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Chiggy W
Hard-Luck Industries
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Posted - 2012.02.08 16:48:00 -
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Leader of RA admits to large scale RMT.
CCP, Ban this swine, and trace the ISK traded, and ban those involved. This is insane. The original recording (in Russian) is here
There are threads on K-u-gu.com and here linky
Someone has translated the meeting into english. See other threads for for full text as I have reached the character limit.
Quote: Silent Dodger > The main news, that I think we should start with, is that I am abandoning the post of Red Alliance CEO. And now, to what is the reason for this.
I initially wanted to tell a long story explaining the what, why, and how, but let's go over the main points. I came to RA, basically, at a time when there was no leadership. That is, when FIREKNIGHT quit EVE, and stopped running gangs, when RAZDOLBAI [no idea who - ed.] wanted to, or didn't want to sell [the alliance? - ed.]GǪ I don't know, but nevertheless, when the alliance was left without a command structure.
The alliance was dear to me, it was already dear to me then. I started playing EVE to lead, well, not lead, but to play for RA. So I became the CEO. Basically, I became the CEO with mactep's [Solar Fleet CEO - ed.] blessing. He said thatGǪ if you can remember, at that time we had no allies, there was some shaky relationship with xxDeathxx, and when I came to talk to mactep he said "I don't want to deal with FIRE+èNIGHT, how about you become the CEO". I said "ok". You all know and remember what happened after that.
My idea for the alliance was to build an independent, politically powerful, and strong empire. This was reflected in my demands for space, for the number of supers, and pilot skill. We accomplished that goal, in my opinion, by the end of last year [2010 - ed.]. That is personally my opinion.
I wont mention all the stories, all the battles, everything that happened someone might have good connotation someone bad.
I consider that what was reached by the alliance in terms of political and military capabilities was a worthy result. As an end goal for my job, I think that I reached the level that I wanted to reach. To repeat, this is the situation at the end of 2010. What happened starting the following summer will be discussed separately.
During the Northern campaign again NC, a situation arose where i had nothing to do in EVE. I'll explain why. When you become the CEO of an alliance, your ego levels peak. Despite what anyone would say, this happens to everyone. And when you realize that you are the CEO of the alliance, and a situation arises where Psihozz [ White Noize CEO - ed.] starts to do everything. And when you give him the command over all of your alliance members, you begin to understand that there can only be one leader, and that leader is Psihozz, because he is leading and doing the brunt of the work. The wish to play, to lead something, basically disappears.
xxx > Were you offended
Silent Dodger > No, I was not. I ask to take my words literarily. I am not going to blame anyone. Nor was I in any way offended. I just lost interest. I had no reason to play anymore. And slowly I started to drift away from the game.
Around that time, my mother had some health problems, and, basically, that was when I joined the ranks of RMT. I sold my first titan. My first Ragnarok which you all can remember.
yyy > Two people are already recording, I don't thing...
Silent Dodger > I know. I don't care, I will tell it how it was, and you can judge after that.
I just want everyone to understand the motivation that I had. After that, closer to summer, I took a prolonged vacation and said that I will return in a few months, but that didn't happen.
I didn't just leave for real life, I left to work. To the regional government of Samara. I managed to stay there for three (3) months, and i think that this vacation, well first of all it coincided with the Northern Campaign. And second of all it coincided with a situation where I took on some financial obligations in real life which significantly affected my further actions and decisions. Basically I took a loan to buy a car. With the expectation that I would have a great wage, everything would be okay, and etc. etc.
When I came to work, i realized that, first of all, to have any say in anything there I would have had to work there for at least 20 years. Second of all, it's a system where, by default, you're assumed to be ****, and all your experience and knowledge is irrelevant GÇô you just have to obey. My character isn't very good at obeying others. So, after three (3) months I quit the job, with my head held high, but my financial obligations remained.
And that was when I luckily, well, "luckily", met some people who were professionally involved with RMT. And they offered to help me. To convert ISK into real money. That was how it began. During the next 3 months I quietly moved ISK into real life money; my own, on my corporation's wallet, some people even donated. Who knew about my situation helped how they can.
Later what happened was that the ISK exchange rate fell, i.e. the lower the exchange rate, the more ISK I needed. Eventually in January I took 60kkk (60 BILLION) from the alliance wallet. I believe that if i hadn't done that, then RA financial situation right now would have been slightly better.
At the same time, I began to notice that I cannot lead fleets, because I join a fleet and do not know what to do. My pvp skill fell to zero because I basically didn't play since the northern campaign. Hence I couldn't demand anything from pilots.
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
347
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Posted - 2012.02.08 16:50:00 -
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/Sits back with popcorn and a tasty beverage.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
390
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Posted - 2012.02.08 17:14:00 -
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/me waits for the lack of CCP response and grabs some of Fury's popcorn. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Akatenshi Xi
Elite Shadow Society ESS Empire
16
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Posted - 2012.02.08 17:16:00 -
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We all already know this is what the major Russian powerblocks do with their isk. Surprise? No. Violation of ToS? Yes. |
Ajita al Tchar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
27
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Posted - 2012.02.08 17:17:00 -
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/waits for CCP to ban everyone involved, including those who donated ISK to the man knowing of his financial situation IRL, obviously with the assumption that he'll transfer said ISK to RL money.
/gets old waiting and dies |
mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
133
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Posted - 2012.02.08 17:31:00 -
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Anyone involved in RMT (selling or buying) should be permabanned without a second chance. There should also be a permanent warning of this somewhere during the login process.
Stuff like this happens because the penalties are not severe enough. RMT kills MMOs. |
Fuee
Cupcake Catapults
0
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Posted - 2012.02.08 17:31:00 -
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I actually posted that and it was all a lie. |
Naga Elohim
Modern Mining Industries Space Mongolians
3
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Posted - 2012.02.08 17:34:00 -
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CCP wants pics or it didn't happen. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3094
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Posted - 2012.02.08 17:35:00 -
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And you consider a forum post worthy evidence? Soki would abuse the hell out of this if it worked.
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Chiggy W
Hard-Luck Industries
17
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Posted - 2012.02.08 17:39:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:And you consider a forum post worthy evidence? Soki would abuse the hell out of this if it worked.
I actually consider the recording evidence, and the forums post in multiple forums simply as supporting evidence. I don't personally speak Russian, however the people I play with do. It has been verified on our internal alliance forums and matches what people are saying publicly, so I doubt it's a troll.
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Othran
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
166
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Posted - 2012.02.08 17:48:00 -
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Chiggy W wrote:Nova Fox wrote:And you consider a forum post worthy evidence? Soki would abuse the hell out of this if it worked. I actually consider the recording evidence, and the forums post in multiple forums simply as supporting evidence. I don't personally speak Russian, however the people I play with do. It has been verified on our internal alliance forums and matches what people are saying publicly, so I doubt it's a troll.
Its hardly new is it?
tl;dr alliance leader fecks off with a load of iskies for RMT, which of course has never happened before, not for houses or cars or medical bills. No sir. |
seany1212
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
82
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Posted - 2012.02.08 17:50:00 -
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INB4 CCP do nothing but lock thread. |
namron 7
1-800-FUBAR
8
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Posted - 2012.02.08 17:53:00 -
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I thought it was well known that the russians like to pay the rent with this game. Thanks for the help |
Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
144
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Posted - 2012.02.08 18:00:00 -
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In before the topic gets moved to Forum lowsec. |
Chiggy W
Hard-Luck Industries
19
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Posted - 2012.02.08 18:01:00 -
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namron 7 wrote:I thought it was well known that the russians like to pay the rent with this game.
It's not only Russians that do this, however they are the most "obvious". The average RA member had nothing to do with this I'm sure, and are probably pretty angry about the fact that their hard earned ISK was used by the the leader they trusted for personal profit.
As for action from CCP, I doubt we will see any (apart from this thread being locked and a forum ban for me). It makes me angry that this goes on in game, and while CCP bleat on about how they fight the RMT trade, when something like this comes out, given the scale it's hard to believe that CCP are doing anything about it at all.
If it was a couple billion here and there, I could understand them missing it, but many billions over a year (including 60 Bil last month), plus numerous super caps and who knows what else. how do they miss this?
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baltec1
572
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Posted - 2012.02.08 18:02:00 -
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A russian selling isk? But that never happens! |
Ira Theos
Viziam Amarr Empire
36
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Posted - 2012.02.08 18:34:00 -
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Hmm... According to those who responded to my numerous posts about Eve being saturated with RMT and Botting vermin, none of this sort of thing ever happens. No, really ! They assured me of the fact. So.... I guess there is nothing to see here. Right?
Now move along ! |
MNagy
Yo-Mama Quixotic Hegemony
75
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Posted - 2012.02.08 18:46:00 -
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For those of us who would have to go google what RMT stands for ( including me ) when it relates to online gaming...
Real Money Transfer
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Duck Mouth
Nebula Mining and Manufacturing
1
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Posted - 2012.02.08 18:48:00 -
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WOOO IN BEFORE THREAD LOCK!!!
Did anyone violate the TOS or EULA? no?
no ban...
move on... nothing to see here.... |
adopt
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
232
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Posted - 2012.02.08 18:59:00 -
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INB4 LOCK
Also what russian alliance doesn't RMT/bot. Shadoo > Always remember to fit Cynosural Field Generator I, have 450 Liquid Ozone in your cargo and convo a friendly Pandemic Legion member if you have a capital or super capital ship tackled. |
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Stonecrusher Mortlock
University of Caille Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.02.08 19:05:00 -
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Move along nothing to see here no such thing as RMT.
I SAID MOVE ALONG.
i wonder who the Pro RMTers where that contacted him where and i guess he is so scared of them he forgot to say who they where SHAME ON YOU |
Soma Khan
State War Academy Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2012.02.08 19:10:00 -
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adopt wrote:INB4 LOCK
Also what alliance doesn't RMT/bot. fyp |
Hakaru Ishiwara
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
72
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Posted - 2012.02.08 19:10:00 -
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The ONLY thing that CCP listens to is the sound of the cash rolling into their bank accounts.
If the legitimate and ToS obeying subscribers out-weigh the RMTing crews, then CCP will take action. Otherwise, then it is business as usual in Iceland.
Will CCP address botting / RMT'ing and its quality of game play and economic impact at FanFest?
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FeralShadow
Mom 'n' Pop Ammo Shoppe R.E.P.O.
50
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Posted - 2012.02.08 19:14:00 -
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/me waits for RA to fall apart.
Has it happened yet??? They've died and come back so many times they're like a facking zombie. Who's got a flamethrower??? |
Hainnz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
82
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Posted - 2012.02.08 19:18:00 -
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This is why I kind of like high PLEX prices. |
Minabunny
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2012.02.08 19:19:00 -
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So he had some monetary problems and his mother was ill. If he used a game to increase his income to help his mother good on him. Family before pixels. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
326
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Posted - 2012.02.08 19:27:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:/Sits back with popcorn and a tasty beverage.
Mr Kidd wrote:/me waits for the lack of CCP response and grabs some of Fury's popcorn. /slurping a crystal pepsi waiting and watching...
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Ira Theos
Viziam Amarr Empire
36
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Posted - 2012.02.08 19:32:00 -
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Chiggy W wrote:namron 7 wrote:I thought it was well known that the russians like to pay the rent with this game. It's not only Russians that do this, however they are the most "obvious". The average RA member had nothing to do with this I'm sure, and are probably pretty angry about the fact that their hard earned ISK was used by the the leader they trusted for personal profit. As for action from CCP, I doubt we will see any (apart from this thread being locked and a forum ban for me). It makes me angry that this goes on in game, and while CCP bleat on about how they fight the RMT trade, when something like this comes out, given the scale it's hard to believe that CCP are doing anything about it at all. If it was a couple billion here and there, I could understand them missing it, but many billions over a year (including 60 Bil last month), plus numerous super caps and who knows what else. how do they miss this?
I completely agree. Large scale RMT and high visibility sale of items like supercap sales can't occur without being perfectly obvious to CCP.
Wake up and smell the coffee>>>
Who is this man? >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bj+¦rg+¦lfur_Thor_Bj+¦rg+¦lfsson
What is his relationship to this company and CCP? >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novator_Partners
What is the connection between Zero RMT Corps, RMT websites, and people connected to the above?
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
332
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Posted - 2012.02.08 19:34:00 -
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lol "silent doger" |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1036
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Posted - 2012.02.08 19:36:00 -
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My "Dev Lock Incoming" meter is buzzing...I really am not sure why... EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
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