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Captain Yuk
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.02.10 21:03:00 -
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I don't want to come off on the wrong foot here, the title was more of an attention getter, but I have some nagging questions that I know you guys can help me with.
My main, my only active character, is at a crossroads. I am enjoying myself in a minmatar FW corp, but my funds are rail thin. FW missions have been hit and miss for me, more so missing than hitting, and I usually find myself dropping out of my corp for a week at a time to try and make some isk running regular missions (often having to fix my sec status as I go). This approach; however, is making my employment history look terrible and I am honestly not at all enthusiastic about continuing this.
I looked into other ways of making isk without going to highsec, such that I could ignore my sec status and faction standings, but outside of lowsec or nullsec incursions (which appear to be run only be a few nullsec alliances) I do not know how this is possible. if someone could help enlighten me as to how people live out their pvp lives under such conditions without being broke all the time, I would love to hear of it.
Essentially I am looking for some way around all this without firing up another account and sending CCP more of my money. They made a good game that I enjoy, but having a second active account seems too much. I am not a hardcore player who racks up hours and hours per day in-game, just a guy who spends 3-4 nights a week flying t1 frigates and battlecruisers with mates.
Thanks in advance |
Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2012.02.10 21:09:00 -
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I too, await an answer.
So far, as a 2 month old player, I'm getting by on a single plex that I have bought then traded for isk. Hopefully, I won't have to do this much longer On holiday. -áIn some other world. Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours. To a bright centre of absolute convicton. -áWhere the dripping patchouli was more than scent. -á It was a sun |
Ottersmacker
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2012.02.10 21:28:00 -
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fw missions are actually a hilariouly broken free isk generation machine that haven't been fixed and were made even more lucrative with the removal of agent quality, they have been exploited like hell and no consequences means it's probably intended. so look into them a bit more if you want to stay in lowsec <3 The Order of the Falcon or Hin +¡slenska f+ílkaor+¦a is a national Order of Iceland |
Kraven Stark
Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.10 21:32:00 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=30338&find=unread
Exploration and site running in the less well traveled areas of space can net some good isk. Your major concern will be getting your items back into high-sec, but if you have a solid number of unaligned safes to and from, it's not terribly difficult with a fast aligning ship.
Your best bet is to do this with a partner to helps your odds of survival. |
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
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Posted - 2012.02.10 22:00:00 -
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The conventional way would be to find one of the many ways of making ISK, preferably one that you enjoy, and do that.
Otherwise, if you fly primarily t1/meta-fit t1 frigs/cruisers/dessies, you're not likely to lose anything important, and might even make a profit via loot. |
Captain Yuk
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.02.10 22:03:00 -
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Kahega Amielden wrote:The conventional way would be to find one of the many ways of making ISK, preferably one that you enjoy, and do that.
Otherwise, if you fly primarily t1/meta-fit t1 frigs/cruisers/dessies, you're not likely to lose anything important, and might even make a profit via loot.
Of the many ways of making isk, how many (and could you name one of them) don't involve me going back to some empire market hub?
This is the crux of the problem and I don't see a way around it (aside from Stark's suggestion of making bookmarks and running from the cops). |
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
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Posted - 2012.02.10 22:05:00 -
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Captain Yuk wrote:Kahega Amielden wrote:The conventional way would be to find one of the many ways of making ISK, preferably one that you enjoy, and do that.
Otherwise, if you fly primarily t1/meta-fit t1 frigs/cruisers/dessies, you're not likely to lose anything important, and might even make a profit via loot. Of the many ways of making isk, how many (and could you name one of them) don't involve me going back to some empire market hub? This is the crux of the problem and I don't see a way around it.
Almost every single one, except trading and ninjasalvaging, are doable in lowsec/nullsec. Could you give an example of which methods of making ISK are -not- doable in lowsec? |
Captain Yuk
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.02.10 22:16:00 -
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Kahega Amielden wrote:Captain Yuk wrote:Kahega Amielden wrote:The conventional way would be to find one of the many ways of making ISK, preferably one that you enjoy, and do that.
Otherwise, if you fly primarily t1/meta-fit t1 frigs/cruisers/dessies, you're not likely to lose anything important, and might even make a profit via loot. Of the many ways of making isk, how many (and could you name one of them) don't involve me going back to some empire market hub? This is the crux of the problem and I don't see a way around it. Almost every single one, except trading and ninjasalvaging, are doable in lowsec/nullsec. Could you give an example of which methods of making ISK are -not- doable in lowsec?
I don't think you understand what I asked. Either that or you're just trolling.
Assuming I continued to do fw missions. Where do I sell LP store goods? At a market hub, in empire. Where would I sell anything I salvaged off a wreck I found? At a market hub, in empire. Where would I sell some faction module off a pirate rat? etc... |
Hedoran Jaynara
Cromwell Holdings
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Posted - 2012.02.10 22:20:00 -
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I follow this with interest as well. Only one active account, -9sec status on main, cruiser biggest I can and want to fly. Show us to the making isk in low sec in small ships guide. |
Momma Lovebone
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.02.10 22:49:00 -
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Hedoran Jaynara wrote:I follow this with interest as well. Only one active account, -9sec status on main, cruiser biggest I can and want to fly. Show us to the making isk in low sec in small ships guide.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Codebreaker_I
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
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Posted - 2012.02.10 23:01:00 -
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Captain Yuk wrote: I don't think you understand what I asked. Either that or you're just trolling.
Assuming I continued to do fw missions. Where do I sell LP store goods? At a market hub, in empire. Where would I sell anything I salvaged off a wreck I found? At a market hub, in empire. Where would I sell some faction module off a pirate rat? etc...
For those with super low sec status, hauling alts and corp logistics are your friends. Alternatively, if the loot is small enough, do it yourself in an interceptor with a couple of nanofibers in the low slots. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers. US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join us. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. |
Ursula LeGuinn
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Posted - 2012.02.10 23:20:00 -
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Captain Yuk wrote:Of the many ways of making isk, how many (and could you name one of them) don't involve me going back to some empire market hub?
Very few. Aside from bounties, agent rewards, insurance payouts and a few other miscellaneous sources, pure ISK is hard to come by (not that aforementioned sources are insignificant, mind you). If you have items to sell and wish to do so reasonably quickly for a fair price, you'll need to get to a hub some way.
There are three ways to accomplish this: contracts (too expensive if you're already broke), T1 haulers (sitting ducks without good scouting/fighter support), and Blockade Runners. Well, there are also Jump Freighters, but if you could afford those, we wouldn't be here. A T1 hauler on a second character (not a second account, a second character) might be an option, but you'll need help in order to take them safely into highsec.
If you can acquire low-volume items from your LP store (implants? blueprints? I know nothing of FW), then your alt could transport the goods to highsec in a fast frigate instead.
In my opinion, though, what you primarily lack is a proper support system. It seems you are a relatively new PvP player with low sec status who only wants to run one account, doesn't want to buy PLEX to trade for ISK, and doesn't belong to a corp with the resources to help you get on your feet.
That's... a very tough spot to be in. I can't see any truly easy solution to it. It's going to be difficult for a while. "The EVE forums are intended to provide a warm, friendly atmosphere for the EVE community."-áGÇö-áEVElopedia |
Captain Yuk
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.02.10 23:24:00 -
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Thanks for the honest evaluation. |
J'Poll
Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2012.02.11 00:20:00 -
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Best suggestion, keep going but you also have 2 unused character slots on your account, why not train one of them to a basic industrial ship or maybe even a T2 version (cloaky hauler) and let him do the running while he stays in his newb-corp and doesn't have to worry about standings etc. Once he sold the stuff you just transfer the ISK back to your main guy and buy ships and get them blown up or blow other people's ships up with it. J'Poll Recruiter - Imperial Legi0n
As a finishing touch, God created the Dutch |
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
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Posted - 2012.02.11 00:27:00 -
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Quote:Assuming I continued to do fw missions. Where do I sell LP store goods? At a market hub, in empire. Where would I sell anything I salvaged off a wreck I found? At a market hub, in empire. Where would I sell some faction module off a pirate rat? etc...
It takes about an hour to train up a same-account Bestower alt.
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Plutonian
Intransigent
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Posted - 2012.02.11 10:20:00 -
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I've been where you are.
I dislike being forced to train alts. If the game is really a sandbox it should cater to the solo account player. Unfortunately that is not the case these days. But there is a better solution:
It takes far less time to train an alt which can fly every racial frigate and destroyer than to train an alt which flies a blockade runner. The alt only has to fly the ship and carry the modules and ammo in cargo... not fight in it. In a matter of three or four days you can have an alt which can deliver a single ship to you.
On her outbound route (generally via noob ship) the alt carries loot back to Empire.
It's not the best solution. The best solution is that you would not be penalized for seeking solo PvP. But it's a lot damn faster than training a blockade runner alt. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2012.02.11 13:49:00 -
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Scamming, awoxing, incursion alt etc. |
gfldex
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Posted - 2012.02.11 21:19:00 -
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Captain Yuk wrote:At a market hub, in empire. Where would I sell anything I salvaged off a wreck I found?
Did you notice the 3 character slots in the login screen? Did you notice the shiny contracts button? Do you feel a bit stupid now?
Quite frankly if your co-operation can't help you with your problems you need to head to the recruitment forum.
The game has a tutorial that gives you a mining laser and a railgun and tells you to go shoot rocks and red crosses. It teaches you nothing else. It's been that way for 8 years, so are you really surprised that there are people who aren't aware that this is a pvp game? --Jafit McJafitson |
Doctor Mabuse
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.02.11 22:24:00 -
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You chose to have a low sec status, which means you can't access hi-sec.
In Eve your actions have consequences, fix your sec status and keep it above -2 and you can sell all that nice loot, or don't, and scratch around for isk. Choice is yours |
Deen Wispa
Screaming War Eagles Incorporated
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Posted - 2012.02.12 08:54:00 -
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gfldex wrote:Captain Yuk wrote:At a market hub, in empire. Where would I sell anything I salvaged off a wreck I found? Did you notice the 3 character slots in the login screen? Did you notice the shiny contracts button? Do you feel a bit stupid now? Quite frankly if your co-operation can't help you with your problems you need to head to the recruitment forum.
Such an answer can only come from simpletons. Help the guy out rather than admonishing him.
OP- It may not necessarily be a corp issue. In my FW corp, we do try to help newbs run hisec L4s with us. It means more to them than it does to us. But as one of the directors, I'm careful to not do to much for them as I firmly believe they need to be independent and self sufficient. Darwinism.
I recommend an alt who can haul for you. And take the time to train a 3rd alt as a trader...assuming you like trading.
FW missions are lucrative but it is a delayed gratification as you have to convert the items from the LP and then sell it on the market which does take time. There are alot of faction mods already being flooded on the market which means competition.
Otherwise, I recommend keeping your sec status high enough to enter hisec and do L4s with corpmates.
Of course, you might be too new to FW and may need to stick to empire for awhile before committing to FW. I don't recommend complete noobs joining FW as the losses rack up big time and they just need to focus on making iskies
Apparently, once you create a sig. You can't completely delete it. So this is my sig...for now. |
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Tar Omrir
Cygnus Industries New Eden's Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.12 14:45:00 -
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By a cheap hauler alt Tar Omrir, Chairman, Cygnus Industries |
OfBalance
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2012.02.12 20:51:00 -
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I've always considered EVE to really be a two-account minimum game, for the most part. Granted, I only have one account right now myself, but I also have a little under 90mil sp, a plethora of experience, and I don't really play that much anymore. I spent most of my days as a newb with a lot of corpmates in nullsec, gradually adding accounts and alts as I became more independant.
Once you factor in the sheer headache and quality of life issues you will face with just one active account, you will realize the second one is worth it. I suggest training it to haul, trade, and all the other non-combat things you will not want to do on your main.
You may look at it now like a big investment, but considering the alternative is probably buying PLEX to sell on the market at some kind of regular interval, you will end up with money saved in the longterm. Ultimately, when you have a few years of SP under your characters' belts, you can think about consolidating back to a single account if your playstle allows for it. |
Plutonian
Intransigent
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Posted - 2012.02.13 09:33:00 -
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OfBalance wrote:Once you factor in the sheer headache and quality of life issues you will face with just one active account, you will realize the second one is worth it. I suggest training it to haul, trade, and all the other non-combat things you will not want to do on your main. CCP should totally put that on their new introduction website.
No... really.
Because it's true.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2012.02.13 12:11:00 -
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First, let me point you at the Making ISK guide.
Second, there is no reason you have to sell things through a hisec market hub. You can list things for sale in your Militia stations in low sec, and letting people with an eye for a bargain come to pick your stuff up. You could even make friends in the militia who turn out to be avid traders themselves. Get one of them to haul your produce to market as a courier contract or as a favour.
Certainly, you may not make as much profit as the people with trade/hauling alts, but you can also eliminate the risk of hauling valuable cargo yourself.
You don't need second or third characters on the one account. You don't need a second account. Sure, those things might help in some regard, but it is possible to make ISK using the same character that you PvP with. |
FeralShadow
Mom 'n' Pop Ammo Shoppe R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2012.02.13 21:32:00 -
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I had a very long and well-written post here but it got erased. At any case, I'm a 90mil sp pvp character with no alts and have been a pirate for a long time. Since I don't want to re-type everything I'm going to just put the short version
#1 solution - Find a corp/friends that you can depend on to haul your loot for you - this is what I relied upon 90% of the time. #2 solution - FW level 4 missions - Very Very lucrative, with some stealth bombers and a speed tank. Still has the problem of going into empire to cash out the LP - Empire solution - Flying in frigates in empire is not dangerous as long as you are quick to warp and quick to jump. Concord can't touch you unless (very rarely) you undock in a 1.0 station. Anything larger is very dangerous. You can cash out LP and sell stuff in hubs by moving it in frigates #3 solution - If you can't find a corp or insist on playing solo, you MUST get an alt. There's really no way around it. Getting an alt makes up for your lack of teammates. #4 solution - If you cannot do any of the above, you can always sell stuff in low sec or to militia members or to trade contacts so they can make a profit. It's less than optimal, but hey. #5 "solution" - Eventually you will get to the point in your pvp experience where you simply don't lose ships any more. I've gotten to this point and have gotten a lot of isk through "farming" t2 loot from enemies. It's not something you can get immediately, but above all other options this way is the best because you don't really even need to buy anything any more. You just get this "passive" income from doing what you like simply because you're good at it.
At any rate, I depended upon friends to move my stuff a lot, with me flying in empire occasionally when I didn't want to wait. I also made a ton by doing level 4 FW missions. Also, being -10 is a HUGE pain when you don't have alts. It's fun in the short term, but in the long term it gets old real quick. |
Ticket Stub
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Posted - 2012.02.14 04:49:00 -
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Just move to nullsec. Problem solved. Oh and if you are worried about making isk, train salvaging to lvl 3-4 and go scavenge wrecks. I did this when I started as my only income source and I could afford to fly frigs on my own dime indefinitely. Now that i'm in a corp which pays for most of my losses, I earn while I pvp, and unlike the above poster I am not elite or even good at it. |
Kiandoshia
Spaceship Warrior Monks
13
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Posted - 2012.02.16 22:52:00 -
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There is really no other way than to have an alt. Unless you like headaches or paying RL money to get ISK. |
FOl2TY8
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.16 23:57:00 -
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When I did Minmatar faction war I would have two bases. One in Dal or Kourm and one in Gulfonodi. I would run lvl 4 missions in Gulfonodi and PVP in low-sec. One account, no alts. I would make sure to keep my sec status above -3. This kept me in BC and down just fine. |
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