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Araxmas
An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three
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Posted - 2008.01.04 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Oosel played eve from beta 4 and started playing wow a year and a half ago when eve started to lose its single player apeal because of my time constraints
eve is still the game id like to play as its very good but i will not play a game that takes so much time to do anything good and also more or less forces you to buy a 2nd account if you want to be able to jump your cap ships at any time you want without having to take up someone elses time. and the same for hauling or missions in the sense you need to scout ahead
so when it became clear i was doomed if i didnt get a 2nd account i found a game that you can play solo but also can play instantly be it in battlegrounds or questing and thats my only reason for not playing eve at moment but im sure things change so i'll keep skilling for now
It's an mmo so it is designed around Multiplayer not single play. Although yes I agree that EvE does not have the short play time side of it. You can't (or at least easily) log on for a short while and do things, you tend to need a longer amount of time than most games. --------
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.01.04 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Araxmas
It's an mmo so it is designed around Multiplayer not single play. Although yes I agree that EvE does not have the short play time side of it. You can't (or at least easily) log on for a short while and do things, you tend to need a longer amount of time than most games.
That depends on what you do. In eve you can train skills offline and make isk offline. The endgame in wow is pve raids where you need your guild of 25+ people to log on at the same time most days to kill bosses for the next 4-5 hours. If you cant do that chances are you are not getting into a raidguild. And thats after you have grinded your way to 70, grinded the reputation needed for keys items and whatnot, and grinded 5-man instances for basic raid gear. And if you dont raid all that is left is grinding. Sort of like limiting eve to only missionwhoring. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Kreul Intentions ([email protected]) |
Blind Man
Cosmic Fusion When Fat Kids Attack
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Posted - 2008.01.04 17:00:00 -
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because when WoW gets boring you just quit when eve gets boring you stay logged in all day anyways
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Ulendar
M34t p0p s1ckle Manufacturing Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.04 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: Drasked Well you said its like winning the lottery, well in that case i must start playing because then i would win the lottery 2/4 times a day..
But aside from fitting etc and all the obvious stuff, pvp in eve is more about strategy and knowledge then anything else, and starting your post off with saying you agree with that guy that involves eating a lot of bread into pvp is plain out wrong.
The guy you agreed with basicly descibed how it is to be a mindless drones in some half assed alliance, well it is ofcourse what you make of it so if you think that is what eve has to offer you, i feel sorry.
Back to finding good fights, ofcourse i agree with the fact that its partially luck based, but knowing where to look and how to set baits, how to split apart fleets etc etc is all tactics that can turn a blob fight into a good fight, but these are matters that have probably never been of your concern in the past 4 years.
I suppose I was unnecessarily hostile in my initial reply to you, sorry for that. I wasn't even getting at being a mindless combat drone in some alliance slugfest, cause that would have made me quit the game a long time ago. I guess it depends on what you are into really.
For example, as you can perhaps tell by my alliance tag, I'm a pirate. For that matter, I've been a pirate ever since joining the original Curse Alliance on my old main back in early 2004. So naturally, with the gangs I was in, we would engage about everybody else, looking for loot etc.
Sometimes it turned out a gank, sometimes it turned out a good fight, but never ever was it anymore for me than pressing buttons and trying to do exactly what I had to do in order to come out on top (that is, staying at optimal, maintaining my tank, etc you name it). I did it because it provided me with isk at the end of the day.
We did quite well, also later on with the corp I started with friends (the one I am in right now), business was good. But never EVER did I think that Eve PVP demanded a lot of skills other than being good at number crunching and setting up a strategy (which of course does imply that some ppl are better at it than others). Ultimately however, with all points taken into consideration, Eve to me is like playing around with a very fancy spreadsheet, no more, no less.
A well done and thought out spreadsheet, better than for example WoW, but as far as skills are concerned ... it's a rpg system after all, so character skills > player skills, especially if you reduce the amount of ppl in the fighting gangs. Fleet warfare is a different cup of tea and definitely requires a lot of planning etc, and good FC's are hard to come by, but since being a drone in some 100+ fleet was never very high on my agenda, it is indeed not of my concern.
Maybe it's just me though, because at heart I am really more of a fps gamer than a rpg fan (with Eve being the exception to the rule, obviously, otherwise I would not have played it for as long as I have), but every time I see ppl gloat about their uber PVP skills in Eve it makes me chuckle. __________
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Dimitry Kalashnikov
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2008.01.04 21:23:00 -
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Here's what I think on the matter:
WoW is a nice colorful game with much to do in it. The Arena's in the game can be really fun. However they've implemented a LFG feature which, while useful, is widely unused. Further adding insult to injury they've removed the LFG chat thus forcing WoW players to use a function they're obviously too stupid to use. My thoughts were that this was only a short term thing and soon the players will either start using it, or they will phase it out and return things to normal.
I check it out a few months later only to find that this is not the case and they've changed nothing and nothing has changed. I tried to look for a group. Couldn't find one. Searched for days. What does it matter even if I do find a group. The game is based off the Weakest Link Gameshow and if in a raid group of 40 you have 1 ****** then the whole operation falls apart.
It's like a Roman Phalanx, you depend on the soldiers around you to properly hold the formation so you don't die, and in WoW you depend on everyone in your group in the exact same way. Only problem is the game is so easy to play you have 6 year olds doing it. Ever try to run a Phalanx with a bunch of 6 - 12 year olds? Something tells me Leonidas will need more then 300 in that case.
So to sum it up without a paragraph for each problem:
-End game stuff inaccessible unless you are in an elite guild that runs your life. -Too many idiots. -Hard - Impossible to find a group. Impossible to find a decent group. -Arenas are a paladin spam fest of invinciblity. -You create an awesome character on one server. Server goes to ****. Gotta pay money to move em. -Getting anything good is a LONG and TEDIOUS process that makes you want to die. -Fishing. -With 6 million playing, you're bound to run into some of them at work/school, and trust me, they're not pretty.
Overall, I wouldn't play WoW if it was free. However I signed up for the new Warhammer MMORPG coming out. It will have the same Battleground style as DAoC which is AWESOME. ============================================== The thousand ships of the Black Fleet Corporation descent upon you! Our Void L will blot out the sun! |
Kibbler
GOONicide
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Posted - 2008.01.04 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: Paulo Damarr
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer I mean wow is great in design, grafics and ui
UI and design I will take your word for but graphics? No way under any circumstances could WoWs graphics be described or interpreted as "great" they totally suck. As well as being poor quality they have a childish and cartoony style to them.
EVEs Premium graphics and several of the newer MMOs like Hellgate London or Tabula Rasa are examples of good graphics.
Ignorance. Ever hear of something called art direction?
It's a Warcraft game, and as such, they have an art style to follow. Not only does their art style fit perfectly with WC3, but having lower-complexity graphics allowes for playing across a much broader spectrum of computers. They are going for mass market, and they have totally succeeded. Are you going to argue with 9m subscribers? Eve only recently broke 300k (to my knowledge), so they must be doing something right.
I hate WoW. I gave my character to my friend about 6 months ago after giving it another shot. The game is pointless and carebear and I don't like the cutesy art style either, but I can at least recognize successful art direction when I see it. They did a good job. It's not like they don't have the money or talent to create mind-blowing stuff (look at their cinemas).
Funniest part; you saying TR's graphics are good graphics. You probably think Vanguard looks good too.
--Kibb
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Ciphero
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2008.01.04 22:52:00 -
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I first played Eve in 2003 and have been pretty constant with my subscriptions since then. Maybe I'm bored/burnt out with Eve, but something about it just isn't there for me any more. I was convinced by a friend to try WoW and got a free 10 day trial.
WoW * It's 90/10 PvE, so you'd expect the PvE to be pretty damn good. It is - Eve's PvE doesn't even begin to compare really. That's ok though, because PvE is a minor part of Eve as opposed to a major part of WoW. * The world is fantastic. It's diverse and interesting just to explore the different areas. I honestly never realised how bloody boring 3 different coloured backdrops with different numbers of belts/planets/etc are. * Boosting your friends. It may sound insignificant, but it makes the game so much more interesting on a tactical level. In Eve, there aren't many buffs you can give to a gang-mate. It's basically repair or sensor boost, as far as I can think. In WoW there's a stupid number of things you can do to affect your group-mates, some of which are wiser than others depending on their abilities and the situation. * Sharded. This is not really a pro or a con; the server/"realm" I'm playing on is very well-populated but - get this - not laggy. Even in the most densely populated areas, I'm yet to experience the lag that CCP may as well trademark. * There is nothing in the game as fundamentally boring-yet-necessary-for-gameplay as the POS system.
Eve * Graphically - especially post-Trinity - superior. Eve, despite the mind-numbing repetitiveness of space (I know, not CCP's fault, but it's still part of the game), is very pretty. * You don't get pigeonholed quite so much. Yes, a Rokh will always shield tank better than armor tank, but it can sort of armor tank if you really want to. Conversely, a Mage in WoW ain't going to be any use doing melee damage no matter what you do. * Economy. Eve's economy is one of the few things that CCP got spot on, IMHO. A lot of Eve is nearly there, but the markets (and ways to use those markets) are awesome.
They're actually very different types of games. WoW can be quickly picked up and enjoyed. Eve is a slower-burning game that will probably give you more overall enjoyment if you're willing to wait for it. Saying that, answer me this (anyone) - Do you enjoy anything to do with POS warfare? I don't think I know anyone who does, yet anyone in 0.0 (supposedly the high end of Eve) is essentially forced to involve themselves with it. It's a core part of the game and is utter trash.
I've cancelled my Eve accounts. I don't doubt that one day I'll be back and, therefore, no you aren't getting anything you damn jawas For now though, Eve's lost its appeal and another game was well-placed to satisfy my MMO need.
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Hickock
Caldari Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2008.01.05 04:12:00 -
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They both are their own game.
I play Eve and Wow on the Dragonmaw server. Lvl 49 Human Priest.
It is quit fun, but when i get bored, i go to eve, and vice versa.
Balancing time with the games makes each of them better. --------------
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Paulo Damarr
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Posted - 2008.01.05 09:29:00 -
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Originally by: Kibbler
Originally by: Paulo Damarr
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer I mean wow is great in design, grafics and ui
UI and design I will take your word for but graphics? No way under any circumstances could WoWs graphics be described or interpreted as "great" they totally suck. As well as being poor quality they have a childish and cartoony style to them.
EVEs Premium graphics and several of the newer MMOs like Hellgate London or Tabula Rasa are examples of good graphics.
Ignorance. Ever hear of something called art direction?
It's a Warcraft game, and as such, they have an art style to follow. Not only does their art style fit perfectly with WC3, but having lower-complexity graphics allowes for playing across a much broader spectrum of computers. They are going for mass market, and they have totally succeeded. Are you going to argue with 9m subscribers? Eve only recently broke 300k (to my knowledge), so they must be doing something right.
I hate WoW. I gave my character to my friend about 6 months ago after giving it another shot. The game is pointless and carebear and I don't like the cutesy art style either, but I can at least recognize successful art direction when I see it. They did a good job. It's not like they don't have the money or talent to create mind-blowing stuff (look at their cinemas).
Funniest part; you saying TR's graphics are good graphics. You probably think Vanguard looks good too.
--Kibb
Art Direction? I bet your the type of person that visits an art gallery to stand around a brightly painted orange toilet commenting on the Juxtaposition of the lighting. WOWs graphics are childish and poor nothing else.
As for the numbers of subscribers and the game play I cannot comment as I have never played it or vanguard whatever that is. ----------------------------------------------- My new years resolution is to give up nonconstructive posting |
Don ZOLA
Caldari Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2008.01.05 14:04:00 -
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and again
Eve > *
:D
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Biolaja Tista
Gallente Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2008.01.05 18:38:00 -
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Comparing EVE Online to World of WarCraft is like comparing a screaming metal deathtrap to a padded cell, respectively.
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Daelin Blackleaf
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.01.05 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Navigator Topic is not relevant to EvE General Discussion.
Moved.
Wut?
Originally by: Forums Looking for a place to discuss topics other than EVE? Here it is.
How can a comparison between EVE and another game be a non-EVE related topic?
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AncientGuardian
Gallente Intaki Liberation Front
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Posted - 2008.01.05 20:15:00 -
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Edited by: AncientGuardian on 05/01/2008 20:15:50 eve >*10*10 wow
wow is for children, still learning the intrweb.
and i got tired of ORCs and Elvs back in that stupid move, i forgot the name, but there were a bunch of them
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If I ever saw an amputee getting hanged, I would start yelling out letters.
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Ione Hunt
0utbreak
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Posted - 2008.01.06 17:06:00 -
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WOW is a lot less complex and geared to appeal to the broad masses. The missing complexity is what imo makes it boring. The lack of complexity is also why the average WOW player is more like a CS kiddy...
EVE is good BECAUSE it is complex. If they suddenly make it easy like WoW, it'll lose a lot of its appeal. _______________
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Vina
Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.01.06 23:53:00 -
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L2 > eve > wow -----------------------------------
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Orgos Khenn
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.01.07 00:15:00 -
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EVE is for those who know what they want the game to be, and are willing to make it that. EVE is for those who can freeform - they can go into an environment with many opportunities but no fixed paths, and do what they want to do to achieve the goals they have set themselves. EVE is for those who like depth and intelligence.
You can't blame some people for not liking any of that.
Just...let them go back to Disneyland.
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Thorek Ironbrow
Ironbrow Industries Co. Empire Research
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Posted - 2008.01.08 20:43:00 -
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I don't actually know about this, but I'm assuming it's like this from other Fantasy MMORPGs I've played (Runescape, although probably a bad example, is one), but basically, I like that in EVE, there is tactics, such as ammo type fitted, whether you have things such as a tackler, and how you decide to take an enemy on. In WoW and RS, I assume it's just kind of like pressing a few macro buttons while running at your enemy, then from there on it's just hoping you're a higher level than them.
That's another thing I like, that ties in with tactics, is that a player who has only played the game for two weeks, can still make a pretty deep dent in the hull of someone who's been playing 6 months +. With RS at least, if you have 10 levels less than your enemy, you're going to lose, and if you're the same level, it's just about luck. _____________________________ Thorek Ironbrow of Ironbrow Industries Co. Part of the Empire Research Alliance Look us up in Nomaa or Itamo to join! |
Thorek Ironbrow
Ironbrow Industries Co. Empire Research
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Posted - 2008.01.08 20:45:00 -
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Another thing I prefer, is that EVE is all on one server. I think things like private servers is like turning cheats on in any game. It just makes it not very fun and quite frankly pointless. _____________________________ Thorek Ironbrow of Ironbrow Industries Co. Part of the Empire Research Alliance Look us up in Nomaa or Itamo to join! |
Sainna
Minmatar Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.01.08 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Bleu It's all individual preference. Eve is not better than wow and wow is not better than eve depending on who you ask. If wow was better then eve to me, I'd be playing wow and not eve but I'm not so clearly I think eve is better than wow.
I also think SCI-FI is better then fantasy so again this puts eve ahead of wow in my book.
So you are ok to say you think wow is better than eve, just dont expect people to agree with you.
Bingo!
It's the individuals' preference. I haven't/won't play WoW. I like Eve, therefore Eve is better than WoW.
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Kayna Eelai
Gallente Paxton Industries Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.01.09 10:29:00 -
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111 replies in this post and except 3 guys, every1 is talking **** without having a ******* clue what they're talking about.
typical wow<->eve post
could add some smart comment here to proof how clueless 99% of eves playerbase is about ANY other MMO, but you guys are just not worth it.
what's next, trying to compare coca cola to nokia?
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.01.09 13:56:00 -
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battlegrounds
erm, no?
Originally by: ISD Cortes You're at liberty to use the rolling sig you had, as long as there's no chimeras covering the nether regions of voluptuous females. |
Gneeznow
Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.01.09 15:22:00 -
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combine eve and wow to create ----- WIZZARDS IN SPACE!
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XenoPagan
Enterprise Estonia
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Posted - 2008.01.09 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: Gneeznow combine eve and wow to create ----- WIZZARDS IN SPACE!
that would be like, war40K, whitch would be kind of cool
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