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Vedz
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.01.08 00:59:00 -
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Edited by: Vedz on 08/01/2008 01:00:37
I've decided to see what went on in the EBANK channel since its members are making so many threads here, so I logged on and stopped by their channel. Immediately, I noticed all the familiar names you so often see in every single thread that praised EBANK. These are the same names you see defending any (including legitimate) criticisms of EBANK on every forum and post. The same names that scream that EBANK does not scam. What were they doing all together, I wondered. Whenever I read about EBANK, I see many people defending and praising it. I always thought these people were unrelated and came together only by coincidence to defend EBANK because they really had a successful experience with it and believed it was a genuinely good "corporation." Yet all these people were in the same channel together for some reason.
The channel, although contained only about 9 people, was in uproar. Every single person was throwing insult after insult. And these were not clever insults but something you'd hear in a 2nd grade lunch room. They all seemed to have ganged up on this one individual, questioning his sexual orientation, implications of prostitution, attacks on intelligence, references to fecal matter, and there was even a tattletale who threatened to report this individual to CCP for "offensive language," even though he himself was involved. As I watched this childish battle, I couldn't help but wonder how a corporation that sounds so professional and how its loyal supporters use such complex terminology to create such elaborate reports on forums, are reduced to 8 year olds who call people "****oo heads" when not in a public eye. I stayed there for about 10 more minutes and listened.
It seems that an individual that was on the receiving end of EBANK's verbal lashing was pleading to withdraw his earlier deposit of 50 million which was apparently taken by a person named Ricdic, who others in the channel claimed was in charge. This gullible individual who fell for EBANK's scam claimed he gave the 50 mil ISK to EBANK Ricdic who in turn promised to give it back with 3% interest the next day. When the next day came and newbie asked for a withdrawal, Ricdic supposedly told him that this was an expensive lesson and put him on block. And when newbie went to their channel to try to get his ISK back, EBANK laughed, threatening, and taunted him to a point the newbie gave up and left.
After the newbie left, EBANK celebrated with chants of "PWNT!" and "haha im so rich now." I asked them if they really scammed him and they said yes, and proceeded to give me a lecture on how it was legal to scam in EVE.
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.01.08 01:14:00 -
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lol, the effort you went through is most admirable.
Now, would you mind providing names, times, dates, chat logs, etc etc. I ask this because I happened to be in the channel when a "newb" with the name of "seeking iskies" came in channel and claimed exactly what you are saying here. Of course I didnt see you in the channel at that time, so I am not sure how you asked if he was scammed and how you heard any confirmation of such a scam.
What you fail to mention is that there were multiple directors of evebank present at the time that this "newb" passed through, who tried to assist him both in channel and in private convo's. He failed to provide them with any of the basics that would help verify his claim. Such simple steps as a wallet screen shot or giving the directors his easily changed limited API code so that things could be verified.
As far as I am concerned, since I was in the channel when events similar to the ones portrayed occured, this accusation of yours is bovine scatology. I honestly didnt even see you in channel at that time, and trust me I pay attention to these things, so I wonder how you would even know that there was a "newb" making these claims, unless that "newb" was you.
Seriously, if you have real solid proof bring it forth, but otherwise go away.
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Ricdic
Caldari
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd
Zzz
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Posted - 2008.01.08 01:21:00 -
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I find it highly unlikely that our guys would be talking about pretty much anything mentioned in the OP. However I wasn't there so can't verify this. What I can verify is the rubbish spat forth about my "give you back 3% tomorrow".
I urge you to provide chat logs proving this. I am 150% certain this is a lie and as such invalidates your whole post in my eyes. Ufl I suggest you go and focus on your operation, or provide facts to back up your claims.
It's getting embarassing. For you.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.01.08 01:39:00 -
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I believe trolling is against forum rules. You should read them sometime Vedz.
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Vedz
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.01.08 01:39:00 -
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It seems that Treelox was so busy bashing the newbie, he didn't even realize there were other people in the channel. What I find interesting is that every time somebody mentions something negative about EBANK, they are immediately referred to as "Ulf," who I learned from a reliable source worked with Ricdic on earlier scams, and that because of some disagreement they are now no longer partners in crime. What occurred, apparently, is that Ricdic and Ulf are now both competing against each other for victims using identical banking scam. Ricdic and his goons are trying to portray themselves as the legit ones and Ulf the scammer. Very dramatic, indeed, but in the end they are both scammers, and as a good citizen of Eve, I feel it is my duty to warn others of such mischief.
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Vandagrif
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Posted - 2008.01.08 01:43:00 -
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First of all this tells us nothing really. If the EBANK really wanted to scam they would do it all or nothing. None of this "50 million" stuff, I mean they have billions of isk, why risk everything over something so minor? Also, posts like this are also denied rather quickly because there is no proof given. I can say that I gave Vedz 500 billion isk that he failed to return to me  . However, I have yet to see one of these posts contain any screenshots or chatlogs that will validate (partially) what happened.
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Diana Anetta
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Posted - 2008.01.08 01:44:00 -
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provide a chat log if you can? To do that, go to My Documents > EvE > Capture > Logs. It should be in a document with the channel name and the date after it.
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Ricdic
Caldari
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd
Zzz
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Posted - 2008.01.08 02:04:00 -
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Treelox will provide chatlogs to the issue in question, I wasn't online at the time. Now, to the OP please provide chatlogs proving the scenario in that I promised you/your friends/whatever a 3% return overnight on deposited isk as well as a screenshot showing your transaction logs.
This "seeking iskies" person has not contacted me via evemail in any way either, plus I have gone through both EBANK and personal journals and found zero reference to a payment made by this person.
Interestingly enough, a search in P&P doesn't even show this character which would indicate it has been biomassed.
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.01.08 02:06:00 -
[9]
 Originally by: Vedz
It seems that Treelox was so busy bashing the newbie, he didn't even realize there were other people in the channel.
Yeah ok I was bashing the newbie, terrible aint it. Anyways I was aware of the other people in the channel, I am in the habit of having my ppl in channel listing scrolled to the bottom. While it was scrolled to the bottom I only seem to remeber see "Ulecese" at the bottom of the list. Now unless you know a different alphabet, I believe that "Vedz" comes after "Ulecese".
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For the rest of you I will include the total chat log from this conversation. The first two lines were from before I actually got in channel, and were PM'd to me soon after I arrived. I have included them because they provide context, but I wasnt there for them. Everything else after the normal evechat log channel indicators, I was present for. I had to zip the file, so that it wouldnt lose its formatting when it was uploaded to eve-files, its less than 7kb in size. Please remeber to support Chribba for the eve-files service and send him a buck or a quid when you get a chance.
Channel Chat Log
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FastLearner
Fury Holdings
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.01.08 02:11:00 -
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I've never been to the EBank channels, nor do I have any intention of ver doing so. They're my competitors - so gracing them with my presence wouldn't be in my interests. That said, I'd still far rather invest in them than in you - irrespective of any juvenile chat which occurs in their channel. Make of that what you will.
I really dislike defending EBank. I mean really :)
But they've delivered on what they promise - and appear to have a plan. You've delivered nothing and appear to have no plan beyond alienating every possible investor you could get. Sorry - but they win. EBank are my competitors, you're just some mouthy upstart with no track record. i was also a mothy updtart with no track record a while back (as were EBank). Are you going to progress beyond that to being a real force in the market? My money's on no.
I'm MORE than happy to attack EBank when I see (or perceive) them fall short - but this is just ludicrous. I'll be honest and admit that having EBank around actually helps me - and I suspect the same is true for them: having a credible competitor who you can differentiate your own service from adds value to the market as a whole. You lack credibility - and value.
I feel dirtied returning from the pub and making a post to defend EBAnk - but your efforts leave me little choice. Nothing Ebank has done suggests they are a scam.: I'm confident their directors aren't alts of one another. And I have FAR more than you to gain if they were demonstrably rip-off artistes. But they aren't. Now don't construe that as meaning I somehow guarantee them - I don't. But attacking their credibility when your own credibility lies somehwere between paper-thin and non-existent is going to do you no good.
Make your own judgment about MY credibility: it'll have zero effect on my business whatever you decide.
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Ricdic
Caldari
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd
Zzz
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Posted - 2008.01.08 02:16:00 -
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<3 FL 
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Assens Letta
Hunerian Science Institute
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Posted - 2008.01.08 02:17:00 -
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Edited by: Assens Letta on 08/01/2008 02:18:49
cospiracy theory ? sheer lunacy ? atempt to get attention ? childish atempt to discredit EBANK ?
pick one plz....
OP... have a nice life... good chuckles on your post though.....
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Kyrial Tidolfas
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Posted - 2008.01.08 02:26:00 -
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the chat log surprised me a bit.
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Vedz
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.01.08 02:28:00 -
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Pay attention to the timestamps of every post here. Notice the gap between their first response and when they decided to post logs. Keep in mind that log is a simple text file that can be easily manipulated with Notepad. Also notice the immediate obligatory EBANK praise from a shill with their same long and boring lies.
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Trilori
Caldari
GearBox Fleet Svcs
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Posted - 2008.01.08 02:31:00 -
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Originally by: Treelox
Originally by: Vedz
It seems that Treelox was so busy bashing the newbie, he didn't even realize there were other people in the channel.
Yeah ok I was bashing the newbie, terrible aint it. Anyways I was aware of the other people in the channel, I am in the habit of having my ppl in channel listing scrolled to the bottom. While it was scrolled to the bottom I only seem to remeber see "Ulecese" at the bottom of the list. Now unless you know a different alphabet, I believe that "Vedz" comes after "Ulecese".
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For the rest of you I will include the total chat log from this conversation. The first two lines were from before I actually got in channel, and were PM'd to me soon after I arrived. I have included them because they provide context, but I wasnt there for them. Everything else after the normal evechat log channel indicators, I was present for. I had to zip the file, so that it wouldnt lose its formatting when it was uploaded to eve-files, its less than 7kb in size. Please remeber to support Chribba for the eve-files service and send him a buck or a quid when you get a chance.
Channel Chat Log
I can verify and vouch for Treelox, I don't log chat but I know I was there and so were several others.
Sure there was insulting going on because the "newbie" who biomassed btw... Seeking iskies was causing all sorts of trouble.
CCP please STOP this mayhem, trolling is against EULA and I would like to see it stop ingame as well.
And as for you Vedz stop making up and spewing lies like*****roaches hatching by the SECOND!
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Jon Sanng
Minmatar
Conducti
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Posted - 2008.01.08 02:31:00 -
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Originally by: Treelox
As far as I am concerned, since I was in the channel when events similar to the ones portrayed occured, this accusation of yours is bovine scatology. I honestly didnt even see you in channel at that time, and trust me I pay attention to these things, so I wonder how you would even know that there was a "newb" making these claims, unless that "newb" was you.
Sure you did, he was just using the name "seeking iskies" at the time. :)
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Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.01.08 02:32:00 -
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Your getting desperate Vedz.
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Kwint Sommer
Incoherent Inc
Otaku Invasion
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Posted - 2008.01.08 02:36:00 -
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Dear Mods,
This is ridiculous and slanderous trolling, please lock this thread and throw Vedz out of MD.
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Kyrial Tidolfas
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Posted - 2008.01.08 02:36:00 -
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Originally by: Vedz
Pay attention to the timestamps of every post here. Notice the gap between their first response and when they decided to post logs. Keep in mind that log is a simple text file that can be easily manipulated with Notepad. Also notice the immediate obligatory EBANK praise from a shill with their same long and boring lies.
to be honest the log was unfavourable towards EBANK. but now since you mentioned it, maybe its made up.
also while i agree that EBANK are being defended almost religiously. You have not provided any chat log or any evidence to support your claim.
All your claims are unverified and unsuported. If you dont like EBANK i suggest you create a chatlog of "conversation" you had with ricdic etc. and then use that as "evidence". while im sure the great majority of MD will defend EBANK, at least you will have something to fall back on and i get to lulz.
ps. if you really really hate ebank just give them 500m and then they will have to give you money.
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Assens Letta
Hunerian Science Institute
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Posted - 2008.01.08 02:37:00 -
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Originally by: Vedz
Pay attention to the timestamps of every post here. Notice the gap between their first response and when they decided to post logs.
"And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many"
Mark 5:9
get a life.... 
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.01.08 02:39:00 -
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Originally by: Vedz
Pay attention to the timestamps of every post here. Notice the gap between their first response and when they decided to post logs.
Wow....
I wish I was quick enough to do a 10,000char conversation log from scratch in an hour, with the ability to keep +7 different characters seperate in my head. Hell if I could do that I would walk the Writers Union Picket lines and go write some jokes for Jay Leno's monologue tonight, since his studio is just over the hill.
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Vedz
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.01.08 02:40:00 -
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It's funny how when exposed they quickly squeal for a moderator to silence their critics. Remember what I said and their reactions, friends. You will be that newbie begging on your knees for your funds back as they laugh in your face.
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.01.08 02:40:00 -
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Originally by: Kyrial Tidolfas
the chat log surprised me a bit.
surprised how?
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Kyrial Tidolfas
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Posted - 2008.01.08 02:41:00 -
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Originally by: Treelox
Originally by: Vedz
Pay attention to the timestamps of every post here. Notice the gap between their first response and when they decided to post logs.
Wow....
I wish I was quick enough to do a 10,000char conversation log from scratch in an hour, with the ability to keep +7 different characters seperate in my head. Hell if I could do that I would walk the Writers Union Picket lines and go write some jokes for Jay Leno's monologue tonight, since his studio is just over the hill.
he said manipulated not created.
remember
1. read
2. comprehend
3. think
4. post
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Kyrial Tidolfas
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Posted - 2008.01.08 02:43:00 -
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Originally by: Treelox
Originally by: Kyrial Tidolfas
the chat log surprised me a bit.
surprised how?
i thought vedz was a troll and the chatlog would be bunch of people talking about stuff.
but it turned out that they were indeed verbally abusing "the noob". i didnt expect that.
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.01.08 02:43:00 -
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Originally by: Vedz
It's funny how when exposed they quickly squeal for a moderator to silence their critics.
Bring some real proof, and I'll seriously consider your charges.
Myself I DO NOT want the mods to lock this thread or silence you, I find it funny and well frankly I think most will agree with me, that the only reputation being damaged here is yours.
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Kyrial Tidolfas
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Posted - 2008.01.08 02:43:00 -
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Originally by: Vedz
It's funny how when exposed they quickly squeal for a moderator to silence their critics. Remember what I said and their reactions, friends. You will be that newbie begging on your knees for your funds back as they laugh in your face.
i suggest you make a bet of 50m that ebank is a scam. it is a GREAT idea. you will get free money.
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari
The Nexus Foundation
Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2008.01.08 02:44:00 -
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Funny... I haven't had a problem taking 1b out of EBank and getting within a very reasonable few hours, and yet Ricdic went ahead and "scammed" some "noob" for 50m.
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Assens Letta
Hunerian Science Institute
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Posted - 2008.01.08 02:48:00 -
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Edited by: Assens Letta on 08/01/2008 02:48:44
Originally by: Minerva Vulcan
Funny... I haven't had a problem taking 1b out of EBank and getting within a very reasonable few hours, and yet Ricdic went ahead and "scammed" some "noob" for 50m.
you dont get it do you ? many billions would alert ppl....hes doing it (scamming) 50M at a time.....
geeeeezzzzz
/me opens a fresh new bottle of Sarcasm just for the OP sake
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Vedz
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.01.08 02:48:00 -
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Edited by: Vedz on 08/01/2008 02:48:56
Originally by: Minerva Vulcan
Funny... I haven't had a problem taking 1b out of EBank and getting within a very reasonable few hours, and yet Ricdic went ahead and "scammed" some "noob" for 50m.
What's funny is that I see you on every EBANK thread constantly attacking and calling people "Ulf." What I find sad, however, is that I don't see your little friend. She tends to flatter me with her persistent stalking. Her name begins with a D, yes?
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SencneS
Amarr
Spartan Industrial Manufacturing
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.08 02:50:00 -
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When I enter an EBank thread I speak for EBank. Other EBank members including Ricdic are to refrain from posting. I can't control others but I am now the appointed PR Manager for EBank.
If anyone in this thread has concerns about EBank please address them to me. I will do my best to answer question and address concerns. This particular issue I managed to get the tail end of the so called, heated discussion.
I attempted to contact the visitor with no luck, I believe our visitor was no longer at the keyboard. Expecting him to EVE-Mail me by now, I did investigate the issue with the access I have. There was no account created for this customer, which means the automated API tracking embedded in our software did not pick up a deposit.
I had and will continue to extend my offer of personal reimbursement with the customer providing their limited access key. This is the only way to verify the ISK was sent to a know Ricdic character. I will take the issue up with Ricdic if I find a transaction went to a Ricdic character or a Corporation in which Ricdic is the CEO.
I did remain in the channel for several hours later and I am unable to find the lines to which the original poster referees to. My chat logs go up to and beyond the point in which I was the last EBank Representative in the channel. Any talk that took place after my departure was not spoken by an EBank representative.
As I said, I will continue to offer the 50,000,000 reimbursement our patron. All that is required is a limited access key, and within their journal it shows a transaction that went to a known Ricdic character or a Corporation in which Ricdic is the CEO.
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.01.08 02:52:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Kyrial Tidolfas
Originally by: Treelox
Originally by: Kyrial Tidolfas
the chat log surprised me a bit.
surprised how?
i thought vedz was a troll and the chatlog would be bunch of people talking about stuff.
but it turned out that they were indeed verbally abusing "the noob". i didnt expect that.
If you check who says what and where, the verbally "abusive" are clients of EBANKS and not members of its Board of Directors or its staff. I will agree though people did become more abusive as the conversation went on, but that was partly because in the abusers minds the charges were ridiculous.
I will also point out that you can see that some people were trying to be helpful, but "seeking iskies", like that name didnt doom him to ridicule saying Ricdic took his isk, wasnt very forth coming with any details with which to enable people to help him.
If there had been an error or Ricdic had scammed, a screenshot or a glimpse at the players wallet via the limited API would have solved everything. Sadly, Seeking iskies couldnt or wouldnt provide these basic things.
Do you expect to walk into your bank and get money if you just start waving your arm around and claiming you were robbed? Normally a passbook, a reciept or some such is required.
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Kyrial Tidolfas
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Posted - 2008.01.08 02:55:00 -
[33]
hmmm....maybe seeking iskis is ricdic.
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Trilori
Caldari
GearBox Fleet Svcs
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Posted - 2008.01.08 02:56:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Kyrial Tidolfas
Originally by: Minerva Vulcan
Funny... I haven't had a problem taking 1b out of EBank and getting within a very reasonable few hours, and yet Ricdic went ahead and "scammed" some "noob" for 50m.
to be honst if ricdic did scam him he would have done it knowing noone would believe the noob. oh wait API key and chat log. my bad.
At least the API can't be faked that I know of? Chat logs can, however as I mentioned I am vouching for Treelox that the logs are true and are real. Yes there was insulting of the newbie, what do you expect when a newbie tries to concot lies we're not going to stand around and act like nothing happened... you know very well we're going to defend EBANK even if it means insulting someone because we know that what they say is untrue.
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.01.08 02:56:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Kyrial Tidolfas
Originally by: Treelox
Originally by: Vedz
Pay attention to the timestamps of every post here. Notice the gap between their first response and when they decided to post logs.
Wow....
I wish I was quick enough to do a 10,000char conversation log from scratch in an hour, with the ability to keep +7 different characters seperate in my head. Hell if I could do that I would walk the Writers Union Picket lines and go write some jokes for Jay Leno's monologue tonight, since his studio is just over the hill.
he said manipulated not created.
remember
1. read
2. comprehend
3. think
4. post
ok you win <bows>
Myself personally I couldnt manipulate it to look as smooth as it is in an hour no matter how hard I tried. If I had manipulated it or created it, do you really think I would leave the "abuse" in there, and not try and make things look all sunshine and light?
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Assens Letta
Hunerian Science Institute
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Posted - 2008.01.08 02:58:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Kyrial Tidolfas
hmmm....maybe seeking iskis is ricdic.
maybe were all the same person.... maybe maybe....
are you taking the OP serious by any chance ? i dont know what is worst, the trolling or the cosnpiracy theorist pro believing him (that would be you kyrial)
funny funny thread :D
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FastLearner
Fury Holdings
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.01.08 02:58:00 -
[37]
Edited by: FastLearner on 08/01/2008 03:02:55
Originally by: Ricdic
EBANK do have some supporters but if they see something fishy going on they won't ignore it. The board of directors have view access to all accounts whilst tellers have take access to all accounts (basically tellers can process withdrawals, add notes on customers, setup loans etc).
So when both Banni and Heron checked their logs and found no character by that name the person should have either contacted me directly or tried to figure out what they done wrong (sent to wrong character, corp wallet, sent from their corp wallet etc).
Instead the person ignored 3 offerings of assistance (Heron, Banni, Treelox).
Now, there is no way possible for me to steal incoming money. I can't trick the API, if someone sends money to EBANK Ricdic, it will ALWAYS show up (Hexxx and anyone who knows the API can attest to this). Hypothetically I could corrupt the code in some way to steal money but I don't have any access to the code, plus my coding skills aren't too good.
Now, I generally like to make sure nothing untoward has happened before flaming etc, which may have happened a bit in the EBANK channel beforehand. However those people aren't EBANK representatives, they just hang out and chat in there. Banni and Heron 'are' EBANK reps and they handled themselves well.
Anyway seeing as how the person in question strangely doesn't exist any more, the OP has no chatlogs or proof of any sort, and can't answer direct questions, plus has some sort of internal information to show that Ufl and I work together in some way, and of these deals I am apparently handling, I would ask who the OP is. Your subject suggests what happened in the EBANK channel and yet you post your inside information on multiple levels.
Anyway, I wanted to keep this open for a bit before reporting it as I don't want people to think there is some sort of coverup. Anyway the day in question that the OP was speaking about, I was 7 hours from home on holidays and hadn't logged into eve for 3 days.
yeah, this is what amazes me. I;ve now had a couple of people try the "I deposited ISK - where's my shares" approach: but both backed down the minute I offered to find a neutral third-party (with substantial sums deposited by both of us) and verify the xistence or otherwise (obviously otherwise) of said transactions. I'm not sure what's most surprising - that individuals believe we'd throw away our long term projects for small sums (both of mine were sub 1-billion) or that they believe we aren';t aware of what can be demonstrated beyond doubt to a third-party by use of an API key. Either way, this trolling is beginning to get irritating: if somehow has real proof that EBank scams people come tell me about it. And if you have proof Fury Bank scams, go tell Ricdic about it. Both of us will happily chase it up. But the fact of the matter is that if EBank ever scammed I suspect I'd know about it well before some track-record-less noob alt did - and your thread would be buried amongst hundreds of others, not the single one with the topic.
Right now we have three credible banks in Eve. Sorry your's isn't one of them. Deal with it.
EDIT: Just in case the last line wasn't clear, it was aimed at the OP, not at EBank :)
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Kyrial Tidolfas
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Posted - 2008.01.08 02:59:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Trilori
Originally by: Kyrial Tidolfas
Originally by: Minerva Vulcan
Funny... I haven't had a problem taking 1b out of EBank and getting within a very reasonable few hours, and yet Ricdic went ahead and "scammed" some "noob" for 50m.
to be honst if ricdic did scam him he would have done it knowing noone would believe the noob. oh wait API key and chat log. my bad.
At least the API can't be faked that I know of? Chat logs can, however as I mentioned I am vouching for Treelox that the logs are true and are real. Yes there was insulting of the newbie, what do you expect when a newbie tries to concot lies we're not going to stand around and act like nothing happened... you know very well we're going to defend EBANK even if it means insulting someone because we know that what they say is untrue.
that does not change the fact that abuse has occured. if i kill a murderer, i will become a muderer. 2 wrongs make not right.
the lulz meter is going down btw.
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Kyrial Tidolfas
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Posted - 2008.01.08 03:02:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Assens Letta
Originally by: Kyrial Tidolfas
hmmm....maybe seeking iskis is ricdic.
maybe were all the same person.... maybe maybe....
are you taking the OP serious by any chance ? i dont know what is worst, the trolling or the cosnpiracy theorist pro believing him (that would be you kyrial)
funny funny thread :D
sigh...if you had read my posts you would know i do not believe him, yet. i am not going to dismiss a person just because he holds an unpopular view or is against established members. nonetheless his evidencelessness speaks ill of him.
but if ricdic were seeking iskies, wouldn't everything make sense???
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Dr Slurm
General Commodities
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Posted - 2008.01.08 03:03:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Kyrial Tidolfas
that does not change the fact that abuse has occured. if i kill a murderer, i will become a muderer. 2 wrongs make not right.
the lulz meter is going down btw.
Not unless you are doing it for country, then its ok.
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Kyrial Tidolfas
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Posted - 2008.01.08 03:04:00 -
[41]
Originally by: FastLearner
Originally by: Ricdic
EBANK do have some supporters but if they see something fishy going on they won't ignore it. The board of directors have view access to all accounts whilst tellers have take access to all accounts (basically tellers can process withdrawals, add notes on customers, setup loans etc).
So when both Banni and Heron checked their logs and found no character by that name the person should have either contacted me directly or tried to figure out what they done wrong (sent to wrong character, corp wallet, sent from their corp wallet etc).
Instead the person ignored 3 offerings of assistance (Heron, Banni, Treelox).
Now, there is no way possible for me to steal incoming money. I can't trick the API, if someone sends money to EBANK Ricdic, it will ALWAYS show up (Hexxx and anyone who knows the API can attest to this). Hypothetically I could corrupt the code in some way to steal money but I don't have any access to the code, plus my coding skills aren't too good.
Now, I generally like to make sure nothing untoward has happened before flaming etc, which may have happened a bit in the EBANK channel beforehand. However those people aren't EBANK representatives, they just hang out and chat in there. Banni and Heron 'are' EBANK reps and they handled themselves well.
Anyway seeing as how the person in question strangely doesn't exist any more, the OP has no chatlogs or proof of any sort, and can't answer direct questions, plus has some sort of internal information to show that Ufl and I work together in some way, and of these deals I am apparently handling, I would ask who the OP is. Your subject suggests what happened in the EBANK channel and yet you post your inside information on multiple levels.
Anyway, I wanted to keep this open for a bit before reporting it as I don't want people to think there is some sort of coverup. Anyway the day in question that the OP was speaking about, I was 7 hours from home on holidays and hadn't logged into eve for 3 days.
yeah, this is what amazes me. I;ve now had a couple of people try the "I deposited ISK - where's my shares" approach: but both backed down the minute I offered to find a neutral third-party (with substantial sums deposited by both of us) and verify the xistence or otherwise (obviously otherwise) of said transactions. I'm not sure what's most surprising - that individuals believe we'd throw away our long term projects for small sums (both of mine were sub 1-billion) or that they believe we aren';t aware of what can be demonstrated beyond doubt to a third-party by use of an API key. Either way, this trolling is beginning to get irritating: if somehow has real proof that EBank scams people come tell me about it. And if you have proof Fury Bank scams, go tell Ricdic about it. Both of us will happily chase it up. But the fact of the matter is that if EBank ever scammed I suspect I'd know about it well before some track-record-less noob alt did - and your thread would be buried amongst hundreds of others, not the single one with the topic.
Right now we have three credible banks in Eve. Sorry your's isn't one of them. Deal with it.
your suggestion that your bank is credible is biase. unless you are not saying that. in which case, i like kittens.
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Kyrial Tidolfas
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Posted - 2008.01.08 03:05:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Dr Slurm
Originally by: Kyrial Tidolfas
that does not change the fact that abuse has occured. if i kill a murderer, i will become a muderer. 2 wrongs make not right.
the lulz meter is going down btw.
Not unless you are doing it for country, then its ok.
no it isnt. you are still a murderer. people who live with you might not particularly care. but if god exists, and he cares, and hell exists, then you sir will burn for eternity. unless of course it was a jihad then you get 40 virgins.
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FastLearner
Fury Holdings
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.01.08 03:09:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Kyrial Tidolfas
Originally by: Assens Letta
Originally by: Kyrial Tidolfas
hmmm....maybe seeking iskis is ricdic.
maybe were all the same person.... maybe maybe....
are you taking the OP serious by any chance ? i dont know what is worst, the trolling or the cosnpiracy theorist pro believing him (that would be you kyrial)
funny funny thread :D
sigh...if you had read my posts you would know i do not believe him, yet. i am not going to dismiss a person just because he holds an unpopular view or is against established members. nonetheless his evidencelessness speaks ill of him.
but if ricdic were seeking iskies, wouldn't everything make sense???
No it wouldn't. If Ricdic wanted to scam he could get far more by means which didn;'t involve someone obviously trying to scam or raise controversy. I don't personally trist Ricidic 100% (and no doubt he doesn't trust me 100%) - but no way he'd be stupid enough to try to scam the way that's described - and for a few pennies. This sort of comment just indicates a lack of understanding of the forums/market from you. Noone but an idiot would scam tiny amounts at the risk of exposure. I don't think Ricdic is a scammer at all (that's NOT a vouch from me) - but even if he were there's no way he's stupid enough to scam the way described in this thread.
Just think about it: how does it make sense? It doesn't.
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Assens Letta
Hunerian Science Institute
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Posted - 2008.01.08 03:11:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Kyrial Tidolfas
Originally by: Assens Letta
Originally by: Kyrial Tidolfas
hmmm....maybe seeking iskis is ricdic.
maybe were all the same person.... maybe maybe....
are you taking the OP serious by any chance ? i dont know what is worst, the trolling or the cosnpiracy theorist pro believing him (that would be you kyrial)
funny funny thread :D
sigh...if you had read my posts you would know i do not believe him, yet. i am not going to dismiss a person just because he holds an unpopular view or is against established members. nonetheless his evidencelessness speaks ill of him.
but if ricdic were seeking iskies, wouldn't everything make sense???
sigh..... nvm..... my mom always told me not to discuss with.... oh nvm....
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Kyrial Tidolfas
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Posted - 2008.01.08 03:12:00 -
[45]
Originally by: FastLearner
Originally by: Kyrial Tidolfas
Originally by: Assens Letta
Originally by: Kyrial Tidolfas
hmmm....maybe seeking iskis is ricdic.
maybe were all the same person.... maybe maybe....
are you taking the OP serious by any chance ? i dont know what is worst, the trolling or the cosnpiracy theorist pro believing him (that would be you kyrial)
funny funny thread :D
sigh...if you had read my posts you would know i do not believe him, yet. i am not going to dismiss a person just because he holds an unpopular view or is against established members. nonetheless his evidencelessness speaks ill of him.
but if ricdic were seeking iskies, wouldn't everything make sense???
No it wouldn't. If Ricdic wanted to scam he could get far more by means which didn;'t involve someone obviously trying to scam or raise controversy. I don't personally trist Ricidic 100% (and no doubt he doesn't trust me 100%) - but no way he'd be stupid enough to try to scam the way that's described - and for a few pennies. This sort of comment just indicates a lack of understanding of the forums/market from you. Noone but an idiot would scam tiny amounts at the risk of exposure. I don't think Ricdic is a scammer at all (that's NOT a vouch from me) - but even if he were there's no way he's stupid enough to scam the way described in this thread.
Just think about it: how does it make sense? It doesn't.
it was not a rhetorical question. and you answereed correctly, no it would not make sense. why are you so inclined to jump at me and extrapolate my statement all theway to bashville? are you in fact ricdic's alt.
now wouldnt everything make sense.
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Kyrial Tidolfas
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Posted - 2008.01.08 03:15:00 -
[46]
Edited by: Kyrial Tidolfas on 08/01/2008 03:15:13
Originally by: Assens Letta
Originally by: Kyrial Tidolfas
Originally by: Assens Letta
Originally by: Kyrial Tidolfas
hmmm....maybe seeking iskis is ricdic.
maybe were all the same person.... maybe maybe....
are you taking the OP serious by any chance ? i dont know what is worst, the trolling or the cosnpiracy theorist pro believing him (that would be you kyrial)
funny funny thread :D
sigh...if you had read my posts you would know i do not believe him, yet. i am not going to dismiss a person just because he holds an unpopular view or is against established members. nonetheless his evidencelessness speaks ill of him.
but if ricdic were seeking iskies, wouldn't everything make sense???
sigh..... nvm..... my mom always told me not to discuss with.... oh nvm....
oh let me fill in the blank for you. sigh...nvm....my mom always told me not to discuss with her boyfriend. now you go drink some milk and go to bed it is already 7.30.
edit; typo.
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Assens Letta
Hunerian Science Institute
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Posted - 2008.01.08 03:15:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Kyrial Tidolfas
it was not a rhetorical question. and you answereed correctly, no it would not make sense. why are you so inclined to jump at me and extrapolate my statement all theway to bashville? are you in fact ricdic's alt.
now wouldnt everything make sense.
wheels within wheels within wheels ? reading too much Frank Herbert perhaps ?
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Kyrial Tidolfas
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Posted - 2008.01.08 03:16:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Assens Letta
Originally by: Kyrial Tidolfas
it was not a rhetorical question. and you answereed correctly, no it would not make sense. why are you so inclined to jump at me and extrapolate my statement all theway to bashville? are you in fact ricdic's alt.
now wouldnt everything make sense.
wheels within wheels within wheels ? reading too much Frank Herbert perhaps ?
driink your milk or i will take your water.
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Assens Letta
Hunerian Science Institute
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Posted - 2008.01.08 03:18:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Kyrial Tidolfas
Originally by: Assens Letta
Originally by: Kyrial Tidolfas
it was not a rhetorical question. and you answereed correctly, no it would not make sense. why are you so inclined to jump at me and extrapolate my statement all theway to bashville? are you in fact ricdic's alt.
now wouldnt everything make sense.
wheels within wheels within wheels ? reading too much Frank Herbert perhaps ?
driink your milk or i will take your water.
By the Maker ! would thou make me drink my milk and go bed early ?!? thou should not dare !!
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SencneS
Amarr
Spartan Industrial Manufacturing
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.08 03:19:00 -
[50]
Edited by: SencneS on 08/01/2008 03:20:27
I have offered my services in this thread. This post is to inform the posters that I will be unable to respond until tomorrow.
Please quote this thread with your questions or concerns if you would like EBank to respond.
Edit:- Corrected mistake.
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Kyrial Tidolfas
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Posted - 2008.01.08 03:21:00 -
[51]
Originally by: SencneS
I have offered my services in this thread. This post is to inform the posted that I will be unable to post until tomorrow.
Please quote this thread with your questions or concerns if you would like EBank to respond.
i know it is a pity but the op is a troll and he has no interest in talking to you. ps. he already got biomassed
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Kyrial Tidolfas
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Posted - 2008.01.08 03:29:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Assens Letta
Originally by: Kyrial Tidolfas
Originally by: Assens Letta
Originally by: Kyrial Tidolfas
it was not a rhetorical question. and you answereed correctly, no it would not make sense. why are you so inclined to jump at me and extrapolate my statement all theway to bashville? are you in fact ricdic's alt.
now wouldnt everything make sense.
wheels within wheels within wheels ? reading too much Frank Herbert perhaps ?
driink your milk or i will take your water.
By the Maker ! would thou make me drink my milk and go bed early ?!? thou should not dare !!
dont make me kanly you
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.01.08 03:31:00 -
[53]
I feel stupider for having read this thread.
Tanking Setups Compared
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Vedz
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.01.08 03:41:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Shadarle
I feel stupider for having read this thread.
And yet you proceeded to reply to it. I don't think that feeling is a result of reading this thread.
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Anastasia Heron
Amarr
Dark and Light inc.
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.08 03:45:00 -
[55]
I've been watching these posts pile up and pile up, and while they were amusing at first, they're starting to get tedious. Reminds me why I fast-forward through CAOD when I have the lack of foresight to go in there.
EBank is not a scam, either collectively or individually. Ricdic has enough personal ISK that scamming would be beyond pointless, to the point of insanity. I don't think many of the serious critics realize how much work has gone into making EBank a reality and keeping it solid and growing. This is a great organization and I'm proud to be a part of it. We're here to make Eve a better place to be, not become another in a long line of scams.
Obviously, this is Eve, and anything could be a scam. But I can say with full integrity that I've seen nothing internally that points to EBank coming close. I've in fact seen quite the opposite, members working hard to make sure this isn't perceived as a scam. I don't know any guarantees we can give anyone beyond our words and our reputation that backs up our words, along with whatever security the game can provide.
In the end, it all comes down to "If you don't trust us, don't deposit". 3% isn't enough to go through this sort of heartburn.
And, not to be a jerk, but we're under no obligation to inform our depositors or the general public how we make ISK or what our balances are. FIN and FIN-U are a complete black hole and I haven't seen anyone scream scam about them... well, ever, tbh. Our efforts to sift through a lot of data to provide numbers that make sense are efforts of goodwill on our part, and because we're all big numbers nerds and like to see them. I do measurements reporting for a living so I know how difficult it is to produce numbers that can actually be useful and make sense. I applaud our programmers for their efforts.
I hope that the mods consign the ad hominem attacks and baseless speculation to the drek pile where it belongs. And having said that, thanks to everyone who has supported us. It's great to have that level of encouragement doing what feels like a thankless job.
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Vedz
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.01.08 04:03:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Anastasia Heron
I've been watching these posts pile up and pile up, and while they were amusing at first, they're starting to get tedious. Reminds me why I fast-forward through CAOD when I have the lack of foresight to go in there.
EBank is not a scam, either collectively or individually. Ricdic has enough personal ISK that scamming would be beyond pointless, to the point of insanity. I don't think many of the serious critics realize how much work has gone into making EBank a reality and keeping it solid and growing. This is a great organization and I'm proud to be a part of it. We're here to make Eve a better place to be, not become another in a long line of scams.
Obviously, this is Eve, and anything could be a scam. But I can say with full integrity that I've seen nothing internally that points to EBank coming close. I've in fact seen quite the opposite, members working hard to make sure this isn't perceived as a scam. I don't know any guarantees we can give anyone beyond our words and our reputation that backs up our words, along with whatever security the game can provide.
In the end, it all comes down to "If you don't trust us, don't deposit". 3% isn't enough to go through this sort of heartburn.
And, not to be a jerk, but we're under no obligation to inform our depositors or the general public how we make ISK or what our balances are. FIN and FIN-U are a complete black hole and I haven't seen anyone scream scam about them... well, ever, tbh. Our efforts to sift through a lot of data to provide numbers that make sense are efforts of goodwill on our part, and because we're all big numbers nerds and like to see them. I do measurements reporting for a living so I know how difficult it is to produce numbers that can actually be useful and make sense. I applaud our programmers for their efforts.
I hope that the mods consign the ad hominem attacks and baseless speculation to the drek pile where it belongs. And having said that, thanks to everyone who has supported us. It's great to have that level of encouragement doing what feels like a thankless job.
A long and boring post to summarize the basic message: you don't like what's being said and you want a moderator to silence anyone that exposes your scam.
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Trotski II
Rasta Tropical Club
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Posted - 2008.01.08 04:03:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Vedz
It's funny how when exposed they quickly squeal for a moderator to silence their critics. Remember what I said and their reactions, friends. You will be that newbie begging on your knees for your funds back as they laugh in your face.
I don¦t have any money in any bank but i have shares of corps that Ricdic runs. I think he and his gang are honest hard working people. You disagree. That¦s fine.
Now we all know what you think and have your warning. I thank you from the bottom of my heart.
If i here you i would stay low profile and when it turns a multi-billion scam you will look like a prophet, visionary, whatever. If you keep pushing things so hard you only look like a crazy fool.
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Anastasia Heron
Amarr
Dark and Light inc.
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.08 04:37:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Vedz
A long and boring post to summarize the basic message: you don't like what's being said and you want a moderator to silence anyone that exposes your scam.
If you've exposed anything besides your irrational prejudice, I haven't seen it. Seriously, you're Geraldo opening Al Capone's vault here.
By the way, I did love this:
Originally by: Vedz
What were they doing all together, I wondered. Whenever I read about EBANK, I see many people defending and praising it. I always thought these people were unrelated and came together only by coincidence to defend EBANK because they really had a successful experience with it and believed it was a genuinely good "corporation." Yet all these people were in the same channel together for some reason.
You know, I'm pretty sure that members of BoB, Goonswarm, FIX, KIA, AAA, and other major alliances hang out in channels together. Wonder what their scam is? In fact, I bet there are a number of people reading this forum right now! Including you! We're all in cahoots! Run for the hills!
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Vedz
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.01.08 04:49:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Anastasia Heron
Seriously, you're Geraldo opening Al Capone's vault here.
You know, Geraldo might not have found anything, but that doesn't change the fact that Al Capone was a criminal. So was that a confession?
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Kyrial Tidolfas
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Posted - 2008.01.08 04:57:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Vedz
Originally by: Anastasia Heron
Seriously, you're Geraldo opening Al Capone's vault here.
You know, Geraldo might not have found anything, but that doesn't change the fact that Al Capone was a criminal. So was that a confession?
go go vedz bring down the corporation. expose them for what they are. and then, YOU WILL BE GOD AMONG MEN!!!!
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Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.01.08 05:19:00 -
[61]
Actions speak louder than words; and the silence from Vedz is deafening.
Consulting, IPO Template, and Stock/Bond definitions.
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Kushion
Anti Sweden Defense Force
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Posted - 2008.01.08 05:26:00 -
[62]
I smell alts and trolls. Did I get lost and wander into CAOD? I personally have an ebank account with 500m in it, and I've never had a problem withdrawing money.
From what I can tell:
1. No ebank representative conducted themselves poorly. Some non-ebank people were ****s, but ebank can't be held accountable for their actions.
2. The claims asserted by the OP have no basis in fact. No proof of any kind was given. Anyone can run into a bank and claim they've deposited money, too. But if they can't provide the smallest bit of easily providable proof, they have no credibility. This thread is no more than a poorly executed troll and potentially a smear campaign/fear mongering.
End of story.
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eosfun
Gallente
The Extremists
Dark Matter Empire
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Posted - 2008.01.08 05:34:00 -
[63]
Edited by: eosfun on 08/01/2008 05:36:14
Wow... Just wow... I have come to a conclusion that everyone needs to stop posting about EBANK. This libel is being swung back and forth and frankly, I don't know what to believe anymore.
Vedz, the libel that you have thrown out here is beyond me. The stuff you have said plunders me into thinking that all your out for is some sort of sick pleasure in causing drama. I really do not think you have any personal profit in lying through your teeth and why you are doing it is again beyond me. Frankly, the lies you have thrown out into the forums are sickening and how you sleep at night, I still don't know.
It is people like you that I compare to people like ***** Bin Laden. You make me sick.
EDIT -
For some reason you can't say "O-s-a-m-a"
EVE'S PORTAL Gamma Testing :D:D:D!!! |
Vedz
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.01.08 05:43:00 -
[64]
I ommand you to show yourself.
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Trilori
Caldari
GearBox Fleet Svcs
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Posted - 2008.01.08 05:47:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Vedz
I ommand you to show yourself.
Looks like lack of spelling comprehension too.
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eosfun
Gallente
The Extremists
Dark Matter Empire
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Posted - 2008.01.08 05:56:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Vedz
I ommand you to show yourself.
Well, sorry, forums don't like my face. Im just too damn ugly. Sorry.
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Kwint Sommer
Incoherent Inc
Otaku Invasion
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Posted - 2008.01.08 06:20:00 -
[67]
Is the original post bad enough to warrant reporting? It's certainly a nasty case of slander and trolling, but am I wasting the moderators' time with it or does it warrant their attention? Personally I would like to see Vedz banned....(and that's from a guy with an empty Ebank account he never uses and no stock in the company)
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Daeva Vios
Ares Arms and Modules LLC
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Posted - 2008.01.08 06:25:00 -
[68]
At this point it could be revealed that all of EBANK's operations are run by divine, benevolent beings sent to this planet for the sole purpose of running a legit EVE bank and Vedz would continue to troll about EBANK. It's his pet project. It doesn't really matter whose alt he is, or even if he is an alt. What he is, plain and simple, is a troll.
Do as you will, by all means. I won't pretend that you'll listen to me telling you what to do, but I will say that I think you should ignore the troll. You're just supporting his behavior by doing anything but hitting the Report link.
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LaVista Vista
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd
Zzz
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Posted - 2008.01.08 06:33:00 -
[69]
I was honestly gonna make a post which quoted the correct handeling of a such dispute as stated in the Terms & Conditions(And these were followed during the conversation, and done by several people other than me). And its was painfully obvious that it was a troll.
So i honestly cant be bothered, as i just woke up.
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