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Chiggy W
Hard-Luck Industries
16
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Posted - 2012.02.08 16:48:00 -
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Leader of RA admits to large scale RMT.
CCP, Ban this swine, and trace the ISK traded, and ban those involved. This is insane. The original recording (in Russian) is here
There are threads on K-u-gu.com and here linky
Someone has translated the meeting into english. See other threads for for full text as I have reached the character limit.
Quote: Silent Dodger > The main news, that I think we should start with, is that I am abandoning the post of Red Alliance CEO. And now, to what is the reason for this.
I initially wanted to tell a long story explaining the what, why, and how, but let's go over the main points. I came to RA, basically, at a time when there was no leadership. That is, when FIREKNIGHT quit EVE, and stopped running gangs, when RAZDOLBAI [no idea who - ed.] wanted to, or didn't want to sell [the alliance? - ed.]GǪ I don't know, but nevertheless, when the alliance was left without a command structure.
The alliance was dear to me, it was already dear to me then. I started playing EVE to lead, well, not lead, but to play for RA. So I became the CEO. Basically, I became the CEO with mactep's [Solar Fleet CEO - ed.] blessing. He said thatGǪ if you can remember, at that time we had no allies, there was some shaky relationship with xxDeathxx, and when I came to talk to mactep he said "I don't want to deal with FIRE+èNIGHT, how about you become the CEO". I said "ok". You all know and remember what happened after that.
My idea for the alliance was to build an independent, politically powerful, and strong empire. This was reflected in my demands for space, for the number of supers, and pilot skill. We accomplished that goal, in my opinion, by the end of last year [2010 - ed.]. That is personally my opinion.
I wont mention all the stories, all the battles, everything that happened someone might have good connotation someone bad.
I consider that what was reached by the alliance in terms of political and military capabilities was a worthy result. As an end goal for my job, I think that I reached the level that I wanted to reach. To repeat, this is the situation at the end of 2010. What happened starting the following summer will be discussed separately.
During the Northern campaign again NC, a situation arose where i had nothing to do in EVE. I'll explain why. When you become the CEO of an alliance, your ego levels peak. Despite what anyone would say, this happens to everyone. And when you realize that you are the CEO of the alliance, and a situation arises where Psihozz [ White Noize CEO - ed.] starts to do everything. And when you give him the command over all of your alliance members, you begin to understand that there can only be one leader, and that leader is Psihozz, because he is leading and doing the brunt of the work. The wish to play, to lead something, basically disappears.
xxx > Were you offended
Silent Dodger > No, I was not. I ask to take my words literarily. I am not going to blame anyone. Nor was I in any way offended. I just lost interest. I had no reason to play anymore. And slowly I started to drift away from the game.
Around that time, my mother had some health problems, and, basically, that was when I joined the ranks of RMT. I sold my first titan. My first Ragnarok which you all can remember.
yyy > Two people are already recording, I don't thing...
Silent Dodger > I know. I don't care, I will tell it how it was, and you can judge after that.
I just want everyone to understand the motivation that I had. After that, closer to summer, I took a prolonged vacation and said that I will return in a few months, but that didn't happen.
I didn't just leave for real life, I left to work. To the regional government of Samara. I managed to stay there for three (3) months, and i think that this vacation, well first of all it coincided with the Northern Campaign. And second of all it coincided with a situation where I took on some financial obligations in real life which significantly affected my further actions and decisions. Basically I took a loan to buy a car. With the expectation that I would have a great wage, everything would be okay, and etc. etc.
When I came to work, i realized that, first of all, to have any say in anything there I would have had to work there for at least 20 years. Second of all, it's a system where, by default, you're assumed to be ****, and all your experience and knowledge is irrelevant GÇô you just have to obey. My character isn't very good at obeying others. So, after three (3) months I quit the job, with my head held high, but my financial obligations remained.
And that was when I luckily, well, "luckily", met some people who were professionally involved with RMT. And they offered to help me. To convert ISK into real money. That was how it began. During the next 3 months I quietly moved ISK into real life money; my own, on my corporation's wallet, some people even donated. Who knew about my situation helped how they can.
Later what happened was that the ISK exchange rate fell, i.e. the lower the exchange rate, the more ISK I needed. Eventually in January I took 60kkk (60 BILLION) from the alliance wallet. I believe that if i hadn't done that, then RA financial situation right now would have been slightly better.
At the same time, I began to notice that I cannot lead fleets, because I join a fleet and do not know what to do. My pvp skill fell to zero because I basically didn't play since the northern campaign. Hence I couldn't demand anything from pilots.
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
347
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Posted - 2012.02.08 16:50:00 -
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/Sits back with popcorn and a tasty beverage.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
390
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Posted - 2012.02.08 17:14:00 -
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/me waits for the lack of CCP response and grabs some of Fury's popcorn. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Akatenshi Xi
Elite Shadow Society ESS Empire
16
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Posted - 2012.02.08 17:16:00 -
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We all already know this is what the major Russian powerblocks do with their isk. Surprise? No. Violation of ToS? Yes. |
Ajita al Tchar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
27
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Posted - 2012.02.08 17:17:00 -
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/waits for CCP to ban everyone involved, including those who donated ISK to the man knowing of his financial situation IRL, obviously with the assumption that he'll transfer said ISK to RL money.
/gets old waiting and dies |
mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
133
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Posted - 2012.02.08 17:31:00 -
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Anyone involved in RMT (selling or buying) should be permabanned without a second chance. There should also be a permanent warning of this somewhere during the login process.
Stuff like this happens because the penalties are not severe enough. RMT kills MMOs. |
Fuee
Cupcake Catapults
0
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Posted - 2012.02.08 17:31:00 -
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I actually posted that and it was all a lie. |
Naga Elohim
Modern Mining Industries Space Mongolians
3
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Posted - 2012.02.08 17:34:00 -
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CCP wants pics or it didn't happen. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3094
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Posted - 2012.02.08 17:35:00 -
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And you consider a forum post worthy evidence? Soki would abuse the hell out of this if it worked.
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Chiggy W
Hard-Luck Industries
17
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Posted - 2012.02.08 17:39:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:And you consider a forum post worthy evidence? Soki would abuse the hell out of this if it worked.
I actually consider the recording evidence, and the forums post in multiple forums simply as supporting evidence. I don't personally speak Russian, however the people I play with do. It has been verified on our internal alliance forums and matches what people are saying publicly, so I doubt it's a troll.
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Othran
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
166
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Posted - 2012.02.08 17:48:00 -
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Chiggy W wrote:Nova Fox wrote:And you consider a forum post worthy evidence? Soki would abuse the hell out of this if it worked. I actually consider the recording evidence, and the forums post in multiple forums simply as supporting evidence. I don't personally speak Russian, however the people I play with do. It has been verified on our internal alliance forums and matches what people are saying publicly, so I doubt it's a troll.
Its hardly new is it?
tl;dr alliance leader fecks off with a load of iskies for RMT, which of course has never happened before, not for houses or cars or medical bills. No sir. |
seany1212
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
82
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Posted - 2012.02.08 17:50:00 -
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INB4 CCP do nothing but lock thread. |
namron 7
1-800-FUBAR
8
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Posted - 2012.02.08 17:53:00 -
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I thought it was well known that the russians like to pay the rent with this game. Thanks for the help |
Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
144
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Posted - 2012.02.08 18:00:00 -
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In before the topic gets moved to Forum lowsec. |
Chiggy W
Hard-Luck Industries
19
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Posted - 2012.02.08 18:01:00 -
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namron 7 wrote:I thought it was well known that the russians like to pay the rent with this game.
It's not only Russians that do this, however they are the most "obvious". The average RA member had nothing to do with this I'm sure, and are probably pretty angry about the fact that their hard earned ISK was used by the the leader they trusted for personal profit.
As for action from CCP, I doubt we will see any (apart from this thread being locked and a forum ban for me). It makes me angry that this goes on in game, and while CCP bleat on about how they fight the RMT trade, when something like this comes out, given the scale it's hard to believe that CCP are doing anything about it at all.
If it was a couple billion here and there, I could understand them missing it, but many billions over a year (including 60 Bil last month), plus numerous super caps and who knows what else. how do they miss this?
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baltec1
572
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Posted - 2012.02.08 18:02:00 -
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A russian selling isk? But that never happens! |
Ira Theos
Viziam Amarr Empire
36
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Posted - 2012.02.08 18:34:00 -
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Hmm... According to those who responded to my numerous posts about Eve being saturated with RMT and Botting vermin, none of this sort of thing ever happens. No, really ! They assured me of the fact. So.... I guess there is nothing to see here. Right?
Now move along ! |
MNagy
Yo-Mama Quixotic Hegemony
75
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Posted - 2012.02.08 18:46:00 -
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For those of us who would have to go google what RMT stands for ( including me ) when it relates to online gaming...
Real Money Transfer
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Duck Mouth
Nebula Mining and Manufacturing
1
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Posted - 2012.02.08 18:48:00 -
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WOOO IN BEFORE THREAD LOCK!!!
Did anyone violate the TOS or EULA? no?
no ban...
move on... nothing to see here.... |
adopt
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
232
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Posted - 2012.02.08 18:59:00 -
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INB4 LOCK
Also what russian alliance doesn't RMT/bot. Shadoo > Always remember to fit Cynosural Field Generator I, have 450 Liquid Ozone in your cargo and convo a friendly Pandemic Legion member if you have a capital or super capital ship tackled. |
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Stonecrusher Mortlock
University of Caille Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.02.08 19:05:00 -
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Move along nothing to see here no such thing as RMT.
I SAID MOVE ALONG.
i wonder who the Pro RMTers where that contacted him where and i guess he is so scared of them he forgot to say who they where SHAME ON YOU |
Soma Khan
State War Academy Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2012.02.08 19:10:00 -
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adopt wrote:INB4 LOCK
Also what alliance doesn't RMT/bot. fyp |
Hakaru Ishiwara
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
72
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Posted - 2012.02.08 19:10:00 -
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The ONLY thing that CCP listens to is the sound of the cash rolling into their bank accounts.
If the legitimate and ToS obeying subscribers out-weigh the RMTing crews, then CCP will take action. Otherwise, then it is business as usual in Iceland.
Will CCP address botting / RMT'ing and its quality of game play and economic impact at FanFest?
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FeralShadow
Mom 'n' Pop Ammo Shoppe R.E.P.O.
50
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Posted - 2012.02.08 19:14:00 -
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/me waits for RA to fall apart.
Has it happened yet??? They've died and come back so many times they're like a facking zombie. Who's got a flamethrower??? |
Hainnz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
82
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Posted - 2012.02.08 19:18:00 -
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This is why I kind of like high PLEX prices. |
Minabunny
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2012.02.08 19:19:00 -
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So he had some monetary problems and his mother was ill. If he used a game to increase his income to help his mother good on him. Family before pixels. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
326
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Posted - 2012.02.08 19:27:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:/Sits back with popcorn and a tasty beverage.
Mr Kidd wrote:/me waits for the lack of CCP response and grabs some of Fury's popcorn. /slurping a crystal pepsi waiting and watching...
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Ira Theos
Viziam Amarr Empire
36
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Posted - 2012.02.08 19:32:00 -
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Chiggy W wrote:namron 7 wrote:I thought it was well known that the russians like to pay the rent with this game. It's not only Russians that do this, however they are the most "obvious". The average RA member had nothing to do with this I'm sure, and are probably pretty angry about the fact that their hard earned ISK was used by the the leader they trusted for personal profit. As for action from CCP, I doubt we will see any (apart from this thread being locked and a forum ban for me). It makes me angry that this goes on in game, and while CCP bleat on about how they fight the RMT trade, when something like this comes out, given the scale it's hard to believe that CCP are doing anything about it at all. If it was a couple billion here and there, I could understand them missing it, but many billions over a year (including 60 Bil last month), plus numerous super caps and who knows what else. how do they miss this?
I completely agree. Large scale RMT and high visibility sale of items like supercap sales can't occur without being perfectly obvious to CCP.
Wake up and smell the coffee>>>
Who is this man? >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bj+¦rg+¦lfur_Thor_Bj+¦rg+¦lfsson
What is his relationship to this company and CCP? >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novator_Partners
What is the connection between Zero RMT Corps, RMT websites, and people connected to the above?
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
332
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Posted - 2012.02.08 19:34:00 -
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lol "silent doger" |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1036
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Posted - 2012.02.08 19:36:00 -
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My "Dev Lock Incoming" meter is buzzing...I really am not sure why... EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1203
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Posted - 2012.02.08 19:40:00 -
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Nothing new here, but now I realize that when you AFK Cloak in 0.0 making their bots dock up, and they rage in local like you are killing somebody's mother, you might actually be killing somebody's mother.
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Ira Theos
Viziam Amarr Empire
36
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Posted - 2012.02.08 19:43:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Nothing new here, but now I realize that when you AFK Cloak in 0.0 making their bots dock up, and they rage in local like you are killing somebody's mother, you might actually be killing somebody's mother.
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Buzzmong
Aliastra Gallente Federation
131
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Posted - 2012.02.08 19:44:00 -
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@ OP
If you want these seriously looked at, file a petition.
OR
Send an email to CCP Screegs. He's posted his email ([email protected]) lots of times and he takes a very strong interest in RMT'ers. |
Ajita al Tchar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2012.02.08 19:47:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Nothing new here, but now I realize that when you AFK Cloak in 0.0 making their bots dock up, and they rage in local like you are killing somebody's mother, you might actually be killing somebody's mother.
I lol'd
Also you're making them default on their loan for a shiny new car (suffering painful consequences as a result of ******** decisions? that's only how EVE works, real world is supposed to be kind and gentle and tolerant of stupid).
ah Internet sob stories. |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
391
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Posted - 2012.02.08 20:09:00 -
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Chiggy W wrote:....it's hard to believe that CCP are doing anything about it at all.
Of course CCP is doing something about it!! They take their cut and tell us how they're working hard with.....er......for.....no......against.....yeah......against RMT. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
OfBalance
Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2012.02.08 21:09:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Nothing new here, but now I realize that when you AFK Cloak in 0.0 making their bots dock up, and they rage in local like you are killing somebody's mother, you might actually be killing somebody's mother.
Priceless. |
Nub Sauce
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.02.08 21:20:00 -
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So he quit his job and decided it would be better to violate the ToS and assist in ruining the economy of a game that most of us enjoy. Because he couldn't handle working a job where's he's a worker bee that needs to take orders. Whaa whaa... that's most jobs in the world. HTFU?
Sounds childish to me. Can't say I sympathize. The vast majority of people have had to work at least one job that they hated just to pay the bills. It sucks, but that's what you do when you're an adult and have financial obligations. Find another job rather than crapping in everyone's sandbox.
I hope that CCP bans all involved. |
HELIC0N ONE
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
80
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Posted - 2012.02.08 21:26:00 -
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brb, posting a soundcloud file where I claim to be the various leaders of my political opponents admitting to massive RMT.
(CCP won't do anything about RMT allegations based on out-of--game evidence since there's no way to verify any claims made, you big sillies) |
Nub Sauce
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.02.08 21:50:00 -
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HELIC0N ONE wrote:brb, posting a soundcloud file where I claim to be the various leaders of my political opponents admitting to massive RMT.
(CCP won't do anything about RMT allegations based on out-of--game evidence since there's no way to verify any claims made, you big sillies)
I'm sure they have metrics in place to keep an eye out for it. They can take this lead and trace the ISK, no need for them to act based on this evidence alone. Though, to what degree that they actually enforce it? Who knows. |
Nikodiemus
Perkone Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2012.02.08 21:52:00 -
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CCP would like to inform you the logs show nothing. |
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Valei Khurelem
281
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Posted - 2012.02.08 22:00:00 -
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This is why I say you legalise bots so that everyone is on the same playing field, the tasks in EVE for ISK making are largely autonomous and boring, this would also eliminate the need to pay for ISK since why would people pay for something virtual that they no longer have to do any work for?
It's supply and demand folks, get over it, the game design is at fault here and people are simply choosing to ignore this fact.
p.s. Quitting to pursue a passion that will lead you to a career which you can enjoy far more and make money at the same time I can completely understand, but ditching a job in order to pursue a bloody video game is the most stupid thing I've ever heard
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
34
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Posted - 2012.02.08 22:04:00 -
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guess today is the day of 2nd hand content?
or did you just discover fhc & kugu and are so amazed you just have to share every thread you read there with us? |
Inzax
0
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Posted - 2012.02.08 22:04:00 -
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Burn it in Fire! |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1204
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Posted - 2012.02.08 22:18:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:This is why I say you legalise bots so that everyone is on the same playing field, the tasks in EVE for ISK making are largely autonomous and boring, this would also eliminate the need to pay for ISK since why would people pay for something virtual that they no longer have to do any work for?
It's supply and demand folks, get over it, the game design is at fault here and people are simply choosing to ignore this fact.
p.s. Quitting to pursue a passion that will lead you to a career which you can enjoy far more and make money at the same time I can completely understand, but ditching a job in order to pursue a bloody video game is the most stupid thing I've ever heard
I recall one of the earliest multiplayer games were all about using a bot of sorts - basically you used a robot to work some resources, and then battled in markets over that resource. I don't remember the name.
It would be cool to be able to select deep space points and put autonomous drones there to mine and whatever else, but also fun if anybody could destroy them, or NPCs were also out to destroy them. Destruction of autonomous drones being allowed everywhere would make for some interesting game.
Not that we could expect that here, but I can imagine an MMO where autonomy in bots, agents, henchmen, etc (whatever the style permits) being built in from the start could have a challenge on its own. Just saying but not much because that's another topic entirely.
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lilol' me
Comply Or Die
6
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Posted - 2012.02.08 22:21:00 -
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im surprised tippia aint on here, denying it and asking for 'proof' and detailed logs and info... lol Saying that RMT doesnt happen lol |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4854
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Posted - 2012.02.08 22:27:00 -
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lilol' me wrote:im surprised tippia aint on here, denying it and asking for 'proof' and detailed logs and info... lol Saying that RMT doesnt happen lol Why would I do that? You're not making much senseGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
349
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Posted - 2012.02.08 22:31:00 -
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lilol' me wrote:im surprised tippia aint on here, denying it and asking for 'proof' and detailed logs and info... lol Saying that RMT doesnt happen lol
LOL. Can you please show the class exactly where Tippia has ever said RMT does not happen in EVE? (Yes, I am asking you for proof.)
RMT is difficult to PROVE, and what has been presented in this thread is still not proof, but it could sure potentially lead to proof because CCP can follow the isk if they choose to.
:facepalm: I hope you never serve on a jury. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
lilol' me
Comply Or Die
6
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Posted - 2012.02.08 22:31:00 -
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Tippia wrote:lilol' me wrote:im surprised tippia aint on here, denying it and asking for 'proof' and detailed logs and info... lol Saying that RMT doesnt happen lol Why would I do that? You're not making much senseGǪ
Now are you really going to make me copy and paste all your forum posts? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4854
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Posted - 2012.02.08 22:34:00 -
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lilol' me wrote:Now are you really going to make me copy and paste all your forum posts? No, why would you do that? It would suffice if you explained why I would do things that don't make sense, that I haven't done before, and that I have no reason for doing.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Ghoest
264
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Posted - 2012.02.08 22:48:00 -
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So is it safe to expect that hell be a CSM soon? Wherever You Went - Here You Are |
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Ajita al Tchar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
30
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Posted - 2012.02.08 22:58:00 -
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Nub Sauce wrote:So he quit his job and decided it would be better to violate the ToS and assist in ruining the economy of a game that most of us enjoy. Because he couldn't handle working a job where's he's a worker bee that needs to take orders. Whaa whaa... that's most jobs in the world. HTFU?
Sounds childish to me. Can't say I sympathize. The vast majority of people have had to work at least one job that they hated just to pay the bills. It sucks, but that's what you do when you're an adult and have financial obligations. Find another job rather than crapping in everyone's sandbox.
I hope that CCP bans all involved.
(Empty quoting? Not here, good sir.) |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
167
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Posted - 2012.02.08 22:59:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:It's supply and demand folks, get over it, the game design is at fault here and people are simply choosing to ignore this fact. So.... what effect would 100% botting have on the economy, mr. wizard?
Demand here is also driven by people unwilling to put :effort: into anything, and wanting :gratification: w/o :effort:.
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Ajita al Tchar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
30
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Posted - 2012.02.08 23:06:00 -
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lilol' me wrote:Tippia wrote:lilol' me wrote:im surprised tippia aint on here, denying it and asking for 'proof' and detailed logs and info... lol Saying that RMT doesnt happen lol Why would I do that? You're not making much senseGǪ Now are you really going to make me copy and paste all your forum posts?
You sound butthurt, but you know,, a lot of Tippia's posts asking for proof of this and that are in cases where people really are pulling numbers and statistics out of their ass, or misrepresenting published data. You know, cases where it makes sense to do that. However, if there's a single person in EVE that seriously argues that RMT doesn't exist, the lol is on them. Its existence is a fact. Now, the issue of its prevalence is something else entirely and if someone started a crusade to ban all Russian alliances because allegedly they are all fueled by bots and RMT, this would be a good time to call BS and start asking for proof. |
Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
355
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Posted - 2012.02.08 23:41:00 -
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OMG I AM SO SURPRISED CALL CNN AND FOX NEWS NOAW!! |
Seatox
Department of Defence Fatal Ascension
5
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Posted - 2012.02.09 00:07:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Valei Khurelem wrote:This is why I say you legalise bots so that everyone is on the same playing field, the tasks in EVE for ISK making are largely autonomous and boring, this would also eliminate the need to pay for ISK since why would people pay for something virtual that they no longer have to do any work for?
It's supply and demand folks, get over it, the game design is at fault here and people are simply choosing to ignore this fact.
p.s. Quitting to pursue a passion that will lead you to a career which you can enjoy far more and make money at the same time I can completely understand, but ditching a job in order to pursue a bloody video game is the most stupid thing I've ever heard I recall one of the earliest multiplayer games were all about using a bot of sorts - basically you used a robot to work some resources, and then battled in markets over that resource. I don't remember the name. It would be cool to be able to select deep space points and put autonomous drones there to mine and whatever else, but also fun if anybody could destroy them, or NPCs were also out to destroy them. Destruction of autonomous drones being allowed everywhere would make for some interesting game. Not that we could expect that here, but I can imagine an MMO where autonomy in bots, agents, henchmen, etc (whatever the style permits) being built in from the start could have a challenge on its own. Just saying but not much because that's another topic entirely.
M.U.L.E. |
ApophisXP
Sadistic Retribution Sadistic Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.02.09 00:08:00 -
[56] - Quote
Gogela wrote:Doc Fury wrote:/Sits back with popcorn and a tasty beverage. Mr Kidd wrote:/me waits for the lack of CCP response and grabs some of Fury's popcorn. /slurping a crystal pepsi waiting and watching...
Snatches some popcorn out of Mr Kidd's hands and start slurping all over Gogela's face... |
Linda Shadowborn
Dark Steel Industries
62
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Posted - 2012.02.09 00:16:00 -
[57] - Quote
brings a bottle of red wine and steals some of those popcorn |
Just Lilly
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.02.09 00:44:00 -
[58] - Quote
Pictures of the car he invested in from RMT please, I want to see that ride!
License plate on the car saying "RMT KING" ?, Caldari State plates? |
Ejit
STD contractors
53
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Posted - 2012.02.09 00:56:00 -
[59] - Quote
Just Lilly wrote:Pictures of the car he invested in from RMT please, I want to see that ride! License plate on the car saying "RMT KING" ?, Caldari State plates?
Would take 20 years to pay off his awesome Russian motor Or 6 months of RMT! |
MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
172
|
Posted - 2012.02.09 01:11:00 -
[60] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote: RMT is difficult to PROVE,
I can't buy into that idea...(see what I did there?).
Someone is marketing huge amounts of ISK on various Internet sites; that part is incontrovertible. This game is all about the database. And given that the RMT market for ISK works in specific amounts....tracking the movement of said amounts of ISK should not be that difficult. Time consuming? Labor intensive? Yep.........more than likely a manpower issue.
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? |
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NaturalBeast
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
22
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Posted - 2012.02.09 01:53:00 -
[61] - Quote
MeestaPenni wrote:Doc Fury wrote: RMT is difficult to PROVE,
I can't buy into that idea...(see what I did there?). Someone is marketing huge amounts of ISK on various Internet sites; that part is incontrovertible. This game is all about the database. And given that the RMT market for ISK works in specific amounts....tracking the movement of said amounts of ISK should not be that difficult. Time consuming? Labor intensive? Yep.........more than likely a manpower issue.
The simple solution to all this speculation bullshit is for CCP to hire an Ombudsman and investigate these claims and others like them. And that will never happen. CCP would be crazy to look under the sofa. They ain't gonna like what they find.
Frankly I love this drama. Makes you think these guys in 0.0 are really organized and make a tonne of RL cash farming 0.0. But we all know thats total bullshit, amirite?
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Aggressive Nutmeg
111
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Posted - 2012.02.09 02:04:00 -
[62] - Quote
"My character isn't very good at obeying others. So, after three (3) months I quit the job..."
He's talking about himself in real life. Is he playing a character at work? Sounds like he's talking about roleplaying in a game.
I'm surprised he didn't comment that the graphics weren't very good at work.
A big alliance leader who can't get his act together in real life? I nearly died of not surprise. Never make eye contact with someone while eating a banana. |
Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
491
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Posted - 2012.02.09 02:14:00 -
[63] - Quote
mechtech wrote:Anyone involved in RMT (selling or buying) should be permabanned without a second chance.
I agree with this if you include everyone who ever bought or used a PLEX
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |
Jas Dor
Republic University Minmatar Republic
47
|
Posted - 2012.02.09 02:15:00 -
[64] - Quote
I am not sure I trust a translated transcript of a voice chat. That said I would like to remind CCP of two things:\
1. US anti-online gambling laws clearly say that while money in is OK (microtransactions) money out is not. The US government can and has had credit card companies and paypal refuse to make payments to offshore casinos.
2. Every time there is a cash out in EvE it opens up question about the taxation of virtual assets. Allowing RMT places all players in danger of RL tax consequences for playing EvE.
It might be better if CCP simply altered its terms of service to allow alliances to incorporate as non-profits and pay their leadership. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
455
|
Posted - 2012.02.09 02:25:00 -
[65] - Quote
Ejit wrote:Just Lilly wrote:Pictures of the car he invested in from RMT please, I want to see that ride! License plate on the car saying "RMT KING" ?, Caldari State plates? Would take 20 years to pay off his awesome Russian motor Or 6 months of RMT! That's not Russian.
Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers. US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join us. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. |
Digital Messiah
Heroic Era
132
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Posted - 2012.02.09 02:38:00 -
[66] - Quote
I wanna see CCP!
Also in a side note, I think RMT is bad mmk... But it is obvious ccp won't go public with any punishments so.... yeah "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn" Enter a Heroic Era Today |
Jack Tronic
borkedLabs
40
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Posted - 2012.02.09 02:55:00 -
[67] - Quote
Quote: Later what happened was that the ISK exchange rate fell, i.e. the lower the exchange rate, the more ISK I needed. Eventually in January I took 60kkk (60 BILLION) from the alliance wallet. I believe that if i hadn't done that, then RA financial situation right now would have been slightly better.
Confirming I have more isk in my wallet than RA. |
Marlona Sky
EntroPrelatial Vanguard EntroPraetorian Aegis
422
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Posted - 2012.02.09 03:05:00 -
[68] - Quote
Why are people surprised by all the RMT in this game? There is even a CSM member to make sure no game mechanic changes happen that might threaten RMT in this game.
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RUSROG
Beasts of Burden
106
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Posted - 2012.02.09 03:12:00 -
[69] - Quote
I feel for Doger...
RL > EVE
Yet, again he is not leaving in a fiasco, and is being honest - no matter what the situation.
Udachi tebye brat, shtob vse bilo horosho.
-áE .-+ ` ' /-+. F
Your tears fuel me. And as always, have nice day. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1208
|
Posted - 2012.02.09 04:52:00 -
[70] - Quote
Seatox wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Valei Khurelem wrote:This is why I say you legalise bots so that everyone is on the same playing field, the tasks in EVE for ISK making are largely autonomous and boring, this would also eliminate the need to pay for ISK since why would people pay for something virtual that they no longer have to do any work for?
It's supply and demand folks, get over it, the game design is at fault here and people are simply choosing to ignore this fact.
p.s. Quitting to pursue a passion that will lead you to a career which you can enjoy far more and make money at the same time I can completely understand, but ditching a job in order to pursue a bloody video game is the most stupid thing I've ever heard I recall one of the earliest multiplayer games were all about using a bot of sorts - basically you used a robot to work some resources, and then battled in markets over that resource. I don't remember the name. It would be cool to be able to select deep space points and put autonomous drones there to mine and whatever else, but also fun if anybody could destroy them, or NPCs were also out to destroy them. Destruction of autonomous drones being allowed everywhere would make for some interesting game. Not that we could expect that here, but I can imagine an MMO where autonomy in bots, agents, henchmen, etc (whatever the style permits) being built in from the start could have a challenge on its own. Just saying but not much because that's another topic entirely. M.U.L.E.
Yep, that's the one. |
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Ascendic
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
43
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Posted - 2012.02.09 05:50:00 -
[71] - Quote
Funny how during the fall of NC PL stated their reasons for helping were because 'NC leaders RMT all their isk away'
Now they are the lap dogs of the RMT empire.
Irony much? |
WuMaTih
League of Gentlemen Controlled Chaos
7
|
Posted - 2012.02.09 15:05:00 -
[72] - Quote
you do know what CCP is involved in RMTing everyday in the form of PLEX right?
You give them $15 they give you plex (500m) This totals out to be about 150billion isk every week through plexes.
Yes this doesnt ADD money towards the game but it does effect the game.
If your rich you can be rich in eve |
Prince Kobol
185
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Posted - 2012.02.09 15:12:00 -
[73] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:Why are people surprised by all the RMT in this game? There is even a CSM member to make sure no game mechanic changes happen that might threaten RMT in this game.
Who and how? |
mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
133
|
Posted - 2012.02.09 15:37:00 -
[74] - Quote
WuMaTih wrote:you do know what CCP is involved in RMTing everyday in the form of PLEX right?
You give them $15 they give you plex (500m) This totals out to be about 150billion isk every week through plexes.
Yes this doesnt ADD money towards the game but it does effect the game.
You can be a noob and be richer than a 7 year vet with daddys credit card
When you are making real life money from isk things go to an entirely different scale. Very few people will set up bot networks in order to get an extra 20 years of play time on their accounts, but people certainly will if it means thousands of dollars in their bank account. |
Chiggy W
Hard-Luck Industries
21
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Posted - 2012.02.09 15:41:00 -
[75] - Quote
WuMaTih wrote:you do know what CCP is involved in RMTing everyday in the form of PLEX right?
You give them $15 they give you plex (500m) This totals out to be about 150billion isk every week through plexes.
Yes this doesnt ADD money towards the game but it does effect the game.
You can be a noob and be richer than a 7 year vet with daddys credit card
Huge difference between RMT through PLEX tho. RMT through plex goes into CCP's coffers, which in turn they use to "improve" Eve, while RMT along the lines of Dodger's goes towards paying for a car he can't afford.
A huge, and obvious difference if you ask me. I would rather my money go to CCP where there is a good chance the money gets plowed back into Eve, than some dude who makes poor finacial descisions, can't handle work, and is part of the cancer that could kill Eve. |
Caldari Citizen20110707
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.09 17:10:00 -
[76] - Quote
funny.... how to crash rtm alliances as white noise; red alliance & drone ruskies : take away their easy income and their leaders run with their pockets full of isk..... makes me wonder when xxxdeathxx will fail cascade... |
Caldari Citizen20110707
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.09 17:13:00 -
[77] - Quote
Ascendic wrote:Funny how during the fall of NC PL stated their reasons for helping were because 'NC leaders RMT all their isk away'
Now they are the lap dogs of the RMT empire.
Irony much?
what do you think they are doing with their isk? .... the old bob was also full of rtm lods with bots all over eve. what do you think pl is doing with all their isk?? |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
455
|
Posted - 2012.02.09 17:15:00 -
[78] - Quote
Caldari Citizen20110707 wrote:Ascendic wrote:Funny how during the fall of NC PL stated their reasons for helping were because 'NC leaders RMT all their isk away'
Now they are the lap dogs of the RMT empire.
Irony much? what do you think they are doing with their isk? .... the old bob was also full of rtm lods with bots all over eve. what do you think pl is doing with all their isk?? Supers? Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers. US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join us. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. |
Chiggy W
Hard-Luck Industries
21
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Posted - 2012.02.09 17:18:00 -
[79] - Quote
Caldari Citizen20110707 wrote:funny.... how to crash rtm alliances as white noise; red alliance & drone ruskies : take away their easy income and their leaders run with their pockets full of isk..... makes me wonder when xxxdeathxx will fail cascade...
XXXdeathXXX will never cascade as such, not while the leadership continues to make money. The names might change, but the same players will remain.
Now I am not accusing PL of RMT, or taking RL bribes, but the fact that is UAxDEATH has hired the best guard dogs in game to protect his empire. How the PL leadership or member base can stomach taking tainted ISK and protecting these people is beyond me, but with PL at his beck and call, his empire will not fall.
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arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
66
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Posted - 2012.02.09 17:27:00 -
[80] - Quote
Gogela wrote:Doc Fury wrote:/Sits back with popcorn and a tasty beverage. Mr Kidd wrote:/me waits for the lack of CCP response and grabs some of Fury's popcorn. /slurping a crystal pepsi waiting and watching...
where the F did you get crystal Pepsi?! hope you brought enough for everybody!!! |
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Borun Tal
Cubicle Warriors from 'merica
43
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Posted - 2012.02.09 17:36:00 -
[81] - Quote
CCP will investigate per their numerous dev posts, promises, and such.
And do nothing.
Learn to game the system and have more (free) fun in Eve Online. |
Vallek Arkonnis
Viziam Amarr Empire
98
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Posted - 2012.02.09 18:53:00 -
[82] - Quote
Minabunny wrote:So he had some monetary problems and his mother was ill. If he used a game to increase his income to help his mother good on him. Family before pixels.
Are you serious? A real job was too much for him so he quits and decides to play a video game to support his ill mother... Oh, and don't forget the bit about liking the power and can't take someone else telling him what to do. In eve he's a somebody, IRL he's a nobody. We know which he chose.
Sorry mom. |
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
66
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Posted - 2012.02.09 19:04:00 -
[83] - Quote
Aggressive Nutmeg wrote:"My character isn't very good at obeying others. So, after three (3) months I quit the job..."He's talking about himself in real life. Is he playing a character at work? Sounds like he's talking about roleplaying in a game. I'm surprised he didn't comment that the graphics weren't very good at work. A big alliance leader who can't get his act together in real life? I nearly died of not surprise.
some of the russian translations can come out with a different perceived meaning in english because of the use of the words. in this case "character" in russian vz english is probably referring that his personality doesnt respond well when being ordered around in a RL work environment. you know, cause is is leet leader and all
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arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
66
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Posted - 2012.02.09 19:05:00 -
[84] - Quote
Krios Ahzek wrote:mechtech wrote:Anyone involved in RMT (selling or buying) should be permabanned without a second chance. I agree with this if you include everyone who ever bought or used a PLEX
oh get over it. PLEX for CCP profit is good support for the game. ISK for RL cash that doesn't support CCP/EVE is NOT the same thing. get realz now |
Zowie Powers
Hole in the wall
48
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Posted - 2012.02.09 20:43:00 -
[85] - Quote
Looks like somebody forgot about CCP's track record on dealing with whistle blowers..... bye bye op. |
Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
169
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Posted - 2012.02.09 21:07:00 -
[86] - Quote
What is RMT? Eve community: An angry mob of bright people hunting witches, more torches, more hay forks, growing and growing. |
Liam Mirren
249
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Posted - 2012.02.09 21:47:00 -
[87] - Quote
Seleia O'Sinnor wrote:What is RMT?
Russian Money Temptation.
Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
My guides: http://mirren.freeforums.org |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
395
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Posted - 2012.02.09 22:36:00 -
[88] - Quote
adopt wrote:INB4 LOCK
Also what russian alliance doesn't RMT/bot.
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Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
465
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Posted - 2012.02.09 23:23:00 -
[89] - Quote
CCP's response:
In Soviet Russia, our logs they show nothing. |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
116
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Posted - 2012.02.10 02:15:00 -
[90] - Quote
I don't know.. maybe you should try living there before you judge him for doing what he did. The fact that it harms the game economy when it is done through botting, and enables various playstyles that wouldn't normally be available is relevent, but only so much.
Yes, it is against the ToS, ULA, and so on, but he is honestly explaining himself and doesn't seem to take any pride in what he has done. He's rationalized it, accepted it, and is perfectly willing to accept a ban if it comes to that. He didn't want to play anymore anyway.
The fact that he took the Alliances ISK is rather interesting, and who knows how all that worked out, but also sort of irrelevent.
Fact is, CCP will either ban him or not, depending on what they make of this, and we'll maybe never know. What I do know, is that despite seemingly being defensive towards the end of that conversation, he was mostly apologetic in tone. Basically, what I got, (if that translation is entirely accurate), is a truthful confession and apologetic tones.
I have a friend I work with who grew up in Bosnia, and lost his father and Uncle during the war to prison camps. They only recently found and identified his Uncle, and even more recently his father. He actually worked for the UN during that period and told me about a lot of stuff that happened there.
It's not far from Russia, and close enough that I recognize some of the words from hearing him talk on the phone with his kids and family. Russia has seen much of the same over the years, and things aren't much better there now, than they were years ago. Living here it's easy to misunderstand that.
In the end, EVE is just a game, and I understand that some might see it as a way to help them in their personal lives given specific circumstances. That doesn't mean I like RMT, or that I wouldn't judge someone who used it for nothing more than personal flash. It's just harder to think poorly of someone that uses it for other reasons.
It does **** me off that Americans do it. TIIP: The Incredible Invisible Poster |
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Marcus Harikari
Room Is Empty Enemy-Fleet
20
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Posted - 2012.02.10 02:19:00 -
[91] - Quote
Jas Dor wrote:I am not sure I trust a translated transcript of a voice chat. That said I would like to remind CCP of two things:\
1. US anti-online gambling laws clearly say that while money in is OK (microtransactions) money out is not. The US government can and has had credit card companies and paypal refuse to make payments to offshore casinos.
2. Every time there is a cash out in EvE it opens up question about the taxation of virtual assets. Allowing RMT places all players in danger of RL tax consequences for playing EvE.
It might be better if CCP simply altered its terms of service to allow alliances to incorporate as non-profits and pay their leadership. EVE isn't gambling. It's skill-based. |
Ajita al Tchar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
37
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Posted - 2012.02.10 02:45:00 -
[92] - Quote
Mars Theran wrote:I don't know.. maybe you should try living there before you judge him for doing what he did. The fact that it harms the game economy when it is done through botting, and enables various playstyles that wouldn't normally be available is relevent, but only so much.
...
I have a friend I work with who grew up in Bosnia, and lost his father and Uncle during the war to prison camps. They only recently found and identified his Uncle, and even more recently his father. He actually worked for the UN during that period and told me about a lot of stuff that happened there.
It's not far from Russia, and close enough that I recognize some of the words from hearing him talk on the phone with his kids and family. Russia has seen much of the same over the years, and things aren't much better there now, than they were years ago. Living here it's easy to misunderstand that.
In the end, EVE is just a game, and I understand that some might see it as a way to help them in their personal lives given specific circumstances. That doesn't mean I like RMT, or that I wouldn't judge someone who used it for nothing more than personal flash. It's just harder to think poorly of someone that uses it for other reasons.
It does **** me off that Americans do it.
What the ****, Bosnia's past is nothing like Russia's present, and shared linguistic traits have nothing to do with it besides. I take it you live in Russia, but you apparently have a victim complex. Don't paint all Russians with the same shitbrush and justify *some* people's regrettable behavior by saying "But life is haaaaaaaard baaaaw!" Hmmm, I wonder how all the Russians that aren't playing EVE managing to survive. They must be a lie.
Fact: life in Russia currently is nothing like what went on in the Balkans (putting aside contested republics which are a minority and geographically limited to one region). Yes, a lot of people in Russia are under much greater financial strain than, say, in the US despite the meh economy in the states right now, yes, jobs can be hard, yes, a lot of people live in tiny apartments, don't have a car because it's just not worth the expense, etc. But OH HEY. The lol-RMTer had a job (that he didn't like, lolololol, welcome to the world of grown-ups?), bought a car he couldn't afford, etc. A sick mother isn't the only thing in this story. The guy seems to have issues and might benefit from professional psychiatric help. Don't blame Russia for that. It sure does sound like an excuse rather than a reason, and you sound like an RMT apologist that likes to see victims everywhere.
(Hello, I'm Russian and I don't RMT) |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
568
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Posted - 2012.02.10 03:25:00 -
[93] - Quote
I can see where your getting at.
However, I would only feel any sort of anything for the dude if he went all the way and turned in every one of his partners in "crime".
Though that would be a great in game headline. "RMT ring caught, 70 accounts banned." |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1213
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Posted - 2012.02.10 05:40:00 -
[94] - Quote
Holy freaking cow. |
Mnengli Noiliffe
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
25
|
Posted - 2012.02.10 08:20:00 -
[95] - Quote
there is already RMT in this game, fully official PLEX deal.
what he did is basically stealing money from CCP. the people who buy ISK other than from official CCP site via PLEX are giving the money they would otherwise give to CCP to some other people.
other than that, it makes no difference for the game. |
JustScout
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2012.02.10 11:07:00 -
[96] - Quote
Any updates from CCP or RMT is already is legal???
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Chiggy W
Hard-Luck Industries
22
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Posted - 2012.02.10 12:06:00 -
[97] - Quote
JustScout wrote:Any updates from CCP or RMT is already is legal???
I doubt CCP will acknowledge this thread, let alone take any sort of action. RMT is NOT legal, it's against the TOS and EULA, however it seems to most people that CCP have very little interest in actively hunting and banning/punishing those involved in this.
It's certainly a problem, as botting/RMT seems to be becoming more widespread ingame, partly I'm sure due to lack of perceived action from CCP. As long as CCP continues to stay quiet on the subject of botting and RMT, the problem will continue to spread. Just look at the amount of "players" in Jita spamming the same scam contract every 2-30 seconds 23/7. Stuff like this should be easy to spot and act against, but I really don't think CCP has the will to fight.
They really need to start posting further evidence of the fight, not just "everything is cool, we've got it under control" because it's obvious to almost anyone who spends time in Jita, 0.0 or icebelts that it isn't . |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
15
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Posted - 2012.02.10 12:15:00 -
[98] - Quote
Chiggy W wrote:JustScout wrote:Any updates from CCP or RMT is already is legal???
I doubt CCP will acknowledge this thread, let alone take any sort of action. RMT is NOT legal, it's against the TOS and EULA, however it seems to most people that CCP have very little interest in actively hunting and banning/punishing those involved in this.
A self confessed RMTer might be a different story. But you are right CCP won't tell us their actions.
There is no excuse for RMTing, it should carry a lifetime ban on all accounts owned by the RMTer if they're caught. |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
392
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Posted - 2012.02.10 13:25:00 -
[99] - Quote
Mars Theran wrote:I don't know... it is against the ToS, ULA...but he is honestly explaining himself and doesn't seem to take any pride in what he has done. He's rationalized it, accepted it, and is perfectly willing to accept a ban if it comes to that. It does **** me off that Americans do it.
So what I'm getting from your post is so long as the perpetrator is apologetic, remorseful, has sick family members and does not live in the US, then RMT perfectly acceptable?
RIght.
Personally, I really don't care about RMT. I don't. I think CCP should capitalize on it and I think they do. I also believe they are hypocrites and deny the rest of us what could be fair game play because we want to follow the "rules" and be good customers. I believe that what we have is a group of people who RMT with CCP's blessings perhaps getting a cut of the profit or perhaps friends of CCP C-level employees who get the blind eye.
About SD, 1) you don't know if he even has a mother. You're gullible! 2) I can guarantee you he is not remorseful if he is or has done it and gotten away with it. 3) If he is stating this now and "doesn't care" it's only because he is/was making buttloads of RL money and has moved onto bigger better things.
We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Mnengli Noiliffe
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2012.02.10 14:49:00 -
[100] - Quote
Sasha Azala wrote: There is no excuse for RMTing, it should carry a lifetime ban on all accounts owned by the RMTer if they're caught.
so everyone who ever bought a PLEX in CCP store and then sold it for ISK should be banned? i bet it's quite easy to catch lots of them too. |
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Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
16
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Posted - 2012.02.10 15:01:00 -
[101] - Quote
Mnengli Noiliffe wrote:Sasha Azala wrote: There is no excuse for RMTing, it should carry a lifetime ban on all accounts owned by the RMTer if they're caught.
so everyone who ever bought a PLEX in CCP store and then sold it for ISK should be banned? i bet it's quite easy to catch lots of them too.
No because the people that are buying the PLEX from CCP are not making a profit from the game, CCP make the profit as it should be, it's their game. |
David Grogan
The Motley Crew Reborn
300
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Posted - 2012.02.10 15:06:00 -
[102] - Quote
longs for the day PL will grow a pair and oust their russian rmt overlords....
hell they could even rent out the dronelands themselves and make silent dodger have to sell his car. Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless you are from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs. |
Mnengli Noiliffe
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2012.02.10 15:21:00 -
[103] - Quote
Sasha Azala wrote:Mnengli Noiliffe wrote:Sasha Azala wrote: There is no excuse for RMTing, it should carry a lifetime ban on all accounts owned by the RMTer if they're caught.
so everyone who ever bought a PLEX in CCP store and then sold it for ISK should be banned? i bet it's quite easy to catch lots of them too. No because the people that are buying the PLEX from CCP are not making a profit from the game, CCP make the profit as it should be, it's their game. sure but it's still RMT, although a legit one.
I think there should be different term for that, like "Illegal RMT" instead of just RMT, or something. |
Citizen Smif
Comply Or Die
78
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Posted - 2012.02.10 16:57:00 -
[104] - Quote
Yawn.. Good for him I say.. Who here wouldn't do the same as him if you were in a financial trouble? I sure as hell would.
He should be banned but tbh I'm pretty sure he expects that so it doesn't matter. **** happens guys, I hope you all realise that his IRL existence is much more important than our "fragile" EVE-economy.. lawl. |
Sloppy Podfarts
Hedion University Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2012.02.10 19:29:00 -
[105] - Quote
Nub Sauce wrote:So he quit his job and decided it would be better to violate the ToS and assist in ruining the economy of a game that most of us enjoy. Because he couldn't handle working a job where's he's a worker bee that needs to take orders..
Seriously...Eff this dirtbag and his mom. |
Ashera Yune
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2012.02.11 02:45:00 -
[106] - Quote
We should all hope and pray his mother dies, and then we can laugh about it to his face.
Anyone have a picture of his mother? I would like to put my photoshop to the test. |
Chiggy W
Hard-Luck Industries
26
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Posted - 2012.02.11 03:57:00 -
[107] - Quote
Ashera Yune wrote:
Anyone have a picture of his mother?
Rigth here |
Joost Merc
Obsessive Compulsive Disasters
6
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Posted - 2012.02.12 11:35:00 -
[108] - Quote
back to the top. RMT needs highlighting |
JustScout
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.12 17:55:00 -
[109] - Quote
Unbelievable Still no action from CCP...
Well......... RMT! RMT! RMT! RMT!
update.
CCP should create RMT shop... like in Diablo 3... I wana sell my ISK |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
51
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Posted - 2012.02.12 18:30:00 -
[110] - Quote
I for one welcome our oldish new RMT overlords.
Also hi CCP. |
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EnslaverOfMinmatar
BRAPELILLE MACRO BOT MINERS
13
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Posted - 2012.02.12 19:35:00 -
[111] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Nothing new here, but now I realize that when you AFK Cloak in 0.0 making their bots dock up, and they rage in local like you are killing somebody's mother, you might actually be killing somebody's mother.
LMAO ZEDONG Every EVE player must read this http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=29-01-07 or uninstall and DIAF |
JustScout
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.13 10:48:00 -
[112] - Quote
back to the top |
Orny
Ganio Bro
3
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Posted - 2012.02.13 12:20:00 -
[113] - Quote
Are any DEV's here? |
Twisted Girl
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
13
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Posted - 2012.02.13 12:27:00 -
[114] - Quote
welcome to 0.0.
Tho most people isnt directly involved I bet around 50% of the members of any 0.0 corperation knowns someone/is indirectly helping some. Ive jet to come across ANY major alliance/block that doesnt rmt to some extend.
Tho it doesnt mean that I support it, its like like drugs/prostitution IRL, its is there to stay even if you dont like it. |
Twisted Girl
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
13
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Posted - 2012.02.13 12:30:00 -
[115] - Quote
David Grogan wrote:longs for the day PL will grow a pair and oust their russian rmt overlords....
hell they could even rent out the dronelands themselves and make silent dodger have to sell his car. I dont think either side is more innocent that the other so , it really doesnt matter who you kick out, just saying. also most of the botters would simply swap to the winning side regardless. |
Hroya
14
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Posted - 2012.02.13 12:31:00 -
[116] - Quote
Twisted Girl wrote:welcome to 0.0.
Tho most people isnt directly involved I bet around 50% of the members of any 0.0 corperation knowns someone/is indirectly helping some. Ive jet to come across ANY major alliance/block that doesnt rmt to some extend.
Tho it doesnt mean that I support it, its like like drugs/prostitution IRL, its is there to stay even if you dont like it.
Yet unlike Rl referrences, this enviroment we have here can be contained. But then again, effort and profit, right ? |
Isotoxin13
PEAJIbHbIE KA6AHbI
9
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Posted - 2012.02.14 16:30:00 -
[117] - Quote
Where is any CCP reply? RMT is not popular in this season? |
Sade Onyx
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.02.14 16:54:00 -
[118] - Quote
of course CCP RMT. They trade their product for real money. lol
As for the OP. Cool story. If true then well done to that man for admitting it, but he'd only admit it if he never intended to play again, so why not?
Essentially this story just shows up CCP's security team for their inability to be... well... secure. Although I'm sure they would "respectfully disagree" |
Buruk Utama
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
91
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Posted - 2012.02.14 17:13:00 -
[119] - Quote
Isotoxin13 wrote:Where is any CCP reply? RMT is not popular in this season?
They'll never make a statement regarding this incident. It falls under the same rules as discussing forum moderation, it doesn't happen. |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
401
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Posted - 2012.02.14 22:19:00 -
[120] - Quote
Isotoxin13 wrote:Where is any CCP reply? RMT is not popular in this season?
Silence is as much a response as anything. What you'll get, eventually, is the usual in a unsolicited dev blog from Sreegs about vaguely general efforts to combat RMT/Botting. It's all just lip service with no credibility these days. Yeah yeah, we hear ya Sreegs, you're working on it. And yet the largest of alliances are steeped in RMT which is, of course, why they're the largest alliances because they have actual money backing their business ventures in null.
I mean, if they're not going to fight RMT with any efficacy, why not just implement it as a game mechanic, remove botting as a EULA violation and let everyone do it? RMT is rampant in Eve. So what more harm would it do to the game that it is not already doing? The only reason against that I can see, with any plausibility, is CCP wants to protect certain RMT shops and that can only mean that CCP or someone high in CCP's management is making profit from it. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
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Evei Shard
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
59
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Posted - 2012.02.14 23:11:00 -
[121] - Quote
Mr Kidd wrote: The only reason against that I can see, with any plausibility, is CCP wants to protect certain RMT shops and that can only mean that CCP or someone high in CCP's management is making profit from it.
This.
RMT payments are likely not going to be reported as income, and therefore not taxed.
Pretty slick operation if that is actually what is going on. Wouldn't surprise me at all if it was true.
*edit (twice) for proper quotation syntax Profit favors the prepared |
Headerman
Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
633
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Posted - 2012.02.15 00:17:00 -
[122] - Quote
One needs proof before such actions are taken. The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |
Pyrion Garcia
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.02.16 17:44:00 -
[123] - Quote
Jas Dor wrote:I am not sure I trust a translated transcript of a voice chat. That said I would like to remind CCP of two things:\
1. US anti-online gambling laws clearly say that while money in is OK (microtransactions) money out is not. The US government can and has had credit card companies and paypal refuse to make payments to offshore casinos.
2. Every time there is a cash out in EvE it opens up question about the taxation of virtual assets. Allowing RMT places all players in danger of RL tax consequences for playing EvE.
It's actually far worse than this - tax avoidance is one thing, the possibility of money laundering is quite another. |
Chiggy W
Hard-Luck Industries
35
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Posted - 2012.02.21 18:21:00 -
[124] - Quote
Still not banned, still playing Eve. OP updated. |
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