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NTRabbit Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2008.01.17 17:41:00 - [61] The inferior blowhards with all the criticisms and none of the help or answers just keep coming I see. Nice set of stats from Stavros, the Grief Master of Coldfront, and quite predictable really. I bet none of them are even in the completely illegible group of 30, let alone the considered 40. I would have made it 41 valid applications, but sadly I just cannot afford the flight to and from at this point in time. Personally, I feel that by adding my awesome to the existing awesome of the past 2 tournaments, the place and show would have just been too awesome, you know? ------
niroku Gallente Crimson Council	Posted - 2008.01.17 19:12:00 - [62] Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 17/01/2008 16:49:22 The likes of John Motson and Jonathan Pearce have never played professional football, but are still well-known football commentators in the UK. completely agree . i don't think it is at all necessary to know anything about eve, the tactics or the ships involved to be able to commentate on what is happening . it is however, very helpful . people are far too quick to criticise, especially when they don't have the experience which would ultimately silence them for then knowing better . like or dislike the hosts or people chosen as experts, they are there to do a job, and that isn't to sit there and oh 'er... um...' . these people can communicate and that is the most important thing . anyone else would crumble, most likely even myself . walk some in their shoes before you judge ?
QwaarJet Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.01.17 19:32:00 - [63] Edited by: QwaarJet on 17/01/2008 19:32:43 Edited by: QwaarJet on 17/01/2008 19:32:24 Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 17/01/2008 16:49:22 I'm not sure that never having been in the tournament is that much of a disadvantage. The likes of John Motson and Jonathan Pearce have never played professional football, but are still well-known football commentators in the UK. Even many of the ex-footballers used as pundits still talk authoritatively about the World Cup without ever having played in it. John Motson is a great commentator. But inevitably there are gaps in his knowledge. If you asked him how it was to go out at XX stadium or how much effort the teams put in......he wouldn't know. Regardless of how good a non-involved can be, one who has experienced it first hand will ALWAYS know better. Just as Verone keeps so angrily pointing out about the EVETV crew putting in so much effort that we don't realize (which I'm sure they do..that's not in doubt), people that have never been involved in the tournament don't know much effort the teams put into it and how much has to be sacrificed for all the members, and sometimes I feel that isn't aknowledged. And Verone, there was really no need for that post. I have no problem with EVETV, and I love the tourney broadcasts. No need to get all defensive about it. It gets old after a while. I appreciate all you lot do, truely. All I ever said is that I would want former tourney participants as experts, ideally.
Evil Edna Seal Cub Clubbing Club	Posted - 2008.01.17 19:39:00 - [64] Edited by: Evil Edna on 17/01/2008 19:39:58 aye ^^ verone read what i said in reply to stavros, as it applys to you as well just because you dont have commitments or issues that prevent you from taking two or three weeks out to go and do this, doesnt give you the right to rage at people with angry indignation over criticisms. i agree that just irrationally bashing something like this isnt productive, but neither is that attitude youre displaying in that post. theres a large element of truth in the idea that people who put themselves into the spotlight as it were, needing to be able to take criticisms on the chin, either to ignore them if theyre just trolling or mindless negativity, or take them on board if they make valid points. lashing out at people doesnt look good as a member of whats meant to be a fairly professional operation.
StevieSG	Posted - 2008.01.17 19:54:00 - [65] Originally by: QwaarJet Edited by: QwaarJet on 17/01/2008 19:32:43 Edited by: QwaarJet on 17/01/2008 19:32:24 Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 17/01/2008 16:49:22 I appreciate all you lot do, truely. All I ever said is that I would want former tourney participants as experts, ideally. Cool, thanks for the feedback- next time just say stuff like this. It's far more helpful, and it saves a lot of problems if you know what I mean? This stuff makes me realise more and more how much guts and determination it takes for the Experts to do what they are doing. It is no surprise to me how difficult the process is- not just choosing people with experience that are well liked but people who can do the job itself, which opens the door for all this critisism. People who can't make it out to the tourney are no less qualified then those who can. People with less experience can sometimes have better opinions and can express them in a better way. The good thing that comes from this discussion is that the experts are going to be fueled by this to do the best they can, and put on a wonderful show- which is what this is all about correct? Something people enjoy. I think i'm going to give this argument a rest for a bit, because it's become reduntant and this thread won't create any positive change (which is what a forum should be.. right?... *right?.* ) It's a shame that someones valid concerns end up becoming a three-page ego based argument and it's more of a shame that something that is supposed to be a becon for the the eve community is sometimes also a beacon for negativity. SG Also, I would like to add that I have in fact put make-up on Verone. OMG ROFL KFC WTF http://www.eve-online.tv/default.aspx
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.01.17 20:07:00 - [66] You might want to check your quote brackets there Stevie Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
QwaarJet Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.01.17 20:15:00 - [67] Fair post Stevie tbh. I'll drop it now, since we have our own preparations to concentrate on for a MM victory at this tourney. Good luck to the EVETV guys.
StevieSG	Posted - 2008.01.17 20:16:00 - [68] Originally by: Rodj Blake You might want to check your quote brackets there Stevie Hehehehe... All da fighting made me sloppy OMG ROFL KFC WTF http://www.eve-online.tv/default.aspx
Verone Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.01.17 23:57:00 - [69] Originally by: Evil Edna verone read what i said in reply to stavros, as it applys to you as well just because you dont have commitments or issues that prevent you from taking two or three weeks out to go and do this, doesnt give you the right to rage at people with angry indignation over criticisms. I do have commitments, I make space in my time to be a part of Eve-TV if I'm invited to do so. What gives anyone the right to rage about how much someone sucks at hosting a TV show, when they know nothing about the sheer hours that go into it, over someone defending that person who's worked with him, and knows just how much of his time he puts into making Eve-TV what it is? Originally by: Evil Edna I agree that just irrationally bashing something like this isnt productive, but neither is that attitude youre displaying in that post. If someone comes here and irrationally bashes people I've worked with, the least they should expect me to do is defend them. Originally by: Evil Edna theres a large element of truth in the idea that people who put themselves into the spotlight as it were, needing to be able to take criticisms on the chin, either to ignore them if theyre just trolling or mindless negativity, or take them on board if they make valid points. If he was making valid points, I'm sure everyone would take them on board. All I've seen so far is him whining about spiral for no justifiable reason other than he thinks he sucks. Originally by: Evil Edna lashing out at people doesnt look good as a member of whats meant to be a fairly professional operation. I'm not a "member" of any form of organization. I don't get paid by MMM or CCP, I'm a volunteer. I've been given an awesome opportunity that I'm very greatful for and as such, I'll maintain as best of an image as I can when I'm put in front of a camera and do what's asked of me, helping out extra where I can. What I won't do is sit back and watch spiral take a kicking because some armchair warrior with no clue about the work that goes on to make Eve-TV what it is "doesn't like him". It doesn't float with me mate, especially when I've personally been sat in a studio at 10pm at night, helping him out with script writing for pre-records when everyone else is in the pub. You have no idea how much work goes into each episode. People who hammer any of the cast or crew of Eve-TV need to take a step back and see just how much actually goes into it, before talking crap about people. If you think you can do better, step up and do so. If not, criticise constructively and put forward some form of view, instead of laying into people for no reason. Alternatively, don't watch the show if you're not happy with it. It really is that simple. >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW - EVE FICTION <<<
kessah Blood Corsair's Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.01.18 14:16:00 - [70] I quite like the guy tbh. People give him stick for not saying the right thing but honestly its quite a nerve racking experience really and most know what he means. So i for one enjoyed SJ, stevies's not bad neither. ..the only thing i disliked about Eve Tv was some of the panel, i bloody hated stravos and with the panel consisting of what was from what i saw 50% Cruel Intentions i could be wrong here, but they were the ones showing up for the interviews mostly, i felt it was completely based on whos friends with who rather than who represent who from each corner of eve. Id love to see Diablique get on there

shekat khlorblaster	Posted - 2008.01.18 22:36:00 - [71] Originally by: StevieSG Originally by: Trypho It`s a very cheap way of slander to criticize someone while not making a difference yourself. I had the pleasure of being a NewsClone (while it lasted), and SJ was a great guy to work with (or for ). Perhaps try contributing to the show yourself when if returns or bring up constructive criticism instead of pure bitterness like you do now. Maybe you will start appreciating the "volunteers"/heroes in service of the EVE-community a bit more then... o snap.. EvE tv made my night shift bearable ....bring back spiral and stevie sg ...and dont forget to throw angel in for the tourney 5...shes funny! more news would be good... i hope to see more of the day to day action from the eve news clones out there ...every fleet/gang needs to take a news clone out with them for recording the fights ... then all we need is for eve tv to have a place for us to down load the files and tell the story (dont forget to mention smacktalk in local , as this can be as hilarious as the fights sometimes )
4rc4ng3L Gallente Bi0Sh0ck	Posted - 2008.01.20 13:03:00 - [72] Just reading through this, its just a shooting barrel in my opinion. Broadcasting a show is not simply about knowledge of the subject on behalf of the hosts. As with all performance shows the hosts main focus should be in keeping the flow, keep the subject matter on track and doing all this with a friendly and appealing manner. I see lots of diggs about Spiral and his lack of knowledge regarding pvp. The thing most people are not taking into account before letting loose with they're opinion is that his skills and qualities as a presenter first and foremost are what has him in that position in the first place, and trust me when i say he manages that in ways far and above most other people could. So we move onto the Experts and Commentators. These people need to operate a very different structure on the show. In my opinion and experience, a commentator will stand out without question as an entertainer able to keep the audience informed in an interesting and informative way while providing his/her own individual qualities to make them stand out. We can see this with a select few of the commentators already. These people do not need to be experts on the subject matter but more so have a balanced mix between knowledge of the subject matter and equally as important, an ability to entertain. To me this makes criticizing a commentator a very difficult feet, if they have already mastered those two arts, and yes, entertaining IS an art... As for the experts, its hard to judge what position they should take up on a show as specific as this. Honestly, i see them as a tool operated by the host. They are there to provide the judging opinions on the matches, tactics and players, with the host being the ones to keep them on track and not let them spiral off(no pun intended). This may sound mechanical but in its best instances its a very good basic description. The community do have a valid right to expect the Experts to provide a level of knowledge far and above the average player, but i think its being compared far to much to a common sporting event, or tv show. Its that comparison, as far as i see it, thats the main wedge between what the community and the hosts. In most other tournament events in real life the Players are all connected to the main show, they're appearance, opinion and knowledge. With eve we have the problem of the players not being able to fill in that need. Therefore the Experts are left to pick up the flak for that and try to provide the missing component that the actual players would provide. Because of this they have to inject alot of humour and drop down from what would otherwise be a strict knowledge based position and act as a mix between a semi-host/expert/player. Without the nature of the show changing i see this always being the case, something that everyone needs to take into account. I see the hosts already having a grasp and understanding of this, then from there managing it as they can. While the select few vocal members of the forums may not yet understand. This show is individual and needs to operate in a different way, for its own unique reasons. If everyone just took it for what it is in its given situation there would be alot more 'love'! The main thing to remember is not to go after individual members of the show directly regardless of your opinion toward them, they are doing a job and providing a service..... for you! ------------------------------------------ - To Jumanji, or not to Jumanji...... -
Stella Sinn The Scope	Posted - 2008.01.20 14:02:00 - [73] Are we forgetting that SJ/Xylinia stole 'EVETV Concept' off Urban Mongrel(spelling?).. :) ---- Durka Durka!
Jinx Denton Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.01.20 17:36:00 - [74] I'm just a bit sad Stavros couldn't use a megaphone in the studio to simulate his capslock consistency... Fanfest guide
Stavros Amarr Spartan Industries Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.20 21:37:00 - [75] Originally by: Jinx Denton I'm just a bit sad Stavros couldn't use a megaphone in the studio to simulate his capslock consistency... QFT BYTHEWAYTYPINGWITHOUTSPACESISTHENEWCAPSLOCK -- OH GOD ENTITY KILLED MA SIGNATURES
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.01.20 21:45:00 - [76] Originally by: Jinx Denton I'm just a bit sad Stavros couldn't use a megaphone in the studio to simulate his capslock consistency... He needs the Rapmaster 2000 as used by Homer Simpson, TBH. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2008.01.21 00:09:00 - [77] Originally by: Stavros Originally by: Jinx Denton I'm just a bit sad Stavros couldn't use a megaphone in the studio to simulate his capslock consistency... QFT BYTHEWAYTYPINGWITHOUTSPACESISTHENEWCAPSLOCK WhenIWereALadWeDidItThisWay. ---- Anything less is wasted effort
Silencioso Muerte 1st Fleet MERC Division	Posted - 2008.01.22 16:45:00 - [78] eve isnt supposed to be a lesson or an info beacon in game form, 99.9% of the palyer are here to have a laugh, and thats what spiral does best. So quit your *****in' SJ is a legend, and without him, evetv would suckass ----------------------
Weeka Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2008.01.22 22:04:00 - [79] Originally by: Silencioso Muerte eve isnt supposed to be a lesson or an info beacon in game form, 99.9% of the palyer are here to have a laugh, and thats what spiral does best. So quit your *****in' SJ is a legend, and without him, evetv would suckass This. The experts we all got to know we do know for giving a hell of a good show, and as such they founded the history of eve tournaments as we know them. Granted, one is ginger and on at least one occasion did a respectable charly brown impression, but thats what I'm out to see.
niroku Gallente Crimson Council	Posted - 2008.01.25 05:27:00 - [80] Originally by: Stella Sinn Are we forgetting that SJ/Xylinia stole 'EVETV Concept' off Urban Mongrel(spelling?).. :) sure about that ?



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