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Morn Judith
Caldari Incognito Inc
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Posted - 2007.12.31 18:07:00 -
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Does it? I still have it at trained to level 1, the description sounds good, but I've always heard on the forums that it does not work.
Can anyone confirm this?
I don't like my sig.
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Angel DeMorphis
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.12.31 18:18:00 -
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It's been fixed. --
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Argwaan
Caldari Thunder Muffin
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Posted - 2007.12.31 18:54:00 -
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Edited by: Argwaan on 31/12/2007 18:54:27
Originally by: Morn Judith the description sounds good
really?
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Angel DeMorphis
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.12.31 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Argwaan Edited by: Argwaan on 31/12/2007 18:54:27
Originally by: Morn Judith the description sounds good
really?
Yes, if you're a shield tanker. :D
Just no point in the Lvl 5, really, unless as a prereq. That last 5% isn't worth the SP. --
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Lord Gendor
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.31 20:41:00 -
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It's quite worth it to take it to IV for tech II hardeners also. For the actual usefulness of the skill, its slightly useful, if I didn't need it for tech II hardeners I would probably only have it trained to 2, usually by time your shields get low enough for the skill to be used your gonna die anyways (assuming shield tank).
And if your a armor tanker then the skill wont really make any difference at all, other than the fact your armor will start absorbing some damage ever so slightly sooner than you would otherwise.
No point taking it bond IV, unless you need a capital shield tank.
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Shaemell Buttleson
Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny
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Posted - 2008.01.01 04:22:00 -
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Originally by: Argwaan Edited by: Argwaan on 31/12/2007 18:54:27
Originally by: Morn Judith the description sounds good
really?
Yep!
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Kerfira
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Posted - 2008.01.01 19:08:00 -
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For passive shield tanking especially it actually makes sense to leave this skill at a low level. If damage bleeds through the shields to armor, it means shields stays closer to 30% for longer, and this means that you recharge shields better.
Train the skill to lvl 1, use faction hardeners instead of T2, and your tank is actually better than if its at a higher level.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar AFK
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Posted - 2008.01.01 20:38:00 -
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Originally by: Kerfira For passive shield tanking especially it actually makes sense to leave this skill at a low level.
For passive shield tanking it actually makes sense to get the hell out before you'd even need this skill... =AFK=
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Segil Nastra
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Posted - 2008.01.01 22:29:00 -
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doesn't really matter because you still need to train it to level 4 to use invulnerability field II's
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.01.02 02:40:00 -
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Originally by: Kerfira For passive shield tanking especially it actually makes sense to leave this skill at a low level. If damage bleeds through the shields to armor, it means shields stays closer to 30% for longer, and this means that you recharge shields better.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.01.02 06:17:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador
Originally by: Kerfira For passive shield tanking especially it actually makes sense to leave this skill at a low level.
For passive shield tanking it actually makes sense to get the hell out before you'd even need this skill...
no, because the wants your faction hardeners
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Ping Li
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Posted - 2008.01.02 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: Kerfira For passive shield tanking especially it actually makes sense to leave this skill at a low level. If damage bleeds through the shields to armor, it means shields stays closer to 30% for longer, and this means that you recharge shields better.
Train the skill to lvl 1, use faction hardeners instead of T2, and your tank is actually better than if its at a higher level.
No it is not, the damage which 'bleeds' through the shields to your armor is actually added damage. So when your shields get low they still take the same damage, but some damage to your armor is added. So it's always better to have this skill at a higher level.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.01.03 07:34:00 -
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cant find the link, but what Ping said was confirmed by a dev in a previous thread
Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to:
"Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
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Kerfira
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Posted - 2008.01.05 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton no, because the wants your faction hardeners
The will kill you no matter what you have
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Kerfira
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Posted - 2008.01.05 11:29:00 -
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Edited by: Kerfira on 05/01/2008 11:30:09
Originally by: Tortun Nahme cant find the link, but what Ping said was confirmed by a dev in a previous thread
So the damage to shields is full damage, no matter whether something bleeds through?
Ie. given 100 damage at 20% shields... No bleed through: 100 damage to shields Bleed through: 100 damage to shields, X damage to armor
Doesn't sound right somehow.... It would be more logical to have this damage in bleed through scenario: 100-X damage to shields, X damage to armor. In that case, you would stay higher in shield percentage, and you would get a small extra amount of shield recharge...
Oh well, I got it to 4 anyway....
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Qutan
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.01.05 11:36:00 -
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As a armor tanker doing missions I can see the affect it has on my shields when the shield has nearly melted it adds to my time before armor is affected giving more time to get position ,so I consider the training time to be well spent even with an armor tank . And if I change ship for an shield tanker its well spent time too .
Not a pirate I just love the
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Estel Arador
Minmatar AFK
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Posted - 2008.01.05 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: Kerfira Doesn't sound right somehow.... It would be more logical (...)
This is a dangerous thought; CCP is not very well known for using logic when doing things to the game =AFK=
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IamBen
Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.01.05 12:58:00 -
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the skill is still stupid for a rank 4 skill. Armor tankers have to train a rank 2 skill (hull upgrades) to get to use capital reps and caldari chars have to train lvl 5 on a rank 4 skill which does abosolutely nothing. Damage should just not bleed through shields and tactical shield manipulation should give plus 2 to EM resist per level.
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Durzel
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Posted - 2008.01.07 13:41:00 -
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Edited by: Durzel on 07/01/2008 13:41:25 I must admit this skill has always confused me, the info says:
"Skill at preventing damage from penetrating the shield, including the use of shield hardeners and other advanced shield modules. Reduces the chance of damage penetrating the shield when it falls below 25% by 5% per skill level, with 0% chance at level 5."
Now, when I've been attacked (only done PvE so far) I haven't gone into armor until my shields have completely gone. Reading the info on this skill seems to suggest that at level 5 when your shields drop to 25% you stop taking damage completely (i.e. god mode), which obviously doesn't make sense.
Can you be hit by something which goes straight through your shields and hits your armour/structure?
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Angel DeMorphis
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.01.07 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Durzel Edited by: Durzel on 07/01/2008 13:41:25 I must admit this skill has always confused me, the info says:
"Skill at preventing damage from penetrating the shield, including the use of shield hardeners and other advanced shield modules. Reduces the chance of damage penetrating the shield when it falls below 25% by 5% per skill level, with 0% chance at level 5."
Now, when I've been attacked (only done PvE so far) I haven't gone into armor until my shields have completely gone. Reading the info on this skill seems to suggest that at level 5 when your shields drop to 25% you stop taking damage completely (i.e. god mode), which obviously doesn't make sense.
Can you be hit by something which goes straight through your shields and hits your armour/structure?
When you get low on shields you can start taking damage to your shields and armor in the same hit, even if you still have some shield HP left. This skills makes it so the chance of damage penetrating the shield (i.e. hitting through the shield and also hitting armor) lower.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar AFK
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Posted - 2008.01.07 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Angel DeMorphis This skills makes it so the chance of damage penetrating the shield (i.e. hitting through the shield and also hitting armor) lower.
Actually this skill lowers the point where the chance of damage penetration starts, not the actual chance itself (as far as I can tell). Without this skill, you can start taking damage to your armour at 25% shields, at level I it drops to 20%, lvl II 15%, lvl III 10%, lvl IV 5% and lvl V 0% (then all your shield HP are down before you start taking any damage to your armour). =AFK=
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