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shinsushi	Posted - 2008.01.11 03:35:00 - [181] So, what you guys are asserting is that WITHOUT drones, those ships out-damage the maller, which doesn't have drones, and this in-turn makes it just fine and dandy to equally gimp the devoter? What planet are you guys living on, seriously.... I know, lets nerf the hell out of the sacriledge, or the vaga because their T1 versions can't compare, or how about all of the command ships? This line of reasoning makes no sense. It also does not give a good reason why, all other thing being equal, that the devoter should suffer from one less turret slot. Wu something above even pointed out that the onyx is not really based off of the moa for example, throwing this continuity through hull class theory of yours right out the window. An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument.
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.01.11 03:39:00 - [182] Originally by: shinsushi So, what you guys are asserting is that WITHOUT drones, those ships out-damage the maller, which doesn't have drones, and this in-turn makes it just fine and dandy to equally gimp the devoter? What planet are you guys living on, seriously.... I know, lets nerf the hell out of the sacriledge, or the vaga because their T1 versions can't compare, or how about all of the command ships? This line of reasoning makes no sense. It also does not give a good reason why, all other thing being equal, that the devoter should suffer from one less turret slot. Wu something above even pointed out that the onyx is not really based off of the moa for example, throwing this continuity through hull class theory of yours right out the window. eh? what the hell? I said that in terms of damage, the devoter actually does more damage than the T1 version in wich is based, not like the other 3 HIC's that actually do LESS damage than their T1 versions. --- planetary interaction idea!
Wu Jiun	Posted - 2008.01.11 03:43:00 - [183] Originally by: shinsushi So, what you guys are asserting is that WITHOUT drones, those ships out-damage the maller, which doesn't have drones, and this in-turn makes it just fine and dandy to equally gimp the devoter? You claim devoter got screwed because it loses a turret hardpoint against a maller. So i extended this viewpoint comparing a thorax to a phobos. Phobos (applying just your logic here) loses 50m¦ of dronespace which is about 3 x the dps of a heavy pulse laser on the devoter (with no dmg mods). So on what planet do you live? Its really simple.
shinsushi	Posted - 2008.01.11 03:58:00 - [184] And both of you are under the misconception that these ships should be balanced against the T1 hulls they are based off of, rather than the rest of the ships in class. If such were the case, and an important aspect in ship design, why the switch in bonuses for the Paladin. Why does the sacrilege compare favorable to its counterparts, while its T1 hull does not against it's? You guys are looking at it from a skewed point of view, something i have no clue what gave rise to. Ships are balanced against others in its CLASS and TIER. If you have to say it 100 times then do so, and understand that. Hulls are only hulls. There has still not been one compelling argument as to why the devoter deserves to have a weapon hard-point removed, making it the only HIC with 4 weapons rather than 5. How about I propose one for you. In order to give the devoter a 5th hardpoint, CCP would have to consider boosting it's fitting to a point that would allow it to fit yet another 1600 mm plate, just to accommodate one more FMP II. That is at least a plausable explanation, of course it then would draw light on another issue that is seperate from this thread. An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument.
Mc Fraser Cross Roads	Posted - 2008.01.11 09:25:00 - [185] Originally by: shinsushi UTTER **** YOU SIR ARE A BIGGER TROLL THAN JoJo if you are going to use EFT use your skills and not EFT all skills at lvl 5 on neon razor i had HIC 4 with heavy missile spec 4 heavy assault missile spec 4 and medium pulse 4 i also had caldari and amarr cruiser 5 the devoter does more dmg than the onyx yes it uses cap for its weapons but they are f-ing lasers what did you ever expect yes the onyz and droadsword are lucky they have 0 cap on weapons if you think the devoter is so crap spend 10 days training a different cruiser to 5 so you can use they devoter and then find out how they are all not that different.
Ishina Fel Caldari Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.01.11 10:30:00 - [186] Wow, this thread has now attracted Failsushi too? Oh boy, this is getting better by the post. Can I get this thread as a RSS feed for my daily humor collection?
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2008.01.11 10:46:00 - [187] Edited by: madaluap on 11/01/2008 10:48:01 Epic fights \o/ Originally by: Ishina Fel Wow, this thread has now attracted Failsushi too? Oh boy, this is getting better by the post. Can I get this thread as a RSS feed for my daily humor collection? You can get RSS feed using eve-search me thinks. _________________________________________________ Breetime A killmail!11!1 omgrawr: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Mc Fraser Cross Roads	Posted - 2008.01.11 11:16:00 - [188] how about we all just pull down our pants and compare length and the longest gets to argue they point with the thickest
Glarion Garnier Solar Wind STELLAR LEGION	Posted - 2008.01.11 11:52:00 - [189] Reading over two pages from this thread has propably been the most useless time i have ever spent on my life. And I tought I have done useless things before. -RonP 2008-
shinsushi	Posted - 2008.01.11 12:47:00 - [190] Originally by: Mc Fraser Originally by: shinsushi UTTER **** YOU SIR ARE A BIGGER TROLL THAN JoJo if you are going to use EFT use your skills and not EFT all skills at lvl 5 on neon razor i had HIC 4 with heavy missile spec 4 heavy assault missile spec 4 and medium pulse 4 i also had caldari and amarr cruiser 5 the devoter does more dmg than the onyx yes it uses cap for its weapons but they are f-ing lasers what did you ever expect yes the onyz and droadsword are lucky they have 0 cap on weapons if you think the devoter is so crap spend 10 days training a different cruiser to 5 so you can use they devoter and then find out how they are all not that different. Hmm.... didn't we just prove, back one page, that the onyx does indeed do more DPS (195 vs 167)... I think we did. When using EFT, try to fit kinetic missiles on the onyx and you will see it does more damage. how about we use the same skills to compare two ships? I know its a radical idea, but it just might take the pilot out of the equation..... all lvl 4s perhaps? I don't believe it will make much of a difference. This is bad logic brought about by people who lost arguments months ago, because they had nothing else to say. As soon as I see nothing but personal attacks and people complaining about EFT, I know I have won the argument, and that I am right. Thanks guys. I see my fan club has arrived, its kinda ironic when you call someone a troll, and completely ignore the discussion at hand isn't it? I wonder if they have a word to describe that.... An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument.

Ogul Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.11 12:55:00 - [191] Originally by: shinsushi I see my fan club has arrived, its kinda ironic when you call someone a troll, and completely ignore the discussion at hand isn't it? I wonder if they have a word to describe that.... I think you are making a "Jonny JoJo"-argument there. More on topic, I have no idea why you spend all that time whining about one of those Amarr ships that is actually quite decent. --- This is a war declaration, issued from your alt corp. It is used to gank people in high sec.
Ariel Dawn Beets and Gravy Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.11 13:39:00 - [192] Devoter is the best HIC at what it's supposed to be used for, holding down Super Capitals. It's DPS is pathetic, just like all the other HICs. Fly another ship if you want DPS. Ignore Jonny JoJo and shinsushi so they can go back to jerking each other off and complaining about Amarr. There is absolutely no argument that will work against them, period.
Bronson Hughes Knights of the Wild	Posted - 2008.01.11 15:09:00 - [193] Edited by: Bronson Hughes on 11/01/2008 15:13:52 Okay, this is a first for me. A second reply in a Jonny JoJo thread. 1. Devoter can do more DPS than it's T1 counterpart. All of the other ones do equal or lesser main weapon DPS and all of the others lose all of their drone DPS. In this respect, the Devoter is actually superior to the other Heavy 'Dictors. Now, whether or not it's T1 counterpart is gimped is an entirely different discussion. 2. The Devoter can maintain it's damage at range far better than the Phobos. It's about on par range-wise with an AC Broadsword. A HAM Onyx should slightly out-range it. This is consistent with the other racial ships. The same relationship should hold for long range weapons as well, although the Onyx is the only Heavy 'Dictor that has an easier time fitting long range weapons. But this is true of all missile ships, not just Heavy 'Dictors. 3. The Devoter can tank a DD blast just as well as any of the other Heavy 'Dictors. Plate it, crank its resists up, and you have a huge effective HP buffer. If you're going into a fight to tackle a Titan, you tank to match that Titan. Devoters obviously tank a Minmatar DD better than a Phobos would. A Phobos would tank a Caldari DD better than a Devoter. Rock, Paper, Scissors. 4. What the Devoter cannot do is fit an anti-DD tank (i.e. massive HP buffer) and a good, sustainable repper tank. The Phobos has a hard time with this as well. The Broadsword and the Onyx can, however, do this because their passive shield tank grants them high HP and high shield regen. But this isn't a Heavy 'Dictor issue, it's a tanking issue that applies to pretty much all ships in EvE. 5. The Devoter also has some cap issues, especially if it mounts a MWD. So does the Phobos. The Broadsword and the Onyx don't suffer as much from cap issues because of their capless weapons, but if they fit a MWD they lose a module for tanking which offsets the cap issues somewhat. This again is an issue with the races in general and not limited to Heavy 'Dictors. So is the Devoter crap? No. Is it balanced relative to the other Heavy 'Dictors? As well we it can be given the racial differences in EvE. Are there general game design issues that happen to manifest themselves very well with Heavy 'Dictors? You bet. EDIT: Blah, typos. -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne
Van Steiza Logistical Anomaly	Posted - 2008.01.11 16:35:00 - [194] JHONNY JO JO OR WAT EVER I THINK.....I think that you should maybe go slit ur wrists because Ur the biggest idiot in the known universe...PLEASE Stop imbarassing the HUMAN RACE.... PLEASE......You ignore the people who have posted setups that can tank doomsdays or people that have actualy done it and posted setups. Also when tanking doomsdays you alway shave intel before heading to the field most the time ur told to fit specificaly. If not there are many setups that have been posted that can tank doomsdays they are not even specific to a race.... YOU sir are n Focktard of the month. Good day! lol
Skeiron	Posted - 2008.01.11 16:39:00 - [195] What if you get your extra turret hardslot eh? Then you'll complain only the more that it is not possible to fit good tank + mwd and 5 turrets, therefore they want grid increases. Then you say "OMG devoter sucks!!1 with 5 highest tier weapons and tank and mwd its cap runs out in like 1 minute, buff plx!!", so CCP will increase the cap of the ship... The only reason devs never (rarely) post in in ships & modules is that whatever they may do to support the whiners, every problem they solve creates even more other problems. True some ships really do need an emergency checkup (AF, anyone?) but to give in to the Amarr whiners with the demands they are making now is like stealing candy from 3 kids just to keep the 4th happy. Also, some arguments are just rediculous beyond belief. I thought it was JoJo saying that the ORE mining barges were an Amarr nerf? Seriously that sort of **** doesn't make any sense at all. Rather than seeing everything CCP does as an Amarr nerf, try also to look at the bigger picture, gameplay balance, look at it from both sides of the medal. You will see that what they do is never really imbalanced for either race. Also not to mention that being of a specific race does not compell you to use the races' ships (read Sarmauls guide to cross-training to see what I mean). Generally speaking, there is one ship for every situation (such as tanking for a specific DDD), and depending on the frequency of which the situation occurs, some races' ships may be more usefull overall than others. Does this mean that the entire race is broken? Far from it. ------------------------- When EvE Online meets Real Life

CCP Mitnal	Posted - 2008.01.11 18:13:00 - [196] Cleaned Please keep on-topic and respectful of other users. Do not pyramid quote, select relevant quotes and use only those. Mitnal, Community Representative EVE Online CCP Games Email/Netfang

Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness	Posted - 2008.01.11 18:45:00 - [197] Originally by: Skeiron What if you get your extra turret hardslot eh? Then you'll complain only the more that it is not possible to fit good tank + mwd and 5 turrets, therefore they want grid increases. And we wouldnt want that, would we? Because that would prove the ridicilous fitting requiremnts for lasers. --------------------------------------------- [Video]The Inquisition I - Swift Justice
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2008.01.11 18:52:00 - [198] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 11/01/2008 18:53:51 Edited by: Cpt Branko on 11/01/2008 18:52:30 Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Skeiron What if you get your extra turret hardslot eh? Then you'll complain only the more that it is not possible to fit good tank + mwd and 5 turrets, therefore they want grid increases. And we wouldnt want that, would we? Because that would prove the ridicilous fitting requiremnts for lasers. With one more turret slot, you could still fit five guns preety easy (with plenty of grid to spare) with a dual MAR + MWD + cap injector + interdiction module + 800mm RT plate. I don't think you know what you're talking about. It does not, in fact, require AWU at all. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness	Posted - 2008.01.11 19:07:00 - [199] Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 11/01/2008 18:53:51 Edited by: Cpt Branko on 11/01/2008 18:52:30 Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Skeiron What if you get your extra turret hardslot eh? Then you'll complain only the more that it is not possible to fit good tank + mwd and 5 turrets, therefore they want grid increases. And we wouldnt want that, would we? Because that would prove the ridicilous fitting requiremnts for lasers. With one more turret slot, you could still fit five guns preety easy (with plenty of grid to spare) with a dual MAR + MWD + cap injector + interdiction module + 800mm RT plate. I don't think you know what you're talking about. It does not, in fact, require AWU at all. Why you putting skeirons words in my mouth for? --------------------------------------------- [Video]The Inquisition I - Swift Justice
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.11 19:17:00 - [200] Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 11/01/2008 18:53:51 Edited by: Cpt Branko on 11/01/2008 18:52:30 Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Skeiron What if you get your extra turret hardslot eh? Then you'll complain only the more that it is not possible to fit good tank + mwd and 5 turrets, therefore they want grid increases. And we wouldnt want that, would we? Because that would prove the ridicilous fitting requiremnts for lasers. With one more turret slot, you could still fit five guns preety easy (with plenty of grid to spare) with a dual MAR + MWD + cap injector + interdiction module + 800mm RT plate. I don't think you know what you're talking about. It does not, in fact, require AWU at all. Sounds like excellent frig dps there. Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(21 total)

madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2008.01.11 19:25:00 - [201] Edited by: madaluap on 11/01/2008 19:25:13 Originally by: Jonny JoJo Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 11/01/2008 18:53:51 Edited by: Cpt Branko on 11/01/2008 18:52:30 Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Skeiron What if you get your extra turret hardslot eh? Then you'll complain only the more that it is not possible to fit good tank + mwd and 5 turrets, therefore they want grid increases. And we wouldnt want that, would we? Because that would prove the ridicilous fitting requiremnts for lasers. With one more turret slot, you could still fit five guns preety easy (with plenty of grid to spare) with a dual MAR + MWD + cap injector + interdiction module + 800mm RT plate. I don't think you know what you're talking about. It does not, in fact, require AWU at all. Sounds like excellent frig dps there. Takes a deep breath. THESE THINGS WERE NOT DESIGNED TO DEAL DAMAGE. GET IT? WHY DONT YOU *** GET IT? It has been posted so many times and you JUST DONT GET IT. _________________________________________________ Breetime A killmail!11!1 omgrawr: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.11 19:26:00 - [202] Originally by: Bronson Hughes 1. Devoter can do more DPS than it's T1 counterpart. All of the other ones do equal or lesser main weapon DPS and all of the others lose all of their drone DPS. In this respect, the Devoter is actually superior to the other Heavy 'Dictors. Now, whether or not it's T1 counterpart is gimped is an entirely different discussion. That argument is invald as you do not include full dps from other races. For example, a Damnation does caracel damage. Should a t2 BC do t1 cruier damage? See the logical fallacy there? Devoter has 4 turrets and has to use 2nd class weapons or civillian guns to fend doff enemy drones etc in the event of a attack. In the real world, alliances have multiple titans, so having a tank that can sustain a blast of any titan is required. You could get a avatar or a erebus or a ragarok blast if you fight bob, and in the future, most powerful alliances capable of supporting titans will have multiple types. So you cannot assume that you know what titan is going to DD you at a moments notice. Its like assuming that a raven will shoot wrath cruise at you. The Devoter shows the problems with crazy broken amarr lasers. CCP need to fix that ASAP or pump up the devoter or remove the devoter laser damage bonus and replace it with something useful. Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(21 total)
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.11 19:28:00 - [203] Originally by: madaluap Takes a deep breath. THESE THINGS WERE NOT DESIGNED TO DEAL DAMAGE. GET IT? WHY DONT YOU *** GET IT? It has been posted so many times and you JUST DONT GET IT. /ms looks at damage bonus in description. So CCP gave a ship a bonus it was not designed for? Devoters are designed to do damage - you have to engage your brain to work out where the damage goes. Here is a clue - it is not on a capital! Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(21 total)
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2008.01.11 19:30:00 - [204] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Originally by: madaluap Takes a deep breath. THESE THINGS WERE NOT DESIGNED TO DEAL DAMAGE. GET IT? WHY DONT YOU *** GET IT? It has been posted so many times and you JUST DONT GET IT. /ms looks at damage bonus in description. So CCP gave a ship a bonus it was not designed for? Devoters are designed to do damage - you have to engage your brain to work out where the damage goes. Here is a clue - it is not on a capital! I allready replied to that stupid comment and i used your own post to own yourself with. _________________________________________________ Breetime A killmail!11!1 omgrawr: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Si Delane Sector 7 Visions of Warfare	Posted - 2008.01.11 19:38:00 - [205] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 10/01/2008 01:18:01 Ok Heavy interdictor needs MWD to keep targets in range, otherwise anything it bubbles or scrams will just MWD away. It needs a reasonable tank and it needs to be able to take advantage of its damage bonus. However it SEVERLY lacks grid. Other races have OMG WTF Tank and nano etc but as usualy, Amarr totally got bent over. So can anyone name a "SENSIBE" Mwd setup for this ship? Is there even such a thing? The only way people can fit this ship is by using civillian guns on it. I wanted to bring this back to our OP just for giggles and then point out the things we've added: Survability to all 4 types of DDD without refitting. Ability to fit top end guns regardless if it could, you woudln't, and would instead put on more tank. Fit MWD. Permarun every but the MWD without cap charges (well not perma, but more than 10 minutes). Is that everything? Just wanted to clarify. ------------------------- Actually this IS my main.
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.11 19:44:00 - [206] Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 11/01/2008 19:46:18 Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 11/01/2008 19:44:51 Originally by: Si Delane Originally by: Jonny JoJo Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 10/01/2008 01:18:01 Ok Heavy interdictor needs MWD to keep targets in range, otherwise anything it bubbles or scrams will just MWD away. It needs a reasonable tank and it needs to be able to take advantage of its damage bonus. However it SEVERLY lacks grid. Other races have OMG WTF Tank and nano etc but as usualy, Amarr totally got bent over. So can anyone name a "SENSIBE" Mwd setup for this ship? Is there even such a thing? The only way people can fit this ship is by using civillian guns on it. I wanted to bring this back to our OP just for giggles and then point out the things we've added: Survability to all 4 types of DDD without refitting. Ability to fit top end guns regardless if it could, you woudln't, and would instead put on more tank. Fit MWD. Permarun every but the MWD without cap charges (well not perma, but more than 10 minutes). Is that everything? Just wanted to clarify. I am awaiting your top range guns + DD tank + mwd that can run everything without cap charges/booster/rigs setup. Heavy Pulse use a lot of cap and fitting I hear. Oh wait - this is Devoter we are taking about - not Onyx/Broadsword! Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(21 total)
Bronson Hughes Knights of the Wild	Posted - 2008.01.11 19:52:00 - [207] Edited by: Bronson Hughes on 11/01/2008 19:54:20 Originally by: Jonny JoJo That argument is invald as you do not include full dps from other races. For example, a Damnation does caracel damage. Should a t2 BC do t1 cruier damage? See the logical fallacy there? Yes I do. I was comparing the damage output of a set of T2 cruisers relative to their T1 counterparts. These values should be expected to be roughly equal given that all of the T2 ships fill the same role and are based on the same types of ships. You're comparing the damage output of a Fleet Support Command Ship with a T1 cruiser that it's not based on. (BTW, the Damnation actually does more damage than the Caracal) The fallacy is yours. Also, how did I not include the full DPS of the other races? Aside from drones and ship-board weapons, what other source of DPS is there? There's also the little part where I said: Originally by: Bronson Hughes Now, whether or not it's T1 counterpart is gimped is an entirely different discussion. I'm staying away from whether or not the Maller is on par with the Thorax or the Moa or the Rupture because that's a whole other discussion. I'm here to talk about the Devoter compared to other Heavy 'Dictors. Originally by: Jonny JoJo The Devoter shows the problems with crazy broken amarr lasers. CCP need to fix that ASAP or pump up the devoter or remove the devoter laser damage bonus and replace it with something useful. All of the problems you have with the Devoter seem to be based on it's Amarrian design. So really, you seem to have a problem with Amarr, not just the Devoter. This is fine, just realize that before you keep complaining that the Devoter is broken and focus instead on complaining about Amarrian design in general. And just out of curiosity, how do you feel about my points 2-5? Or my conclusions? -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2008.01.11 19:52:00 - [208] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 11/01/2008 19:46:18 Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 11/01/2008 19:44:51 Originally by: Si Delane Originally by: Jonny JoJo Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 10/01/2008 01:18:01 Ok Heavy interdictor needs MWD to keep targets in range, otherwise anything it bubbles or scrams will just MWD away. It needs a reasonable tank and it needs to be able to take advantage of its damage bonus. However it SEVERLY lacks grid. Other races have OMG WTF Tank and nano etc but as usualy, Amarr totally got bent over. So can anyone name a "SENSIBE" Mwd setup for this ship? Is there even such a thing? The only way people can fit this ship is by using civillian guns on it. I wanted to bring this back to our OP just for giggles and then point out the things we've added: Survability to all 4 types of DDD without refitting. Ability to fit top end guns regardless if it could, you woudln't, and would instead put on more tank. Fit MWD. Permarun every but the MWD without cap charges (well not perma, but more than 10 minutes). Is that everything? Just wanted to clarify. I am awaiting your top range guns + DD tank + mwd that can run everything without cap charges/booster/rigs setup. Heavy Pulse use a lot of cap and fitting I hear. Oh wait - this is Devoter we are taking about - not Onyx/Broadsword! Im missing the phobos in that line up....I wonder why? _________________________________________________ Breetime A killmail!11!1 omgrawr: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2008.01.11 20:09:00 - [209] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 11/01/2008 20:09:48 Originally by: Jonny JoJo Originally by: Cpt Branko With one more turret slot, you could still fit five guns preety easy (with plenty of grid to spare) with a dual MAR + MWD + cap injector + interdiction module + 800mm RT plate. I don't think you know what you're talking about. It does not, in fact, require AWU at all. Sounds like excellent frig dps there. If it had 5 guns, it'd quite definitely outdamage the Onyx and most likely the Broadsword, with FMP IIs. You can fit Heavy Pulses but it requires compromises. If you added just one more gunslot on the Devoter, it'd be preety damn awesome. I'd say it'd be the best HIC around if it weren't for the fact that guns are preety irrelevant on it. Interestingly enough, Heavy Pulses II are much easier to fit on the Devoter then, say, Heavy Neutrons are on a Phobos (would require a RCU II really). Devoter fitting is completely fine. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Si Delane Sector 7 Visions of Warfare	Posted - 2008.01.11 20:09:00 - [210] The phobos is missing from that line up because passive tanking is good for precisely this application. Not because the phobos/devoter is bad. ------------------------- Actually this IS my main.



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