such - I think some adjusting to a better representation is in order. Either this batch can be bribed or are very gullible and neither is what I'd like "representing the community". We need people to represent the games interest but with some back-bone and guts.
The Mittani is very much a political animal but suggesting he was bought off by CCP is a bit of a mind wrench. Selenee has too much invested not to pursue his particular agenda and Trebor is an honest to gods enabler and far too straight laced to be that two-faced. I've not got a perspective on the others.
BUT, one of the reasons I'm supporting Kelduum is that the whole incarna development had been scuppered (Not so much now it seems from a recent dev-blog). Still, that would have been a nice place to put my ailing friend if it had any meaningful game play and the sooner the better.
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Kalot Sakaar
CragCO
19
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Posted - 2012.02.26 17:10:00 -
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Kelduum,
How do you stand and what are your ideas on the following (I thing the wardec thing has been fully beaten to death now).
1. Ship balancing? In particular Gallente ships but also the many other hulls that see hardly any use. Drone boats in particular to me seem to have languished. There has been lots of talk about nerfing things, such as ECM drones which are the only useful ewar drone out there. (not a supporter of this idea personally). ECM in general has been hinted at being nerfed. Seems like instead of nerfing things that work well, they should bring other flawed systems into line. Plenty of ways at defeating/mitigating ECM such as ECCM and info command boosts. The fact that people don't use them is their problem. But I digress. Opinions on all this are varied but I would very much like to hear you thoughts.
2. Command ships/T3's and their bonuses. A lot of talk about making them only apply on grid. Again, I think this is foolish for many reasons as it would give the defender huge advantage, would negate many tactics to catch kiters (which has become increasingly difficult) and the whole ability to grid fu I think makes it unwise. So would like to see where you stand on this. Perhaps just removing their ability to be activated in a POS would make the whiners sufficiently happy?
Thanks in advance.
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Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
1715
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Posted - 2012.02.26 18:51:00 -
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Snowflake Tem wrote:Trebor is an honest to gods enabler and far too straight laced to be that two-faced. That's a horrible thing to say about a fellow EVE player, shame on you!
The truth is, like everyone else, I have my price. It's just that it's at least an order of magnitude higher than anyone is willing to pay (cheap bastards) Re-Elect Trebor to the CSM - because I have not yet plumbed the depths of my inherent masochism!
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Kelduum Revaan
EVE University Ivy League
1713
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Posted - 2012.02.26 19:41:00 -
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Kalot Sakaar wrote:1. Ship balancing? In particular Gallente ships but also the many other hulls that see hardly any use. Drone boats in particular to me seem to have languished... The recent hybrid fix has brought a lot of the Gallente stuff more in-line with other other races, but due to their fragility, time to get into range and engage and so on, drones are not significantly used in PvP, which of course affects Gallente the most.
The clearest fix to this would be to improve the drone interface, for example making them work like a 'normal' module, and allowing a single hotkey to launch and have drones engage could be one way of doing this. The current system is horrible, and requires a rewrite as soon as possible (why does the window disappear when you launch all your drones? Why does it keep collapsing the sections? agh!).
Kalot Sakaar wrote:There has been lots of talk about nerfing things, such as ECM drones which are the only useful ewar drone out there... The thing to remember about EVE is that its a massive game of 'rock paper scissors' (or maybe 'rock paper scissors lizard spock'), so there should always be one or more counters to everything in PvP, in that specific case, Smartbombs and ECCM. Possibly an update to Smartbombs (so they are actually smart)? I certainly don't support nerfing things which work OK on their own when they don't have an effective counter.
Kalot Sakaar wrote:2. Command ships/T3's and their bonuses. A lot of talk about making them only apply on grid. Again, I think this is foolish for many reasons as it would give the defender huge advantage, would negate many tactics to catch kiters (which has become increasingly difficult) and the whole ability to grid fu I think makes it unwise. So would like to see where you stand on this. Perhaps just removing their ability to be activated in a POS would make the whiners sufficiently happy? Command ships are currently a mess, and have been for some time. Giving then relevant bonuses, and allowing them to compete with the Tier 2 battlecruisers should help a fair bit.
Having the bonuses only apply to those ships on-grid makes some sense, but has the potential problems you mention - possible fixes could be only applying when the rest of the squad, more than half of the fleet, or something similar are present. This all depends on what is possible to implement cleanly however, but I would agree that combat related fleet bonus mods should probably not work while inside a POS shield. Kelduum Revaan CEO, EVE University
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Kelduum Revaan
EVE University Ivy League
1713
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Posted - 2012.02.26 19:52:00 -
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Going back to this briefly, as it needs an answer...
Wacktopia wrote:Kelduum Revaan wrote:As mentioned, the 'structure-based' Wardec proposal is a proposal, but people keep missing this word somehow, so I keep having to mention it...
It's not a platform, something I would push above everything else, or anything other than a suggestion posted for feedback. So are you saying that your proposal is essentially a straw man? No, its certainly not a straw man - the core of it was to come up with something significantly 'out of the box' related to wardecs, which fixed a specific set of problems without being too overpowered. As mentioned, it was posted seeking feedback.
Wacktopia wrote:Do you believe in your proposal still or do you agree it is not the right solution? It's not the right solution for wars as proposed, but I do feel a 'portable nullsec bubble' or something similar could have its uses at some point. Kelduum Revaan CEO, EVE University
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Enik Gonz
Worms Coalition
4
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Posted - 2012.02.26 20:08:00 -
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I've sent a few questions to your formspring account, and i really liked your answer. We seem to have, a somewhat similar look on the game. You got my support, and i'll try my best to get my friends to vote for you aswell. |
Kalot Sakaar
CragCO
20
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Posted - 2012.02.27 00:13:00 -
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Thanks for responding.
Just a few more two cents on command bonuses. I think if it goes to on grid, you'll see them pretty much disappear as they'll just be too hard to use. What if the FC is the scout and is off grid doing his thing? Then bonuses can't get passed. One SC gets killed and gets his pod out of the fight, but then all bonuses stop going down now to the rest of the squad? Etc etc. It will pretty much just get too hard and not worthwhile and people will just stop bothering with them.
Also, fights happen in a system on more than one grid. If we are camping several gates or trying to catch someone the guy pushing interdiction maneuvers can't be every where at once. If we are trying to bait someone and trying to get them to engage I can't exactly warp in and boost the bait because the the target will just get spooked and warp away. Even worse are these ridiculously fast BC's that even with perfect punts/warp in's are almost impossible to catch. By the time you land and come out of warp, target they are well out of scram/web range. The only meager, and still very meager chance, is to push interdiction maneuvers. If you have to wait for me to also land on grid, and the BC/command ships are much slower than inty's in warp, the target is gone.
The bottom line is that there is only one fair way to push command bonuses, in system. Anything else will only more vanilla the game in the more kiting fleets of nano-drakes/canes/tornado's etc. The people who whine about off grid boosting just need to scan him down and warp in on him. If he warps, great job, his boosts are off. And nothing prevents the other side from bringing in all their boosts. Further on grid only will only encourage more blobbing as you'll want to max boost as many ships as possible. Breaking up into squads in small hunting packs will be far less effective. |
Kelduum Revaan
EVE University Ivy League
1716
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Posted - 2012.02.27 02:09:00 -
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Kalot Sakaar wrote:...The bottom line is that there is only one fair way to push command bonuses, in system... I agree, this may well be the case.
Somewhat related, but not limited to Command Ships is that barring the 'off grid' and 'Inside a POS' issues, neutral command ship/gank link alts in hisec may still be an issue.
It's not apparently as prevalent, and harder to confirm either way, but this will hopefully be something that gets dealt with along with neutral RR and similar with the CrimeWatch rewrite. Kelduum Revaan CEO, EVE University
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Snowflake Tem
The Order of Symbolic Measures
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Posted - 2012.02.27 18:17:00 -
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Trebor Daehdoow wrote: That's a horrible thing to say about a fellow EVE player, shame on you!
Yeah well, y'know - if you're not offending someone in the EVE universe you're not playing right.
My last vote went to you at Mynxee's recommendation. I consider it well spent. |
Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
1730
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Posted - 2012.02.27 18:43:00 -
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Snowflake Tem wrote:Trebor Daehdoow wrote: That's a horrible thing to say about a fellow EVE player, shame on you!
Yeah well, y'know - if you're not offending someone in the EVE universe you're not playing right. My last vote went to you at Mynxee's recommendation. I consider it well spent. Well, say so in my thread instead of giving Kelduum free bumps!
Damn! Now you've got me doing it! Re-Elect Trebor to the CSM - because I have not yet plumbed the depths of my inherent masochism!
My CSM Blog |
Snowflake Tem
The Order of Symbolic Measures
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Posted - 2012.02.27 19:42:00 -
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Trebor Daehdoow wrote:Well, say so in my thread instead of giving Kelduum free bumps! Damn! Now you've got me doing it!
Aw com'on T' you're a shoe-in, everybody knows it. -- just y'know, make sure everybody knows it.
But, if you want to make a point and shake things up a little you run with a guy with a strong block vote, who has not sat on council before and has at least some sympathy for the clueless nubs in high-sec.
Even if 'K' does not get in, (although I'm confident he will) the "Help me I'm from High-Sec" argument has been heard and will stick with you guys in council.
Also, make CCP make incarna meaningful. It is important to me if no-one else. |
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Kelduum Revaan
EVE University Ivy League
1719
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Posted - 2012.02.27 23:01:00 -
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Anyway, bumps aside (thanks guys), I was on the third of the Lost In Eve CSM debate podcasts, along with fellow candidates Alekseyev Karde, Trebor Daehdoow and Leboe, released earlier today.
It should be a good listen, and I make an interesting election promise. Kelduum Revaan CEO, EVE University
Candidate,-áCSM7 |
Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
1731
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Posted - 2012.02.27 23:59:00 -
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Snowflake Tem wrote:[Aw com'on T' you're a shoe-in, everybody knows it. -- just y'know, make sure everybody knows it. I've replied to this in my thread, no more free bumps for Kelduum! Re-Elect Trebor to the CSM - because I have not yet plumbed the depths of my inherent masochism!
My CSM Blog |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
294
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Posted - 2012.02.28 16:13:00 -
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Trebor Daehdoow wrote: no more free bumps for Kelduum! ooooooops....
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Kelduum Revaan
EVE University Ivy League
1722
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Posted - 2012.02.28 23:47:00 -
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I've collected up all the questions and answers, as well as podcast info and questions from my formspring and posted them here, on my CSM blog:
Kelduum Revaan CEO, EVE University
Candidate,-áCSM7 |
Delici Feelgood
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.02.29 08:24:00 -
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Good luck with the CSM election Kelduum.
With such a weatlh of experience afforded as a result of your EvE Uni position and the encompassing spectrum of material it provides I'm sure you can act as a very useful addition as a key member of the CSM. |
Snowflake Tem
The Order of Symbolic Measures
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Posted - 2012.03.01 13:01:00 -
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YouGÇÖre on the short-list! what would be your Dream Team? |
Poetic Stupidity
Poetic's Abandoned Love Children
0
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Posted - 2012.03.03 01:01:00 -
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Hmmmm, is it bad to support someone just because it'll honk off certain third parties?
Kelduum,
what is your stance on using the 'griefer's communities' own tactics against them?
I think that if what they do isn't in violation of the EULA and rules, then it's fair to do it back to them. They do seem to whimper and cry alot when you do that however.
Also, would you support a member's tab on the corporate information window? One that lists the current membership of a corporation? |
Geertruida Zelle
Quantum Wake
14
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Posted - 2012.03.04 11:12:00 -
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Vote for being nice, vote for the new player experience. Vote Kelduum,
GZ
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Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
302
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Posted - 2012.03.05 01:44:00 -
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/bumpages!
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Resivan
Driftglass Development
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Posted - 2012.03.05 15:09:00 -
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Listening to this weekend's Eve Radio roundtable, I think I've finally got what you're talking about when you say the corp interface. It's not the actual interface (bad as that is), but roles. I have to agree that roles as currently implemented are horrible. We need a lot more granularity available and the names of roles really need to more accurately reflect the powers they grant.
I've already committed my votes elsewhere, but I think you might get more traction if you talk about roles and the need for a rewrite of the whole subsystem instead of going on about the "corp interface." |
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