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Kelduum Revaan
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.01.02 10:31:00 -
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About Eve University
For nearly four years now, Eve University has trained the new pilots to Eve, taking those with little experience, and showing them the ropes, giving them the best start we can on the road to whatever they want to do in the universe, be it Mining, Production, PvP or anything else. We are, effectively, a unique entity in Eve, with countless thousands of members having passed though Eve University and gone on to other things, with more than a few starting with an industry focus, and moving to PvP and vice versa.
Throughout this time, we have acted as a neutral player-run Tech 2 version of the new player experience, and we do so at no cost involved, with all the instructors, management and directors doing what they do simply because they enjoy it. We have managed to remain neutral, and stayed out of the way of any conflicts which do not concern us, maintaining an open NAP policy, and a section of our forums for all groups to recruit graduates from the University, regardless of their affiliation.
The true power of Eve University comes from its members - not just from the leadership and instructors, but from the students themselves - sharing their experiences and learning from them. With smaller teaching corporations, they lack the member base to answer questions 23/7 - with the University, there are typically over 80 people online at any time available to answer questions. This is of course not to mention our forums, with alumni also available to assist in more detail and provide practical examples.
Highlights of 2007
The Eve University 'Zero-Zero Project' opened at the start of the year, and for quite some time we had a small cluster of systems in the then-new drone space, specifically the region which is now Malpais. Unfortunately local pressures made the project unviable after the first few months, but we did manage to provide well over a hundred students a taste of 0.0 life while the project was live.
We were involved in a number of wars, which I'm sure some of you will have heard about. I would like to extend our respect to Murder-Death-Kill (who's timing was unfortunate, but we had some fun), Phoenix Mercenaries (who graciously retracted their war when they were briefed on our mission), Laughing Leprechauns (also for retracting their war after we explained the situation) and Omniscient Order (for some excellent fighting).
Unfortunately we were also the subject of a corp theft, with substantial assets being taken by a new pilot, simply due to the wrong role accidentally being granted. I would like to extend thanks on behalf of the present and future students and leadership for the donations we received. From individuals and alliances, notably both The Brutally Clever Empire and Veto Corp. providing outstanding donations which means we recovered all our losses in just a few days.
We would also like to thank everyone who has supported us in this last year in whatever way it may be - monetary donations, ships, modules or even simply by setting standings - your support is what makes Eve University possible, and we are incredibly thankful.
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Kelduum Revaan
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.01.02 10:32:00 -
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War Problems
In the last six months, we have seen a drastic increase in the number of wars declared against us. While live fire exercises against hostiles are a good teaching platform for PvP elements, we have no choice but to close recruitment during these wars, as the last thing we want is to be responsible for new players losing everything they have due to an enemy gate camp. Wars also prevent us teaching the majority of the other aspects of Eve - things like mining operations, lessons on scanning and even internal PvP training events have to be cancelled as we cannot guarantee the students safety.
This has been happening near continuously over the last few months - either from corps who simply want 'fun' (aka easy kills) or from mercenaries contracted against us from nebulous third parties, who hide behind their anonymity to avoid rational debate. Because the wars have been near constant, taking into account the time to get lessons arranged, in the last 5 months we have had less than 6 full weeks where we have been able to operate under normal conditions.
New Pilots
Unfortunately, these problems don't simply affect Eve University - new players wanting to join us do still apply during wars, hoping to be accepted once they end. In a normal week without war, around three quarters of the 100 or so applicants are successfully accepted into the University. After war lasting over a week, the number of successful applicants drops to around one quarter, with the majority of the applicants never completing the application process. From what we can tell, the majority simply disappear and never log in again, suggesting they were trial accounts and therefore are lost potential subscribers.
This is obviously not good for Eve as a whole - Eve thrives on its member base and steady influx of new pilots, and although the New Player Experience is improving, its unlikely it will ever be able to give the kind of teaching that you can get from other pilots sharing their experience.
The Future
So, the question is, what is the future for Eve University?
Small corporations wanting PvP against a larger foe, or trying to make a name for themselves declare war on Ivy league and Eve University. We shut recruitment and non PvP lessons down, and fight. The war ends eventually, we reopen recruitment and plan more for the following week. However this has been continuing for the last 6 months, and the time between the wars is getting shorter. This means less recovery time, and less time to teach - our primary purpose.
Quite simply, in these conditions, we can not teach, and even recruitment is difficult in this situation. We cannot continue to operate with wars three weeks out of every four, and from the frequency of the wars it suggests we have been targeted by a third party, but we are at a loss to explain why. We are supposed to be here for all of Eve, but as it is, we are having a problem continuing.
So we, the instructors, management and directors of Eve University, ask the community - what is our future? - Is the University still required in Eve? - Do you, the wider eve community want us to continue? - How do we continue, without damaging our neutrality?
Unfortunately, it would appear at present that as more pilots join Eve, more harassment groups appear just for the cheap thrill of damaging others' experience.
Of course, if anyone would like to create a competitor to Eve University and do things better we can provide some insight, however things are becoming increasingly difficult for Eve University to continue with our mission to train new pilots.
-- Kelduum Revaan Diplomatic Director Eve University <IVY>
Signed on behalf of the Eve University Leadership, Instructors, and Students. _____
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Kelduum Revaan
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.01.02 10:33:00 -
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Freddy Jnr
Racketeers
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Posted - 2008.01.02 11:17:00 -
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Waheeeeeeeey!
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darzino
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Posted - 2008.01.02 16:39:00 -
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I for one fully support the Uni. I joined Eve in late 2006, played the trial and left the game mainly because I felt alone in a game that was difficult to pick up. Anyway, I came back to give the game another chance at the end of 2007. I heard of a Corp that helped new players and thought IĘd check it out in recruitment forums. I was surprised at the great reports people had made about the UNI, so I decided to join. I had to wait about a week before I got in because the Uni was at war.
When I finally joined I was welcomed by about a hundred people all at once. Since that day I've learnt so much about eve and even set up an alt so I could do different things taught by the Uni. I love the lessons on exploration, mining and trading for my industrial alt and also love the lessons on fleet movement, PVP, and missions on my PVP character.
I can definitely say if it wasn't for the Uni, I wouldn't have subscribed and wouldn't still be playing this game today!
Darzino - Eve University - Freshman
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Benny Honna
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Posted - 2008.01.02 16:47:00 -
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Can I have your stuff?
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Julien makka
Racketeers
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Posted - 2008.01.02 17:07:00 -
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On behalf of Ender Wiggins.
An educational institute in a pvp game does not make sense.
Please disband your corp as Rak has no plans ever to undec you guys.
Happy new year.
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Lord Nefarious
Minmatar Insidious Existence
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Posted - 2008.01.02 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Julien makka On behalf of Ender Wiggins.
An educational institute in a pvp game does not make sense.
Please explain....
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Taua Roqa
Minmatar Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.01.02 18:21:00 -
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Great post keldspar, if not a little sOmbre :P I would say another factor influencing the future of Euni is that it's role in introducing pilots to eve and showing them around any aspect of the game they care for with classes and the fantastic mentoring program (having a 4 year old player dedicate chunks of their playtime to funding and teaching you is bloody cool), is that when the uni has helped a capsuleer grow, that pilot will then leave and head into the game; into 0.0, another corp, or even found their own, to be replaced by another fresh face. Endless wardecs hinder this throughput of players, and certainly are not doing the game any favours :/ as for the latest wardec I really don't 'get' the sheer amount of hateful smacking they do in local all the time, anyhow.
I will attest to having it not being for the uni who were so willing to take me onboard as a feeble nubling who got ganked by bloody crows (arghhh they are orbitting me again ) everytime they went into lowsec i would probably never have subscribed. But now, i'm no longer so clueless about research, production or angular velocity (...or crows) and have played a specific role in a fair few PvP gangs, I think i might stay a while longer in EvE. Thank you E-Uni o7 -------------------------------------------- Threads are stacking-nerfed; the more posts you add the less effective those posts are. mooooooo. |
Tristen Orde
Racketeers
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Posted - 2008.01.02 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: Taua Roqa showing them around any aspect of the game they care for with classes and the fantastic mentoring program (
So eve university will help me become a better can flipper and 'griefer'? I believe that is against their policy.
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Irdalth Delrar
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.01.02 18:47:00 -
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I have been in Eve for over year. When I first joined, I quickly was drawn to a PvP alliance that helped new players. It unfortunately fell apart 2 weeks after I joined, and returning to the new player chat, I found Eve University. I joined at the age of a month, flying a cruiser, and one of my first experiences was a 0.0 trip, along with the fear, the excitement, and of course, the rewards. After half a year of time in the corporation, I was hit with the PvP bug, and left to 0.0 space alliances. After a mere week away from the Uni, I couldnĘt take it. I created a new account (this character) and joined the Uni, filling my old role as a Recruitment Officer. In the last four months, IĘve formalized all my helping by becoming an instructor, namely in mining, trading, and tackling, as well as leading a variety of operations, both PvP and non. IĘve seen dozens of pilots go through the Uni to join the top of the top corps and alliances.
I normally play MMOs for the fun (normally PvP) but I stay for the family. And Eve University has been one of the best families IĘve found in an MMO. The best experience IĘve ever had in an MMO was after finishing a class on trade with the Uni. One of the students, a week into the game, said how much he loved the class and the concepts, and itĘs definitely helped him decide to stay in Eve. A few days later, another student, about one month old, sent me a mail saying how he turned his 2mil ISK into 20mil ISK because of my class. Both gave me virtual apples
Irdalth Delrar Instructor, Recruitment Officer, Combat Leader Eve University
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zennez
Eve University
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Posted - 2008.01.02 18:50:00 -
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I recently joined the Uni because of a recommendation by a friend who had previously been in the Uni, over a year ago. I was fortunate enough to join in between wars.
I found their teachings professional and very informative. I've thoroughly enjoyed the classes on mission running and have attended classes on aspects of eve I wouldn't even have considered - trading, research etc...
I did stay with the NPC Corp at the beginning for about 2 weeks and found it quite lonely. A few people were available to give advice but that was all it was. Advice... To actually have a Corp that could give practical lessons from people dedicating their own free time is a gem and truly unique to the MMO world.
Eve Uni should continue to do what it has done for the past 4 years and adapt to the pointless wars and grief.
Zennez - Eve University - Freshman
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Aram Thracius
Amarr Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.01.02 19:15:00 -
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I've certainly tried a lot of MMOs and a lot of them are all about solo farming and dull spawn camping.
Once I started Eve it seemed like more of the same, until I realised that the players have so much more control over the game and that who they are has a much greater influence on how successful they will be and how much they will enjoy their play time, unlike a scripted MMO.
I'm happy to be in Eve University, a corporation that recruited me with no intrusive questions, no contracts to be signed, no "catch" at all, yet provided me with ships, skill books, modules and above all much knowledge, with only a 2.5% corp tax as a price.
This outfit is full of intelligent, generous individuals who are very good players and I wouldn't want to leave for all the ISK in Jita, regardless of current and future conflicts. Aram Thracius - Eve University |
Julien makka
Racketeers
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Posted - 2008.01.02 19:49:00 -
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I joined racketeers, which was my first decent corp. Completely clueless about pvp (a few lowsec ganks aside) i quickly learned to canflip and got loads of action.
Found myself flying with a lot of decent pvpers and rapidly got better at it.
Could add more but you get the point. eve uni is not a requirement for new people to learn how the game works.
No amount of tear drawing sad stories is going to lift the dec.
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Kozilla
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Posted - 2008.01.02 19:49:00 -
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Shortly after my trial ended I joined Eve-University. About a week after that I canceled my WoW subscription, I was hooked. The great camaraderie of E-Uni allowed me to experience the game to its fullest potential.
One of my best memories of Eve-U was an open mining op 1 or 2 days after joining the Uni. I learned the mechanics of group mining in a friendly, accepting atmosphere. As the op was coming to a close one of the Unistas said that he just bought a Retriever offered me a fully fitted Osprey with Tech 2 Miners, quite a boat for a 2 week old character! He never wanted anything in return except that I pass it along once I was finished with it...I bought my own Retriever last week and donated the Osprey and fittings back to the Uni.
I've never been with a more pleasant, mature, and helpful community of gamers in my life. As much as I've loved my time with the Uni so far, I can't wait to move on to corps in 0.0 space to help influence the grander parts of the game...that is E-Uni's gift to the galaxy....experienced, mature pilots to enrich life in our universe.
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Peter Strasser
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.01.02 20:11:00 -
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Happy New Year to the Eve Community,
Why is Eve University valuable?
It took me almost two years to realize that I wasn't going to get anywhere solo in Eve. Yes, I am that thick.
Since I joined Eve-U two months ago I have I have received instruction in the following areas: Fitting, Scanning, Overview, Electronic Warfare, Advanced EW, Tackling, Fleet Ops, Lo-Sec Survival, Mining, Hauling, Production, Trading, and War. I've also spent hour after hour reading the Eve-Uni forums for both instruction and amusement. I listen in on TS every time I log on even if I'm off on my own and am always educated and entertained. I have received millions of ISK worth of skill books, modules, even ships.
I have been applauded at every success. I have been consoled at every failure, and been given advice on how not to have it happen again by pilots who know their stuff and love to share their experience. The laughter has been constant.
Did you get all that when you joined your first Player Corp? No? Bummer.
Cheers! Peter Strasser - Freshman |
Kelduum Revaan
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.01.02 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: Julien makka I joined racketeers, which was my first decent corp. Completely clueless about pvp (a few lowsec ganks aside) i quickly learned to canflip and got loads of action.
Found myself flying with a lot of decent pvpers and rapidly got better at it.
Julien, its good to hear your story as well, being someone on the opposite end of the scale.
I do suggest however that you would have personally benefited from some of our PvP lessons, seeing the frequency that our pilots manage to destroy your ships.
-- Kelduum Revaan Diplomatic Director Eve University <IVY> _____
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Zedah Zoid
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.01.02 20:33:00 -
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Another thumbs up for Eve University. I was beginning to wonder "What else?" in the NPC starter corp and was thinking about parking the pod permanently, but found Eve University and decided to apply. I joined and have had a great time ever since. And while not a strictly fighter training corp like Agony Unleashed(as an example), we do get our share of all types of pilots and strategies and PvP is not frowned upon. In fact, it is not frowned upon to graduate and go join a group of pirates, I know several pilots that have taken that route. It's a corp willing to give until it hurts only to see the pilots fly off into wherever their destiny lies but many of them still give a wave in local when they see other Uni pilots going by(if they're not shooting at you...).
Zedah Zoid - Eve University - Student |
Julien makka
Racketeers
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Posted - 2008.01.02 20:33:00 -
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My efficiency is pretty good, even on your own killboard ;)
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CCP Mitnal
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Posted - 2008.01.02 20:37:00 -
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Users of this particular area of the galnet are reminded that off-topic and posts considered unsuitable will be removed, especially those that have nothing to do with the topic discussed.
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Chin LoPan
The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.01.02 20:59:00 -
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Sorry to hear that the lame minority who care nothing about the health of the game are having such an impact. E-UNI was instrumental in my early months in the game, and it is doubtful I would have stayed with EVE nor made such great online friends (and ended up in my current corp) if it wasn't for E-UNI. I still feel endebted to E-UNI, and someday I want to repay by returning as an instructor.
I wonder: is it possible to contact CCP directly and petition to have E-UNI set as a NPC corp or something so war-decs could not actually be made against E-UNI? I would hope that CCP would be smart enough to know the value that E-UNI brings to the game by enhancing the new player experience (thus increasing the subscriber base by decreasing the amount of new pilots that just give up in frustration), and the unique neutral teaching role that they play in the game.
E-UNI, I salute you and hope that you can find a way to continue your mission in 2008 and beyond...
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cal nereus
Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.01.02 21:31:00 -
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I never joined Eve University, but I know a lot of great PvPers and players who started out in Eve University and received their early (and very effective) training at your hands. I have a lot of respect for what y'all do for the game. But above all, I wish for all the teachers and students in Eve University to have fun and fly safe. o7 ---
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Tristen Orde
Racketeers
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Posted - 2008.01.02 21:36:00 -
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Edited by: Tristen Orde on 02/01/2008 21:37:50 Alright then, I'll make the point a bit clearer.
Originally by: Kelduum Revaan
- Is the University still required in Eve?
No, what you do inhibits a pilots growth as it just coddles them into thinking eve is a nice and pretty environment full of trustworthy people.
A pilot would learn eve much faster if they just dove into trading, manufacturing, mission running or pvping rather than sticking their big toe in the water and holding it there for 3 months.
Originally by: Kelduum Revaan
- Do you, the wider eve community want us to continue?
No, see statement above for the explanation.
Originally by: Kelduum Revaan
- How do we continue, without damaging our neutrality?
You are a player corp... your neutrality, or lack of it, was never in question. As a player corp, your neutral only until your in a war situation. At that point, all neutrality stops.
You shouldn't, as a player corp, get ANY special treatment from this community and ESPECIALLY not from CCP.
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DaemonExodus
Caldari Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.01.02 21:44:00 -
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I joined the EvE Universe 3 weeks ago on a whim to try it out. At first it looked interesting but WAY too complex and such a steep learning curve to catch up on a Universe that was several years ahead of me. I probably would have left the EvE universe in my 14 day stay here, however quickly in the Rookie Help channel many much more experienced pilots suggested a haven to move onto after my time with my starting Academy corp. A place of learning and acceptance called Eve University, the wealth of information and knowledge caught me up quick into understanding things and being able to seek help from teachers of the game without having to deal with spammers and the chaos of the help chat.
Thank you E-Uni if it wasn't for you I would have not only left EvE but not have the two accounts I now pay for.
Eve University Freshman,
DaemonExodus
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Doc Eldritch
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.01.02 21:54:00 -
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Hi everyone and a Happy New Year from the Doctor.
I started playing Eve as a secondary MMO next to WoW (am in a big raiding guild there), looking for something to do when I got bored of the tedious grinding there. For a few months I basically ran missions and aimlessly trained various skills. My final verdict before I decided to quit was that Eve is a boring, endless grind, with even more repetetive missions than WoW. Then I saw an add by the Uni and on a whim decided to give it a last chance. Ever since then I have come to appreciate and love the depth, deadliness and staggering variety of options that Eve offers to carebear and PvPwnster alike and my WoW toon is seeing less action every week. Thanks CCP for making a great game and thanks E-Uni for really introducing me to it.
Cheers, Doc Eldritch
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Ignis Sancta
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Posted - 2008.01.02 22:05:00 -
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The corp sounds great for new players, and a possible threat to people who learned the hard way... it shows. Thats why most posts are either black or white. This corp is an excellent asset to the new player experience yes... and does contribute to the overall success of the game subscriber wise. I suppose most people prefer kicking a few noobs in the ribs until they quit the game just to do it again to whomever takes their place. But then again as it stands they are perfectly within all rights to do whatever they want lol. I dont see why they wouldnt want more skilled players around to test their mettle though. They should support this corp... and lay off imo. peace o/
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Chin LoPan
The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.01.02 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: Tristen Orde ...what you do inhibits a pilots growth as it just coddles them into thinking eve is a nice and pretty environment full of trustworthy people.
So, you are taking the stance that E-UNI's war-deccers are actually providing instructive value to new players? I am sure everyone is fully aware that jerks exist in EVE just as they exist in RL...
Originally by: Tristen Orde A pilot would learn eve much faster if they just dove into trading, manufacturing, mission running or pvping rather than sticking their big toe in the water and holding it there for 3 months.
If that was the case, then E-UNI wouldn't have successfully provided the fertile training ground for masses of EVE pilots for so many years. And FYI, I muddled about for my first few months in EVE doing exactly what you suggest before I found E-UNI, but I learned more in my first 3 weeks at E-UNI than I did in my first 3 months in my starter NPC corp trying to figure it out on my own.
Anybody who griefs E-UNI and disrupts their mission is just showing themselves to be exactly what they really are: pilots with no honor, who need Empire station-games and ganking noob's to get their kicks.
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Nacho Daddy
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Posted - 2008.01.02 22:13:00 -
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I applied to EVE University right before the Raks declared war my application did not get processed in time I went on to join some guild mates from WoW in their Corp. As it turns out I have been teaching and providing information to others (I pick up things pretty quick) in my Corp and were it not for circumstances might have really enjoyed the EU experience. I still read their public channel from time to time and ask questions an answer the ones I can. Anyway I have a lot of respect for what they are trying to accomplish and find it rather silly for someone to Dec on such a great community resource.
Perhaps some Mercs of your own or Military division comprised of senior students who might be wanting to whet their PVP appetites and have the skills to go with it. Also don't forget your Alumni, they could be valuable in stomping out people who want to interfere with what you do, use your connections. GL to EVE University in the coming year.
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Mijstor Jedann
Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.01.02 22:25:00 -
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Dont worry e-uni, RAK are just a bunch of griefers that cant hack it in real space. Im sure with you guys letting the eve community know of this problem, pressure will be applied to RAK to drop the dec. Despite their immature forum responses I think the message will get through to them. E-UNI will always be needed in this Game ____________________
"Amarr alone, delivered herself."
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Death4free1
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Posted - 2008.01.03 00:05:00 -
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Edited by: Death4free1 on 03/01/2008 00:07:13
Originally by: Tristen Orde Edited by: Tristen Orde on 02/01/2008 21:37:50 Alright then, I'll make the point a bit clearer.
Originally by: Kelduum Revaan
- Is the University still required in Eve?
No, what you do inhibits a pilots growth as it just coddles them into thinking eve is a nice and pretty environment full of trustworthy people.
A pilot would learn eve much faster if they just dove into trading, manufacturing, mission running or pvping rather than sticking their big toe in the water and holding it there for 3 months.
We have a word for people like you i wont hold it from u...its idiot
tristen lets face it the only reason rack are deccing eve is because they r using it as a pathetic attempt to make their very very very small e-peen bigger and its not cause of what u actually think about the corp or their views
you empire war weenies r all the same u dec a corp that looks like good targets u get a massive gang together and spend a couple of hours camping a gate mubu popping some unlucky wt members
then when the wts get a good gang up full of i dunno say cruisers and frigates u run faster than light to the nearest station so your paint doesnt get scratched
do not attempt to even claim what you are doing is for the good of eve or anything crap like that what you are merely doing is gaining the contempt of players around you in eve and this will lead to your downfall/immenant destruction (see bob)
and oh sh*t i shoulda posted with my main oops ^^ <-----death4free is my main if u wana look him up
this post does not reflect the opinion of my corp or allaicne or anyone else for that matter cept for mubu eve uni ^^
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Haargoth Agamar
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.01.03 01:45:00 -
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Good luck in the future Eve-Uni. You guys are a great group and next time that there is an extended DT I will come visit your ts if you put it up again.
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Coughguy
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Posted - 2008.01.03 02:42:00 -
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I started the game in Sept...squeezed into E-Uni between wardecs. The information and experiences available there provide a critical step on the learning curve for Eve. Please don't get discouraged. You guys are made of better stuff than the people that are trying to inhibit your mission. Their attention spans are short, be patient.
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isAzmodeus
The Seven
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Posted - 2008.01.03 03:23:00 -
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Originally by: Tristen Orde Edited by: Tristen Orde on 02/01/2008 21:37:50 You shouldn't, as a player corp, get ANY special treatment from this community and ESPECIALLY not from CCP.
I've never heard of the CCP alliance, but every corp in eve gets special treatment from other corps depending on their overall operations and goals. Are you really so naive as to assume that all corporations fight on a completely level playing field? Some corporations have spent significant time and resources to build up a level of trust and understanding with other alliances, and as such, should be expected to reap the rewards of these relationships. Its only good business. Life in this universe depends on your corporation's dealings with other political entities, especially outside of empire controlled space.
While Eve University is definitely not a powerhouse on the political scene, it has spent time and effort training new pilots, and in turn, these pilots filter into the larger alliances and corporations. This has lead to a significant power base being built up from the ground level. I must question how you cannot see the benefit to numerous corporations and alliances of getting new pilots already trained to an established level by a respected entity.
If your corporation cannot grasp those fundamental concepts of politics, perhaps you should consider disbanding and joining more experienced and better led group. I fear that your current instruction has left you woefully unprepared for the harsh reality of eve, with its dependence on politics and corporate relations.
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed. Quote:
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Random Incarnate
Australia and New Zealand Eve Corp Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.01.03 03:33:00 -
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Edited by: Random Incarnate on 03/01/2008 03:34:07 I've never been part of E-Uni, but I've heard nothing but great things about you guys. Wardecs are a part of EVE, something everyone really needs to experience at one point or another - it's just a matter of when. Hell, even while you're still learning it can be more fun than anything else. A few wards every now and then gives the students a real taste of EVE. The problem here is when it's so constant that players can't learn anything else.
To the Racketeers: morals still exist in EVE. Are you like this out of EVE? You can't hide behind your character and say "it's just a game" - it is a reflection of who you are. If you are indeed like this out of EVE, then I suggest you grow up. If you are not, prove it.
There's much more I would like to say, but I hold the reputation of my alliance and my corp in high regard.
EDIT: Seems the above poster said it much better than I could.
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Tristen Orde
Racketeers
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Posted - 2008.01.03 05:08:00 -
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Originally by: Random Incarnate
To the Racketeers: morals still exist in EVE. Are you like this out of EVE? You can't hide behind your character and say "it's just a game" - it is a reflection of who you are. If you are indeed like this out of EVE, then I suggest you grow up. If you are not, prove it.
E-Honor.
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Izo Azlion
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.01.03 05:19:00 -
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On behalf of Veto Corp, thank you for the mention, EVE University. We're glad to see your organization still on its feet, and working forwards.
((Corporations and Alliances Summit This is the corporation and alliance version of the Intergalactic Summit. All interaction on this forum is in-character and between corporations or alliances, not individual characters.
Read the above, take heed - if you are not in character, you shouldn't be discussing out of character. Mods, can we have some order, please, otherwise this thread might as well be in CAOD.))
Izo Azlion.
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Devilish Ledoux
Caldari Naughty People The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2008.01.03 07:33:00 -
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Eve University coddles its pilots? Some of the best pirates, anarchists, terrorists and soldiers I've ever known got their start in E-UNI. Hell, some of those warriors are still there. _ Now Hiring Pirates, Anarchists and Terrorists. |
Kelduum Revaan
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.01.03 10:55:00 -
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Thank you all for your support, as always.
Of course, the purpose of this announcement is to both recap over the last year of Eve University, but also discuss possible solutions to the ongoing problems of wars, and how they affect the Uni.
I hate to think just how many capsuleers we have missed in the last 6 months due to wars, and its good to see that very few share the Racketeers viewpoint - by their logic, I am confident New Eden would be a substantially quieter place than it is now.
So, if anybody has any suggestions as to how to reduce the frequency of war, then please let us know, however odd they may seem. We aren't having a problem with the wars themselves (we can clearly hold our own in a conflict), but their recent frequency is preventing us from our purpose - teaching.
-- Kelduum Revaan Diplomatic Director Eve University <IVY> _____
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Death4free1
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Posted - 2008.01.03 13:08:00 -
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hmm you can hold ur own but how about making a mercenary of soldier arm of the ivy league
u get enuff ppl (and im sure alot would b willing to join) and u could use them to protect people doing normal training
alls ull need is a few command ships to keep the racketeers permenantly docked in one of their stations....
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Krutex
Minmatar The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.01.03 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: Tristen Orde
Originally by: Random Incarnate
To the Racketeers: morals still exist in EVE. Are you like this out of EVE? You can't hide behind your character and say "it's just a game" - it is a reflection of who you are. If you are indeed like this out of EVE, then I suggest you grow up. If you are not, prove it.
E-Honor.
What's wrong with E-Honor?
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Niskin
Minmatar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.01.03 19:30:00 -
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I'm gonna jump right into suggestions here because anything I have to say about the Racketeers and their unhealthy obsession with griefing EVE University won't help the situation. So here we go:
#1 Change the way you recruit new players. Being part of a community, especially a learning one, doesn't require a change of corp ticker. I'd suggest changing recruitment to be two phases.
Phase 1 would involve limited forum membership and continued help in the EVE University public channel. The idea here is to give them basic survival info that would be needed when they join the actual corp and face constant war decs.
Phase 2 would be the point that they join the University in game. If phase 1 was done correctly then they will know how to travel safely, avoid being ganked on a station and so forth.
#2 Setup managed logistics. There are multiple ways to do this using courier contracts whether they be to NPC corp alts or to corp freighter pilots. You can have pre-arranged ops that don't have scheduled times, they simply haul whatever is available when the impromptu op is ready to go. If you need more info on this you can EVE Mail me for details.
#3 Combine your training classes to use your own numbers for protection. Teach PvP & mining at the same time in the same asteroid belt. This could take some planning and getting used to but it is possible.
That's all I've got for now. I'd definitely recommend looking into your options to see what might work. While I'd love to see the rest of the EVE community dealing with the Racketeers to get them to stop, it doesn't look like that will work. If you can change things so that you can deny them kills on a constant basis it's very likely that they will get bored with you.
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Templar Adun
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2008.01.03 19:37:00 -
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while i never ended up getting into Eve Uni myself (got into another help noob corp, although they didn't have the extensive resources and so I left them for a real PvP corp), as a relatively new player on the Eve scence I respect greatly what they are about. many of the game mechanics and tactics are not readily apparent, and I found myself asking far more questions of fellow corp mates than I expected as someone who normally picks things like this up easily.
Having Eve Uni is one way of creating a quick start for newer pilots, causing them to continue playing and eventually join the political or economic scene of the Greater Eve Universe. This creates more recruits for corps and alliances of all types, keeps the universe full, and even gives more money to the developers to not only to improve the game but to show other companies that a sandbox game like Eve Online has the potential for real success.
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Melissa Dawn
Caldari Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.01.04 21:01:00 -
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In Sept 07, I was in search of a new game to play. I tried many, subscribed to none. I came across EvE again, for the second first time. I remembered it back in Beta and how confusing it was. I dropped it when it went live. I thought what the heck, it's a free client and I get 14 days to see how hows it's changed. I subscribed within the first week of the trial, I was that impressed. It was the level of detail and granularity of the game that caught my attention.
I found some really nice players lurking around outside the tutorial areas who were generous with supplies and helpful with gameplay. One player Invited me to his corp. That corp Split and formed a new Corp. That new corp split and I decided to find something suitable for me.
I searched the inter-web for days before dropping my roles and leaving my bad luck with Corporations behind. I found a couple corps I liked and sent applications. I had numerous invitations on hold with stated grounds that "If I don't get into E-UNI, I will call you back. If you'll still have me after I leave E-Uni, I'll give you a call." Everyone involved was understanding.
I had my eye on E-UNI from the start, determined to get in. I waited for a war to end before speaking with a recruiter and got into the Corp with a very narrow peacetime window. I had not been in the UNI for more then two weeks and we were at war again. To this day, it's been war.
Since joining, I have taken many tutorials that real everyday people behind real every day computers with real everyday lives have put together with their own free time and good will. I have gone to the EVE gate for a tour. I have learned fleet movement. I have also learned Ship roles and various loadouts for those ships. I have more wisdom and understanding about fleet communcation. My skills are now more focused and geared towards my style of game play in general. I have never experienced anything like this in my 10 years of MMO gaming. I will never play another game without first comparing it to the richness of EVE, it's players and their dedication.
My learning curve has been drastically reduced and my eyes been torn wide open to a new universe of gaming. My thanks goes to the dedication of real people behind the game and this corporation go far beyond any level of appreciation I could possibly show.
With Eve University in my Employment History (slash resume) I am sure to get more enjoyment out of this game far beyond my imagination for years to come.
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Martow
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Posted - 2008.01.06 09:28:00 -
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How about some of those corporations supportive of Eve University pledge to declare war on any corp that attacks Eve University? I imagine a few veteran corps hunting down any corp that tries to disrupt this valuable institution would quickly make them lose their appetite for war.
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Sethra Levode
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Posted - 2008.01.07 15:36:00 -
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Edited by: Sethra Levode on 07/01/2008 15:39:49
Originally by: Martow How about some of those corporations supportive of Eve University pledge to declare war on any corp that attacks Eve University? I imagine a few veteran corps hunting down any corp that tries to disrupt this valuable institution would quickly make them lose their appetite for war.
Ding Ding Ding!!!!
Just because EVE University is neutral does not mean that every corp, that believes that what EVE Uni provides is a valued aspect of EVE, can not role down on the Yaynkateers. EVE University is neutral in the sense that they will not pick sides in any conflict. They have accepted donations from corporations in the past. A good number of established Corps/Alliances should be willing to make one or separate war decks on organizations that the Uni can not effectively handle. The University should be able to handle a war deck, but the EVE community should not tolerate constant harassment from weak minded pilot corporation that pull down the EVE Uni operations.
I can not wait to join and assist with the mission of the University. For now I will have to be happy assisting new pod pilots in the Federal Navy Academy.
Keep it Kicking EVE Uni and for EDEN's sake pilots get you corps together and jump them Yaynkers.
Sethra
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Mysteriax
Eve University
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Posted - 2008.01.08 05:31:00 -
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Eve University just got another wardec from some corp called FRIEND CORP. This really is taking the **** guess more Yarrs and Warbeer to lift the uni's spirits. Hope we can get them on there knees and camp them 24/7 within a day.
They have no idea what they have gotten themselves into, we have our big guns back from holiday together with some very very very mad Uni students who got there heavily fought for peacetime ruined.
We will make Eve drip in blood of our enemies.
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ICdead People
Caldari Girls with Guns
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Posted - 2008.01.08 18:55:00 -
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Edited by: ICdead People on 08/01/2008 18:56:48 Edited by: ICdead People on 08/01/2008 18:55:44 Perhaps it is time for EU to expand. I propose the idea of creating and maintaining an Eve University Campus Guard of EU-trained players that is armed and at the ready to respond to war decs. If potential threats see that EU has the capacity to dispatch trouble right when it starts, they will probably not war dec EU to begin with.
You have many supporters here, which is obvious even after a few days of reading your public channel chat, never mind talking to players at large in the game. I doubt you would have much trouble recruiting members for this force even among alts of EU members and former EU members, besides the player base in general. Please consider and try it before just discounting the thought. You can't just let bullies walk all over years of your own dedication and hard work. Groups like Racketeers are just afraid too many well-trained pilots will emerge and prevent them from continuing to bully new players, so they're trying to stem the tide before it pulls them under once and for all.
Personally, it has been frustrating not being able to join EU, but since I do believe that even motivated newbies can ban together against threats, I would love the chance to be trained by any EU staff even from within a new Campus Guard EU arm and fight these war deccers that way. If you still maintain a policy of "no new players" to avoid potential spies even in this proposed new Campus Guard, I can understand that, though.
But please don't give in to bullying, and consider the idea of an EU Campus Guard. I bet it would really rock.
-ICdead People
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Dee Carson
Caldari Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.01.08 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: ICdead People I propose the idea of creating and maintaining an Eve University Campus Guard of EU-trained players that is armed and at the ready to respond to war decs. If potential threats see that EU has the capacity to dispatch trouble right when it starts, they will probably not war dec EU to begin with.
I draw your attention to the following post by our Fleet Admiral Silentbrick:
A Tradition Reborn
Dee Carson Capt. ILN Mining Director Eve University
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Jaala Creed
Minmatar Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.01.08 20:38:00 -
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When I came online tonight I saw we had another wardec, this time from "P0150N 1VY CORP", an alt corp.
I applaud the ingenuity of the CEO. His bio:
Quote: Absoluely no hostile actions will be taken against Eve University.
They are well worth protecting, and I am willing to pay for a war until the end of the galaxy to prove that is the case.
For anyone considering wars, you should think again - by declaring war on them, you damage Eve itself, including yourself. They will never cease fighting, and are a formidable force.
I bow to P0150N 1VY, whoever he is as his main, in respect.
I am a 4 month old player. I have tried to get into Eve-Online at least 3 times in the past two years, but this time I got hooked and I can tell you for sure that it is because of the help that Eve University gave me with the learning process of this multi-layered game and getting familiar to the different aspecs. As a new player, you get really easily overwhelmed by everything Eve has to offer.
I'd also like to note that I don't dislike the wars, but it gets tiresome to keep missioning to a minimum while we got a war going.
-Jaala
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Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence
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Posted - 2008.01.10 16:16:00 -
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EVE University is one of the nicest corps in the game. Especially as a new player you can't really go wrong with applying with them...
Most people who wardec them are bullies, nothing more - Real world comparisons and reasoning about why they should not be bothered by the wardecs are somewhat lacking, considering that war is at least meant to have a meaning beyond "wanting to be a pain in the arse".
Just because it's possible doesn't mean you have to do it.
EVE History Wiki
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Ikki Phoenix
Gallente The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.02.25 06:33:00 -
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Personally I think Eve Uni is doing a great job and any corp/alliances declaring on them is doing a few things:
1.getting a bad name in Eve.Why?because Eve Uni has a great reputation and is respected and appreciated by all major corps and alliances 2.asking for trouble. Eve Uni may be a teaching university,however they have experienced leaders,experienced pilots and enthusiastic students. That makes for a deadly combination
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jdok
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.03.03 22:54:00 -
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Eve Uni fills a learning vacuum as well as helps players begin to form meaningful social relationships. They do a lot of hard work to benefit eve as a community, and that should be respected. Of course there will always be the occasional clowns that don't, but meh, they'll fade away like all the ones before them. Happy new year Eve Uni, keep it up! ___________________________
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Giligamesh
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Posted - 2008.03.30 14:49:00 -
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First I'd like to apologise for going a bit off-topic on this thread. Anyway, here goes:
I'm a rather new player and have never heard about Eve University until now (Have been playing for about a month now, 1.5mill skillpoints approximately).
Is Eve University an Alliance, Corp or whatnot? I'm part of a small corperation with about 6 people (All of us IRL friends (actually from a place called Aalborg University :P) who just recently started playing Eve. Would Eve University be something for us to consider? If so, how does one come in contact with Eve Univeristy?
Regards, Giligamesh (Yes, Gilgamesh was taken :/ )
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Gelst
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Posted - 2008.03.31 01:17:00 -
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Yes i would recommend eve university to your and your friends. The game EVE has a huge learning curve and joining EVE-UNI will help you be a better pilot. The UNI holds classes that cover everything you want to know. I was in the UNI for a little over 6 months and would recommened the school to anyone that is new to ever looking to be a better pilot. To contact recruitment officers i know they are based in the KORSIKI system. Good Luck! Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. |
Giligamesh
Quest Aerospace
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Posted - 2008.03.31 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: Gelst ^^ || ||
Yes i would recommend eve university to your and your friends. The game EVE has a huge learning curve and joining EVE-UNI will help you be a better pilot. The UNI holds classes that cover everything you want to know. I was in the UNI for a little over 6 months and would recommened the school to anyone that is new to ever looking to be a better pilot. To contact recruitment officers i know they are based in the KORSIKI system. Good Luck!
Thanks :P
Although I don't think it'll ever be a reality, since my friends doesn't seem to be up to the idea, since that'd mean we have to disband our current corp.
Anyway, as a newbie I can say that Eve University definitely has a place in Eve, and that some people defiitely can use Eve University if they strive to learn the game and become a good Eve pilot. My problem was that I didn't notice them earlier than now, and I bet many people miss the fact that Eve University even exists since not many are forum-whoring (Especially not when being a newbie).
Anyway, best of luck, Giligamesh
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