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Vedz
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.01.04 06:12:00 -
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I was reading these forums and noticed a lot of people talking about EBANK, but all those people sound like shills. There's always some guy who starts a thread asking about some great feature of EBANK and how it works, and his question is quickly answered by another guy who 'works' at EBANK in a advertising fashion. This is kind of reminiscent of that 700b Ponzi scheme. Some links I found:
http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/23/1918246
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme
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Concordokken Plox
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Posted - 2008.01.04 06:21:00 -
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nop
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Riethe
Fine Goods for Fine Gentlemen
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Posted - 2008.01.04 06:24:00 -
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yop
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Genbukan
Best Buy INC
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Posted - 2008.01.04 07:02:00 -
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Originally by: Vedz I was reading these forums and noticed a lot of people talking about EBANK, but all those people sound like shills. There's always some guy who starts a thread asking about some great feature of EBANK and how it works, and his question is quickly answered by another guy who 'works' at EBANK in a advertising fashion. This is kind of reminiscent of that 700b Ponzi scheme. Some links I found:
http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/23/1918246
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme
I would not worry to much about the EBANK. To this day they have served me well and helped me out a lot. So from where I stand right now they are still A++ in my eyes. They also held a security on behalf of my last IPO. The completion of the IPO has reached and currently in buy back status. At the completion of the IPO I received 100% of my security back.
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Riethe
Fine Goods for Fine Gentlemen
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Posted - 2008.01.04 07:13:00 -
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Originally by: Genbukan I would not worry to much about the EBANK. To this day they have served me well and helped me out a lot. So from where I stand right now they are still A++ in my eyes. They also held a security on behalf of my last IPO. The completion of the IPO has reached and currently in buy back status. At the completion of the IPO I received 100% of my security back.
This is a very idiotic assessment of the situation as a whole.
Not that I think EBANK is a scam, or is not a scam, this line of thinking is EXACTLY what is needed to help build up a scam to its climax.
You saying things like this, it just misleads other, equally stupid people.
The idea of any project like this, if the intention was to steal everyone's money, is to treat the first few waves nicely, use them for word of mouth, and keep building on top of that.
As far as the question here, EBANK is currently being contributed to by a plethora of well-known names. Based off of this, you could assess that, these individuals, seem to not have any plans to be stealing any money--if they do, it'd be hard for any one of them to not leak it out.
The potential for profit for each participating member would have to be substantial enough to keep their mouths shut.
Chances are, EBANK is clean. But assessing it based on, "I used this service and it worked!!! Don't worry about it!!" is just the worst possible way to go about deciding whether it's trustworthy or not.
The factors you should use to establish trustworthiness is the fact that the assets within EBANK is split amongst various separate individuals, so in the event that one of them decides to steal anything, it's a very small portion of the entire capital.
This is of course assuming, once again, that not all of them are collaborating in theft.
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Genbukan
Best Buy INC
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Posted - 2008.01.04 07:22:00 -
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This was to clarify that I have used EBANK and have no reason to displace trust. I will use there service again and again and again. If it turns south it is a chance that I took. This reminds me of the chance I took with you! I only place what I can afford to loose. That is what I would suggest to anyone that is doing an investment, security, and anything else that involves a third party service.
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Balogh
Gallente Real-time EVE Stock Exchange
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Posted - 2008.01.04 07:24:00 -
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Originally by: Riethe The idea of any project like this, if the intention was to steal everyone's money, is to treat the first few waves nicely, use them for word of mouth, and keep building on top of that.
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Riethe
Fine Goods for Fine Gentlemen
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Posted - 2008.01.04 07:33:00 -
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Except that you'd expect EBANK to continue to treat everyone nicely if their intentions are good.
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Monty Kvaran
Caldari Consolidated Sprocket
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Posted - 2008.01.04 07:39:00 -
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Looking at thier Cash Flow statement, for every isk in interest payed out, they have made 2 isk for themselves... sounds like a real bank to me...
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Genbukan
Best Buy INC
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Posted - 2008.01.04 07:39:00 -
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Originally by: Riethe Except that you'd expect EBANK to continue to treat everyone nicely if their intentions are good.
That is very pointless! If they are good why would they treat there customers bad. Your customer is your business and without the customer there is no business. Lastly have a good night!
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Riethe
Fine Goods for Fine Gentlemen
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Posted - 2008.01.04 07:44:00 -
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Originally by: Genbukan
Originally by: Riethe Except that you'd expect EBANK to continue to treat everyone nicely if their intentions are good.
That is very pointless! If they are good why would they treat there customers bad. Your customer is your business and without the customer there is no business. Lastly have a good night!
Since you have difficulty with reading comprehension, you're no longer invited to this conversation.
Balogh will handle all your statements from this point on.
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Genbukan
Best Buy INC
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Posted - 2008.01.04 07:54:00 -
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Originally by: Riethe
Originally by: Genbukan
Originally by: Riethe Except that you'd expect EBANK to continue to treat everyone nicely if their intentions are good.
That is very pointless! If they are good why would they treat there customers bad. Your customer is your business and without the customer there is no business. Lastly have a good night!
Since you have difficulty with reading comprehension, you're no longer invited to this conversation.
Balogh will handle all your statements from this point on.
Way to drive in the opposite direction of the whole topic. There is no other comment to make here as for what I said above.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.01.04 08:04:00 -
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This entire thread was a blatant troll attempt.
Not sure why anyone is even dignifying it with a real response. No real thought went into it. The best response to the OP is this:
Who are you? What do you have to gain from this thread? Why don't you tell us exactly how E-bank operates and tell us who is on the board of directors. If you can't do either of these last two then you clearly know nothing about the topic.
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Genbukan
Best Buy INC
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Posted - 2008.01.04 08:09:00 -
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Could just be a new alt of Riethe. But as always you make a great point.
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LaVista Vista
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2008.01.04 08:31:00 -
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Well. I like to think of myself as a neutral party, who have helped made EBank. Ultimatively dont earn a penny off EBank, but i have the pleasure to work with a team, who i consider to be the cream of the crop when it comes to what they do.
So its waaay beyond my control if EBank is a scam. But i believe we atm have spread the risk over 2 characters, Ricdic and Hexxx. And i think the chances any of them to scam is very little. The amount of time i have spend talking to them is simply totally ********. If they scam, ill have little reason to play eve.
So it is a scam? Its not :)
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Riethe
Fine Goods for Fine Gentlemen
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Posted - 2008.01.04 08:40:00 -
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tell me more about ultimatively dont earning a penny off EBank
atm i think the chances is of a scam is totally sweet. its not even all about that becuase i worked with them and i know for sure its for legit
i coded all the data bases those are the bases where the data gos to be protected from viruses its safe in the bases
not even ebank is of a scam
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LaVista Vista
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2008.01.04 08:44:00 -
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Originally by: Riethe tell me more about ultimatively dont earning a penny off EBank
atm i think the chances is of a scam is totally sweet. its not even all about that becuase i worked with them and i know for sure its for legit
i coded all the data bases those are the bases where the data gos to be protected from viruses its safe in the bases
not even ebank is of a scam
Next time you wanna troll, please try and do a bit better job. I know you can do it better 
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Riethe
Fine Goods for Fine Gentlemen
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Posted - 2008.01.04 08:51:00 -
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Oh, sorry.
It's just that...well...
Your post looked like the equivalent to an art submission on http://artshowforkids.com/galleries.php, and to be honest, it sort of ultimatively makes EBANK look like absolute junk.
You really shouldn't tell so many people you're associated with EBANK in any form.
Consider, ultimatively, proof-reading your posts, or ultimatively, you'll end up doing silly things like this in the future.
EBANK is supposed to be reputable.
Having some 16 year old kid who writes like he just graduated the womb attest to the security of this service is absolutely absurd.
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LaVista Vista
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2008.01.04 08:55:00 -
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Originally by: Riethe Oh, sorry.
It's just that...well...
Your post looked like the equivalent to an art submission on http://artshowforkids.com/galleries.php, and to be honest, it sort of ultimatively makes EBANK look like absolute junk.
You really shouldn't tell so many people you're associated with EBANK in any form.
Consider, ultimatively, proof-reading your posts, or ultimatively, you'll end up doing silly things like this in the future.
EBANK is supposed to be reputable.
Having some 16 year old kid who writes like he just graduated the womb attest to the security of this service is absolutely absurd.
Whoa. Direct personal attacks. Makes you look like a very mature person 
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Riethe
Fine Goods for Fine Gentlemen
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Posted - 2008.01.04 08:59:00 -
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No part of that was a direct personal attack as you claim.
It was an observation of a post that was clearly not very well thought out.
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Dagam
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.04 10:17:00 -
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It's a scam destined to crash and burn much like EIB but ultimately it's pointless trying to convince people of the fact. Either you can see why or you can't.
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Redbad
Minmatar Mean Corp
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Posted - 2008.01.04 11:28:00 -
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There are no scams, only smarter players fooling less smarter players over bits, bytes and pixels.
RB
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Astorothe
Aperture Science Industries
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Posted - 2008.01.04 12:18:00 -
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It's only a scam if you don't pull your iskies out in time =P
j/k
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Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.01.04 14:15:00 -
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Hey, I found another link for you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
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Grismar
Gallente The Establishment
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Posted - 2008.01.04 15:35:00 -
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Edited by: Grismar on 04/01/2008 15:35:58 What EBANK has to deal with, is what every company asking its investors has to deal with: there's always people thinking (and saying) "this is the next big bubble". However, unlike companies in the real world, EVE offers fairly strong anonymity and in game safety from retaliation. Without a lot of trusted players vouching for the trustworthiness of an initiative, it's hard to gain the needed trust because of those.
Openness about their business could alleviate any doubts about their business. A good step in that direction is their openness about their board of directors, though I would expect to see some information on how the money is sa***uarded too. In the end, it all boils down to at least one guy having access to all of the bank's isk. It's still their moral fiber that needs trusting. How that can be fixed in an EVE corp without technical changes to the way wallets work (vote controlled for example), I'm not sure...
Greetings, Grismar.
Edit: lol @ sa***uarded
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.01.04 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Grismar Openness about their business could alleviate any doubts about their business.
I think there are little remaining doubts about Ebank itself. I do totally agree that any concerns are based around the "one bad apple" factor but the only safe guard around that is shared liability to reduce the damage "one bad apple" may do. As to this thread, there is nothing we can do to eliminate pointless trolling. Which is, obviously, why it happens.
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Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.01.04 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Grismar Edited by: Grismar on 04/01/2008 15:35:58 What EBANK has to deal with, is what every company asking its investors has to deal with: there's always people thinking (and saying) "this is the next big bubble". However, unlike companies in the real world, EVE offers fairly strong anonymity and in game safety from retaliation. Without a lot of trusted players vouching for the trustworthiness of an initiative, it's hard to gain the needed trust because of those.
Openness about their business could alleviate any doubts about their business. A good step in that direction is their openness about their board of directors, though I would expect to see some information on how the money is sa***uarded too. In the end, it all boils down to at least one guy having access to all of the bank's isk. It's still their moral fiber that needs trusting. How that can be fixed in an EVE corp without technical changes to the way wallets work (vote controlled for example), I'm not sure...
Greetings, Grismar.
Edit: lol @ sa***uarded
All liquid EBANK cash is split between three people; Ricdic, myself, and Shar Tegal.
Not all EBANK cash are in the wallets of tellers, we do quite a bit in loans and for the moment, the range of isk that sits in any single persons wallet is around 10 to 20 billion. In some cases this will spike to 30 billion for Ricdic since all deposits go through him, before being routed to Shar or myself.
Mr. Horizontal has full API keys for me, Shar, and Ricdic and has the ability to check our wallet balances and transactions as well.
Recently we've been discussing the "hit by a bus" scenario, which basically has the assumption that any one of us may just disappear one day (hence, hit by a bus) and what to do in this event. I can't really say more than this other than that we do keep these things in mind.
Oh yes, we've also processed over 41 billion in withdraws.
For further risk mitigation, I've purchased a test server for EBANK development so that our developers and testers can fully stress-test new features before they go "live" on the main EBANK site. Every precaution that we've thought of, we've explored. There are daily backups made of our database (which is the key to EBANK) and if we had to "restore" EBANK from a backup and wallet API data....we could. It wouldn't be pretty, and we'd probably shut down for a few days to do it....but it could be done.
Hope that answers some of your questions.
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Ufl
Caldari Nucon
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Posted - 2008.01.04 16:34:00 -
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Edited by: Ufl on 04/01/2008 16:35:04
Originally by: Vedz I was reading these forums and noticed a lot of people talking about EBANK, but all those people sound like shills. There's always some guy who starts a thread asking about some great feature of EBANK and how it works, and his question is quickly answered by another guy who 'works' at EBANK in a advertising fashion. This is kind of reminiscent of that 700b Ponzi scheme. Some links I found:
http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/23/1918246
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme
He's right, when I posted about NUEX I was getting replies that were extremely similar in nature but coming from multiple players - who technically COULD all be the same player.
For all we know EBANK's "Board of Directors" could be a bunch of alts and 1 person playing them, maybe 2 friends trying to ready a large scam.
Question is, why doesnt EBANK have 100% of the deposits available for withdrawal? If theres a run on the bank how would it be handled? And if EBANK is not in 100% control of all its deposits, who is, where is it, what is it doing, how is it being used, and how can it be guaranteed that the money will make it back to the depositor?
Vedz post just helped confirm my notion that EBANK has 1 or 2 player who runs multiple characters who front as EBANK workers or representatives or friends.
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FastLearner
Fury Holdings Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.01.04 16:47:00 -
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Edited by: FastLearner on 04/01/2008 16:51:53
Originally by: Ufl Edited by: Ufl on 04/01/2008 16:35:04
Originally by: Vedz I was reading these forums and noticed a lot of people talking about EBANK, but all those people sound like shills. There's always some guy who starts a thread asking about some great feature of EBANK and how it works, and his question is quickly answered by another guy who 'works' at EBANK in a advertising fashion. This is kind of reminiscent of that 700b Ponzi scheme. Some links I found:
http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/23/1918246
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme
He's right, when I posted about NUEX I was getting replies that were extremely similar in nature but coming from multiple players - who technically COULD all be the same player.
For all we know EBANK's "Board of Directors" could be a bunch of alts and 1 person playing them, maybe 2 friends trying to ready a large scam.
Question is, why doesnt EBANK have 100% of the deposits available for withdrawal? If theres a run on the bank how would it be handled? And if EBANK is not in 100% control of all its deposits, who is, where is it, what is it doing, how is it being used, and how can it be guaranteed that the money will make it back to the depositor?
Vedz post just helped confirm my notion that EBANK has 1 or 2 player who runs multiple characters who front as EBANK workers or representatives or friends.
While it may currently be a "trustworthy" system there are go guarantees as usual.
If you'd been around longer you'd realise that the majority of their directors have long and diverse histories and have been established to the satisfaction of all the regulars on here as being seperate individuals.
Why don't they keep all ISK on hand? Because if they did that, how would they make ISK to pay out interest? If there's a run on the bank they have access at short notice to other funds. If that failed they could offer a short-term bond here and would undoubtedly get it fully subscribed fast.
Obviously it's not a "Guaranteed" system - no Eve financial institution CAN be fully guaranteed. As, no matter how many people are involved, there always exists a finite possibility that they're all scamming. Saying you "guarantee" something doesn't make that true. Claiming you have all the ISK to repay deposits also doesn't make that true.
The only area on which I agree with you (to an extent) is that some of EBank's claims of limiting access by individuals are somehat disengenuous: they discount securities lodged with them (or lodged with their Directors on the back of EBank's reputation) and they don't account for the extra access gained if someone DID scam - as such an individual would obviously take steps to maximise what they could grab before running (e.g. whoever receives deposits claiming a family emergency after an expansion so that deposits built up in their account for a period of time).
I'd suggest you devote more time to establishing your own reputation, rather than worrying too much about EBank's. Despite my previous paragraph they're (from a third-party's perspective) one of the most trustworthy organisations around at the moment. I say from a third-party's perspective - as obviously every legitimate IPO owner KNOWS that they're 100% safe, and hence actually the safest thing around.
EDIT: You should also try to do something about your memory. You already asked the 100% funds available question a while ago - and received clear and detailed answers on how EBank addressed that issue. Now I'm waiting for the comedy "you're an alt of Ricdic" post :)
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Jon Sanng
Minmatar Conducti
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Posted - 2008.01.04 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ufl Edited by: Ufl on 04/01/2008 16:35:04
Originally by: Vedz I was reading these forums and noticed a lot of people talking about EBANK, but all those people sound like shills. There's always some guy who starts a thread asking about some great feature of EBANK and how it works, and his question is quickly answered by another guy who 'works' at EBANK in a advertising fashion. This is kind of reminiscent of that 700b Ponzi scheme. Some links I found:
http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/23/1918246
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme
He's right, when I posted about NUEX I was getting replies that were extremely similar in nature but coming from multiple players - who technically COULD all be the same player.
For all we know EBANK's "Board of Directors" could be a bunch of alts and 1 person playing them, maybe 2 friends trying to ready a large scam.
Question is, why doesnt EBANK have 100% of the deposits available for withdrawal? If theres a run on the bank how would it be handled? And if EBANK is not in 100% control of all its deposits, who is, where is it, what is it doing, how is it being used, and how can it be guaranteed that the money will make it back to the depositor?
Vedz post just helped confirm my notion that EBANK has 1 or 2 player who runs multiple characters who front as EBANK workers or representatives or friends.
While it may currently be a "trustworthy" system there are go guarantees as usual.
I wonder if it's possible for you to sink any further than you already have.
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LaVista Vista
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2008.01.04 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: Ufl Edited by: Ufl on 04/01/2008 16:35:04
Originally by: Vedz I was reading these forums and noticed a lot of people talking about EBANK, but all those people sound like shills. There's always some guy who starts a thread asking about some great feature of EBANK and how it works, and his question is quickly answered by another guy who 'works' at EBANK in a advertising fashion. This is kind of reminiscent of that 700b Ponzi scheme. Some links I found:
http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/23/1918246
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme
He's right, when I posted about NUEX I was getting replies that were extremely similar in nature but coming from multiple players - who technically COULD all be the same player.
For all we know EBANK's "Board of Directors" could be a bunch of alts and 1 person playing them, maybe 2 friends trying to ready a large scam.
Question is, why doesnt EBANK have 100% of the deposits available for withdrawal? If theres a run on the bank how would it be handled? And if EBANK is not in 100% control of all its deposits, who is, where is it, what is it doing, how is it being used, and how can it be guaranteed that the money will make it back to the depositor?
Vedz post just helped confirm my notion that EBANK has 1 or 2 player who runs multiple characters who front as EBANK workers or representatives or friends.
While it may currently be a "trustworthy" system there are go guarantees as usual.
Despite the fact that i happen to know that the EBank crew consists of people from Denmark(Me), Chicago(I believe hexxx is from there), Sydney(Ricdic) and several other places, we all have VERY different accents on teamspeak(I invited you to join several times, but you never responded, Ufail) and Ricdic cant do programming which several of the EBank crew can, i fully support all totally rambling crazy conspiracy theories.
May i also add that we all are Sir Molle & Istvaan S. alts? 
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Dungar Loghoth
Caldari Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.01.04 17:01:00 -
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Man, all these people saying how EBANK differs from all those other scam banks are sure going to be sorry in a few months.
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LaVista Vista
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2008.01.04 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Man, all these people saying how EBANK differs from all those other scam banks are sure going to be sorry in a few months.
Hey, how long do you think its gonna take? How about we take a bet on it? Maybe have Chribba broker it?
Oh crap, we are all Chribba alts 
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Ki Tarra
Caldari Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.01.04 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Ufl Edited by: Ufl on 04/01/2008 16:35:04
Originally by: Vedz I was reading these forums and noticed a lot of people talking about EBANK, but all those people sound like shills. There's always some guy who starts a thread asking about some great feature of EBANK and how it works, and his question is quickly answered by another guy who 'works' at EBANK in a advertising fashion. This is kind of reminiscent of that 700b Ponzi scheme. Some links I found:
http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/23/1918246
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme
He's right, when I posted about NUEX I was getting replies that were extremely similar in nature but coming from multiple players - who technically COULD all be the same player.
For all we know EBANK's "Board of Directors" could be a bunch of alts and 1 person playing them, maybe 2 friends trying to ready a large scam.
Question is, why doesnt EBANK have 100% of the deposits available for withdrawal? If theres a run on the bank how would it be handled? And if EBANK is not in 100% control of all its deposits, who is, where is it, what is it doing, how is it being used, and how can it be guaranteed that the money will make it back to the depositor?
Vedz post just helped confirm my notion that EBANK has 1 or 2 player who runs multiple characters who front as EBANK workers or representatives or friends.
While it may currently be a "trustworthy" system there are go guarantees as usual.
I had originally thought to post this link when I first saw this thread, but didn't because this was more accurate, and I did not want to feed the troll.
Now that trolling OP seems to have disappeared, but the FUD spreading competitor has stepped up, I would be more inclined to beleive that Ufl is the OP than EBANK's Board of Directors could be a bunch of alts with 1 person playing them.
The suggestion that EBANK is run by one person has the same credibity as NUEX's initial claim to be the first stock exchange in New Eden.
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SencneS
Amarr Spartan Industrial Manufacturing SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.04 17:16:00 -
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I'll chime in on here too at the risk of excessive assurances. I consider myself a straight shooter. If I don't like something I'll say it and if asked a question I'll give my honest answer.
EBank reminds me of work, everything is very clear, and there is a defined path for new features or options being added.
Hexx or Mr H. posts that everything is the current Phase or projects are done and are looking for more ideas. The board throws out ideas, has endless discussion about it, sometimes it gets heated. We mull over scenarios, what can happen, what will happen, even what people will think about the feature.
A while ago EBank asked on this forum what do the customers want to see. Each and every idea was talked about at length, the pros and cons of each. Then how can we expand on that, is there another way, can we make it easier?
To be bluntly honest if we took this model into real life each board member would be a consultant from a different consulting company all working together to create the perfect mix. This doesn't happen in real life very often, I can tell you for the most part President's and CEO's often hear ideas and pick the one they like the most and everyone developers that idea. There is no thinking outside the box because people don't want to look like they are not working on what the CEO wants.
EBank doesn't have this problem. As board of Directors we are not paid, our "Income" from EBank is exactly the same as every other customer of EBank. The interest in our accounts is all the ISK we get from EBank. Our programmer's are compensated for their work, but I believe they have never accepted a Pay check yet. This means that we are not afraid to throw out crappy ideas and have the board work it into a good one, or be rejected outright.
After decades in real life working with Customers and Executive Management I can honestly say EBank is a better business model then any other company I've seen, real or Virtual.
All of these checks and balances, scenarios, heated discussions, even questioning EBank and Ricdic. I would find it hard to believe if EBank turned into a scam. Don't think for one second that we just talk about features to be added. Some of the most heated discussions have been around the Processes EBank has and the way it deals with Loans, Deposits, withdrawals. If I had to classify each Board member I would say "Sticklers for details and processes." Believe me when I say, if someone doesn't like something every board member hears about it and works on a resolution until all board members are happy.
Sorry for the wall of text but ask any of the Board members it's just how I am 
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LaVista Vista
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Edited by: LaVista Vista on 04/01/2008 17:20:42
Originally by: SencneS If I had to classify each Board member I would say "Sticklers for details and processes."
Im afraid it couldnt be more true, which is brilliant.
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Kwint Sommer
Incoherent Inc Otaku Invasion
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Posted - 2008.01.04 17:41:00 -
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If you don't think Ebank is trustworthy, don't use them. If you know they're not trustworthy, give some evidence. Given that you don't have any, go troll some other part of the forum. ___________________________________________ 5% Mining Implants & 5% Manufacturing Implants *From 110M to 150M |

Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.01.04 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Kwint Sommer If you don't think Ebank is trustworthy, don't use them. If you know they're not trustworthy, give some evidence. Given that you don't have any, go troll some other part of the forum.
Indeed.
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Jane Spondogolo
NoobWaffe
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Posted - 2008.01.04 18:01:00 -
[39]
Edited by: Jane Spondogolo on 04/01/2008 18:01:21 edit: oops ______ Unrepentant Southern Federation Cheerleader.
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Mr Horizontal
Gallente KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.04 18:15:00 -
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Personally I believe this endless debate on whether EBANK is a scam or trustworthy and so on and so forth actually only serves to strengthen EBANK's credentials as a trustworthy organisation. In fact I'd invite everyone to express any hopes and fears they have with EBANK to ensure that their question is duly and properly answered.
Now in this thread I'm really liking the fact that 2 of EBANK's biggest critics and competitors: Shadarle and FastLearner are in fact arguing in EBANK's favour. Heck even Riethe is providing a 50/50 pro/con argument only shows that even a scammer can see the sheer merit of EBANK.
Finally, anyone who has half a clue about making in ISK in EVE and knows how a bank works will know 2 facts: - Having the money in your wallet is not as good as the rate at which you earn money - Once a bank reaches a critical mass, it's a perpetual money making machine whatever the scenario of the market outside it. So, given these 2 facts, EBANK is actually better off as it is, making a ton and a half of money than it would be to scam. So why on earth would 9 of the most reputable people in EVE's market all jointly ruin years of reputation to scam when they can legitimately make more money from EBANK as it stands, keeping it above board without scamming?
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Arctur Ceti
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Posted - 2008.01.04 19:23:00 -
[41]
First rule of eve:
Do not trust anyone. Period.
When **** goes down you will only have yourself to blame.
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Ufl
Caldari Nucon
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Posted - 2008.01.04 19:45:00 -
[42]
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Ufl Edited by: Ufl on 04/01/2008 16:35:04
Originally by: Vedz I was reading these forums and noticed a lot of people talking about EBANK, but all those people sound like shills. There's always some guy who starts a thread asking about some great feature of EBANK and how it works, and his question is quickly answered by another guy who 'works' at EBANK in a advertising fashion. This is kind of reminiscent of that 700b Ponzi scheme. Some links I found:
http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/23/1918246
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme
He's right, when I posted about NUEX I was getting replies that were extremely similar in nature but coming from multiple players - who technically COULD all be the same player.
For all we know EBANK's "Board of Directors" could be a bunch of alts and 1 person playing them, maybe 2 friends trying to ready a large scam.
Question is, why doesnt EBANK have 100% of the deposits available for withdrawal? If theres a run on the bank how would it be handled? And if EBANK is not in 100% control of all its deposits, who is, where is it, what is it doing, how is it being used, and how can it be guaranteed that the money will make it back to the depositor?
Vedz post just helped confirm my notion that EBANK has 1 or 2 player who runs multiple characters who front as EBANK workers or representatives or friends.
While it may currently be a "trustworthy" system there are go guarantees as usual.
Despite the fact that i happen to know that the EBank crew consists of people from Denmark(Me), Chicago(I believe hexxx is from there), Sydney(Ricdic) and several other places, we all have VERY different accents on teamspeak(I invited you to join several times, but you never responded, Ufail) and Ricdic cant do programming which several of the EBank crew can, i fully support all totally rambling crazy conspiracy theories.
May i also add that we all are Sir Molle & Istvaan S. alts? 
You have different accents on teamspeak?
Thats the guarantee?
Anyone can get 5 cpu boxes hooked up with 10 mics, 10 players, 10 ip's, 10 fake locations, and be one person emulating 10 accents.. whats to stop EBANK from doing the same? If they arent already?
As for my reputation, there is none to be lost or gained here - and I am not the OP or contributer to this post and its suggestions. I am just voicing my opinions as well. Come into my vent and ill show you how well I can make many different voices too.. its not hard.
Other posters are right, EVE provides a large gap to prevent form retaliation, so if it were true that EBANK is a scam, and run by a bunch of scammers, or one scammer pretending to be Lavista, Shardale, Ricdic, Assens, they all seem to log in and out at the same time too...
Its always a possiblity, and they will always say it isnt if its the truth.
So EBANK, why dont you provide numbers proving that if a run on the bank were to happen and 80% of your depositors wanted to withdraw how you would "so quickly" come up with this invisible ISK.
According to your balance sheets theres a 7bil ISK descrepency? Thats what, 10% of your total assets? Where is it? Thats a lot, 1 out of 13 depositors doesnt really have money in their account? or is it more like 7 out of 13?
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LaVista Vista
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2008.01.04 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: Ufl
Other posters are right, EVE provides a large gap to prevent form retaliation, so if it were true that EBANK is a scam, and run by a bunch of scammers, or one scammer pretending to be Lavista, Shardale, Ricdic, Assens, they all seem to log in and out at the same time too...
Neither Shardale or Assens is affiliate with EBank as far as im aware.
Also, you have no proof, just lame claims.
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Ulecese
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Posted - 2008.01.04 20:02:00 -
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Quote: I was reading these forums and noticed a lot of people talking about EBANK, but all those people sound like shills. There's always some guy who starts a thread asking about some great feature of EBANK and how it works, and his question is quickly answered by another guy who 'works' at EBANK in a advertising fashion. This is kind of reminiscent of that 700b Ponzi scheme. Some links I found:
http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/23/1918246
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme
The key difference between EBANK and EIB is that EBANK has a hell of alot of sa***uards in place for theft damage limitation... EIB did not.
On a slightly related topic, has anyone else noticed that the EIB perpetrator Dentara Rast is back ingame and active? Did he not get perma-banned for selling the isk on ebay?
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SencneS
Amarr Spartan Industrial Manufacturing SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.04 20:03:00 -
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What about me WHAT ABOUT ME Who's alt am I? 
I love the "He's an alt, of that alt who is this person" talk because not ONE of you every comes out and declares me an alt to anyone. Why is that? Am I just not that memorable or is my posting style so different from others that to question that just makes you look like a Mongoloid?
I posted on this thread to dang nab-et and yet hostilities are just placed on a select few?
What's the matter? You'd rather pick you battle against people who are a higher profile? In order to make yourself appear stronger? Well I'm EBank too and anything you say about my fellow board members or about EBank is a direct assault on myself as well.
So in the immortal words of Pat Benatar "Hit me with your best shot."
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Brisco Smiley
Peppermint Bay Trading Company
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Posted - 2008.01.04 20:08:00 -
[46]
There is no Keyser Soze.
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Ufl
Caldari Nucon
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Posted - 2008.01.04 20:21:00 -
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Edited by: Ufl on 04/01/2008 20:21:47
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Ufl
Other posters are right, EVE provides a large gap to prevent form retaliation, so if it were true that EBANK is a scam, and run by a bunch of scammers, or one scammer pretending to be Lavista, Shardale, Ricdic, Assens, they all seem to log in and out at the same time too...
Neither Shardale or Assens is affiliate with EBank as far as im aware.
Also, you have no proof, just lame claims.
Lol in your other post you talk about maturity mr cookie monster!
Hexxx, Ricdic, Shadarle, LaVista Vista all the same players to me, theres a bunch more that I have logged in my address book.. all log in and out at the same time or within minutes of each other... anyone can check by adding you to their address book.
If EBANK is not a scam then you need to prove it - wheres the numeral breakdown? Lets hear more about this 7bil ISK thats missing or unaccounted for.. Tell us about the 2isk you made for yourselves for every 1isk in interest..
Hah, just using the word "BANK" is a scam for your business - its an investment firm! Nothings guaranteed!
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Ufl
Caldari Nucon
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Posted - 2008.01.04 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Ufl
Other posters are right, EVE provides a large gap to prevent form retaliation, so if it were true that EBANK is a scam, and run by a bunch of scammers, or one scammer pretending to be Lavista, Shardale, Ricdic, Assens, they all seem to log in and out at the same time too...
I just realized...
HEXXX RICDIC
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Arvald
Caldari House of Tempers
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Posted - 2008.01.04 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Riethe Oh, sorry.
It's just that...well...
Your post looked like the equivalent to an art submission on http://artshowforkids.com/galleries.php, and to be honest, it sort of ultimatively makes EBANK look like absolute junk.
You really shouldn't tell so many people you're associated with EBANK in any form.
Consider, ultimatively, proof-reading your posts, or ultimatively, you'll end up doing silly things like this in the future.
EBANK is supposed to be reputable.
Having some 16 year old kid who writes like he just graduated the womb attest to the security of this service is absolutely absurd.
Whoa. Direct personal attacks. Makes you look like a very mature person 
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Ufl
Caldari Nucon
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Posted - 2008.01.04 20:33:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Brisco Smiley There is no Keyser Soze.

You and Alz Shado are sure posting a lot to try and bump this thread down.
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jongalt
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Posted - 2008.01.04 20:34:00 -
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since there are no enforceable GAAP policies, any "audit" (third-party or otherwise) is subject to the same "trust-issues" that have been discussed in previous topics.
you still have to "trust the numbers".
GAAP policies (and their audits & and their auditors) minimize the "risk" that those numbers are "false"; but dont guarantee it.
-jg.
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I337
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Posted - 2008.01.04 20:36:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Ufl Edited by: Ufl on 04/01/2008 20:21:47
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Ufl
Other posters are right, EVE provides a large gap to prevent form retaliation, so if it were true that EBANK is a scam, and run by a bunch of scammers, or one scammer pretending to be Lavista, Shardale, Ricdic, Assens, they all seem to log in and out at the same time too...
Neither Shardale or Assens is affiliate with EBank as far as im aware.
Also, you have no proof, just lame claims.
Lol in your other post you talk about maturity mr cookie monster!
Hexxx, Ricdic, Shadarle, LaVista Vista all the same players to me, theres a bunch more that I have logged in my address book.. all log in and out at the same time or within minutes of each other... anyone can check by adding you to their address book.
If EBANK is not a scam then you need to prove it - wheres the numeral breakdown? Lets hear more about this 7bil ISK thats missing or unaccounted for.. Tell us about the 2isk you made for yourselves for every 1isk in interest..
Hah, just using the word "BANK" is a scam for your business - its an investment firm! Nothings guaranteed!
You really shouldnt throw stones from a glass house.
These questions make a lot of sense can ebank please give answers to them?
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Robacz
Essence Trade Essence Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.01.04 20:38:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Ufl
Originally by: Brisco Smiley There is no Keyser Soze.

Good movie, watch it. 
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Fader Bane
Black Knight Buccaneers Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.01.04 20:40:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Ufl Edited by: Ufl on 04/01/2008 20:21:47
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Ufl
Other posters are right, EVE provides a large gap to prevent form retaliation, so if it were true that EBANK is a scam, and run by a bunch of scammers, or one scammer pretending to be Lavista, Shardale, Ricdic, Assens, they all seem to log in and out at the same time too...
Neither Shardale or Assens is affiliate with EBank as far as im aware.
Also, you have no proof, just lame claims.
Lol in your other post you talk about maturity mr cookie monster!
Hexxx, Ricdic, Shadarle, LaVista Vista all the same players to me, theres a bunch more that I have logged in my address book.. all log in and out at the same time or within minutes of each other... anyone can check by adding you to their address book.
If EBANK is not a scam then you need to prove it - wheres the numeral breakdown? Lets hear more about this 7bil ISK thats missing or unaccounted for.. Tell us about the 2isk you made for yourselves for every 1isk in interest..
Hah, just using the word "BANK" is a scam for your business - its an investment firm! Nothings guaranteed!
You really shouldnt throw stones from a glass house.
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LaVista Vista
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2008.01.04 20:41:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Ufl Edited by: Ufl on 04/01/2008 20:21:47
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Ufl
Other posters are right, EVE provides a large gap to prevent form retaliation, so if it were true that EBANK is a scam, and run by a bunch of scammers, or one scammer pretending to be Lavista, Shardale, Ricdic, Assens, they all seem to log in and out at the same time too...
Neither Shardale or Assens is affiliate with EBank as far as im aware.
Also, you have no proof, just lame claims.
Lol in your other post you talk about maturity mr cookie monster!
Hexxx, Ricdic, Shadarle, LaVista Vista all the same players to me, theres a bunch more that I have logged in my address book.. all log in and out at the same time or within minutes of each other... anyone can check by adding you to their address book.
If EBANK is not a scam then you need to prove it - wheres the numeral breakdown? Lets hear more about this 7bil ISK thats missing or unaccounted for.. Tell us about the 2isk you made for yourselves for every 1isk in interest..
Hah, just using the word "BANK" is a scam for your business - its an investment firm! Nothings guaranteed!
You really shouldnt throw stones from a glass house.
Totally bull****. Your conspiracy theory doesnt hold at all.
What does Shardale have to do with EBank? Why should be the above mentioned persons?
Why did Ricdic use my name(If your theory is right) to create CAP4U and Red Army Inc, when he would have gotten the isk much easier with the Ricdic name? Why did RIcdic have to create Cap4U, when he inherited TCCS anyways?
Also, we dont log in and out at the same time. Ricdic and I have done that a couple of times, when we went playing Call Of Duty 4. If you join our TS, you will see we even have a dedicated channel for that.
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I337
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Posted - 2008.01.04 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Ufl
If EBANK is not a scam then you need to prove it - wheres the numeral breakdown? Lets hear more about this 7bil ISK thats missing or unaccounted for.. Tell us about the 2isk you made for yourselves for every 1isk in interest..
Hah, just using the word "BANK" is a scam for your business - its an investment firm! Nothings guaranteed!
You really shouldnt throw stones from a glass house.
I want to know more from ebank about these missings funds, with supportive evidence, facts and proof.
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LaVista Vista
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2008.01.04 20:43:00 -
[57]
Edited by: LaVista Vista on 04/01/2008 20:44:32
Originally by: I337
Originally by: Ufl
If EBANK is not a scam then you need to prove it - wheres the numeral breakdown? Lets hear more about this 7bil ISK thats missing or unaccounted for.. Tell us about the 2isk you made for yourselves for every 1isk in interest..
Hah, just using the word "BANK" is a scam for your business - its an investment firm! Nothings guaranteed!
You really shouldnt throw stones from a glass house.
I want to know more from ebank about these missings funds, with supportive evidence, facts and proof.
Hi trolling alt. If you read the other post, im pretty sure it addresses it ;)
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.01.04 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ufl Hexxx, Ricdic, Shadarle, LaVista Vista all the same players to me, theres a bunch more that I have logged in my address book.. all log in and out at the same time or within minutes of each other... anyone can check by adding you to their address book.
I am here to confirm Ricdic is my alt.
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Lyn Li
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Posted - 2008.01.04 20:45:00 -
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Edited by: Lyn Li on 04/01/2008 20:45:12 What about this post on a different thread about ebank concerns?
Originally by: Stardust999 aren't pyramid schemes fun?
I guess the old scams are still the best scams.
36bn unaccounted for? "Nah...its just a bit of bad documentation...."
Good luck
Still no explenation for it, just some guy saying not to worry.
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LaVista Vista
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2008.01.04 20:49:00 -
[60]
Edited by: LaVista Vista on 04/01/2008 20:50:56
Originally by: I337
Why are there no ebank representatives here to explain this? They are avoiding important questions..
I think the answer is in the other thread.
But why should i even take you serious, when you are a trolling alt? Seriously, post with your main. Which i would guess is Ufl 
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Arvald
Caldari House of Tempers
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Posted - 2008.01.04 20:50:00 -
[61]
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: I337
Why are there no ebank representatives here to explain this? They are avoiding important questions..
I think the answer is in the own thread.
But why should i even take you serious, when you are a trolling alt? Seriously, post with your main. Which i would guess is Ufl 
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LaVista Vista
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2008.01.04 20:50:00 -
[62]
Edited by: LaVista Vista on 04/01/2008 20:50:41
Originally by: Arvald
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: I337
Why are there no ebank representatives here to explain this? They are avoiding important questions..
I think the answer is in the other thread.
But why should i even take you serious, when you are a trolling alt? Seriously, post with your main. Which i would guess is Ufl 

Silly, i made a mistake in the post, and i qouted instead of editing.
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Ufl
Caldari Nucon
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Posted - 2008.01.04 20:51:00 -
[63]
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Ufl Edited by: Ufl on 04/01/2008 20:21:47
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Ufl
Other posters are right, EVE provides a large gap to prevent form retaliation, so if it were true that EBANK is a scam, and run by a bunch of scammers, or one scammer pretending to be Lavista, Shardale, Ricdic, Assens, they all seem to log in and out at the same time too...
Neither Shardale or Assens is affiliate with EBank as far as im aware.
Also, you have no proof, just lame claims.
Lol in your other post you talk about maturity mr cookie monster!
Hexxx, Ricdic, Shadarle, LaVista Vista all the same players to me, theres a bunch more that I have logged in my address book.. all log in and out at the same time or within minutes of each other... anyone can check by adding you to their address book.
If EBANK is not a scam then you need to prove it - wheres the numeral breakdown? Lets hear more about this 7bil ISK thats missing or unaccounted for.. Tell us about the 2isk you made for yourselves for every 1isk in interest..
Hah, just using the word "BANK" is a scam for your business - its an investment firm! Nothings guaranteed!
You really shouldnt throw stones from a glass house.
Totally bull****. Your conspiracy theory doesnt hold at all.
What does Shardale have to do with EBank? Why should be the above mentioned persons?
Why did Ricdic use my name(If your theory is right) to create CAP4U and Red Army Inc, when he would have gotten the isk much easier with the Ricdic name? Why did RIcdic have to create Cap4U, when he inherited TCCS anyways?
Also, we dont log in and out at the same time. Ricdic and I have done that a couple of times, when we went playing Call Of Duty 4. If you join our TS, you will see we even have a dedicated channel for that.
Whats with the aggressive defensive posts?
How about some pure facts to enlighten us on why 7billion, or 36billion ISK is missing or not counter for... this is ridiculous.
How is EBANK even allowed the word "BANK" if it just invests money with no way to guarantee it will be paid back to the depositor.. thats not a bank... especially when it makes 200% profit on interest instead of paying that interest out to its rightful customers.
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Lyn Li
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Posted - 2008.01.04 20:52:00 -
[64]
Edited by: Lyn Li on 04/01/2008 20:52:53
Originally by: Vedz I was reading these forums and noticed a lot of people talking about EBANK, but all those people sound like shills. There's always some guy who starts a thread asking about some great feature of EBANK and how it works, and his question is quickly answered by another guy who 'works' at EBANK in a advertising fashion. This is kind of reminiscent of that 700b Ponzi scheme. Some links I found:
http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/23/1918246
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme
No one from ebank has addressed him yet why not?
Wheres the evidence? I think he's right.
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LaVista Vista
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2008.01.04 20:53:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Ufl
Whats with the aggressive defensive posts?
How about some pure facts to enlighten us on why 7billion, or 36billion ISK is missing or not counter for... this is ridiculous.
How is EBANK even allowed the word "BANK" if it just invests money with no way to guarantee it will be paid back to the depositor.. thats not a bank... especially when it makes 200% profit on interest instead of paying that interest out to its rightful customers.
This is a scam waiting to happen.
Its hardly agressive. Its just stating a fact.
The 7 and 36bill is addressed in the other post as far as im aware.
Again, if you wanna take bets on if EBank is a scam or not, im up for that. Put your money where your mouth is. Else, what differs you from all the trolls?
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LaVista Vista
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2008.01.04 20:54:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Lyn Li Edited by: Lyn Li on 04/01/2008 20:52:53
Originally by: Vedz I was reading these forums and noticed a lot of people talking about EBANK, but all those people sound like shills. There's always some guy who starts a thread asking about some great feature of EBANK and how it works, and his question is quickly answered by another guy who 'works' at EBANK in a advertising fashion. This is kind of reminiscent of that 700b Ponzi scheme. Some links I found:
http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/23/1918246
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme
No one from ebank has addressed him yet why not?
Wheres the evidence? I think he's right.
Seriously. Stop all the alt trolling.
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2008.01.04 21:04:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Ufl
Originally by: Vedz I was reading these forums and noticed a lot of people talking about EBANK, but all those people sound like shills. There's always some guy who starts a thread asking about some great feature of EBANK and how it works, and his question is quickly answered by another guy who 'works' at EBANK in a advertising fashion. This is kind of reminiscent of that 700b Ponzi scheme. Some links I found:
http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/23/1918246
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme
He's right, when I posted about NUEX I was getting replies that were extremely similar in nature but coming from multiple players - who technically COULD all be the same player.
For all we know EBANK's "Board of Directors" could be a bunch of alts and 1 person playing them, maybe 2 friends trying to ready a large scam.
Question is, why doesnt EBANK have 100% of the deposits available for withdrawal? If theres a run on the bank how would it be handled? And if EBANK is not in 100% control of all its deposits, who is, where is it, what is it doing, how is it being used, and how can it be guaranteed that the money will make it back to the depositor?
Vedz post just helped confirm my notion that EBANK has 1 or 2 player who runs multiple characters who front as EBANK workers or representatives or friends.
While it may currently be a "trustworthy" system there are go guarantees as usual.
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Fitz VonHeise
The New Order. United Connection's
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Posted - 2008.01.04 21:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ufl This is a scam waiting to happen.
Why should anyone believe you when you are a direct competitor to EBank and are obviously doing forum PvP against them?
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Riethe
Fine Goods for Fine Gentlemen
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Posted - 2008.01.04 21:08:00 -
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hey minerva what's going on in this thread
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Selene D'Celeste
Caldari The D'Celeste Estate
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Posted - 2008.01.04 21:09:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Ufl How is EBANK even allowed the word "BANK" if it just invests money with no way to guarantee it will be paid back to the depositor.. thats not a bank... especially when it makes 200% profit on interest instead of paying that interest out to its rightful customers.
Few more days before I get back from traveling, but I had to ask: do you even know how banks work in real life?
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.01.04 21:10:00 -
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I would say one thing learned from this post, LV should not be put in any PR positions.
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LaVista Vista
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2008.01.04 21:11:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Shadarle I would say one thing learned from this post, LV should not be put in any PR positions.
I will never be. Im just speaking my own mind. And those alt trolls kinda ****ed me off :/
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SencneS
Amarr Spartan Industrial Manufacturing SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.04 21:11:00 -
[73]
I AM on the Board of Directors, I am here representing EBank. 
Yet the trolls are skipping over me like I'm not here. Why are you gutless wonders not throwing stuff at me? Why attack Hexx, Ricdic, La Vista, and people who are not even affiliated with EBank?
I'm a director, I'm here. Come you piece of manure lets rumble, I welcome the challenge. 
Right at this very moment I want everyone to go to their EBank accounts and check their balances. Is it off? or is it exactly what you expect?
Remember I went though yesterday and added up all the account balances and they match with the totals on the website. Why has no one come forth about being shorted ISK? Why has there not been people screaming to the tune of 36 billion ISK MISSING??
What you think people missing 36 billion ISK are just going to say meh it's not worth it to fight about it. And I don't care enough about people to warn them of EBanks system errors.
If you believe that you need to grow a brain.
Come on people where are you. Apparently these trolls say we've shorted someone or a group of people up to 36,000,000,000 ISK, speak up!
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2008.01.04 21:12:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Riethe hey minerva what's going on in this thread
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LaVista Vista
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2008.01.04 21:14:00 -
[75]
Edited by: LaVista Vista on 04/01/2008 21:14:49
Originally by: Minerva Vulcan
Originally by: Riethe hey minerva what's going on in this thread
So far as I can tell Vedz = Ulf = I337 = Lyn Vi
Fixed it for you.
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2008.01.04 21:15:00 -
[76]
Originally by: LaVista Vista Edited by: LaVista Vista on 04/01/2008 21:14:49
Originally by: Minerva Vulcan
Originally by: Riethe hey minerva what's going on in this thread
So far as I can tell Vedz = Ulf = I337 = Lyn Vi
Fixed it for you.
Right. I missed that one. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets. |

SencneS
Amarr Spartan Industrial Manufacturing SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.04 21:16:00 -
[77]
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Shadarle I would say one thing learned from this post, LV should not be put in any PR positions.
I will never be. Im just speaking my own mind. And those alt trolls kinda ****ed me off :/
I'm trying to take some load off you LaVista Vista but these trolls appear to have something directly against you and a select few.
They would rather attack the person and what they represent thought you rather then attack the real issue and everyone involved.
Hint to the Troll: Yes I'm on your back, and I am not letting go until you start attacking me along with everyone else in EBank!
Amarr for Life |

Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.01.04 21:20:00 -
[78]
Originally by: SencneS
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Shadarle I would say one thing learned from this post, LV should not be put in any PR positions.
I will never be. Im just speaking my own mind. And those alt trolls kinda ****ed me off :/
I'm trying to take some load off you LaVista Vista but these trolls appear to have something directly against you and a select few.
That's what happens when you feed the trolls, they keep coming back for more.
You handle trolls by laughing at them. Unless they have real legitimate points, then you better set them straight. In this case it's clear FUD, so there is no reason to continue arguing with them.
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Riethe
Fine Goods for Fine Gentlemen
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Posted - 2008.01.04 21:21:00 -
[79]
Originally by: SencneS Why attack Hexx, Ricdic, La Vista, and people who are not even affiliated with EBank?
THIS JUST IN!!! Hexxx changes his name to Hexx!
Ricdic and Hexx both quit EBANK and pass all the control over to SencneS!
They are not even affiliated with EBank!!?
More shocking updates are unraveling on the scene as we speak.
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Arvald
Caldari House of Tempers
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Posted - 2008.01.04 21:22:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Shadarle
Originally by: SencneS
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Shadarle I would say one thing learned from this post, LV should not be put in any PR positions.
I will never be. Im just speaking my own mind. And those alt trolls kinda ****ed me off :/
I'm trying to take some load off you LaVista Vista but these trolls appear to have something directly against you and a select few.
That's what happens when you feed the trolls, they keep coming back for more.
You handle trolls by laughing at them. Unless they have real legitimate points, then you better set them straight. In this case it's clear FUD, so there is no reason to continue arguing with them.
i find that sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming LALALALALALALALALALALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH works fairly well ---------------------------
Originally by: Last Wolf I prefer smartass, but I like some variety now and then.
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LaVista Vista
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2008.01.04 21:26:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Riethe
Originally by: SencneS Why attack Hexx, Ricdic, La Vista, and people who are not even affiliated with EBank?
THIS JUST IN!!! Hexxx changes his name to Hexx!
Ricdic and Hexx both quit EBANK and pass all the control over to SencneS!
They are not even affiliated with EBank!!?
More shocking updates are unraveling on the scene as we speak.
That thing about reading comprehension.. The post says "and people who are not even affiliated with EBank"
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Riethe
Fine Goods for Fine Gentlemen
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Posted - 2008.01.04 21:30:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Shadarle I would say one thing learned from this post, LV should not be put in any PR positions.
I don't think I've ever felt in more agreement with anything, ever.
It's a little kid that thinks having spoken to ricdic or hexxx a couple times suddenly puts him in the same boat or level as the people that HAVE actually worked hard on creating all this (EBANK, that is).
Hey guys!!! I totally just spoke to ricdic and he said hi to me, you know we're like, best buddies and stuff so I could totally talk to him for you.
Just shut your little mouth. You're spewing out all kinds of things that aren't very intelligible. It makes any form or attempts of professionalism completely vanish.
It's also not something I imagine any of the people that DO speak for EBank want to see. I'm sure they can figure out how to write "atm" and "bcuz" on their own, save that for your little aol buddies.
Fortunately however, you haven't been put in an important role (and I wonder why, huh, LVV?) so the amount of damage you can do is rather limited.
ta
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SencneS
Amarr Spartan Industrial Manufacturing SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.04 21:31:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Shadarle
Originally by: SencneS
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Shadarle I would say one thing learned from this post, LV should not be put in any PR positions.
I will never be. Im just speaking my own mind. And those alt trolls kinda ****ed me off :/
I'm trying to take some load off you LaVista Vista but these trolls appear to have something directly against you and a select few.
That's what happens when you feed the trolls, they keep coming back for more.
I'm trying to feed them but they are not biting what I'm peddling. Maybe I'm too sweet for their liking. 
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Riethe
Fine Goods for Fine Gentlemen
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Posted - 2008.01.04 21:31:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Arvald i find that sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming LALALALALALALALALALALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH works fairly well
I laughed. A++
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Arvald
Caldari House of Tempers
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Posted - 2008.01.04 21:32:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Riethe
Originally by: Shadarle I would say one thing learned from this post, LV should not be put in any PR positions.
I don't think I've ever felt in more agreement with anything, ever.
It's a little kid that thinks having spoken to ricdic or hexxx a couple times suddenly puts him in the same boat or level as the people that HAVE actually worked hard on creating all this (EBANK, that is).
Hey guys!!! I totally just spoke to ricdic and he said hi to me, you know we're like, best buddies and stuff so I could totally talk to him for you.
Just shut your little mouth. You're spewing out all kinds of things that aren't very intelligible. It makes any form or attempts of professionalism completely vanish.
It's also not something I imagine any of the people that DO speak for EBank want to see. I'm sure they can figure out how to write "atm" and "bcuz" on their own, save that for your little aol buddies.
Fortunately however, you haven't been put in an important role (and I wonder why, huh, LVV?) so the amount of damage you can do is rather limited.
ta
wow i guess this guy really IS a troll  ---------------------------
Originally by: Last Wolf I prefer smartass, but I like some variety now and then.
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Arvald
Caldari House of Tempers
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Posted - 2008.01.04 21:32:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Riethe
Originally by: Arvald i find that sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming LALALALALALALALALALALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH works fairly well
I laughed. A++
thanks, i try ^_^ ---------------------------
Originally by: Last Wolf I prefer smartass, but I like some variety now and then.
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LaVista Vista
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2008.01.04 21:32:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Riethe
Fortunately however, you haven't been put in an important role (and I wonder why, huh, LVV?)
Because im a programmer, not a business man? 
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SencneS
Amarr Spartan Industrial Manufacturing SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.04 21:39:00 -
[88]
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Riethe
Fortunately however, you haven't been put in an important role (and I wonder why, huh, LVV?)
Because im a programmer, not a business man? 
Yes LaVista Vista is not actually a Board member. http://www.eve-bank.net/About/BoardOfDirectors.aspx
He is a programmer who is working out the kindness of his heart. As far as I know he is not being paid for his efforts put forth in EBank and doesn't have any access into any part of EBank's accounts.
Which is why I've been wanting the trolls to refocus on EBank rather then a non-paid employee with no authority (SLAVE)
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Balogh
Gallente Real-time EVE Stock Exchange
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Posted - 2008.01.04 21:40:00 -
[89]
Edited by: Balogh on 04/01/2008 21:46:06
Originally by: Ufl How is EBANK even allowed the word "BANK" if it just invests money with no way to guarantee it will be paid back to the depositor.. thats not a bank... especially when it makes 200% profit on interest instead of paying that interest out to its rightful customers.
That is exactly how real banks work, except their profit margin is way higher.
Quote: This is a scam waiting to happen.
Go tell that to your own bank. They operate using the same principles.
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Arvald
Caldari House of Tempers
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Posted - 2008.01.04 21:41:00 -
[90]
Originally by: SencneS
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Riethe
Fortunately however, you haven't been put in an important role (and I wonder why, huh, LVV?)
Because im a programmer, not a business man? 
Yes LaVista Vista is not actually a Board member. http://www.eve-bank.net/About/BoardOfDirectors.aspx
He is a programmer who is working out the kindness of his heart. As far as I know he is not being paid for his efforts put forth in EBank and doesn't have any access into any part of EBank's accounts.
Which is why I've been wanting the trolls to refocus on EBank rather then a non-paid employee with no authority (SLAVE)
if hes the one that programed the site (love it by the way) you need to pay this man  ---------------------------
Originally by: Last Wolf I prefer smartass, but I like some variety now and then.
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries Zzz
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Posted - 2008.01.04 21:43:00 -
[91]
For the record if EBANK scams, then they have more than earned the cash for all the effort put in. It may be a scam but then again we may be on an Alien equivelant of David Attenborughs shows. Could happen but we doubt it and would laugh at ourselves if it happened.
~Nyron
Originally by: SoftRevolution Not liking Haruhi is like not liking puppies or rainbows or whisky.
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Mr Horizontal
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.01.04 21:44:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Shadarle That's what happens when you feed the trolls, they keep coming back for more.
You handle trolls by laughing at them. Unless they have real legitimate points, then you better set them straight. In this case it's clear FUD, so there is no reason to continue arguing with them.
Not even FUD. It's entirely baseless.
You Fail isn't even worth grinning about. It's clear his frustrations at not being able to pull off a scam are now 100% evident. I now think UFL now means 'Utter Failure Liability'.
Originally by: Riethe
Originally by: Shadarle I would say one thing learned from this post, LV should not be put in any PR positions.
I don't think I've ever felt in more agreement with anything, ever.
It's a little kid that thinks having spoken to ricdic or hexxx a couple times suddenly puts him in the same boat or level as the people that HAVE actually worked hard on creating all this (EBANK, that is).
Hey guys!!! I totally just spoke to ricdic and he said hi to me, you know we're like, best buddies and stuff so I could totally talk to him for you.
Just shut your little mouth. You're spewing out all kinds of things that aren't very intelligible. It makes any form or attempts of professionalism completely vanish.
It's also not something I imagine any of the people that DO speak for EBank want to see. I'm sure they can figure out how to write "atm" and "bcuz" on their own, save that for your little aol buddies.
Fortunately however, you haven't been put in an important role (and I wonder why, huh, LVV?) so the amount of damage you can do is rather limited.
ta
I really thought you knew better than to blatantly troll, Riethe.
For the record, if it weren't for LV's perseverance, EBANK might never have even started.
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Ufl
Caldari Nucon
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Posted - 2008.01.04 22:18:00 -
[93]
How come no one answered this poor man yet?
Originally by: "Vedz" I was reading these forums and noticed a lot of people talking about EBANK, but all those people sound like shills. There's always some guy who starts a thread asking about some great feature of EBANK and how it works, and his question is quickly answered by another guy who 'works' at EBANK in a advertising fashion. This is kind of reminiscent of that 700b Ponzi scheme. Some links I found:
http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/23/1918246
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme
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SencneS
Amarr Spartan Industrial Manufacturing SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.04 22:19:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Arvald
Originally by: SencneS
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Riethe
Fortunately however, you haven't been put in an important role (and I wonder why, huh, LVV?)
Because im a programmer, not a business man? 
Yes LaVista Vista is not actually a Board member. http://www.eve-bank.net/About/BoardOfDirectors.aspx
He is a programmer who is working out the kindness of his heart. As far as I know he is not being paid for his efforts put forth in EBank and doesn't have any access into any part of EBank's accounts.
Which is why I've been wanting the trolls to refocus on EBank rather then a non-paid employee with no authority (SLAVE)
if hes the one that programed the site (love it by the way) you need to pay this man 
We've tried many times, throwing ISK into his hands he says "You can't afford me."
LVV is a rare instrument that enjoys doing this stuff because it makes him think. He gets more enjoyment making a masterpiece then giving it away then selling it for profit. That is why I'm trying to shield him from these trolls by getting them on my back instead.
It's evident he can defend himself, but he is such a nice giving person, and I don't want to see that hurt. Even if it is for selfish reasons to keep him interested in EBank and stay on the team of programers. 
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Ufl
Caldari Nucon
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Posted - 2008.01.04 22:22:00 -
[95]
*moderated, anyone can use the report function - Mitnal* http://www.NewUniverseExchange.com
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Ufl
Caldari Nucon
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Posted - 2008.01.04 22:23:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Minerva Vulcan
Originally by: Ulf How come no one answered this poor man yet?
Because it's your idiot alt and not worth the time to reply to.
Lol you believe its me who started this post you are way off.
Wheres EBANK to answer the questions.
They are scamming everyone..
How come 36bil ISK is missing?
EBANK answer some questions this thread has gotten way off topic, and you can tell its purposefully. http://www.NewUniverseExchange.com
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Ufl
Caldari Nucon
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Posted - 2008.01.04 22:24:00 -
[97]
Originally by: LaVista Vista
The 7 and 36bill is addressed in the other post as far as im aware.
Again, if you wanna take bets on if EBank is a scam or not, im up for that. Put your money where your mouth is. Else, what differs you from all the trolls?
Where is it "stated"
I see "Dont Worry About It"
Posted in reference
to
36 BILLION
MISSING
ISK...
Looks like EBANK its trying to avoid the heat of their own mistakes, they can even run a functional business how should we trust them with ISK...
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2008.01.04 22:25:00 -
[98]
Try looking in the other thread.
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Ufl
Caldari Nucon
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Posted - 2008.01.04 22:30:00 -
[99]
Originally by: CCP Mitnal Cleaned
Attempt to stay on topic, trolling and discussion of whose alt is who is not permitted.
LOL What a total scam.
Hexxx + LaVistaVista + Shadrale + Assens Letta + Trilori + Xeliumxx
Must all be the same players Theres gotta be more.
Originally by: LaVista Vista
The 7 and 36bill is addressed in the other post as far as im aware.
Again, if you wanna take bets on if EBank is a scam or not, im up for that. Put your money where your mouth is. Else, what differs you from all the trolls?
Where is it "stated"
I see "Dont Worry About It"
Posted in reference
to
36 BILLION
MISSING
ISK...
Looks like EBANK its trying to avoid the heat of their own mistakes, they can even run a functional business how should we trust them with ISK...
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2008.01.04 22:30:00 -
[100]
Might as well just lock this thread while we have a Moderator here. It's nothing but blatant trolling, by and large by one person and his alts.
It's pretty damn obvious. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets. |

Ufl
Caldari Nucon
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Posted - 2008.01.04 22:30:00 -
[101]
Can someone from EBANK answer these questions or are they going to continue to avoid them? http://www.NewUniverseExchange.com
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Ufl
Caldari Nucon
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Posted - 2008.01.04 22:31:00 -
[102]
Edited by: Ufl on 04/01/2008 22:35:04
Originally by: Minerva Vulcan Might as well just lock this thread while we have a Moderator here. It's nothing but blatant trolling, by and large by one person and his alts.
It's pretty damn obvious.
Have the mod check the IP addresses, its not. You're just paranoid. I dont even know what trolling is.. I just want some damn questions answered.
Can we get some EBANK reps to answer some questions around here instead of Hexxx's alt telling us what to do?
Answers, stick to the subject EBANK: 36 BILLION MISSING ISK Not enough money to insure a run on the bank No paper trail of where depositors money actually is No proof that all 3 players are different actual humans GM deleting posts regarding the 3 players and their alts (a sign that they are trying to cover something up that is leaking right now) http://www.NewUniverseExchange.com
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2008.01.04 22:33:00 -
[103]
Questions have been answered in the other Ebank thread.
You're just to ignorant or lazy to go look... or, more likely, you did, couldn't understand any of it due to your simplicity, and are just resorting to trolling now because you feel you've been wronged by people questioning your scam attempt and you couldn't come up with any good answers besides attempts to avoid the questions. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets. |

May Shiko
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Posted - 2008.01.04 22:35:00 -
[104]
Ufl, I really have to applaud you for timing this attack while Hexxx and Ricdic are on vacation.
Your concerns will be addressed in a timely matter, if you're not satisfied, you can speak directly to Sences (however you spell it damn it XD) and I'm sure they would love to address all of your concerns and then you could bring those answers to the forums.
Or you could continue to troll and imply that ebank is now a last ditch effort by the Band Of Developers to gather up some cash.
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries Zzz
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Posted - 2008.01.04 22:35:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Ufl
LOL What a total scam.
Originally by: Ufl
Looks like EBANK its trying to avoid the heat of their own mistakes, they can even run a functional business how should we trust them with ISK...

Please..... stop.... I wil blow a funny fuse if you keep up with this hypocricy.....
  
~Nyron
Originally by: SoftRevolution Not liking Haruhi is like not liking puppies or rainbows or whisky.
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Ufl
Caldari Nucon
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Posted - 2008.01.04 22:36:00 -
[106]
Edited by: Ufl on 04/01/2008 22:37:54 Edited by: Ufl on 04/01/2008 22:36:47
Originally by: Minerva Vulcan Questions have been answered in the other Ebank thread.
You're just to ignorant or lazy to go look... or, more likely, you did, couldn't understand any of it due to your simplicity, and are just resorting to trolling now because you feel you've been wronged by people questioning your scam attempt and you couldn't come up with any good answers besides attempts to avoid the questions.
You cant even answer the questions, stick to the subject, answer the questions.. the moderator said so.
Wait I bet the moderator will lock the thread - must be an inside man for EBANK.
Now what we need is answers to this:
Where is everyones 36 BILLION ISK thats unaccounted for...
According to your EBANK rep:
"Dont Worry About It"
Posted in reference
to
36 BILLION
MISSING
ISK...
Looks like EBANK its trying to avoid the heat of their own mistakes, they can even run a functional business how should we trust them with ISK...
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Ufl
Caldari Nucon
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Posted - 2008.01.04 22:39:00 -
[107]
Edited by: Ufl on 04/01/2008 22:39:28 Edited by: Ufl on 04/01/2008 22:39:13
Originally by: May Shiko Ufl, I really have to applaud you for timing this attack while Hexxx and Ricdic are on vacation.
Your concerns will be addressed in a timely matter, if you're not satisfied, you can speak directly to Sences (however you spell it damn it XD) and I'm sure they would love to address all of your concerns and then you could bring those answers to the forums.
Or you could continue to troll and imply that ebank is now a last ditch effort by the Band Of Developers to gather up some cash.
They are? Then why are their accounts active and Hexxx just posted here?
Lets stick to the subject shall we - keep throwing rocks from a glass house genius.
Still no answers to this threads main topic... 1 day and counting. http://www.NewUniverseExchange.com
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Doctor Fruitloop
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Posted - 2008.01.04 22:41:00 -
[108]
Ufl - please keep your comments linear, it's getting annoying having to read a few back to get around people, if you change your mind or need to put newer stuff in after people comment on you make a new post 
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny BELIEVE IT!!!  
If you utter that...phrase...again, I swear to god I'll hunt you down and pod you
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LaVista Vista
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2008.01.04 22:42:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Ufl Edited by: Ufl on 04/01/2008 22:39:28 Edited by: Ufl on 04/01/2008 22:39:13
Originally by: May Shiko Ufl, I really have to applaud you for timing this attack while Hexxx and Ricdic are on vacation.
Your concerns will be addressed in a timely matter, if you're not satisfied, you can speak directly to Sences (however you spell it damn it XD) and I'm sure they would love to address all of your concerns and then you could bring those answers to the forums.
Or you could continue to troll and imply that ebank is now a last ditch effort by the Band Of Developers to gather up some cash.
They are? Then why are their accounts active and Hexxx just posted here?
Lets stick to the subject shall we - keep throwing rocks from a glass house genius.
Still no answers to this threads main topic... 1 day and counting.
When i go on holiday, i often have internet in my appartment, and post on the forums.
Whats your point?
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Ufl
Caldari Nucon
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Posted - 2008.01.04 22:43:00 -
[110]
The questions:
Where is all the money in EBANK allocated, how is it used, by whom, when, and for what purpose, what is the gain and loss, why should the money be invested if its called a "BANK?"
What is the backup plan incase a run on the bank occurs?
If a run on the bank occurs how will the depositors get all their cash back, if the cash is not available how will EBANK "sell bonds so quickly" to raise this invisible ISK?
No answers yet 1 day and counting... http://www.NewUniverseExchange.com
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Mr Horizontal
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.01.04 22:43:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Ufl
Originally by: CCP Mitnal Cleaned
Attempt to stay on topic, trolling and discussion of whose alt is who is not permitted.
LOL What a total scam.
Now calling CCP scam artists? 
lolies 
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2008.01.04 22:45:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Mr Horizontal
Originally by: Ufl
Originally by: CCP Mitnal Cleaned
Attempt to stay on topic, trolling and discussion of whose alt is who is not permitted.
LOL What a total scam.
Now calling CCP scam artists? 
lolies 
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Ufl
Caldari Nucon
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Posted - 2008.01.04 22:47:00 -
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Edited by: Ufl on 04/01/2008 22:48:28 b http://www.NewUniverseExchange.com
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries Zzz
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Posted - 2008.01.04 22:47:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Horizontal
lolies 
Having spent a fair bit of time in Japan this word takes an entirely different meaning out of context 
Also Ufl, it's a bank, there is nothing above it, however since Ric & Co (has a nice ring to it methinks) are accomplished traders and own a considerable amount of isk in the begining, this will be the insurance.
~Nyron
Originally by: SoftRevolution Not liking Haruhi is like not liking puppies or rainbows or whisky.
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Balogh
Gallente Real-time EVE Stock Exchange
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Posted - 2008.01.04 22:47:00 -
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Originally by: Ufl Not enough money to insure a run on the bank
Not a single real bank has enough money as cash to ensure everyone can withdraw their cash.
Why is that? If the bank kept all deposits as cash, (that is, no investments and no loans) it cannot offer any interest.
Quote: No paper trail of where depositors money actually is
Not a single real bank traces each deposited money individually to specific investments or loans.
Why is that? It is completely unnecessary. The bank knows who deposited what. The bank also knows what it has invested and loaned. There is no further connection. Deposits go into a pool of money, and investments and loans are taken from the pool of money.
Quote: No proof that all 3 players are different actual humans
Why is that important? I run RESX all by myself. I have an investment alt (RESIX Manager) to provide the interest I'm offering. That alt is run by me.
Yes, the investments done by RESX return more profit than I pay interest. Does that matter? As long as I can fulfill any withdrawal, it does not matter.
Quote: GM deleting posts regarding the 3 players and their alts (a sign that they are trying to cover something up that is leaking right now)
Moderators actually moderate according to the forum rules, which is located at http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/forumrules.asp. I'll quote a few sections names, feel free to look up the details.
Originally by: Section names from forum rules 5. Ranting is prohibited. 6. Personal attacks are prohibited. 7. Trolling is prohibited. 8. No posting of personal information.
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May Shiko
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Posted - 2008.01.04 22:48:00 -
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Here is what I would like to ask;
Ufl, why have you not taken up Seneces' (I'll admit, I'm a bit too lazy to look up the exact spelling right now) offer to speak directly? They are after all a Director of Ebank, that would be the best person to ask, instead of slinging around libel that everyone will find when they search up your name.
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2008.01.04 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ufl Edited by: Ufl on 04/01/2008 22:48:00 The questions:
               Where is all the money in EBANK allocated, how is it used, by whom, when, and for what purpose, what is the gain and loss, why should the money be invested if its called a "BANK?"
What is the backup plan incase a run on the bank occurs?
If a run on the bank occurs how will the depositors get all their cash back, if the cash is not available how will EBANK "sell bonds so quickly" to raise this invisible ISK?
How did 36 BILLION ISK go "MISSING" and why is the Ebank Rep telling account holders "Dont worry about it.."?
              
Legitimate Concerns.. No answers yet 1 day and counting...
All answered in other EBank thread.
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Ufl
Caldari Nucon
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Posted - 2008.01.04 22:49:00 -
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Edited by: Ufl on 04/01/2008 22:50:58 c http://www.NewUniverseExchange.com
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries Zzz
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Posted - 2008.01.04 22:49:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Ufl
No answers yet 1 day and counting...
1 day in the period of the year in which most of the world has it's time off and people leave Eve and work to go with their families - you expect people to answer you on demand at this time of year?
~Nyron
Originally by: SoftRevolution Not liking Haruhi is like not liking puppies or rainbows or whisky.
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Ufl
Caldari Nucon
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Posted - 2008.01.04 22:49:00 -
[120]
Originally by: May Shiko Here is what I would like to ask;
Ufl, why have you not taken up Seneces' (I'll admit, I'm a bit too lazy to look up the exact spelling right now) offer to speak directly? They are after all a Director of Ebank, that would be the best person to ask, instead of slinging around libel that everyone will find when they search up your name.
They are avoiding contact.

Go figure.
Scam http://www.NewUniverseExchange.com
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2008.01.04 22:50:00 -
[121]
Originally by: Ufl Edited by: Ufl on 04/01/2008 22:48:00 The questions:
               Where is all the money in EBANK allocated, how is it used, by whom, when, and for what purpose, what is the gain and loss, why should the money be invested if its called a "BANK?"
What is the backup plan incase a run on the bank occurs?
If a run on the bank occurs how will the depositors get all their cash back, if the cash is not available how will EBANK "sell bonds so quickly" to raise this invisible ISK?
How did 36 BILLION ISK go "MISSING" and why is the Ebank Rep telling account holders "Dont worry about it.."?
              
Legitimate Concerns.. No answers yet 1 day and counting...
Answered in other EBank thread.
No need to reiterate them here.
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2008.01.04 22:51:00 -
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I suggest... we just let this thread die.
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Ufl
Caldari Nucon
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Posted - 2008.01.04 22:51:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Minerva Vulcan I suggest... we just let this thread die.
It's almost as useless as Ulf himself.
Let this thread die? You think Ill let this thread die lol.. I have legitimate concerns that need to be answered.
The questions:
               Where is all the money in EBANK allocated, how is it used, by whom, when, and for what purpose, what is the gain and loss, why should the money be invested if its called a "BANK?"
What is the backup plan incase a run on the bank occurs?
If a run on the bank occurs how will the depositors get all their cash back, if the cash is not available how will EBANK "sell bonds so quickly" to raise this invisible ISK?
How did 36 BILLION ISK go "MISSING" and why is the Ebank Rep telling account holders "Dont worry about it.."?
              
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Balogh
Gallente Real-time EVE Stock Exchange
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Posted - 2008.01.04 22:52:00 -
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Originally by: Ufl They are avoiding contact.

Go figure.
Scam
You are avoiding answers.
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LaVista Vista
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2008.01.04 22:52:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Ufl
Originally by: May Shiko Here is what I would like to ask;
Ufl, why have you not taken up Seneces' (I'll admit, I'm a bit too lazy to look up the exact spelling right now) offer to speak directly? They are after all a Director of Ebank, that would be the best person to ask, instead of slinging around libel that everyone will find when they search up your name.
They are avoiding contact.

Go figure.
Scam
As pointed out. Everybody is semi afk for the holidays. The answer is in the other thread.
Lets impose this old rule: You cant argue against anything, unless you can present the other parts argument first.
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries Zzz
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Posted - 2008.01.04 22:54:00 -
[126]
Nah, we should let this continue and report him if he crossposts, it's like Carol Vorderman ad's, only consolidating them into one, easily followable roflmaofailcopter thred 
~Nyron
Originally by: SoftRevolution Not liking Haruhi is like not liking puppies or rainbows or whisky.
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2008.01.04 22:55:00 -
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Edited by: Minerva Vulcan on 04/01/2008 22:55:29
Originally by: Ufl I have legitimate concerns that need to be answered.
Do you have ISK invested in EBank?
No?
Then your concerns are not in the least bit legitimate, considering you do nothing for this forum.
If you do... and you're keeping it in while crying scam... then you're a bigger idiot than I already think.
Questions have been answered in other threads.
Thread over. (Unless it gets bumped ever 3 minutes for the forum's comic relief, anyway... not that anything of any value will come from that.) _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets. |

Ufl
Caldari Nucon
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Posted - 2008.01.04 23:01:00 -
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Edited by: Ufl on 04/01/2008 23:03:34
Originally by: Minerva Vulcan Edited by: Minerva Vulcan on 04/01/2008 22:55:29
Originally by: Ufl I have legitimate concerns that need to be answered.
Do you have ISK invested in EBank?
No?
Then your concerns are not in the least bit legitimate, considering you do nothing for this forum.
If you do... and you're keeping it in while crying scam... then you're a bigger idiot than I already think.
Questions have been answered in other threads.
Thread over. (Unless it gets bumped ever 3 minutes for the forum's comic relief, anyway... not that anything of any value will come from that.)
For all you know I could have 10 alts, who could very well be on the board of Ebank...
The questions:
               Where is all the money in EBANK allocated, how is it used, by whom, when, and for what purpose, what is the gain and loss, why should the money be invested if its called a "BANK?"
What is the backup plan incase a run on the bank occurs?
If a run on the bank occurs how will the depositors get all their cash back, if the cash is not available how will EBANK "sell bonds so quickly" to raise this invisible ISK?
Why do Hexxx, Ricdic, and Shadarle log in and out at the same time if they are all different players?
How did 36 BILLION ISK go "MISSING" and why is the Ebank Rep telling account holders "Dont worry about it.."?
              
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LaVista Vista
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2008.01.04 23:03:00 -
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Originally by: Ufl
For all you know I could have 10 alts, who could very well be on the board of Ebank...
I know for a fact, that you dont.
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Ufl
Caldari Nucon
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Posted - 2008.01.04 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Ufl
For all you know I could have 10 alts, who could very well be on the board of Ebank...
I know for a fact, that you dont.
Please answer the questions and stick to the topic as per moderator request or I will need to report you.
There are questions you can answer above as an Ebank representative instead of going on tangents.
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LaVista Vista
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2008.01.04 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: Ufl
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Ufl
For all you know I could have 10 alts, who could very well be on the board of Ebank...
I know for a fact, that you dont.
Please answer the questions and stick to the topic as per moderator request or I will need to report you.
There are questions you can answer above as an Ebank representative instead of going on tangents.
Thank you.
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Ufl
Originally by: May Shiko Here is what I would like to ask;
Ufl, why have you not taken up Seneces' (I'll admit, I'm a bit too lazy to look up the exact spelling right now) offer to speak directly? They are after all a Director of Ebank, that would be the best person to ask, instead of slinging around libel that everyone will find when they search up your name.
They are avoiding contact.

Go figure.
Scam
As pointed out. Everybody is semi afk for the holidays. The answer is in the other thread.
Lets impose this old rule: You cant argue against anything, unless you can present the other parts argument first.
The answer is right there.
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Coconut Joe
VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Te-Ka
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Posted - 2008.01.04 23:09:00 -
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Edited by: Coconut Joe on 04/01/2008 23:09:54 Come on guys, calm down. Someone has to say it: "It's only a game."
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SencneS
Amarr Spartan Industrial Manufacturing SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.04 23:11:00 -
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Originally by: Ufl The questions:
Where is all the money in EBANK allocated, how is it used, by whom, when, and for what purpose, what is the gain and loss, why should the money be invested if its called a "BANK?"
What is the backup plan incase a run on the bank occurs?
If a run on the bank occurs how will the depositors get all their cash back, if the cash is not available how will EBANK "sell bonds so quickly" to raise this invisible ISK?
No answers yet 1 day and counting...
Let me cover this this here.
Q1- Where is all the money in EBank? A - Although this has been answered already I'll answer it again - 3 Tellers split the ISK deposited into EBank Ricdic. Although Ricdic may at some points in time have more then the other 2, this it is always around to 1/3 each. Which is what 1 Reason why you'd need the entire bank to scam instead of just 1 bad apple.
Q2 - By whom? A - Again already answered but again, Ricdic, Hexxx, and Shar Tegral
Q3 - When? A - Usually when EBank Ricdic logs in, this has been one of the more heated discussions put simply EVE doesn't allow you to remote control wallets so this is pretty much bound by Manual transfer due to the limitations of EVE. Believe me if EVE had a remote wallet transfer function it would be used.
Q4 - For what purpose? A - Unfortunately this is internal EBank business. I can tell you however that it is used for withdrawals by our customers
Q5 - What is the gain and loss? A - Not sure what you're talking about here, I assume you want some insider information about what EBank invests in etc. Unfortunately that is private to EBank.
Q6 - Why should the money be invested if its called a "BANK"? A - Please point out any bank in the world that just holds on to it's deposits and doesn't loan out, or make investments in order to pay the interest to the account holders who deposit their money in the first place. Please read this http://money.howstuffworks.com/bank.htm
Q7 - What is the backup plan incase a run on the bank occurs? A - We actually had a little run on the bank recently, over the new year lots of people withdrew some ISK. We have enough in our reserve in order to cover the run on the Bank, up to and over the total deposits. Remember we do "Phases" in which we only allow a certain amount of Interest bearing account and their amounts. This is really the only ISK used in the bank as we pay interest on it. Although I can't confirm the exact amount we can cover I do know it is more then the deposits in the accounts. That is a requirement every Board member is very strong about pushing.
Q8 - If a run on the bank occurs....? A - It can happen, and we already have stops in place, However going over the accounts, I can see the board of directs all have MAXED out their Interest accounts, that is 9 Billion ISK that would not be withdrawn. We also have special deals with people offering interest on larger sums of ISK in turn for long term deposits. This was setup a long time ago and no additional offers have been put forth.
Under laying questions What happen to the 36bil ISK?
This has been answered in another thread, and the original person who posed that question appears to be happy with the answer.
I have also personally requested everyone to check their EBank accounts to make sure what they believe is deposited is actually in their account. So far no one has come forth. And for the sum we're talking about here, 36,000,000,000 ISK I would think people would notice that missing. We have just over 500 people, most account holders are in this forum. A majority of accounts have very low amounts of ISK.
I would think they people would notice if we started to short change their deposits by a couple of zeros. And that type of error does not go unnoticed or unannounced.
Lastly the deposit system works directly off the API system CCP has setup, If there is an error we could notify CCP
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Assens Letta
Hunerian Science Institute
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Posted - 2008.01.04 23:17:00 -
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Edited by: Assens Letta on 04/01/2008 23:18:59
Originally by: Ufl
Originally by: CCP Mitnal Cleaned
Attempt to stay on topic, trolling and discussion of whose alt is who is not permitted.
LOL What a total scam.
Hexxx + LaVistaVista + Shadrale + Assens Letta + Trilori + Xeliumxx
Must all be the same players Theres gotta be more.
You forgot ricdic in that bunch, but I must say that I am honored to be put in into that crowd.
As far as EBANK goes the only relation I have with them is as a costumer, and a satisfied one too.
Concerning all those ppl beng the same person.... I can atest that I am who I say I am, need my IP ? just a question thoough, remember that CEO (KDA or something9 that went missing that had a IPO on NUEX ? can you say the same about him and you not being the same ?
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.01.04 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: SencneS Let me cover this this here.
And a fine job of it you did. With everyone on different timezones, and with different lives, you will find that ebank tellers are not always present. But there is usually an Ebank director that can be talked to. The only time you will fail to get a suitable answer out of ebank, suitable to your own personal needs, is when you choose to be unreasonable. You want to know where the 36 Billion isk went? Nowhere. You are asking about something you choose not to understand in the context that it was reported. You have reason to not want to understand, wheeee another 4+ page of You Fail, so I'm not all that surprised by your constant poking on the issue. Also, you have a history of answering questions with answers totally unrelated so it is no surprise that you would ask questions repeatedly when they have been answered. {shrugs} I think Sencnes has given you much more attention than you deserve I might add. This was obviously a troll thread and I'm quite happy to ignore it. You have an actual question, start your own thread, list your questions and then read the answers. Whether your own thread will be a troll thread remains to be seen but as for this thread... I'm washing my hands of this one after saying one simple thing: Sencnes is an ebank director and has done ebank proud with his/her efforts in this thread.
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2008.01.04 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral I think Sencnes has given you much more attention than you deserve I might add.
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Ki Tarra
Caldari Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.01.04 23:35:00 -
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While I am not affiliated with EBANK, lets see if I can compile a list of answers for Ulf:
Originally by: Ufl Where is all the money in EBANK allocated, how is it used, by whom, when, and for what purpose, what is the gain and loss, why should the money be invested if its called a "BANK?"
EBANK has not to my knowledge disclosed all of the people who have received loans, nor have they created the expectation that information should be disclosed in detail.
As for why they are issuing loans, I suggest that you do some more research on what a bank is, as issuing loans is a primary function of a bank. Originally by: Ufl What is the backup plan incase a run on the bank occurs?
If a run on the bank occurs how will the depositors get all their cash back, if the cash is not available how will EBANK "sell bonds so quickly" to raise this invisible ISK?
Like most banks, withdrawals are conditional upon the availablity of funds. In the event of a run, it would be expected that withdrawals would be processed as quickly as assets can be liquidated.
I expect that there would be an attempt to sell off some of the more profitable loans to other creditors.
I agree that more public documentation on how EBANK will handle a run would be nice.
Originally by: Ufl Why do Hexxx, Ricdic, and Shadarle log in and out at the same time if they are all different players?
Is HE(XXX) and RIC(DIC) some sort of sick perverted joke for the scam artists involved?
My observations of Hexxx, Ricdic, and Shadarle's online and posting habits indicate that they are in vastly different time zones. If you have evidence to the contary, then post specifics not generalizations.
As for name games, they are unprofessional and do not warrant further comment. Originally by: Ufl How did 36 BILLION ISK go "MISSING" and why is the Ebank Rep telling account holders "Dont worry about it.."?
From what I have read on this issue, there was no missing funds. There was a misunderstanding of what the specific totals included. If you have further questions regarding that issue I would suggest asking them in that thread.
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May Shiko
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Posted - 2008.01.04 23:57:00 -
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As a non-alt (though I'm sure Ufl will argue otherwise, and I'd be more than willing to demonstrate this on the ebank teamspeak) I have spoken with Hexxx and Ricdic, they are different people, as is Lavista Vista.
As much as I would love to see some kind of mega Shadarle-Shar Tegral-Ricdic-Hexxx combination, which would create a character so potent at trading, the markets would be destroyed, it simply is not true.
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jongalt
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Posted - 2008.01.05 00:33:00 -
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you cannot argue with someone who is being irrational, vindictive, or spiteful. there is no bridge of understanding to be built under those conditions.
LOL.
this thread reminds me of "the party scene" in dostoevsky's "notes from underground", except "success" (or "winning" what passes for an "argument", even) is the prostitute, Liza, Ufl has the toothache, and the mysteriously absent Ricdic is Zverkov...
lmao.
bigD couldnt have written it better.
-jg.
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Sphynx Stormlord
Gallente Anqara Tech
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Posted - 2008.01.05 00:41:00 -
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After reading the other thread, it appears that the 36 billion refered to as missing was money which was depositied as repayments on loans, and thus was not in peoples accounts. I.e. it is money that belongs to the bank. So it isnt your business, as the shares in the bank are only held by the directors.
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CCP Mitnal

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Posted - 2008.01.05 01:19:00 -
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*Locked*
I believe enough answers have been provided that the thread has run its course.
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