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Asimov Andies
Gallente Brotherhood of the Phoenix Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.01.01 00:49:00 -
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I am new to the whole LCD Monitor thing. My old 20 inch CTR finally died and I need a new monitor so I was thinking along the lines of a 22" LCD. I was specifically looking at getting one, maybe two Acer AL2216WBD. My question is pretty simple I hope. Is a 5ms response time fine for gaming or do I need something like a 2-3ms response time?
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Asimov Andies
Gallente Brotherhood of the Phoenix Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.01.01 00:49:00 -
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I am new to the whole LCD Monitor thing. My old 20 inch CTR finally died and I need a new monitor so I was thinking along the lines of a 22" LCD. I was specifically looking at getting one, maybe two Acer AL2216WBD. My question is pretty simple I hope. Is a 5ms response time fine for gaming or do I need something like a 2-3ms response time?
It's a Slanket, a blanket that has sleeves.
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The Passenger
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.01.01 00:51:00 -
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Do yourself a favor and just splurge on a Dell. I bought a DELL 2407WFP... and let me tell you, I'll probably never use a different brand. This thing rocks. ___________________________________________ Signature artists! Let me pay you 200 Million ISK! (Maybe 250) http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=672800 |
The Passenger
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.01.01 00:51:00 -
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Do yourself a favor and just splurge on a Dell. I bought a DELL 2407WFP... and let me tell you, I'll probably never use a different brand. This thing rocks. ___________________________________________ Signature artists! Let me pay you 200 Million ISK! (Maybe 250) http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=672800 |
Xen Gin
The Dragoons
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Posted - 2008.01.01 00:53:00 -
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LCD monitors are the only thing Dell does right.
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Xen Gin
The Dragoons
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Posted - 2008.01.01 00:53:00 -
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LCD monitors are the only thing Dell does right.
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Asimov Andies
Gallente Brotherhood of the Phoenix Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.01.01 00:55:00 -
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Keep in mind I am not asking about brand, although I don't mind the suggestions, I specifically want to know about response times and gaming. I understand 2-3 is desired, but how is 5ms?
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Asimov Andies
Gallente Brotherhood of the Phoenix Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.01.01 00:55:00 -
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Keep in mind I am not asking about brand, although I don't mind the suggestions, I specifically want to know about response times and gaming. I understand 2-3 is desired, but how is 5ms?
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CCP Whisper
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Posted - 2008.01.01 00:58:00 -
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I second/third the suggestion to buy a Dell monitor. They are extremely good quality and worth the price. I have a 24" widescreen with a 19" as secondary. Large monitor for the game, secondary for messenger, irc, winamp and all the other stuff that runs in the background. Now I find it really hard to go back to single-screen setups...it just becomes a jumble.
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CCP Whisper
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Posted - 2008.01.01 00:58:00 -
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I second/third the suggestion to buy a Dell monitor. They are extremely good quality and worth the price. I have a 24" widescreen with a 19" as secondary. Large monitor for the game, secondary for messenger, irc, winamp and all the other stuff that runs in the background. Now I find it really hard to go back to single-screen setups...it just becomes a jumble.
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Asimov Andies
Gallente Brotherhood of the Phoenix Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.01.01 01:00:00 -
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... Did I do something wrong? Is my question blurred out? Why won't anyone answer my question?
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Asimov Andies
Gallente Brotherhood of the Phoenix Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.01.01 01:00:00 -
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... Did I do something wrong? Is my question blurred out? Why won't anyone answer my question?
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CCP Whisper
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Posted - 2008.01.01 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: Asimov Andies how is 5ms?
It is more than enough for gaming. At least in my opinion. I used to game with a 16ms monitor and did not notice any disadvantage when compared to my housemate who had a higher refresh rate. Personally I think people who claim to be able to differentiate between 2ms and 5ms response times are full of it.
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CCP Whisper
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Posted - 2008.01.01 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: Asimov Andies how is 5ms?
It is more than enough for gaming. At least in my opinion. I used to game with a 16ms monitor and did not notice any disadvantage when compared to my housemate who had a higher refresh rate. Personally I think people who claim to be able to differentiate between 2ms and 5ms response times are full of it.
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Asimov Andies
Gallente Brotherhood of the Phoenix Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.01.01 01:04:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Whisper
Originally by: Asimov Andies how is 5ms?
It is more than enough for gaming. At least in my opinion. I used to game with a 16ms monitor and did not notice any disadvantage when compared to my housemate who had a higher refresh rate. Personally I think people who claim to be able to differentiate between 2ms and 5ms response times are full of it.
Thank you Whisper.
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Asimov Andies
Gallente Brotherhood of the Phoenix Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.01.01 01:04:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Whisper
Originally by: Asimov Andies how is 5ms?
It is more than enough for gaming. At least in my opinion. I used to game with a 16ms monitor and did not notice any disadvantage when compared to my housemate who had a higher refresh rate. Personally I think people who claim to be able to differentiate between 2ms and 5ms response times are full of it.
Thank you Whisper.
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Gladiator Jonny
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2008.01.01 01:06:00 -
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one thin my mate always told me. mever buy dell. duno if its just the comp or the screen but, ust what ive been told.
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Gladiator Jonny
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2008.01.01 01:06:00 -
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one thin my mate always told me. mever buy dell. duno if its just the comp or the screen but, ust what ive been told.
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MalVortex
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Posted - 2008.01.01 01:15:00 -
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Dell computers are bleh, but they're secondary hardware like monitors and printers tends to be of surprising build quality for their price.
I'd definetley prefer 2-3ms response time, but I'm still on a megalith-sized CRT monitor, so I coudn't tell you if theres any real world difference.
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The Passenger
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.01.01 01:16:00 -
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Sorry, bud... but your mate must have dropped his damn monitor too many times. I know a LOT of folks with the same monitor I've got, and NONE of them have ever complained about its performance. Go check out some gamer forums. Go check out review sites. Your mate against an internet FULL of people raving about Dell's gaming monitors? No contest. ___________________________________________ Signature artists! Let me pay you 200 Million ISK! (Maybe 250) http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=672800 |
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Asimov Andies
Gallente Brotherhood of the Phoenix Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.01.01 01:36:00 -
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By any chance, does anyone have any recommendations for a Desk or Wall (Preferably desk) mount for 22"+ inch monitors.
So far I have looked at a few desk mounts and they are all the clamp on type, and I just don't think that my monitor is safe on a clamp mount, it just doesn't sound or look secure, no experience in the matter though as my old CRT would have smashed any by just looking at them.
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Shinnen
Caldari Northern Intelligence
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Posted - 2008.01.01 01:40:00 -
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I wouldn't go Acer. Poor build quality in all of their products.
Samsung (Samtron), Phillips, Sony, Panasonic, Iiyama, Dell. Stick to them -- Banned since 2005, back by popular demand! They said it wouldn't happen!! |
Lookatme I'manAlt
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Posted - 2008.01.01 02:33:00 -
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Edited by: Lookatme I''manAlt on 01/01/2008 02:33:32 I haven't had any problems with ether of the Acer monitors I own, but I absolutely love my Dell. So I suggest either of those.
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Shalia Ripper
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.01.01 05:13:00 -
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I am going to demote my Dell 2007FPW when the new Samsung 226BW arrives later this week. I can't wait.
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Karma
Vortex Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.01.01 12:05:00 -
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I recently got a ViewSonic VX2235wm, and while it's truly epic for games that support widescreen, it has not options for keeping aspect ratio on older games. they all get stretched. and the settings for this that come with the nvidia drivers aren't working properly (haven't for over a year and a half).
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Jaerl
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.01.01 12:07:00 -
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To be honest - I'd settle with anything for 'gaming' with under 8ms response time. Sure, the uber-sick 1ms monitors are beasts of machines, but come on... we're still human - our eyes can't actually physically tell the difference unless you're completely zoned out or some sort of super-human or on drugs or something...
As for the monitor choice - I can't fault your Acer choice (I don't like the look of it that much though). I'm currently using a 22" WS HPw2207h, probs not good for dual screen due to USB hub on the side - highly recommended though. Really high quality colours, brightness and colour trueness, although probably better for vid/gfx people rather than hardcore gamers (although I nearly wet myself playing EVE on this for the first time in 1680*1050...) a downside is the large base.
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annoing
Amarr MisFunk Inc. Frontline.
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Posted - 2008.01.01 13:12:00 -
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8ms should be the absolute maximum for any serious gamer, especially FPS games, but in Eve it doesnt really matter. I bought an Asus 22" widescreen LCD with a 2ms response time. I bought it because it was extremely cheap for a 22". So far I have no complaints for Eve, CS:S or the BF series. For the price its a good job.
But 5ms is good, and if the price is right, buy it.
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Shalia Ripper
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.01.01 13:17:00 -
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I said later this week when I posted earlier...not knowing that the monitor was already sitting by my front door.
Samsung 226BW. Frikken gorgeous.
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Angelik'a
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.01.01 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: Shinnen I wouldn't go Acer. Poor build quality in all of their products.
Had an Acer 19" for the past 3 years (as a secondary monitor now, though) and I've never had a hint of trouble with it. Same with friends and familly tbh. All LCD components are pretty much made by the same company now anyway
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2008.01.01 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: Asimov Andies Keep in mind I am not asking about brand, although I don't mind the suggestions, I specifically want to know about response times and gaming. I understand 2-3 is desired, but how is 5ms?
The answer is they are almost certainly lying* about those response times. Few if any manufacturers of LCDs is honest and its gotten so bad someone should really sue them for false advertising.
As it happens there are several ways to measure LCD panel response times and as you might guess they choose the one most favorable and then even there manage to fudge the numbers. What most LCD makers advertise is the "gray-to-gray" (GTG) response time when in reality the best measure is a "black-white-black" (BWB) measure. The GTG method is considerably faster than BWB but BWB is what you actually want to know.
So, is a 3ms response time good? Yep...if it was actually that fast which it isn't.
Understanding that LCD displays have advantages in weight, power consumption and overall footprint on your desk the bottom line is a decent CRT still blows the doors off of them. A CRT is more versatile, far better response and across the board better contrast.
Not saying LCDs are awful. They are fine. But you may well find yourself missing your trusty CRT.
*-From Tom's Hardware Guide "I need to point out the disquieting tendency for manufacturer specifications to deviate more and more from actual performance. This is nothing new. Manufacturers have always taken liberties with specifications. But with wide-screen 19" monitors, they are out of control. When you see two panels certified at 5 and 8 ms respectively when in both cases they actually schlep along at 20 ms, you can't help but get the feeling that we've reached a point of no return."
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