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Tasko Pal
Heron Corporation
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Posted - 2008.01.20 02:51:00 -
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I think we've all heard of this by now. Heavy interdictor cruisers with their unblockable infinite point warp scrambling and HAC-like survivaiblity. But they're also a wee bit pricy. So are there any recommendations on how to kill the menace? Is there a cheap tech 1 fit that can pop or at least scare off a HIC? The anti-HIC need not return from its mission, if there are interesting suicide setup ideas out there.
Information and disinformation welcome! Remember it's all good for the economy!
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Arvald
Caldari Devilish Intentinos
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Posted - 2008.01.20 02:53:00 -
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2 torp ravens a few neuts and alot of ammo
Originally by: Richard Phallus
go and get someone to take a golf club and take a good swing at your nuts by surprise when you walk into a dark room some time. This will prepare you for eve's pvp
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Zanon Xiu
Dogs 0f War
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Posted - 2008.01.20 02:54:00 -
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If there is a Hic there is bound to be other ships ready to pop what falls in the hic's trap
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Gamesguy
Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.01.20 02:56:00 -
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A blackbird.
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Yargo Metash
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Posted - 2008.01.20 03:07:00 -
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The Minmatar's Favorite Approach: Lots of guns.
I imagine 4 wheelchairs, two with two uzi's, one with a rifle, and the last one with a bunch of string running circles around the HIC to keep it in place while it gets pumped full of lead.
Granted, these will all probably be de-wheelchaired by the HIC's gang, but it's worth a try!
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Morn Judith
Caldari The Singularity Project Rare Faction
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Posted - 2008.01.20 03:13:00 -
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Originally by: Yargo Metash The Minmatar's Favorite Approach: Lots of guns.
I imagine 4 wheelchairs, two with two uzi's, one with a rifle, and the last one with a bunch of string running circles around the HIC to keep it in place while it gets pumped full of lead.
Granted, these will all probably be de-wheelchaired by the HIC's gang, but it's worth a try!
Don't forget the duct tape!
As for the OP, I'd say that if you put a Rook/Falcon on it and apply plenty of what ever damage you have. The key is keeping that Rook/Falcon alive, though.
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente Tuxedo.
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Posted - 2008.01.20 03:35:00 -
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Originally by: Gamesguy A blackbird.
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Zeros Alpha
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.01.20 05:02:00 -
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ECM, Sensor damps, and best of all 2-3 heavy neutralizers
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Hitme Harder
HERRO KITTY
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Posted - 2008.01.20 05:35:00 -
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Does a HIC have to lock anything in order to activate his 15km aoe module that doesn't target anything specifically?
Isn't that like jamming a bubble?
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Tasko Pal
Heron Corporation
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Posted - 2008.01.20 06:41:00 -
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Originally by: Hitme Harder Does a HIC have to lock anything in order to activate his 15km aoe module that doesn't target anything specifically?
Isn't that like jamming a bubble?
I don't know the full details but the infinipoint scramble requires that the HIC target the victim. The bubble is something like scramble strength 1 or 2 I think and only works in 0.0.
Also, I was privy to a gang trying to take down a HIC. Apparently they used a pilgrim (energy neuts bonus) probably with scrambler and webber too. But the thing popped before the HIC did.
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Ogdru Jahad
Amarr Utopian Research I.E.L. Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2008.01.20 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: Tasko Pal
Originally by: Hitme Harder Does a HIC have to lock anything in order to activate his 15km aoe module that doesn't target anything specifically?
Isn't that like jamming a bubble?
I don't know the full details but the infinipoint scramble requires that the HIC target the victim. The bubble is something like scramble strength 1 or 2 I think and only works in 0.0.
Also, I was privy to a gang trying to take down a HIC. Apparently they used a pilgrim (energy neuts bonus) probably with scrambler and webber too. But the thing popped before the HIC did.
these things move either slow as or dont at all when at work. why web something that aint gonna move? -
At last the Gallente can finally lay claim to saying... "my DICtor" is bigger than yours.
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Batelle
HOMELESS. Band of Bums
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Posted - 2008.01.20 11:22:00 -
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Bubbles from Heavy interdictors cannot be negated by stabs, they're just like mobile bubbles and warp disruption probes. The heavy interdictor can load a script which turns the bubble into a regular targeted warp scrambler, again with infinite scramble str and much longer range.
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Talasan
Internet Dads
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Posted - 2008.01.20 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: Batelle Bubbles from Heavy interdictors cannot be negated by stabs, they're just like mobile bubbles and warp disruption probes. The heavy interdictor can load a script which turns the bubble into a regular targeted warp scrambler, again with infinite scramble str and much longer range.
wrong, the bubble is 1 point, script is infinite
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Grunanca
BLACK-FLAG
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Posted - 2008.01.20 11:44:00 -
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Edited by: Grunanca on 20/01/2008 11:45:13
Originally by: Tasko Pal I think we've all heard of this by now. Heavy interdictor cruisers with their unblockable infinite point warp scrambling and HAC-like survivaiblity. But they're also a wee bit pricy. So are there any recommendations on how to kill the menace? Is there a cheap tech 1 fit that can pop or at least scare off a HIC? The anti-HIC need not return from its mission, if there are interesting suicide setup ideas out there.
Information and disinformation welcome! Remember it's all good for the economy!
5 Vespa ECm drones and he will be jammed more of the time than he will be able to lock. (As you can see in my current sig I have tried this tactic)
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Dungheap
Caldari Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.01.20 14:38:00 -
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could anyone provide a link as to how the warp disrupt module works, plz.
the bubble is aoe weapon, and supposed to work like a regular dictor bubble. i don't see how it could have ended up with only -1 strength. stabbed ships would sail right through..
as for the point script, i really doubt the strength is infinite. i think bad things would happen if you tried to make our beloved server figure 'infinite' into the game.
likely, there's a placeholder number, same as drone bay size on ships without a bay. eft lists both warp strengths for the module as -100. this could be right if the author used some kind of information dump when putting eft together.
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Thercon Jair
Minmatar InQuest Ascension
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Posted - 2008.01.20 15:03:00 -
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Edited by: Thercon Jair on 20/01/2008 15:05:00 Bubbles and warp disrupt probes have a strenght of 1000 points. I assume it's the same with the HIC.
The bad thing about the HIC is, it was supposed to keep titans and motherships from escaping, also effectively providing means to kill those piraty motherhips in lowsec. Now it turns out CCP implemented something to counter those gank MS, but it turns out to be something worse. WCS are now completely useless. A HIC is cruisersized and therefore can easily gain enough sensor resolution to scramble any Industrial, no matter what fitting they have. Oh, blockade runners have +2 warp core strenght? Doesn't matter, the HIC turns it into an expensive scrapheap...
I don't think CCP actually intended HICs to work like that. Even a Phobos, which is said to be the worst tanker of them all easily tanks gatesentries and still deals enough damage to kill anything short of a HAC or bigger.
Edit: so far I've only heard that rigging your hauler with polycarbons and nanofibers might get you quick enough into warp.
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Naomi Wildfire
Amarr Stardust Heavy Industries Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2008.01.20 16:47:00 -
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Every half intelligent can get out of its bubble pretty soon since it gets hard penalities for mwds if the disrupt module is avtivated. A Blockade Runner shouldnt really have a problem to get out except the HIC isnt alone or the pilot is really bad.
Answer to the OP you can get armor tanking ships by their cap and many time i think ^^ But i'm pretty sure you cant beat a passive tanked onyx with a single ship, or just extremely difficult.
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Tasko Pal
Heron Corporation
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Posted - 2008.01.20 20:10:00 -
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Thanks a lot for the discussion. Lot of good ideas here. Since I fly drone ships regularly, Grunanca's advice on ECM drones seems particularly relevant to me. Maybe a battlecruiser with ECM drones could do the trick.
Also given that the caldari ECM ships seem particularly good for taking on HICs, would it be possible to use a scorpion bs (with the same ECM bonuses)? The huge problem I see is that the scorpion has extremely slow (even for bs) lock times due to its scan resolution of 75 and of course slow warp times. Can the ship be made a usable HIC ganker, or is it just too slow? Hmmm, looks way too slow. My domi has ridiculous lock times and it's scan resolution is 90, a full 20% higher. Also, the two bs have the same inertia modifier with the scorpion being heavier. If it can't beat a domi, I don't see the ship helping out unless someone locks the HIC with something else first. Am I right here?
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Kessiaan
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Posted - 2008.01.20 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Thercon Jair I don't think CCP actually intended HICs to work like that. Even a Phobos, which is said to be the worst tanker of them all easily tanks gatesentries and still deals enough damage to kill anything short of a HAC or bigger.
I'll have to disagree here, as I recall lots of really long threads from two months before Trinity which basically amounted to, "HICs will end up being the everyday gatecamp tackle ships". There was lots of discussion and flaming and when all was said and done it went in as-is.
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Kulmid
New Justice Minuit.
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Posted - 2008.01.20 21:44:00 -
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Originally by: Thercon Jair
Bubbles and warp disrupt probes have a strenght of 1000 points. I assume it's the same with the HIC.
I think its 100, not 1000, either way, it stops anything
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Grimpak
Gallente Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2008.01.20 22:16:00 -
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Edited by: Grimpak on 20/01/2008 22:15:54
Originally by: Talasan
Originally by: Batelle Bubbles from Heavy interdictors cannot be negated by stabs, they're just like mobile bubbles and warp disruption probes. The heavy interdictor can load a script which turns the bubble into a regular targeted warp scrambler, again with infinite scramble str and much longer range.
wrong, the bubble is 1 point, script is infinite
have to ask for proof here, because the WFDG is supposed to have infini-points (100 points) in both field and focussed. ---
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Anvalor
Gallente Germania Inc. D0GMA
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Posted - 2008.01.20 22:18:00 -
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Originally by: Talasan
Originally by: Batelle Bubbles from Heavy interdictors cannot be negated by stabs, they're just like mobile bubbles and warp disruption probes. The heavy interdictor can load a script which turns the bubble into a regular targeted warp scrambler, again with infinite scramble str and much longer range.
wrong, the bubble is 1 point, script is infinite
You are wrong. I just tested that 2 mins ago in 0.0 . My brother fitted one WCS and could not warp same with 2 stabs. I find it funny how people do not fly ships but think they know all about them.
There is also a difference in how the bubbles work between Interdictors and Heavy Interdictors .When someone jumps into system and and starts the warp you can get in range with the Interdictor , drop a bubble and he can not warp anymore. When you try the same with a Heavy Interdictor it will not work. With a Heavy Dictor you have to activate the bubble before the targets starts the warp. That does ofc only count when you use no script for the Warp Disruption Field Generator.
At least you can pull people out of warp with the Bubble from a Heavy Dictor like with the normal Inerdictor bubble.
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Atsuko Ratu
Caldari VSP Corp.
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Posted - 2008.01.20 22:25:00 -
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Because a remote sensorboosted drake couldn't already catch BRs
They turned a less common tactic to a more common one. Luckily MWD + cloak is still undefeatable without insanely bad luck.
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Grimpak
Gallente Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2008.01.20 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Anvalor At least you can pull people out of warp with the Bubble from a Heavy Dictor like with the normal Inerdictor bubble.
and that's enough.
warp HIC at 100km from gate direction, and activate bubble and sit tight, together with your gang and suchwhat. comedy bonus: warp at 160km.
watch them warping in at 115km to be greeted with fire and brimstone by your gangmates ---
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Bartom Dekkar
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.01.20 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: Naomi Wildfire
Answer to the OP you can get armor tanking ships by their cap and many time i think ^^ But i'm pretty sure you cant beat a passive tanked onyx with a single ship, or just extremely difficult.
I vote for extremely difficult. My passive tanked Onyx was able to tank a corp mate's high damage blaster Megathron for 6 minutes before the shields went out. 2 of them, or 3 torp ravens with target painters would have finished me off much faster. And of course, I couldn't kill any of them with my damage output.
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Wofen Kin
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Posted - 2008.01.20 23:17:00 -
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Unless you out number a Hactor 5 to 1, I would not bother to shoot it. 2-3 Heavy nos and the Hactors out of cap, its bubble will Deactivate (needs a large chunk of cap), and then you can warp.
After flying my Sword for a few weeks, the only thing that really disables them is Nos/Nuets, and most Hactors will have really bad regen from all the SPR's they normally fit, so once there cap is gone, they are basicly slow, low DPS HACs.
To Kill a Hactor.... I dont think it is possbile 1v1. I have had carriers trying to brake my tank. Maybe a Dread in siege mod could (Little transversal and huge sig), but short of that, dont try without a nice support fleet.
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TimMc
Gallente Vidar Fierd Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2008.01.20 23:25:00 -
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A couple heavy Neuts, or a Curse/Pilgrim. ECM would work well aswell.
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thisismyalt
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Posted - 2008.01.20 23:32:00 -
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Everybody says the Eos sucks now. Idk . Eos has Drones, unused high slots for neuts, and a tank thats probably as good or better than any HIC. Might be worth a try, might not break its tank, but can neut his bubble down easy enough and live long enough to do it.
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Liet Traep
Minmatar D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.01.20 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak Edited by: Grimpak on 20/01/2008 22:15:54
Originally by: Talasan
Originally by: Batelle Bubbles from Heavy interdictors cannot be negated by stabs, they're just like mobile bubbles and warp disruption probes. The heavy interdictor can load a script which turns the bubble into a regular targeted warp scrambler, again with infinite scramble str and much longer range.
wrong, the bubble is 1 point, script is infinite
have to ask for proof here, because the WFDG is supposed to have infini-points (100 points) in both field and focussed.
I've tested it. When I had the bubble launched my buddy could not warp out with 2 stabs on. It works just like a mobile bubble. So if you are in a blockade runner you are now screwed.
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