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Crucitus
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.11 14:37:00 -
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So for the last couple months I've been harvesting gas on my main. It's pretty profitable, and it requires next to no effort or attention. Hell I'm doing it right now while I type this. One sec, need to tab back in to shift my load around.
Cool, now. We have currently six dedicated ORE belt mining ships, T1 and T2. We have two dedicated mining caps (Actually, I don't think the Orca counts as a cap, but close enough). We have a slew of frigates and cruisers that get bonuses to mining. We even have one exhumer that has bonuses for ice mining.
And, recently, you released the Noctis for salvaging.
You keep releasing great ships for things that people find tedious and time consuming, but you leave us gas harvesters in the clouds (Heh).
My proposal, and bear with me here because it's late, is to give either some of the existing ships (Like, say the old tier one battlecruisers, the Ferox for instance) some passive gas harvesting bonuses. Maybe 20% yield, 50% range, -30% cycle.
OR, do like you did with the Noctis, and make a brand new ship from the ground up dedicated solely for the purpose of gas harvesting.
I'm just playing around here with stats, but you can adjust them for balance's sake.
ORE Industrial Bonus: 15% increase in harvester yield per level 10% increase in harvester range per level 15% decrease in harvester cycle length every other level (15%/30%/45% at 1/3/5, respectively) Ability to fit +1 harvester every other level, (1/3/5), to a maximum of 8 with Gas Cloud Harvesting at 5 Of course, it'd need a large cargohold, or a dedicated gas cargohold that has bonuses similar to the Primae (For PI) or Rorqual (For ore/compressed ore).
I don't expect anyone important to respond to this, it's tired and I'm feeling creative, but I hope somewhere a fellow cloud chaser will see this and bump it so CCP sees it and gives it some thought.
Thanks CCP, I love this game and with some improvements, it'd be even better (For me at least)
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Nalha Saldana
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.11 15:10:00 -
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+1 for a new gas harvesting ship, even one based on the same hull as noctis is fine. |
infra52x
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.11 19:03:00 -
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This is why we have rigs,modules,implants in the game.
Hell, while were at it , lets go ahead and make a hacking ship, or dedicated science vessel that can explore strange new worlds, seek out......... |
Naveah Fade
White Glint Productions
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Posted - 2012.02.11 19:26:00 -
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Not to knit pick, but the Noctis isn't a new ship made from the ground up, its based on the Primae hull.
Even so, I support the idea of a dedicated gas cloud ship. |
Revman Zim
Babylon Holdings United Interstellar Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.11 19:35:00 -
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I kind of agree with infra52x on this one. Gas Cloud Harvesting is a sub specialty of mining, does it really need a dedicated ship? I did it in WH with an unrigged Omen. Harvesters in high, cargo expanders in low. Very cheap and can be brought in and out packaged.
If we have specific ships for EVERY job in EVE it takes out some of the ingenuity of the game. I doubt there is much variation on how a Noctis is fitted through out the Universe. |
Crucitus
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.11 20:41:00 -
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infra52x wrote:This is why we have rigs,modules,implants in the game.
Hell, while were at it , lets go ahead and make a hacking ship, or dedicated science vessel that can explore strange new worlds, seek out.........
There are no rigs, modules or implants in the game that benefit Gas Cloud Mining, either. |
Marsan
Production N Destruction INC.
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Posted - 2012.02.11 21:54:00 -
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Honestly as I gas mine in wspace I tend to use a BS or BC for this. |
infra52x
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.11 22:15:00 -
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Crucitus wrote:infra52x wrote:This is why we have rigs,modules,implants in the game.
Hell, while were at it , lets go ahead and make a hacking ship, or dedicated science vessel that can explore strange new worlds, seek out......... There are no rigs, modules or implants in the game that benefit Gas Cloud Mining, either.
I was just making a point of how we need to preserve the sandbox aspect of the game.. By the way Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization--- will help in gas mining. |
seany1212
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
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Posted - 2012.02.11 23:11:00 -
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Crucitus wrote:infra52x wrote:This is why we have rigs,modules,implants in the game.
Hell, while were at it , lets go ahead and make a hacking ship, or dedicated science vessel that can explore strange new worlds, seek out......... There are no rigs, modules or implants in the game that benefit Gas Cloud Mining, either.
LOL don't suggest a gas mining vessel when you apparently no nothing about gas mining |
Reppyk
The Black Shell
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Posted - 2012.02.11 23:53:00 -
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Crucitus wrote:There are no rigs, modules or implants in the game that benefit Gas Cloud Mining, either. You should harvest it and not smoke it.
Thanks. |
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Crucitus
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.12 00:38:00 -
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infra52x wrote:Crucitus wrote:infra52x wrote:This is why we have rigs,modules,implants in the game.
Hell, while were at it , lets go ahead and make a hacking ship, or dedicated science vessel that can explore strange new worlds, seek out......... There are no rigs, modules or implants in the game that benefit Gas Cloud Mining, either. I was just making a point of how we need to preserve the sandbox aspect of the game.. By the way Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization--- will help in gas mining as will the alchemist implant set.
Oh, I didn't know about the alchemist implants. Those are actually pretty nice, the 5% reduction to cycle time especially, however that's only two seconds shaved off the cycle time of T2 Harvesters.
The Mining Foreman Link you mentioned is pretty nice too, but good luck fitting that on a harvester-fit Ferox. or even any battleship. Not everyone harvests with an Orca or Rorqual in fleet, you know?
Sure, go ahead and retool the Noctis, or build a third variant of the Primae/Noctis hull that is specialized in gas harvesting.
To the people who are trolling, I really don't know why you guys are trolling me, sure I don't know everything there is to know about the game, but that doesn't give you a free pass to be d-bags about it. Or maybe it does, there must be some official edict somewhere on the Internet.
I'll check /v/.
So CCP, any chance you could take a look-see at this and tell me what you think?
Thanks.
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Kiroma Halandri
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Posted - 2012.02.12 05:16:00 -
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Now that you mention it, gas mining is pretty slow. Long-ish cycle times, short range, low yield, etc. And the fact there isn't a strip miner for gas doesn't help. Winmatar always wins |
Crucitus
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.12 05:20:00 -
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Kiroma Halandri wrote:Now that you mention it, gas mining is pretty slow. Long-ish cycle times, short range, low yield, etc. And the fact there isn't a strip miner for gas doesn't help.
One can argue the T2 harvester is sort of that, since it's got almost literally twice the efficiency. But yeah I know what you mean.
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Kiroma Halandri
10
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Posted - 2012.02.12 05:41:00 -
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Crucitus wrote:Kiroma Halandri wrote:Now that you mention it, gas mining is pretty slow. Long-ish cycle times, short range, low yield, etc. And the fact there isn't a strip miner for gas doesn't help. One can argue the T2 harvester is sort of that, since it's got almost literally twice the efficiency. But yeah I know what you mean.
The harvesters still require turret hardpoints. This makes them unusable on Mining Barges. Winmatar always wins |
Crucitus
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.12 12:22:00 -
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True. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2012.02.12 19:55:00 -
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The potential applications for an ORE industrial ship that has turret hardpoints are limitless. |
Reppyk
The Black Shell
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Posted - 2012.02.12 20:09:00 -
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Crucitus wrote:The Mining Foreman Link you mentioned is pretty nice too, but good luck fitting that on a harvester-fit Ferox. or even any battleship. Not everyone harvests with an Orca or Rorqual in fleet, you know? [Ferox, learn-to-use-eft] Co-Processor II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II
Large Shield Extender II Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II 'Dactyl' Type-E Asteroid Analyzer
Gas Cloud Harvester II Gas Cloud Harvester II Gas Cloud Harvester II Gas Cloud Harvester II Gas Cloud Harvester II Gas Cloud Harvester II Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization II
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Hornet EC-300 x5
And that's without implant. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
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Posted - 2012.02.12 20:18:00 -
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Reppyk wrote:Crucitus wrote:The Mining Foreman Link you mentioned is pretty nice too, but good luck fitting that on a harvester-fit Ferox. or even any battleship. Not everyone harvests with an Orca or Rorqual in fleet, you know? [Ferox, learn-to-use-eft] Co-Processor II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Large Shield Extender II Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II 'Dactyl' Type-E Asteroid Analyzer Gas Cloud Harvester II Gas Cloud Harvester II Gas Cloud Harvester II Gas Cloud Harvester II Gas Cloud Harvester II Gas Cloud Harvester II Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization II Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Hornet EC-300 x5 And that's without implant.
don't forget to bring a buddy along so you can actually use the link
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Kiroma Halandri
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Posted - 2012.02.12 20:31:00 -
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How about we just change the Noctis to get bonuses for archaeology, hacking, and gas harvesting in addition to salvaging. Sure, it might become overpowered, prices might soar, but it would eliminate the need for adding yet more ships to the game. Personally, I think the game is starting to have too many ships, but that is just personal opinion.
Also, it would need a way to fit Gas Harvesters without needing Turret Hardpoints. For example:
-1 Turret Hardpoint Requirement for Gas Harvesters (or something like that).
TL:DR I just don't see the point in making a seperate ship for each mini-profession. Winmatar always wins |
Amaroq Dricaldari
Malicious Mission Murderers
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Posted - 2012.02.12 20:37:00 -
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Reppyk wrote:Crucitus wrote:The Mining Foreman Link you mentioned is pretty nice too, but good luck fitting that on a harvester-fit Ferox. or even any battleship. Not everyone harvests with an Orca or Rorqual in fleet, you know? [Ferox, learn-to-use-eft] Co-Processor II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Large Shield Extender II Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II 'Dactyl' Type-E Asteroid Analyzer Gas Cloud Harvester II Gas Cloud Harvester II Gas Cloud Harvester II Gas Cloud Harvester II Gas Cloud Harvester II Gas Cloud Harvester II Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization II Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Hornet EC-300 x5 And that's without implant. You can only use up to 5 Gas Harvesters at a time due to skill limitations. Also, it is better to use 5 light drones instead of 1 heavy drone. This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine. |
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Nalha Saldana
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.13 10:37:00 -
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This is what is considered the optimal gas harvester
[Moa, gas miner] Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot]
Gas Cloud Harvester II Gas Cloud Harvester II Gas Cloud Harvester II Gas Cloud Harvester II Gas Cloud Harvester II Prototype Cloaking Device I
Hornet EC-300 x3
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Twisted Trucker
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.13 11:55:00 -
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Kiroma Halandri wrote:How about we just change the Noctis to get bonuses for archaeology, hacking, and gas harvesting in addition to salvaging. Sure, it might become overpowered, prices might soar, but it would eliminate the need for adding yet more ships to the game. Personally, I think the game is starting to have too many ships, but that is just personal opinion.
Also, it would need a way to fit Gas Harvesters without needing Turret Hardpoints. For example:
-1 Turret Hardpoint Requirement for Gas Harvesters (or something like that).
TL:DR I just don't see the point in making a seperate ship for each mini-profession.
Well, there is the Procurer that is bonused specifically for Mercoxit mining, and THAT is quite a dedicated "mini-profession".
But anyways, yeah, give the Noctis bonuses for hacking and archaeology since salvaging is also part of "exploration" sites. But NO, not mining too (of any flavor), give THAT to the Primae, since it is supposed to be a "resource harvester" for PI (although you're not actually doin the harvesting part with it).
So go ahead and get a lil more milage out of a "relatively useless" hull (since most use T1 industrials for doin PI anyways, or blockade runners in low-sec) and let the Primae actually be used for "resource harvesting" and give it "some" bonuses in gas mining. IDC what bonuses you give it, just give it SOMETHING to make the ship more usefull, so that it will actually get used signifficantly!
And before you ask, no, I don't have a Primae BPO....
Ya know, I actually did see someone flyin a Primae in my noob system the other day, and he was actually doin PI with it, cause he thought that ship was the only ship for just doin PI (which it is for that) and bought it for that. But I didn't have the heart to tell him he could actully be doin PI better with just his hauler.... |
Waylan Yutani
The Ghost Division
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Posted - 2012.02.14 18:32:00 -
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If you need to operate in hostile waters. Its not unprobable (i think) but somewhat harder to probe down than your regular cruiser. If you use the talon implant set, people will need to probe your site down instead of your cruiser :-)
[Moa, gas] Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II
ECCM - Gravimetric II ECCM - Gravimetric II ECCM - Gravimetric II ECCM - Gravimetric II
Gas Cloud Harvester II Gas Cloud Harvester II Gas Cloud Harvester II Gas Cloud Harvester II Gas Cloud Harvester II [empty high slot]
Medium Cargohold Optimization I Medium Cargohold Optimization I Medium Cargohold Optimization I
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Crucitus
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.15 00:49:00 -
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Guys, while I appreciate the suggestions for fits and whatnot, this isn't a swap-meet for harvesting fittings.
Seriously, who do I have to give an under-the-table handy to to get CCP's attention? |
seany1212
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
82
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Posted - 2012.02.15 01:46:00 -
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Crucitus wrote:Guys, while I appreciate the suggestions for fits and whatnot, this isn't a swap-meet for harvesting fittings.
Seriously, who do I have to give an under-the-table handy to to get CCP's attention?
You have to make intelligent suggestions rather than poorly thought out ones.
If you even looked into gas harvesting you'd know that a decent skilled gang booster with a mining ganglink on a standard BC can drop cycle times on T2 harvesters from 40 seconds down to around 29.5 seconds, added in the implants and as you said your shaving another 2 seconds off, that's fast enough considering any more would start to affect the gas market. The fact you didn't even know ganglinks go hand in hand with BC's tells me there's a lot you need to learn over trying to bend CCP to your will |
Twisted Trucker
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.15 14:15:00 -
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seany1212 wrote:Crucitus wrote:Guys, while I appreciate the suggestions for fits and whatnot, this isn't a swap-meet for harvesting fittings.
Seriously, who do I have to give an under-the-table handy to to get CCP's attention? You have to make intelligent suggestions rather than poorly thought out ones. If you even looked into gas harvesting you'd know that a decent skilled gang booster with a mining ganglink on a standard BC can drop cycle times on T2 harvesters from 40 seconds down to around 29.5 seconds, added in the implants and as you said your shaving another 2 seconds off, that's fast enough considering any more would start to affect the gas market. The fact you didn't even know ganglinks go hand in hand with BC's tells me there's a lot you need to learn over trying to bend CCP to your will
The problem is, the setup you're talking about is NOT noob friendly, and requires some ADVANCED skilling (and quite a bit more isk) to even get to, whereas the Noctis/Primae are VERY noob friendly (skills wise, but maybe not isk wise, but not as pricey as your solution). |
Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2012.02.15 18:22:00 -
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This is one of the commonly proposed ideas as per the sticky at the top of the forum. Ideas & stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. -á Status: Taking a break |
naed21
The Dark Space Initiative Revival Of The Talocan Empire
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Posted - 2012.02.15 18:25:00 -
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Actually, there already is a dedicated gas harvesting.
Ever wonder why CCP gave the tengu a turret subsystem? Well there's obviously no real reason why anyone would put guns on it, so what they intended you to do is slap 5 t2 harvesters on it and then grab an interdiction nullifier and then you slap warp stabs in the lows. Aka, you can warp out of bubbles and points.
And thanks to the tengu's fitting capabilities, you can use your mid slots to put an impressive buffer tank and a micro! |
seany1212
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
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Posted - 2012.02.15 18:36:00 -
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naed21 wrote:Actually, there already is a dedicated gas harvesting.
Ever wonder why CCP gave the tengu a turret subsystem? Well there's obviously no real reason why anyone would put guns on it, so what they intended you to do is slap 5 t2 harvesters on it and then grab an interdiction nullifier and then you slap warp stabs in the lows. Aka, you can warp out of bubbles and points.
And thanks to the tengu's fitting capabilities, you can use your mid slots to put an impressive buffer tank and a micro!
THIS, gas harvesting should not be NOOB friendly, instrumental cores pull in around 500-600mill a site, solo it can take 3 or so hours, that is a balanced amount of time considering the risk of you sitting in that cloud versus reward. Considering the ships you need just to clear the sites of rats/sleepers in the first place you should not be complaining that it takes "ADVANCED SKILLING" in order to drastically reduce cycle times with the methods currently available. |
ExookiZ
The Dark Space Initiative Revival Of The Talocan Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.02.15 23:15:00 -
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You keep asking for "noob friendly" fits or methods... last i checked the gas in highsec isnt worth mining and neither WH space or nullsec is what I would consider "noob friendly". a BC is hardly difficult to skill up for, and only 1 character in the whole fleet needs to have ganglink skills to help out. Considering how much isk we can make out here in our wh with gas i am glad it isnt noob friendly, theres already enough isk faucets giving tons of noobs free isk(incursions)
The reason that there arent rigs or modules that help gas harvesting is because of the numbers. A T2 harvester pulls in 20m3, and C320 is 5m3 each. In order to increase its m3 enough to matter we would need a full 25% increase just to get 1 extra unit of gas. and C540 would need a 50% increase.. that being said the bonuses you suggested are relatively useless as only levels 4 and 5 would even amount to an extra C320 or C540.
If you really want to see some sort of change in the ease or ability to harvest gas you would need substantially larger base yields, or much larger %s, and at the end of the day i dont think we really need anything new to harvest gas, a BC works fine. |
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