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Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc.
Dawn of Transcendence
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Posted - 2008.01.06 20:28:00 -
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The new formats will be much more important as data carriers for games, if you ask me. After all, the games industry caught up with the movie industry last year...
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Glarion Garnier
Solar Wind
STELLAR LEGION
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Posted - 2008.01.07 00:13:00 -
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Edited by: Glarion Garnier on 07/01/2008 00:13:59
It's bussiness as usual this format competition. Corporations have their eyes glued on to the dollars of this new mass marketed "HD entertainment" money potential and they try to do their best moves to get their piece of the cake. The cake beeing a question mark!
It might be that internet downloads win unless the formats wont settle down.
Sony sucks , MS sucks even more so from that perspective I wish that MS will loose.
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Frezik
Basically Outdated Stereo Equiptment
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Posted - 2008.01.07 01:17:00 -
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Watching the Times Square party on New Years Eve on a 1080p setup. Got a good look at Fergie's underarm stubble hair. That's the magic of HD.
I have a PS3, so I'm somewhat partial to Blu-ray just so I don't have to buy another piece of equipment, but otherwise I don't care. I don't see a significant technological difference to get behind either one.
For action movies, HD seems great if you set it up right (and setting it up right is more complicated than most people are willing to do). But for more "talky" movies (dramas, chick flicks, and the like), what's the point? They could be in black-and-white analog and I wouldn't care. At least than I don't have to see their skin pores.
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Neon Genesis
The Landed Gentry
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Posted - 2008.01.07 02:01:00 -
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After DVD level of quality I could not give less of a toss.
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Blind Man
Cosmic Fusion
When Fat Kids Attack
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Posted - 2008.01.07 03:10:00 -
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 Originally by: Reiisha
The new formats will be much more important as data carriers for games, if you ask me. After all, the games industry caught up with the movie industry last year...
meh, I have a feeling PC gaming at least is going to move almost completely to online distribution in the next few years anyways..
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2008.01.07 03:30:00 -
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Originally by: Glarion Garnier
Sony sucks , MS sucks even more so from that perspective I wish that MS will loose.
HD-DVD, however, isn't Microsoft--its dozens of corporations, of which Microsoft is just one.
Blu-Ray, on the other hand, is purely Sony--they own all the rights and patents, and can screw over the consumer and other corporations completely at will.
HD-DVD losing is not a good thing.
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Miss Anthropy
The Greater Goon
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.07 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Blind Man
Originally by: Reiisha
The new formats will be much more important as data carriers for games, if you ask me. After all, the games industry caught up with the movie industry last year...
meh, I have a feeling PC gaming at least is going to move almost completely to online distribution in the next few years anyways..
That's doubtful. Sure, more and more games are available for download but you would be cutting away a good portion of your target market if you did away with the current CD/DVD distribution method.
It'll be interesting to see though which new DVD standard the gaming industry decides to support. It won't matter too much on Consoles because you can't play a PS3 game on an XBox; but for the PC industry the choice will most likely kill off either Blu-Ray or HD-DVD depending on which is chosen.
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries
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Posted - 2008.01.07 11:52:00 -
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How big are games anyway?
Supreme Commander I got via download - 5.5Gigs, is that the norm or exception?
~Nyron
Originally by: Minerva Vulcan
But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
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Frezik
Basically Outdated Stereo Equiptment
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Posted - 2008.01.07 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Anthropy
It'll be interesting to see though which new DVD standard the gaming industry decides to support. It won't matter too much on Consoles because you can't play a PS3 game on an XBox; but for the PC industry the choice will most likely kill off either Blu-Ray or HD-DVD depending on which is chosen.
Since the industry has barely started churning out regular DVD games for PC, it'll be a long while before we see next-gen DVDs
Originally by: Kirjava
Supreme Commander I got via download - 5.5Gigs, is that the norm or exception?
That's about the right size for a DVD game, but remember that the biggest part of games isn't the code, but the textures. As texture resolution goes up, so does their size. Just having more space for textures is half the reason why PS3 screenshots look so good.
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Voodoo'sMother
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Posted - 2008.01.07 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: lofty29
Originally by: Dron Yenko
No offense, but your friend must have a pretty ****ty high-def TV or has not configured it properly. As far as sound goes - I have to agree with you, one needs to invest serious dough and have sensitive hearing to tell the difference.
In all honesty, 'HIGH DEFINITION!!!!!11' is just a huge scam.
Why are they touting it as new technology for gaming / films? I mean, PC's have been 'High Definition' since 1995...
Taking old technology, calling it 'HIGH DEFINITION!' and selling it to dumb****s who need the latest technology no matter what is just one big con. If you aren't sat eyes-up to the screen, it hardly makes a difference on all but the largest screens, and even then, most large screens (unless you paid out a crapload of money) aren't very impressive.
Meh, I just hate the whole HIGH DEFINITION! fiasco. Xbox / ps3 ******s think they pwn PCs because they have HIGH DEFINITION!, wheras I ran half life 1 in 'HIGH DEFINITION' on release week.
Hell, I was playing around with a 3-monitor setup the other day. Episode 2 over 3840x1024 is so, so nice...
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
The Last Stand
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Posted - 2008.01.07 22:21:00 -
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If I remember correctly, isn't Blu-ray the superior format? Personally I'm too poor to buy into either format yet, so I'm not horribly concerned yet.
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Dron Yenko
Endless Fury
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Posted - 2008.01.07 23:55:00 -
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Originally by: lofty29
In all honesty, 'HIGH DEFINITION!!!!!11' is just a huge scam.
Why are they touting it as new technology for gaming / films? I mean, PC's have been 'High Definition' since 1995...
Taking old technology, calling it 'HIGH DEFINITION!' and selling it to dumb****s who need the latest technology no matter what is just one big con. If you aren't sat eyes-up to the screen, it hardly makes a difference on all but the largest screens, and even then, most large screens (unless you paid out a crapload of money) aren't very impressive.
Meh, I just hate the whole HIGH DEFINITION! fiasco. Xbox / ps3 ******s think they pwn PCs because they have HIGH DEFINITION!, wheras I ran half life 1 in 'HIGH DEFINITION' on release week.
Hell, I was playing around with a 3-monitor setup the other day. Episode 2 over 3840x1024 is so, so nice...
I would agree with you as far as HD Games go - screw consoles trying to take over PC gaming. Don't own a console and not planning on getting one anytime soon. Just waste of money; I would rather invest those $400 in a new graphics card.
But in films - HD is a new technology. Show me "affordable" high def big screen in 1995. Or even 2000. Or do you mean that someone in his right mind can "enjoy" movie on a 22inch PC screen? With increased popularity of HD screens (and drop in price) comes demand for ability to play HD content.
Am I a dumb**** for dumping money into HD hardware? Don't really care. Some people throw 10x more in their cars, others spend $5k on the super-SLI-rig. I've spent much less than that and was easily able to afford it on my not-so-spectacular-military-salary. But I can watch movies and play EvE/Portals/TF2/HL2 at 1080p projected on a 120in screen. That makes me warm and fuzzy inside. So nice... very nice... And I don't have to strain my eyes trying to make out details while sitting "eyes-to-the-monitor". I just lay down on a couch 12 feet away with the keyboard on my lap...
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2008.01.08 00:20:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
If I remember correctly, isn't Blu-ray the superior format? Personally I'm too poor to buy into either format yet, so I'm not horribly concerned yet.
Slightly superior, at a high cost in terms of money, both for the media and playback device.
Additionally, Blu-Ray has the most anti-consumer DRM of the two formats.
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Dubious Drewski
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Posted - 2008.01.08 05:58:00 -
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I've got a few second-hand shops in the downtown area where I live. I can buy old vhs tapes for half the cost of renting the DvD at Blockbuster. So I have a ton of VhS tapes that I've watched once. They're of all terrible, static-marred quality. I've always wondered why magnetic tape storage has been around for so long - it's the most unstable, unreliable and feeble storage format.
I love DvD though, and I'm not completely sold on all this High-Def business. Yes, it looks better. Yes, I can see the improvement. But is it worth thousands of dollars? To me, it's not.
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Morn Judith
Caldari
The Singularity Project
Rare Faction
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Posted - 2008.01.08 07:37:00 -
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Well, it looks like its almost completely over for HD-DVD. It turns out that Paramount has a clause in their contract stating that if Warner bails, that they can bail also. So They aare getting ready to make the switch.
But also keep in mind that it is fairly pointless to buy one of these players and the required discs unless you really have money to spare, as it is already a quickly dying technology. DVD will probably only be with us for another 5 years, and they plan on ceasing production in the next 4 years. Soon it will be nothing but streaming movies and memory cards.
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Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc.
Dawn of Transcendence
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Posted - 2008.01.08 07:48:00 -
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Edited by: Reiisha on 08/01/2008 07:49:47
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Tarminic
If I remember correctly, isn't Blu-ray the superior format? Personally I'm too poor to buy into either format yet, so I'm not horribly concerned yet.
Slightly superior, at a high cost in terms of money, both for the media and playback device.
Additionally, Blu-Ray has the most anti-consumer DRM of the two formats.
According to a friend of mine who does some ICT work in that area, the DRM is quite easy to bypass and might even be abolished at some point (if i understood that right - i don't know if i'm mixing up 2 of his presentations now)
Fact remainds that Bluray *does* offer over 3 times the space on a standard disk than HD-DVD. I know that Gran Turismo 5 at least will be making quite good use of that space :)
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries
Zzz
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Posted - 2008.01.08 10:03:00 -
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Originally by: Morn Judith
DVD will probably only be with us for another 5 years, and they plan on ceasing production in the next 4 years. Soon it will be nothing but streaming movies and memory cards.
I think dvd will be around for the forseeable future - Floppies and VHS are still sold and we need a cheap mass storage medium, at the moment DvD still reighns king for storage.
~Nyron
Originally by: Minerva Vulcan
But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2008.01.08 14:35:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 08/01/2008 14:35:09
Originally by: Reiisha
Edited by: Reiisha on 08/01/2008 07:49:47
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Tarminic
If I remember correctly, isn't Blu-ray the superior format? Personally I'm too poor to buy into either format yet, so I'm not horribly concerned yet.
Slightly superior, at a high cost in terms of money, both for the media and playback device.
Additionally, Blu-Ray has the most anti-consumer DRM of the two formats.
According to a friend of mine who does some ICT work in that area, the DRM is quite easy to bypass and might even be abolished at some point (if i understood that right - i don't know if i'm mixing up 2 of his presentations now)
Fact remainds that Bluray *does* offer over 3 times the space on a standard disk than HD-DVD. I know that Gran Turismo 5 at least will be making quite good use of that space :)
1. BD+ protection has not been cracked yet. Nobody is sure that BD+ will ever be cracked. Its an absurdly complex system involving a virtual machine.
2. Blu-Ray requires that ALL DISKS be copy-protected. This means that you will never be able to burn your own Blu-Ray discs, ever.
Also, 40GB is not "3 times more than" 30GB.
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Frezik
Basically Outdated Stereo Equiptment
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Posted - 2008.01.08 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Reiisha
According to a friend of mine who does some ICT work in that area, the DRM is quite easy to bypass and might even be abolished at some point (if i understood that right - i don't know if i'm mixing up 2 of his presentations now)
I can't see Bluray+ being easy to figure out how to bypass. It involves running code inside a protected environment on the disc player. Eventually, I expect to see an emulator that fools the code into thinking it's in that protected environment, but it won't be easy.
AACS (copy protection shared by both formats) may never get the sort of fundamental vulnerability that DVDs had with DeCSS. Rather, we'll probably see a continuous action-reaction, where a new set of title keys are distributed and the industry revokes the player keys that allowed the break.
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