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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.01.10 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Jonny JoJo
I dont need to say FMP's suck. We all know they do. Its like using Heavy assaults on raven,
It is.
Heavy assaults are cruiser-sized weapons, Raven is a BS-sized ship.
FMPs are cruiser-sized weapons, that feel like frig-sized weapons when shooting eanm+dc tanks.
fixed it for you. ---------------------------------------------
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ElCoCo
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.10 16:06:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Jonny JoJo Do you fit several EM hardners on Vagabonds just to give it high effective hitpoits vs Amarr Doomsday and then claim is as doomsdayproof to make people think the vaga has 150k hitpoints+?
Well, thats what Cpt Branko did above. Can you even read this thread? If that is not a cheat setup, then I ask you to name a single killmail where someone fits several explosive hardners on a ship where explosive is highist resist, and uses that ship in pvp?
You really are as clueless as KIAEddz
No realy, how do you fit your onyx and broadsword to be as good as you want the devoter to be? (i.e. have dmg, mwd, can tank all DD's, have good self repair ability and not depend on cap charges to do all that) |
madaluap
Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2008.01.10 16:29:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Jonny JoJo
Originally by: Neon Razor please boost Onyx it does less dmg with HAM's than a devoter does with its smallest guns devoter is overpowered and needs to be nerfed to bring it into line with the other HIC's
even though i hate using EFT to prove things i think i have proven that a devoter can have a cap stable setup that can tank all 4 titans and do good dps and even though some people will still try to say that onyx and broadsword are alot better then numbers do not lie. then again all this talk about being cap neutral is not worth the time spent writing about as you are going to get nossed.
Except that the Devoter has almost 25% less effective hitpoints and has to shoot in smartbomb range. Thats 80% range reduction over the Oynx.
Thats the problem with you people trying to use EFT to prove things. I am stating real world facts and useing EFT to back it up. If so much as a small neut from a frig get placed on that devoter, or the devoter needs to cycle a mwd 5-10mins inst scrambling a titan - its cap collapses.
Weeeeeeelcome to the show JOJO!
The real world pvp man!
First question: What is the DPS of a Onynx versus a titan with the standard 3* 10 km range smartbomb that fire fulltime with a interval of 2.5 - 3 seconds?
1. Will it be <100 dps 2. Will it be < 50 dps 3. Is it totally irrelevant and nobody gives a flying ****?
Jojo, dont know. Jojo total fail... . . . . . ...BOOOOST AMAARRRRZZZ _________________________________________________ Breetime
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StickyFingerz
Dark Materials
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Posted - 2008.01.10 17:07:00 -
[124]
Edited by: StickyFingerz on 10/01/2008 17:10:06
Originally by: Jonny JoJo
OMG I WANNA FIT ALL MODS AND NOT COMPRIMISE AT ALL.
i dont actaully know crap about how HIC's are fitted (and assume the other races can all do this as well - IE fitt all the hardest to fit mods).
I am going to cry OMG about amaar despite not knowing jack.
There, Fixed.
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Jonny JoJo
Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.10 19:05:00 -
[125]
Originally by: madaluap Weeeeeeelcome to the show JOJO!
The real world pvp man!
First question: What is the DPS of a Onynx versus a titan with the standard 3* 10 km range smartbomb that fire fulltime with a interval of 2.5 - 3 seconds?
1. Will it be <100 dps 2. Will it be < 50 dps 3. Is it totally irrelevant and nobody gives a flying ****?
Jojo, dont know. Jojo total fail... . . . . . ...BOOOOST AMAARRRRZZZ
I will be the first to laugh at you, when you see neut drones etc attacking a HIC. Thats what the weapons are for - to take out small stuff attacking you and NOT to attack a titan. You truely must be an idiot, but then again, you will then deny it.
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Jonny JoJo
Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.10 19:10:00 -
[126]
Originally by: StickyFingerz I am anti-amarr troll. I think I know how to fit a hic for the job of real world pvp as dictated by EFT and not by actualy ingame experience. I also havent a cluse about pvp vs capital ships, which is very different vs regular ships, so my brain thought is on the wrong wavelength.
I know CCP prenerfed HIC's, and the Amarr Hic and phobos lack fitting. Since I also enjoy cold soup at a renteraunt insted of telling the waiter, I will take the lazy ass approach here and pass the blame on pilots. After all, the car industry for decades used to say deaths in accidends were drivers faults and nothing to do with car design, and seatbelts were dangerous, so I will beleive any old tripe without challange it.
There. Fixed
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2008.01.10 19:17:00 -
[127]
Edited by: Cpt Branko on 10/01/2008 19:20:37 Edited by: Cpt Branko on 10/01/2008 19:18:29
Originally by: Jonny JoJo I am a troll who only PvPs in EFT. I do not appear on any KBs, I do not, in fact, undock my ship for anything except missions, because Amarr sucks. Please fix Amarr so I win EFT.
Fixed it for you.
Also, you, being a 7/2007 char, are far far away from a HIC or proper skills to fly anything bigger then a T1 cruiser in PvP.
Also, he had a very valid point: you want to fit everything w/out compromising (and AWU which you certainly don't have). Well, try fitting some gallente ships with neutron blasters if you think highest-tier guns for other races are easy to fit.
Rifters!
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Jonny JoJo
Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.10 19:22:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Cpt Branko Hello, i use a lot of cheat setups to try and make people think broken ships are ok. For example, if I was anti-munin, I would put on 3 EM hardners on its 92% default em resis and then claim it has OMGBBQ Hitpoints to try to confuse the reader.
And when I am wrong - I never admit it and insted do ad hominem attacks.
Really, Thanks for sharing this
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2008.01.10 19:27:00 -
[129]
So you wouldn't refit for a specific titan (since you're unlikely to see a titan every day soloing in your HIC which you cannot fly)?
At any rate, people have given you setups which you can use versus any Titan w/out refitting, and they're still not good enough because you want to fit highest tier guns in addition to everything else?
LOL.
Really. You do EFT PvP, which is fine and dandy, but is not a reason to troll ships&modules; so, essentially, since you can't fly a HIC nor participate in fleet fights, wait for a year, train some fitting skills, and then whine.
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StickyFingerz
Dark Materials
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Posted - 2008.01.10 19:27:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Jonny JoJo
Originally by: StickyFingerz I am anti-amarr troll. I think I know how to fit a hic for the job of real world pvp as dictated by EFT and not by actualy ingame experience. I also havent a cluse about pvp vs capital ships, which is very different vs regular ships, so my brain thought is on the wrong wavelength.
I know CCP prenerfed HIC's, and the Amarr Hic and phobos lack fitting. Since I also enjoy cold soup at a renteraunt insted of telling the waiter, I will take the lazy ass approach here and pass the blame on pilots. After all, the car industry for decades used to say deaths in accidends were drivers faults and nothing to do with car design, and seatbelts were dangerous, so I will beleive any old tripe without challange it.
There. Fixed
ROFL.
Amarr have issue's allright, i know just as well as anyone. however the over exageration that all amarr ships are broken is utter *******s, espeically this ship.
I dont doubt that some HICs are bettr than others, however i really dont think the amarr one is broken, in fact i am generally of the opinion that all the new HIC's are pretty well done.
If you had noticed that i am amarr you see that i am pretty unlikly to be a anti-amarr troll.
the amarr have issues everyone knows this, HOWEVER - there is more sensationalism about amarr than any other race that coupled with a tone of amarr pilots that think they have a god given right to tank and gank all at the same time really gets on my ****.
the problem is i might have over reacted with sensationalism of my own and 2 wrongs dont make a right.
that said i think this HIC isnt a bad ship at all when you put in the role its intended for.
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StickyFingerz
Dark Materials
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Posted - 2008.01.10 19:29:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 10/01/2008 19:20:37 Edited by: Cpt Branko on 10/01/2008 19:18:29
Originally by: Jonny JoJo I am a troll who only PvPs in EFT. I do not appear on any KBs, I do not, in fact, undock my ship for anything except missions, because Amarr sucks. Please fix Amarr so I win EFT.
Fixed it for you.
Also, you, being a 7/2007 char, are far far away from a HIC or proper skills to fly anything bigger then a T1 cruiser in PvP.
Also, he had a very valid point: you want to fit everything w/out compromising (and AWU which you certainly don't have). Well, try fitting some gallente ships with neutron blasters if you think highest-tier guns for other races are easy to fit.
the blasters comment is soo true.
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Waxau
The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.01.10 19:36:00 -
[132]
Sorry JoJo, but you obviously dont know how to fly nor fit HICs. Every arguement you have made just screams inexperience, and at the end of the day...You cant base arguements on that.
The HICs are probably the most balanced ship class out there righ now, and if you dont like your current one, then fine. Train for a different one. But when looking at the big picture, all HICs are balanced, and this whine of yours is not only misplaced, but does nothing for you or your alliance.
Might i suggest you quit whilst youre well...You arent ahead, so that phrase doesnt really work
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Lorz0r
You're Doing It Wrong
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Posted - 2008.01.10 20:02:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Jonny JoJo
Originally by: madaluap Weeeeeeelcome to the show JOJO!
The real world pvp man!
First question: What is the DPS of a Onynx versus a titan with the standard 3* 10 km range smartbomb that fire fulltime with a interval of 2.5 - 3 seconds?
1. Will it be <100 dps 2. Will it be < 50 dps 3. Is it totally irrelevant and nobody gives a flying ****?
Jojo, dont know. Jojo total fail... . . . . . ...BOOOOST AMAARRRRZZZ
I will be the first to laugh at you, when you see neut drones etc attacking a HIC. Thats what the weapons are for - to take out small stuff attacking you and NOT to attack a titan. You truely must be an idiot, but then again, you will then deny it.
ITT: Trolling
Just glancing through he wants a HIC that can tank all 4 titans, do HAC DPS, HAC Speed, Immune to Neut's and can run for ages before it caps out.
I'm sure when the HIC is primary his 4 Lasers will be enough to stop all the incoming fire UNLESS of course you manage to catch a Titan by itself!!!
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Jonny JoJo
Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.10 20:05:00 -
[134]
Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 10/01/2008 20:06:10
Originally by: Lorz0r
Originally by: Jonny JoJo
Originally by: madaluap Weeeeeeelcome to the show JOJO!
The real world pvp man!
First question: What is the DPS of a Onynx versus a titan with the standard 3* 10 km range smartbomb that fire fulltime with a interval of 2.5 - 3 seconds?
1. Will it be <100 dps 2. Will it be < 50 dps 3. Is it totally irrelevant and nobody gives a flying ****?
Jojo, dont know. Jojo total fail... . . . . . ...BOOOOST AMAARRRRZZZ
I will be the first to laugh at you, when you see neut drones etc attacking a HIC. Thats what the weapons are for - to take out small stuff attacking you and NOT to attack a titan. You truely must be an idiot, but then again, you will then deny it.
ITT: Trolling
Just glancing through he wants a HIC that can tank all 4 titans, do HAC DPS, HAC Speed, Immune to Neut's and can run for ages before it caps out.
I'm sure when the HIC is primary his 4 Lasers will be enough to stop all the incoming fire UNLESS of course you manage to catch a Titan by itself!!!
Nope - Thats you guys making stuff up. Never said I wanted a HIC to do hac DPS.
I want a HIC that can
1. Defend itself from random small crap such as drones etc 2. Tank a doomsday 3. Have enough cap to lock down a titan for at least 10minutes, more closer to half an hour.
Broadsword does this. Oynx does this. Does Devoter? Nope. So since you fail at reading, you also fail at understanding. I have alreaddy said in this thread that the Damage bonus should be replaced with a bonus that helps it in its role to lock down Supercapitals.
However, you guys are very well aware, however you like to spin facts.
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Lorz0r
You're Doing It Wrong
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Posted - 2008.01.10 20:10:00 -
[135]
Edited by: Lorz0r on 10/01/2008 20:14:26
Originally by: Jonny JoJo Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 10/01/2008 20:06:10
Originally by: Lorz0r
Originally by: Jonny JoJo
Originally by: madaluap Weeeeeeelcome to the show JOJO!
The real world pvp man!
First question: What is the DPS of a Onynx versus a titan with the standard 3* 10 km range smartbomb that fire fulltime with a interval of 2.5 - 3 seconds?
1. Will it be <100 dps 2. Will it be < 50 dps 3. Is it totally irrelevant and nobody gives a flying ****?
Jojo, dont know. Jojo total fail... . . . . . ...BOOOOST AMAARRRRZZZ
I will be the first to laugh at you, when you see neut drones etc attacking a HIC. Thats what the weapons are for - to take out small stuff attacking you and NOT to attack a titan. You truely must be an idiot, but then again, you will then deny it.
ITT: Trolling
Just glancing through he wants a HIC that can tank all 4 titans, do HAC DPS, HAC Speed, Immune to Neut's and can run for ages before it caps out.
I'm sure when the HIC is primary his 4 Lasers will be enough to stop all the incoming fire UNLESS of course you manage to catch a Titan by itself!!!
Nope - Thats you guys making stuff up. Never said I wanted a HIC to do hac DPS.
I want a HIC that can
1. Defend itself from random small crap such as drones etc 2. Tank a doomsday 3. Have enough cap to lock down a titan for at least 10minutes, more closer to half an hour.
Broadsword does this. Oynx does this. Does Devoter? Nope. So since you fail at reading, you also fail at understanding. I have alreaddy said in this thread that the Damage bonus should be replaced with a bonus that helps it in its role to lock down Supercapitals.
However, you guys are very well aware, however you like to spin facts.
What are you on about? You don't get random crap like drones on you when you're in a fleet battle with a titan. People don't just put a few drones on you when youre tackling a titan.
also - fitting frig weapons as suggested earlier would probably be more efficient for taking out drones. Job done. Go home - nothing to see here
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Grimpak
Gallente Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2008.01.10 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: Jonny JoJo Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 10/01/2008 20:06:10
Originally by: Lorz0r
Originally by: Jonny JoJo
Originally by: madaluap Weeeeeeelcome to the show JOJO!
The real world pvp man!
First question: What is the DPS of a Onynx versus a titan with the standard 3* 10 km range smartbomb that fire fulltime with a interval of 2.5 - 3 seconds?
1. Will it be <100 dps 2. Will it be < 50 dps 3. Is it totally irrelevant and nobody gives a flying ****?
Jojo, dont know. Jojo total fail... . . . . . ...BOOOOST AMAARRRRZZZ
I will be the first to laugh at you, when you see neut drones etc attacking a HIC. Thats what the weapons are for - to take out small stuff attacking you and NOT to attack a titan. You truely must be an idiot, but then again, you will then deny it.
ITT: Trolling
Just glancing through he wants a HIC that can tank all 4 titans, do HAC DPS, HAC Speed, Immune to Neut's and can run for ages before it caps out.
I'm sure when the HIC is primary his 4 Lasers will be enough to stop all the incoming fire UNLESS of course you manage to catch a Titan by itself!!!
Nope - Thats you guys making stuff up. Never said I wanted a HIC to do hac DPS.
I want a HIC that can
1. Defend itself from random small crap such as drones etc 2. Tank a doomsday 3. Have enough cap to lock down a titan for at least 10minutes, more closer to half an hour.
Broadsword does this. Oynx does this. Does Devoter? Nope. So since you fail at reading, you also fail at understanding. I have alreaddy said in this thread that the Damage bonus should be replaced with a bonus that helps it in its role to lock down Supercapitals.
However, you guys are very well aware, however you like to spin facts.
random crap?
if you call being primary to the ENTIRE FLEET that is guarding the titan, "random crap", I don't know what you consider about a proper setup fleet. ---
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Mc Fraser
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Posted - 2008.01.10 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: Jonny JoJo
Nope - Thats you guys making stuff up. Never said I wanted a HIC to do hac DPS.
I want a HIC that can
1. Defend itself from random small crap such as drones etc 2. Tank a doomsday 3. Have enough cap to lock down a titan for at least 10minutes, more closer to half an hour. However, you guys are very well aware, however you like to spin facts.
have i not posted a setup that tanks all 4 DDD is cap neutral and does more dps than an onyx can with HAM's you say that a devoter cannot when you fail to read or look at all the setups that are looking you in he face proving that they can. my devoter can have its med armor rep runnign with all its guns and hardeners and scram 23/7 it has 7k less effective hp than an onyx but tanks better than the onyx does with its passive tank.
WHAT ELSE DO YOU WANT
oh i am neon razor but have sold him so i am now Mc Fraser
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Malka Badi'a
Suffoco Noctis
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Posted - 2008.01.10 20:22:00 -
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I've yet to actually fly it, but am I the only one who would fill that with full Nos, full webbers+MWD, and the typical tanking bottom already described? Suck the cap and speed out of things around you, not just cap ships, and you've suddenly got 2-3 more easy targets for your fleet to mop up.
Seems silly to try and make it do both tackling, tanking, and damage and expect decent results. Go roll a nightelf if you want that. ---------
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StickyFingerz
Dark Materials
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Posted - 2008.01.10 20:33:00 -
[139]
tbh, at the start of this topic he was complainin about needing a MWD to keep things tackled, now he is on about tackling titans.....
i can see titans MWD'ing out of range on a HIC all the time.. :/
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Malka Badi'a
Suffoco Noctis
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Posted - 2008.01.10 20:36:00 -
[140]
I'm new here, but can Titans be bumped? ---------
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Jonny JoJo
Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.10 20:57:00 -
[141]
Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 10/01/2008 20:57:54
Originally by: StickyFingerz tbh, at the start of this topic he was complainin about needing a MWD to keep things tackled, now he is on about tackling titans.....
i can see titans MWD'ing out of range on a HIC all the time.. :/
Good luck travaling 100km to a titan without MWD before it warps. I dont know many titan pilots that would be happy to uncloak in scram range of a hic. Most titan pilots uncloak DD and warp/recloak or they warp/jump in, DD and warp out/cloak.
Also, in sever danger, a titan pilot that is not 100 fully bubbled can get a carrier to warp to him at 0, thus bumping the titan out of dangers way. This has already happened once before where a carrier warped into a titan from the top going down and bumped it 50km away.
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2008.01.10 21:03:00 -
[142]
Edited by: Cpt Branko on 10/01/2008 21:03:30
Originally by: Jonny JoJo
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You're theorycrafting again. I realise that EFT PvP and theorycraft turns you on, but it's not something to balance ships on.
HICs are really preety well balanced out.
Rifters!
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Malka Badi'a
Suffoco Noctis
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Posted - 2008.01.10 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko You're theorycrafting again. I realise that EFT PvP and theorycraft turns you on, but it's not something to balance ships on.
HICs are really preety well balanced out.
Just a note: Theorycrafting is god in this game, as it equal tactical prepardeness and prediction. But I agree that balancing ships on it is utter fail. ---------
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Jonny JoJo
Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.10 21:33:00 -
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Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 10/01/2008 21:33:58
Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 10/01/2008 21:03:30
Originally by: Jonny JoJo
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You're theorycrafting again. I realise that EFT PvP and theorycraft turns you on, but it's not something to balance ships on.
HICs are really preety well balanced out.
You are theory crafting. You saying a MWD on a hic is non needed in the real world? Dude dod you expect titan pilots to uncloak right in front of you so you dont have to travel?
"Ah but someone else will have warp to". Yeah - some non-Amarr HIC.
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Ione Hunt
0utbreak
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Posted - 2008.01.10 21:39:00 -
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Thanks for proving once again that Amarrians are the biggest whiners...
Seriously, the ship does what it's supposed to do, just as well as the other HICs. _______________
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ElCoCo
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.10 21:40:00 -
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chrisss0r
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Posted - 2008.01.10 21:56:00 -
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of course u need a tanking vs every doomsday type for u never know which type of titan u'll get to see in your level 2 missions ;)
Dude stop trolling. U never even saw a titan in your eve-career..
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Eagle Tarquinas
Gallente Gangrel Mining and Security
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Posted - 2008.01.10 22:09:00 -
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Edited by: Eagle Tarquinas on 10/01/2008 22:09:41 Edited by: Eagle Tarquinas on 10/01/2008 22:09:11 Jonny JoJo... you lack a single ounce of logic. After reading this whole post, I can say two things; one: your posts, jonny, have irreversably lowered my IQ. Two: there is overwhelming evidence against your case. And one more thing... a Hic should never EVER EVER EVER EVER tackle a titan alone. There should be multiple carriers, dreadnoughts, and hundreds of non-capitol ships ready to move in when it gets locked down. And another thing, there would be multiple Hics (at least if you wanted a decent chance of succeeding). All Hics can be set up to survive the doomsday; however most would have a bit of trouble being primaried by... oh... the entire support fleet of the titan. Which usually includes multiple battleships, cruisers, frigates, and maybe even a carrier. Your fleet's job is to help keep it locked down as well as keeping people from shooting you into oblivion. Taking down a titan is a TEAM effort, a HiC set up specifically for tackling a titan should be able to do only that TBH; tackling the titan is much more important that 500, 1000, 1500, or whatever DPS you can think of. If you actually want to tackle the titan, you must adapt your fit for the SPECIFIC situation; you shouldnt have the wtfbbq ship that can tank all. You must learn that specialized ships which are then FURTHER specialized for tackling a SPECIFIC ship are usually gimped in all BUT doing what your are setting them up to do. Hm... that was a bit more than two things... oh well. Sorry for the wall of text people.
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2008.01.10 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: Jonny JoJo
You are theory crafting. You saying a MWD on a hic is non needed in the real world? Dude dod you expect titan pilots to uncloak right in front of you so you dont have to travel?
I never said it's not necessary; I wouldn't fly a non-MWD cruiser-sized ship anywhere much (which is why full passive broadsword setups are preety stupid imho). You are putting words in my mouth.
I am saying you are theorycrafting about Amarr HIC being inadequate in general, by putting them in situations where they're being neuted, smartbombed, droned, doomsdayed and 100km off.
What ship is NOT screwed in the scenarios you mention to make Amarr HICs seem bad specifically?
Furthermore, you are trolling; you ignore any arguments and setups which go against what you're trying to say. Also, you have no PvP experience to speak off and talk about tackling titans as if you were the font of knowledge on fleet battles. Which stinks of 'EFT-only warrior' to high-heaven, and you cannot balance ships around EFT-wars and theorycraft.
Rifters!
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2008.01.10 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: Eagle Tarquinas Edited by: Eagle Tarquinas on 10/01/2008 22:09:41 Edited by: Eagle Tarquinas on 10/01/2008 22:09:11 Jonny JoJo... you lack a single ounce of logic. After reading this whole post, I can say two things; one: your posts, jonny, have irreversably lowered my IQ. Two: there is overwhelming evidence against your case. And one more thing... a Hic should never EVER EVER EVER EVER tackle a titan alone. There should be multiple carriers, dreadnoughts, and hundreds of non-capitol ships ready to move in when it gets locked down. And another thing, there would be multiple Hics (at least if you wanted a decent chance of succeeding). All Hics can be set up to survive the doomsday; however most would have a bit of trouble being primaried by... oh... the entire support fleet of the titan. Which usually includes multiple battleships, cruisers, frigates, and maybe even a carrier. Your fleet's job is to help keep it locked down as well as keeping people from shooting you into oblivion. Taking down a titan is a TEAM effort, a HiC set up specifically for tackling a titan should be able to do only that TBH; tackling the titan is much more important that 500, 1000, 1500, or whatever DPS you can think of. If you actually want to tackle the titan, you must adapt your fit for the SPECIFIC situation; you shouldnt have the wtfbbq ship that can tank all. You must learn that specialized ships which are then FURTHER specialized for tackling a SPECIFIC ship are usually gimped in all BUT doing what your are setting them up to do. Hm... that was a bit more than two things... oh well. Sorry for the wall of text people.
But Jojo thinks that you should be able to spot a passing Titan, tackle it solo, take out the support and wait till the fleet kills it, and you can't prove him wrong, naaah naaah ;)
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