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UGLYUGLY
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Posted - 2008.01.03 15:48:00 -
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Amarr ship changes
I fly all races T1 under BC and all but minmitar BS but some how ending up specialized in amarrą I blame a long long series of drunken nights =P . But no, seriously I love flying amarr, I think that a fair number of their ships are just pure golden/black flying sex. But a fair few of their ships do need some love. I donĘt think that one change across the whole race is the best way forward, but instead looking at each ship individually.
Apocalypse Change the 10% bonus to Large Energy Turret capacitor into 10% reduction in neutralizer capacitor use.
Change two turrets for a missile hard points and loose two high slots, keep the drones as they are.
This gives the ship a nice usefulness and is still in line with Amarrian bonuses. I didnĘt want to leave the turret hard points on or else I foresee a lot of these running around with blasters or auto cannons, not very amarrian but missiles are (since the last patch). (kinda like an amarr scorpion)
Curse and pilgrim
I was thinking of possibly loosing the tracking disruptor bonus on these ships for 10% reduction in neutralizer cap use. Make these ships cap stable running more neutralizers, make Neuts their primary form of EW and weapon.
Possibly also buffing the curses neutralizer range to maybe 50-60% per lvl. As neuts would be their only form of EW
These are my ideas for 3 of the amarrian ships, please feel free to comment on them constructively and add any other additional ideas you might have for other amarr ships. Hmmm, I seem to have a thing for neuts.
On a personal note I would love to see that 7th high slot on the absolution changed to a mid, but thatĘs just me being greedy =P.
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Riho
Northen Breeze
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Posted - 2008.01.03 16:03:00 -
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no and no for the curse thing... its op enough atm.... any sub BS ship will be whitout cap in matter of seconds atm. makeing that change would be insane.
and TD are amarr EW.... deal whit it.. i have. ---------------------------------- Seems that there's a new game that seems to be very popular whit whiners these days. Its called EFT Online.
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UGLYUGLY
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Posted - 2008.01.03 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Riho no and no for the curse thing... its op enough atm.... any sub BS ship will be whitout cap in matter of seconds atm. makeing that change would be insane.
and TD are amarr EW.... deal whit it.. i have.
I don't have TD fitted on my curse and pilgrim just for looks =P
The curse, pilgrim apoc won't be able to kill cap any faster, just do it longer. If They want to fit more neuts they will have to sacrafice something to fit them.
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Shevar
Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2008.01.03 18:15:00 -
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Edited by: Shevar on 03/01/2008 18:16:35
Originally by: Riho no and no for the curse thing... its op enough atm.... any sub BS ship will be whitout cap in matter of seconds atm. makeing that change would be insane.
and TD are amarr EW.... deal whit it.. i have.
30 cap/s per neut, generally you can fit 3 neuts orso to a pilgrim/curse. So you can currently neut roughly 90 cap/s. A battle cruiser has roughly 3500 cap.
Interesting definition of "seconds" since it takes roughly 40 seconds before capping out due to neuting. Specially since that same BC will be insta locked down (as in directly after activation, you would probably call it EVEN BEFORE I ACTIVATED THAT ECM MODULE ZOMG) by for example a rook or falcon. --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs |
Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2008.01.03 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Riho no and no for the curse thing... its op enough atm.... any sub BS ship will be whitout cap in matter of seconds atm. makeing that change would be insane.
and TD are amarr EW.... deal whit it.. i have.
Yeah lets shoot down everything that would make a good amarr battleship. We dont want that, do we... ---------------------------------------------
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DeadRow
Naqam
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Posted - 2008.01.03 18:34:00 -
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The Apoc does need buffing but I dunno about making it a neut boat.
and imo all the pilgrim needs really is a neut range bonus so you dont have to be so 'in your face' with it.
Curse is pretty decent as it is in small gang, imo.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2008.01.03 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: DeadRow The Apoc does need buffing but I dunno about making it a neut boat.
and imo all the pilgrim needs really is a neut range bonus so you dont have to be so 'in your face' with it.
Curse is pretty decent as it is in small gang, imo.
In the end I dont care what it gets as long as it is as powerful as any other races TIER TWO battleship. ---------------------------------------------
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UGLYUGLY
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Posted - 2008.01.03 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: DeadRow The Apoc does need buffing but I dunno about making it a neut boat.
and imo all the pilgrim needs really is a neut range bonus so you dont have to be so 'in your face' with it.
Curse is pretty decent as it is in small gang, imo.
I'm claustrophobic So i like to do my thinking outside the box . But seriousely seeing how radical the changes to the SAC, damnation and maladiction made them such awesome ships, I wanted to do something similarly radical.
In days past, only those in high favor with the Emperor could hope to earn the reward of commanding one of the majestic and powerful Apocalypse class battleships. In latter years, even though now in full market circulation, these golden, metallic monstrosities are still feared and respected as enduring symbols of Amarrian might.
Give the apoc the neut bonuse and it will live up to it's discription.
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Iria Ahrens
Amarr 101st Space Marine Force
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Posted - 2008.01.03 19:49:00 -
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Edited by: Iria Ahrens on 03/01/2008 19:53:26 Personally, I'd like to see a BS drone boat.
Amarr are apparently the "other" drone race. We are the only race besides gallente to have a drone cruiser and a drone frigate: Arbitrator and Sentinel respectively. It's about time to extend that role to our BSs.
Having 3 different BSs that essentially fill the same role is overly redundant. We basically have 3 blaster ships. At least one of our BS should fill a significantly different role. I think it should be a Drone BS. After all, since we are the other drone race, and it has proven so successful in our cruisers, it only makes sense that we would seriously implement them in our BS as well. Essentially, make the Apoc a BS sized Arb and that would be great
A Viziam Apoc would be the best candidate for this since it already has the largest drone bay and bandwidth. At the very least, a faction drone Apoc would fit with existing Amarr weapons setups, just one size bigger.
Another thing we could do is make a Khanid BS that is a missile boat. We do have a missile command ship after all.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.01.03 19:53:00 -
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if you did that to the apoc then amarr wouldn't have any sniper bs, and then it still needs cap rigs and fitting mods
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Iria Ahrens
Amarr 101st Space Marine Force
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Posted - 2008.01.03 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton if you did that to the apoc then amarr wouldn't have any sniper bs, and then it still needs cap rigs and fitting mods
sentinels?
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2008.01.03 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton if you did that to the apoc then amarr wouldn't have any sniper bs, and then it still needs cap rigs and fitting mods
Abaddon is a sniper. High damage and high passive resist tank. Who needs a half-assed sniper like the tach apoc? ---------------------------------------------
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.01.03 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton if you did that to the apoc then amarr wouldn't have any sniper bs, and then it still needs cap rigs and fitting mods
Abaddon is a sniper. High damage and high passive resist tank. Who needs a half-assed sniper like the tach apoc?
right who needs cap
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.01.03 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: Iria Ahrens Edited by: Iria Ahrens on 03/01/2008 20:16:14
Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton if you did that to the apoc then amarr wouldn't have any sniper bs, and then it still needs cap rigs and fitting mods
sentry drones?
how well do they snipe?
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2008.01.03 21:34:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton if you did that to the apoc then amarr wouldn't have any sniper bs, and then it still needs cap rigs and fitting mods
Abaddon is a sniper. High damage and high passive resist tank. Who needs a half-assed sniper like the tach apoc?
right who needs cap
Then the problem with the abaddon is its weaponry isnt it? To say that we have apoc as fleet sniper and apoc therefore doesnt need a boost is fail. Because abaddon is supposed to be able to snipe with tachs. ccp fail. ---------------------------------------------
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UGLYUGLY
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Posted - 2008.01.04 13:06:00 -
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Personally I would like to loose a so so fleet ship for an awesome gang ship.
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Catelco
Segunda Fundacion
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Posted - 2008.01.04 13:59:00 -
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IMHO BS's are generic ships, not specialized PVP ships like recon cruisers. They must be usable for PVP and PVE as well, so no, CCP is not going to turn Apocalypse into a neutralizer or smartbomb BS, as they would render them next to useless to any form PVE.
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Gartel Reiman
Project F3
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Posted - 2008.01.04 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: Catelco IMHO BS's are generic ships, not specialized PVP ships like recon cruisers. They must be usable for PVP and PVE as well, so no, CCP is not going to turn Apocalypse into a neutralizer or smartbomb BS, as they would render them next to useless to any form PVE.
But then the Scorpion is most definitely an ECM boat, and that's just as useless at PVE as neuts are. So that argument cannot hold.
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Sofring Eternus
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.01.04 15:38:00 -
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I would like to see the Apoc remain as is, and have the PG on Tach's lowered to 75% of current value. In fact, I would like all Beam Energy Weapons to have their PG lowered by 23%.
I would like Neuts to either consume have the cap per cycle as they do now, or reduce the activation time and the cap use by half, to double the cap neutralized but keep the cap drain for running them constant.
I think that would be enough Oomph to tide the Amarr over for awhile. --- ΞνΞ ΘΠLІΠΞ Amarr dont need Grr... and RAWR is definately too much, but some Oomph would be nice. |
Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2008.01.04 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Gartel Reiman
Originally by: Catelco IMHO BS's are generic ships, not specialized PVP ships like recon cruisers. They must be usable for PVP and PVE as well, so no, CCP is not going to turn Apocalypse into a neutralizer or smartbomb BS, as they would render them next to useless to any form PVE.
But then the Scorpion is most definitely an ECM boat, and that's just as useless at PVE as neuts are. So that argument cannot hold.
Exactly. ---------------------------------------------
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Antikas Sourr
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.01.04 17:50:00 -
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Edited by: Antikas Sourr on 04/01/2008 17:50:11 For the Apocalypse, I would remove the reduction in cap usage or the bonus to cap amount and give it a 10% bonus to laser weaponry optimal range. That would make things interesting. _______________
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Catelco
Segunda Fundacion
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Posted - 2008.01.04 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Gartel Reiman
But then the Scorpion is most definitely an ECM boat, and that's just as useless at PVE as neuts are. So that argument cannot hold.
Yes you had a point here, I was thinking more on the Smartbomb Apoc that often appears on the forums. YEs , a Neut Apoc will be still usable in pve if it retains its current capabilities
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Seeing EyeDog
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Posted - 2008.01.04 18:43:00 -
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HOLY SHYT! ANOTHER TOPIC ON THIS....STOP IT NOW! _____________________
Originally by: Locus Bey Intelligence isn't a prequisite for being a Goon, in fact its a deficit.
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UGLYUGLY
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Posted - 2008.01.05 11:38:00 -
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I probably should have named it's "changing amarr to use neuts"
By the way, DOSE THIS READ LIKE I AM SHOUTING!!!???
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Vixeon
Terra Incognita Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2008.01.05 13:07:00 -
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Amarr lack a Sniper BS. 10% bonus to optimal per level and 10% reduction in cap use for guns.
Lose a high and gain a low would be nice too.
Current cap bonus is useless imo.
Nuets are a *** weapon anyway.
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Mrski Okupator
Amarr The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.01.05 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: Catelco IMHO BS's are generic ships, not specialized PVP ships like recon cruisers. They must be usable for PVP and PVE as well, so no, CCP is not going to turn Apocalypse into a neutralizer or smartbomb BS, as they would render them next to useless to any form PVE.
LOL. No, scratch that; ROFL!
All three Amarr BS are a variation of the same thing. And either way, for PvE: Abaddon > Armageddon > Apocalypse.
And tell me, how many Caldari PvE in a Rokh (pure and intended sniper) or a Scorp (PvP only)? Or Gallente in anything other than the Domi? Generic my arse!
I'm not even selling, I'm giving avay clues; and you sure need one. ___ Apocalypse Mining. Mine your way to heaven.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2008.01.06 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: Mrski Okupator Edited by: Mrski Okupator on 05/01/2008 19:07:02
Originally by: Catelco IMHO BS's are generic ships, not specialized PVP ships like recon cruisers. They must be usable for PVP and PVE as well, so no, CCP is not going to turn Apocalypse into a neutralizer or smartbomb BS, as they would render them next to useless to any form PVE.
LOL. No, scratch that; ROFL!
All three Amarr BS are a variation of the same thing. And either way, for PvE: Abaddon > Armageddon > Apocalypse.
And tell me, how many Caldari PvE in a Rokh (pure and intended sniper) or a Scorp (PvP only)? Or Gallente in anything other than the Domi? Generic my arse!
I'm not even selling, I'm giving avay clues; and you sure need one.
edit: And NO, Amarr are not lacking a sniper. All three BS can fill the role. And are on par with the Minnie and Frenchie ones. It's the Calamari one that stands out.
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