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Shinjin Malvek Amarr Genesis Accord Blood and Steel	Posted - 2008.01.22 15:03:00 - [1] I started to log on this morning and stoped to read the article about pirates. I got down to the part where it started talking about ransom, this part "Ransom is also a practice that pirates engage in. In a ransom scenario, the pirate estimates the cost of the ship, the experience level of the pilot (to determine if the capsuleer may have expensive cranial implants or valuable fitted equipment), and arrives at a figure." I have to say that most pirates I've ever encountered that attempted to ransom me were either bad at math, bad at estimation or all of the above lol and thats if they even bother. I remeber the very first time someone tried to ransom me about a year ago. I had been playing for a few days and was in an Imicus with 4 mining lasers on in a .4 system snaging some of that nifty looking Jaspet when all of the sudden here comes a pirate in a Vexor (Big looking ship to my newbish self ) he scrams me and then demands, I laugh every time I think of this,10 mil ISK. I have to ask why would anyone be out in a belt in an imicus with 4 miner 1's on if they had 10 mil to spare? 5 maybe if your lucky. I know I was in a hurry to upgrade to that snappy new Catalyst so I could fit more miners to it, so I could rake in that ore just a lil faster to be able to afford a cruiser lol. Any way I said LOL go ahead and blow it up, like it was worth that much I've seen several instances where a guy would get his ship blown up and it was really easy to see that he was a new player in a cruiser or some such and wouldn't have jack on his ship yet but very possibly might have a couple mil at least in his wallet saving up for better mods or a better ship but a ransom offer is never made.. and the module drop probably wasn't worth the ammo spent. Seems to me Pirates are a lazy lot or just so hungry for a kill they don't bother trying to get the most out of their victims. Note: This is not a whine. I have few problems with pirates any more, I just thought it was kinda funny. I would be pleased if you could share your ransom stories here and if possible put down the names of any pirates that actually made a fair ransom demand and honored it. I think those pirates that do deserve some respect even if at the time it wasn't the highlight of the game for you.
Desh Craven	Posted - 2008.01.22 17:42:00 - [2] Edited by: Desh Craven on 22/01/2008 17:45:40 Edited by: Desh Craven on 22/01/2008 17:43:55 I'm a new player, but i've got my own share of "Pirates" too so far. When i started i did read the introduction about good "old fashioned" piratism - and boy was i in for a suprise. The first 4-5 encounters with so called pirates included opening fire without any communication attemp. Now one can only understand when eventually i ran into 11 ship camp at Passari - must have been about a week ago, and did i laugh my ass off when the ebil piwate announced his price to let my empty Badger II go: 20M ISK. Somehow at that point i got the image of Dr. Evil in my mind yelling "One hundred billion dollars!". After i finally got back on my chair and dried my eyes i told the guy to fire at will. Didn't bother to lecture him about ship values and "reasonable ransom", since it would have probably taken more time than i wanted to spend. I'll be amazed if i actually run into a proper pirate one day. Would like to see more of them tho. I'd rather pay small ransom than get blown to bits. But i sure as hell won't pay 20 times my ships value.
Del Narveux Dukes of Hazard	Posted - 2008.01.22 17:45:00 - [3] I would have to agree. In fact last night I was bumping around low sec with a small gang, we tangled with some -10s and came out on the losing end. They popped one of our guys, and proceeded to ransom his pod for 100mil. Now that might be understandable if hed been playing since launch, but he was only about 2 months old and it seems rather silly to assume that he would have anywhere approaching 100mil invested in his clone or implants. In all the confusion I forgot who it was, if you know who you are I say well played, but seriously WTF did you guys come up with that number? Heck Ive been here since 2004 and my best implant set is only worth like 25 million...but then again Im a total cheapskate. A couple years ago I myself was ransomed, in a maller for something like 3 million isk. As I recall I didnt pay because I was fitted really, really cheaply (do you see a trend here?) but that would qualify as a fair ransom. _________________ [IMAGE REMOVED] -- aka Cpt Bogus -- Is that my torped sig cloaking your base?
Clever Drake Minmatar Joint Operations	Posted - 2008.01.22 17:46:00 - [4] A buddy in my corp came up with a great ransom idea. He said he wanted to ransom someone by asking them a question. If they got it right, they live. But if they got it wrong, they died. I lol'd.
Tchell Dahhn Amarr Deny Reality	Posted - 2008.01.22 17:54:00 - [5] I think you may be missing some valuable points about pirates and their ransoms. Many pirates do not scan your ship before attacking, so they have no way to know you've got an "empty Badger II". Usually, they assume that if you're foolish enough to be traveling through losec with an unprotected hauler, you have some reason for being there... ...possibly, something valuable. As to the 'age' of your character - today, this makes little to no difference, as people are starting out with big ships and big bankrolls, thanks to RL ISK sellers. Then, once they get past your ship, pirates are usually concerned with scramming your pod, as this is where the real ransom can be made. Somebody with 10mil+ in implants will usually jump at the chance to keep them, rather than have to shell out every time they find themselves in a clone.
Lord Evangelian Gallente LEAP Corp	Posted - 2008.01.22 17:55:00 - [6] When and if I randsom (LEAPC are respectable players not pirates), I go by the ship, so if some one is in a incursus, I woudl say 500K lol or just pop them, if they are in a Brutix 25M ISK, if its a BS then I say 100M ISK. If they cant pay they shouldnt be in it in my eyes. PS: We only ransom war targets and pirates... --------------------
Ursula LeGuinn Versus Gloria Omnis	Posted - 2008.01.22 17:55:00 - [7] Originally by: Clever Drake A buddy in my corp came up with a great ransom idea. He said he wanted to ransom someone by asking them a question. If they got it right, they live. But if they got it wrong, they died. I lol'd. I know what you're thinkin', punk. You're thinkin': "Did he fire six shots, or only five?" Now to tell you the truth, I've forgotten myself in all this excitement. But bein' this is a 720mm artillery cannon, and it'll blow your pod to bits, you've got to ask yourself a question. What is the average airspeed of a fully-laden swallow? ________________
PhantomVyper Darkness Inc. Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.01.22 18:00:00 - [8] Edited by: PhantomVyper on 22/01/2008 18:01:40 Originally by: Desh Craven Edited by: Desh Craven on 22/01/2008 17:49:03 Edited by: Desh Craven on 22/01/2008 17:45:40 Edited by: Desh Craven on 22/01/2008 17:43:55 I'm a new player, but i've got my own share of "Pirates" too so far. When i started i did read the introduction about good "old fashioned" piratism - and boy was i in for a suprise. The first 4-5 encounters with so called pirates included opening fire without any communication attemp. Now one can only understand i was a bit excited when eventually i ran into 11 ship camp at Passari (about a week ago) and comm screen appeared, and did i laugh my ass off when the ebil piwate announced his price to let my empty Badger II go: 20M ISK. Somehow at that point i got the image of Dr. Evil in my mind yelling "One hundred billion dollars!". After i finally got back on my chair and dried my eyes i told the guy to fire at will. Didn't bother to lecture him about ship values and "reasonable ransom", since it would have probably taken more time than i wanted to spend. I'll be amazed if i actually run into a proper pirate one day. Would like to see more of them tho. I'd rather pay small ransom than get blown to bits. But i sure as hell won't pay 20 times my ships value. You do realize that the pirates in question probably had no idea that you where empty... You could be full to the brim with faction loot, in wich case the 20 mill would be a very sweet deal for you! Also, my own ransom-gone-bad story! I was flying around in my friendly low-sec neighbourhood when some guy starts talking in local that he wants a 1v1 against anyone and that any takers can go to planet X. I warp to the planet and find him there in a Brutix, wich I proceed to scramble, web and reduce to low hull. I offer him a 20 mill ransom (wich I believe is the fair ransom for a T1 BC with T2 mods), wich he accepts, so I let him go on his way. Since I have to go I dock in the station and log. A few hours later, I'm checking the alliance boards and I see that this guy managed to get killed by one of our alliance gangs. Imagine my surprise when I check the modules destroyed / dropped and find out that he had a wholle crapload of faction mods!
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.01.22 18:00:00 - [9] "Ransom is also a practice that pirates engage in. In a ransom scenario, the pirate estimates the cost of the ship, the experience level of the pilot (to determine if the capsuleer may have expensive cranial implants or valuable fitted equipment), and arrives at a figure." Pretty accurate. It's a bit of an art form getting the price tag right. General guide for pods (for me anyway): <2 weeks=Trial or new. Probably +1's. I don't usually attack these. Unless they are flying a BC or something equally amusing. >2weeks-2 months=New...possible isk alt/learning clone...+3's...add 50 mill to ship. >2 months-1 year=Alt or main. +4's or higher. add minimum 100 mill to ship. >1 year=Alt or main. May have souped up implants. Varies by age but no less than 150 mill added to ship cost. There are variations. Specialty pilots (Vagabond, CS, etc) may have billions of ISK implanted. Sky is the limit. If you don't ask...you dont' get right . Due to certain conditions ransoms may not be offered: In 0.0...forget it (boom...pod..scoop loot...run). On a gate in losec...depends on circumstances. Yelling "I'll pay" prior to decloaking is a smart move. Sentry aggro is a headache so no guarantees on a ransom offer. FC gets hinky about local spiking or possible delay tactics from victim...ship gets shot down and pod ransomed (or popped if short range shows inbounds). This is normal belt/solo. The corps that honor ransoms are pretty well known. At least listen to the offer-circumstances permitting negotiation is always possible . "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
Dromidas Shadowmoon Minmatar 54th Knights Templar Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.22 18:04:00 - [10] Lol, only time I was ever ransomed was about my 5th or 6th day playing, and I was ransomed like 3 mil or something, which I didn't have, but the hilarious part was he tried ransoming people LESS THAN TWO WEEKS OLD which of course you can't transfer isk because its a trial account. lol :) _______________________________________________ Minmatar will always go faster than you, get over it.
Lord Evangelian Gallente LEAP Corp	Posted - 2008.01.22 18:06:00 - [11] Veto are honourable....you guys are nice gentlemen :) --------------------
Dalen III Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.01.22 18:11:00 - [12] This morning I jumped 6 months old toon that was belt yarring. Killed his ship then ransomed his pod. He whined long enuff for another ship to come and try to add on the fight. I pod'd him and barelly got away. This person told me over and over how stupid I was for not ransoming his not worth crap after insurance trasher. I very politely offered a extremely cheap and fair price of 5mil for his pod. He should at the very least in low sec at 6 moths have atleast that much in implants in his pod. If you don't why even care if you get pod'd? P.S. My main is Corstaad Don't blame me, blame the main I'm supporting.
Disco Flint The Flaming Sideburn's Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2008.01.22 18:12:00 - [13] Originally by: Ursula LeGuinn Originally by: Clever Drake A buddy in my corp came up with a great ransom idea. He said he wanted to ransom someone by asking them a question. If they got it right, they live. But if they got it wrong, they died. I lol'd. I know what you're thinkin', punk. You're thinkin': "Did he fire six shots, or only five?" Now to tell you the truth, I've forgotten myself in all this excitement. But bein' this is a 720mm artillery cannon, and it'll blow your pod to bits, you've got to ask yourself a question. What is the average airspeed of a fully-laden swallow? What do you mean, an African or European swallow? And it's a hilariously great idea.
Desh Craven	Posted - 2008.01.22 18:14:00 - [14] Originally by: Ursula LeGuinn Originally by: Clever Drake A buddy in my corp came up with a great ransom idea. He said he wanted to ransom someone by asking them a question. If they got it right, they live. But if they got it wrong, they died. I lol'd. I know what you're thinkin', punk. You're thinkin': "Did he fire six shots, or only five?" Now to tell you the truth, I've forgotten myself in all this excitement. But bein' this is a 720mm artillery cannon, and it'll blow your pod to bits, you've got to ask yourself a question. What is the average airspeed of a fully-laden swallow? What do you mean? An African or European swallow?
Ursula LeGuinn Versus Gloria Omnis	Posted - 2008.01.22 18:15:00 - [15] Originally by: Disco Flint What do you mean, an African or European swallow? And it's a hilariously great idea. I agree, any funny or creative ransom idea is made of pure win. It's not only more fun for pirates, but more fun for the pirated as well. Having to make a banjo out of ramen noodle packages is actually memorable and a lot more entertaining than getting this convo: "kk i spar ur pod for 20mil isk pl0x". ________________
Dalen III Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.01.22 18:18:00 - [16] Its extremely funny though when I try to ransom russians. I haven't been able to get thru the langauge gap :). Don't blame me, blame the main I'm supporting.
MenanceWhite Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.22 18:22:00 - [17] Usually, it's just random people "practicing" pvp shooting random other people. I don't really think they care about a few extra mills of isk, since not everyones like branko or so - who does pirating to actually earn money. --- Originally by: Torfi There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses Originally by: Oveur
PhantomVyper Darkness Inc. Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.01.22 18:27:00 - [18] Originally by: MenanceWhite Usually, it's just random people "practicing" pvp shooting random other people. I don't really think they care about a few extra mills of isk, since not everyones like branko or so - who does pirating to actually earn money. Its not just that. Most ppl won't accept the ransom anyway, even if it is a fair one, and just start smacking you the minute you open the convo! Also, every extra second that you spend in that belt ransoming someone is another chance for help / competition to arrive, and sudenly you just became the prey instead of the predator! So most times, its not worth the risk / bother to try and ransom someone, you might as well just kill them, loot the wreck and run away.
Dalen III Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.01.22 18:30:00 - [19] Also as a pirate I understand the value of ransom because when the day comes that I hit a lag spike, I want ransom not just a random podding. Don't blame me, blame the main I'm supporting.
Thuul'Khalat Gallente Phoenix Wing	Posted - 2008.01.22 18:55:00 - [20] All too noobish... Now this is a proper ransom ---
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.01.22 19:07:00 - [21] Originally by: Clever Drake A buddy in my corp came up with a great ransom idea. He said he wanted to ransom someone by asking them a question. If they got it right, they live. But if they got it wrong, they died. I lol'd. Oh, I am so doing this! "He who approaches the gate of death must answer me these questions 3" () () (â;..;)â (")(")
Delichon Caldari The First Foundation Stella Polar	Posted - 2008.01.22 19:26:00 - [22] Originally by: Dalen III Its extremely funny though when I try to ransom russians. I haven't been able to get thru the langauge gap :). Use the following line: "Vash korabl zaskramblen, vasha sudba reshena. Perechislite na moy shet {XXX amount of isk} ili vi budete unichtogeni." I can give you a short list of possible responces, too bad the translations will probably fail to pass the profanity filter ------------------------------------------ All nerfs are meant to hurt you personally. Next time they are going to nerf you directly. Eve Forums.
zoltar Caldari Perdu Opus	Posted - 2008.01.22 20:16:00 - [23] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Originally by: Clever Drake A buddy in my corp came up with a great ransom idea. He said he wanted to ransom someone by asking them a question. If they got it right, they live. But if they got it wrong, they died. I lol'd. Oh, I am so doing this! "He who approaches the gate of death must answer me these questions 3" Get the first question wrong, down goes your shields.. Second question wrong, no more armor.. Third queston wrong.... pop
OwlManAtt Gallente Yaasashii Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.22 20:41:00 - [24] Ransom gone wrong? My buddy and I are mining in .6 space. Azure plag, massive scrod. You know, cheap stuff. My friend is hauling for me in his Badger MK II, and I'm slapping the 'roids around with an Exequror (it's a sentimental thing; my fondest memories of the days of Gemini involved me mining with a bunch of friends in Exequrors). Somebody yellow warps in to the belt, followed by an Iteron. I assume the Iteron is his alt. Having recently returned to EVE after a four year break, I pull the details for the yellow bloke up: it's a Crow (this whole T2 thing is new to me, so I'm not sure what to think at this point ;)). It looks like a nasty piece of work, but I'm still flying a cruiser and he's in a dinky little crow. So, this Crow and an Iteron start orbiting us. My friend pops the can we have open (one veldspar, since it's a system near Jita and the canspam is so bad that I can't even anchor my own GSC for transferring to the hauler; come on guys, can you clean up after yourselves?) because the best thing we can do in that setup to fend off ore thieves is to bore them to death. The Crow opens a convo with me. I get kind of excited; nobody seems to open convos any more. He asks me "How much do you value your ship?". At this point, he's -just- orbiting us. No warp scrambling (it is .6, remember), nothing else nasty looking. A little crow. I shrug and tell my friend to warp off, then I warp off. Me: The ship that just safely docked? Oh, about four million - these things are pretty worthless these days. Him: :-( I'm told that warping away wasn't necessary. It's a Crow and I'm in a cruiser. CONCORD would have donked him before he even cut through my shields. Oh well. Just...poor form. The ore thieves are more fun to deal with. --- SVP OwlManAtt, Yasashii Syndicate
Latex Underwear	Posted - 2008.01.22 21:07:00 - [25] Anybody who actually pays a ransom is an idiot and deserves to be repeatedly ganked. Never give a pirate free isk. Make them work for it; make them take the sec hit; and make them groan over the destroyed mods.
Merakys Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.01.22 21:08:00 - [26] My only ransom to date (on my old toon, tho) was to M-D-K in a 0.4 system. I jumped into their gate camp as they were attacking someone else.. I had a "stupid noob" moment and warped to a planet instead of a SS because I was already aligned to it. Yes, I was stupid and warped to the planet 0, and yes, they were about 2 seconds behind me. I was in a pretty expensive Ferox missioning setup (Arby launchers, Prototype rails and everything else T2), probably worth 100m or so at the time. They ransomed it for 35m, which I paid just 'cause I didn't want to go through fitting a new ship. They were pretty decent for pirates tho, remote rep'd my hull and armor after I paid.
Ursula LeGuinn Versus Gloria Omnis	Posted - 2008.01.22 21:11:00 - [27] Originally by: Latex Underwear Anybody who actually pays a ransom is an idiot and deserves to be repeatedly ganked. I STRONGLY DISAGREE WITH YOUR HYPERBOLE, SIR OR MADAM! ********************** If I'm familiar with a pirate's reputation, or that of his or her corporation, and consider them to be honorable and sporting (within reason of course, they're pirates), I'll gladly pay a fair ransom. Not that I've ever been ransomed before. ________________
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.01.22 21:20:00 - [28] Originally by: Latex Underwear Never give a pirate free isk. Make them work for it; make them take the sec hit; and make them groan over the destroyed mods. What do I care about a sec hit? And destroyed mods? I destroy every ship anyway, only ransom pods, this is a common practice. Let's put it this way, there's some people running around with some pretty expensive implants these days, if you're a two year old char I might only ask for 50,000,000- that's nothing compared to the cost of a set of Crystals. Just because you have nothing to lose doesn't mean everyone else wants to throw away several hundred million isk in impants over a silly 50 mil ransom to a guy who, despite piracy, is a good guy, basically. /makes fart noise
Letouk Mernel	Posted - 2008.01.22 21:55:00 - [29] You're thinking that pirates should act that way, do math, figure out what ship you have, do an evaluation, then go for a price that you're likely to pay, but the thing is, they don't have time to do all that. The more you sit around, try to haggle, try to delay, the more time you have to call in friends. Or, they are under pressure to tank those sentry guns, and are taking damage while you "chat". So, basically, instead of trying to maximize their chances with YOU, they just try to maximize their average chances, so that out of 10 haulers that pass through, they can get, say, 5 to pay. Whether or not you're one of the 5 they couldn't care less, you're a statistic.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.01.22 22:58:00 - [30] Originally by: Latex Underwear Anybody who actually pays a ransom is an idiot and deserves to be repeatedly ganked. Never give a pirate free isk. Make them work for it; make them take the sec hit; and make them groan over the destroyed mods. that -10 -> -10 really hurts most 's although groaning over lost mods like one kill with a pithi a type medium shield booster and pith x type shield boost amp both going pop is no fun (although his nighthawk tanked less damage than most drakes )
duckmonster GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.22 23:56:00 - [31] Originally by: Delichon Originally by: Dalen III Its extremely funny though when I try to ransom russians. I haven't been able to get thru the langauge gap :). Use the following line: "Vash korabl zaskramblen, vasha sudba reshena. Perechislite na moy shet {XXX amount of isk} ili vi budete unichtogeni." I can give you a short list of possible responces, too bad the translations will probably fail to pass the profanity filter I wouldn't get too eager on ransoming russians. Even the Establishment lost the mighty Hera after the Russians decided things had gotten one ransom too many. These days your likely to get a Titan dropped on your head if you ransom the wrong shipment. -----------
Del Narveux Dukes of Hazard	Posted - 2008.01.23 03:59:00 - [32] Originally by: Letouk Mernel You're thinking that pirates should act that way, do math, figure out what ship you have, do an evaluation, then go for a price that you're likely to pay, but the thing is, they don't have time to do all that. The more you sit around, try to haggle, try to delay, the more time you have to call in friends. Or, they are under pressure to tank those sentry guns, and are taking damage while you "chat". This is true, but if pirates ask for goofy amounts of money they shouldnt be surprised if most of their victims refuse to pay. _________________ [IMAGE REMOVED] -- aka Cpt Bogus -- Is that my torped sig cloaking your base?
Audri Fisher Caldari VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.01.23 04:04:00 - [33] Originally by: RuleoftheBone "Ransom is also a practice that pirates engage in. In a ransom scenario, the pirate estimates the cost of the ship, the experience level of the pilot (to determine if the capsuleer may have expensive cranial implants or valuable fitted equipment), and arrives at a figure." Pretty accurate. It's a bit of an art form getting the price tag right. General guide for pods (for me anyway): <2 weeks=Trial or new. Probably +1's. I don't usually attack these. Unless they are flying a BC or something equally amusing. >2weeks-2 months=New...possible isk alt/learning clone...+3's...add 50 mill to ship. >2 months-1 year=Alt or main. +4's or higher. add minimum 100 mill to ship. >1 year=Alt or main. May have souped up implants. Varies by age but no less than 150 mill added to ship cost. There are variations. Specialty pilots (Vagabond, CS, etc) may have billions of ISK implanted. Sky is the limit. If you don't ask...you dont' get right . Due to certain conditions ransoms may not be offered: In 0.0...forget it (boom...pod..scoop loot...run). On a gate in losec...depends on circumstances. Yelling "I'll pay" prior to decloaking is a smart move. Sentry aggro is a headache so no guarantees on a ransom offer. FC gets hinky about local spiking or possible delay tactics from victim...ship gets shot down and pod ransomed (or popped if short range shows inbounds). This is normal belt/solo. The corps that honor ransoms are pretty well known. At least listen to the offer-circumstances permitting negotiation is always possible . lol, I never have any implants, except fitting ones, in a PVP character.
ZerKar Caldari Zen'Tar	Posted - 2008.01.23 05:23:00 - [34] The only encounter I witnessed personally was one of my mates losing their Drake and Pod. It was not over instantly but there was no communication whatsoever, no attempt at Ransome. I also had my friend tell me about a lovely 7 Command Ship Veto camp that his little Myrm ran into. He got about half a second to wonder if they were going to randsome him before he was podded. Needless to say, I would be reluctant to pay any Pirate any Ransome unless I knew full well that they had a strong Rep of keeping their word and the Ransome was lower than the Value of my stuff. Otherwise they can kiss my shiney metal stern because I am not going to give them anything for being a pain to me. +++++++++++++++ I saw the Sign...! O.o
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.01.23 06:23:00 - [35] Originally by: Lord Evangelian When and if I randsom (LEAPC are respectable players not pirates), I go by the ship, so if some one is in a incursus, I woudl say 500K lol or just pop them, if they are in a Brutix 25M ISK, if its a BS then I say 100M ISK. If they cant pay they shouldnt be in it in my eyes. PS: We only ransom war targets and pirates... LEAPC is hardly what I would call 'respectable' LOL. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I
Cikulisuy Amarr Havoc Inc Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.01.23 06:57:00 - [36] Originally by: Desh Craven Edited by: Desh Craven on 22/01/2008 17:49:03 Edited by: Desh Craven on 22/01/2008 17:45:40 Edited by: Desh Craven on 22/01/2008 17:43:55 I'm a new player, but i've got my own share of "Pirates" too so far. When i started i did read the introduction about good "old fashioned" piratism - and boy was i in for a suprise. The first 4-5 encounters with so called pirates included opening fire without any communication attemp. Now one can only understand i was a bit excited when eventually i ran into 11 ship camp at Passari (about a week ago) and comm screen appeared, and did i laugh my ass off when the ebil piwate announced his price to let my empty Badger II go: 20M ISK. Somehow at that point i got the image of Dr. Evil in my mind yelling "One hundred billion dollars!". After i finally got back on my chair and dried my eyes i told the guy to fire at will. Didn't bother to lecture him about ship values and "reasonable ransom", since it would have probably taken more time than i wanted to spend. I'll be amazed if i actually run into a proper pirate one day. Would like to see more of them tho. I'd rather pay small ransom than get blown to bits. But i sure as hell won't pay 20 times my ships value. hey man.. i was in the gang that tried to ransom you. we didnt have a ship scanner handy, and so we assumed you had something relatively worthwhile in your hold as typically badgers haul something or other.. knowing that if you didnt pay it probably wouldnt do much damage to your wallet, and knowing that if you did we would let you go.. we were just ransoming everything that came through the gate, and didnt really care too much at that very moment. this out of all will remain, they have lived and have tossed; so much of the game will be gain, though the gold and the dice have been lost.
Cikulisuy Amarr Havoc Inc Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.01.23 07:00:00 - [37] Edited by: Cikulisuy on 23/01/2008 07:01:07 Originally by: ZerKar The only encounter I witnessed personally was one of my mates losing their Drake and Pod. It was not over instantly but there was no communication whatsoever, no attempt at Ransome. I also had my friend tell me about a lovely 7 Command Ship Veto camp that his little Myrm ran into. He got about half a second to wonder if they were going to randsome him before he was podded. Needless to say, I would be reluctant to pay any Pirate any Ransome unless I knew full well that they had a strong Rep of keeping their word and the Ransome was lower than the Value of my stuff. Otherwise they can kiss my shiney metal stern because I am not going to give them anything for being a pain to me. it really is a pirate's initiative whether or not he wants to ransom. veto will every now and then, and my alliance (Blood Blind) typically will try at least. there are some pirates that have so much cash that they really dont need any, and are just in a competition for most kills posted on a killboard somewhere. which is fine with me. (maybe not for everyone else though?) this out of all will remain, they have lived and have tossed; so much of the game will be gain, though the gold and the dice have been lost.
Apocryphai Caldari	Posted - 2008.01.23 07:05:00 - [38] Ransoming in EVE is a joke. I've never yet seen anyone ask for a ransom that was reasonable. I've also seen people pay ransoms and then get popped anyway. I've NEVER seen a successful ransoming attempt - there's simply no trust, and understandably. ________________________________________________________________ Originally by: Victor Valka What the skull-chick said.
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.01.23 08:01:00 - [39] Originally by: Shinjin Malvek I've seen several instances where a guy would get his ship blown up and it was really easy to see that he was a new player in a cruiser or some such and wouldn't have jack on his ship yet but very possibly might have a couple mil at least in his wallet saving up for better mods or a better ship but a ransom offer is never made.. and the module drop probably wasn't worth the ammo spent. One of the btter loots from a T1 cruiser was a ratting caracal, 17-18 days old (was a bugger to catch, was warping between belts at 100km). I asked for a ransom (I was in the ransoming mood) and asked for 5M. He wanted me to first let him go and then he'll pay. So in the end I blew him up. Loot value? 14M ;) The noob had a IFFA fitted and probaly didn't realise that it was a bloody 13M module. Anyway, I have both ransomed and been ransomed a number of times. Typically I'll try to ransom pods, instead of ships (since there's always someone else in system and unless you busted a mission, you're very exposed). I think the most comical ransom was when I forced a guy who I killed in my Rifter to buy a Rifter off me ;) Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Ursula LeGuinn Versus Gloria Omnis	Posted - 2008.01.23 08:56:00 - [40] Edited by: Ursula LeGuinn on 23/01/2008 09:05:14 Originally by: RuleoftheBone >2weeks-2 months=New...possible isk alt/learning clone...+3's...add 50 mill to ship. People pay you the exact value of a full set of +3 implants for ransom? I sure wouldn't. I'd let you pod me, then go buy some more implants. Either way, I pay 50 mil, except with you podding me I deprive you of 50 mil in ransom money. Quote: >2 months-1 year=Alt or main. +4's or higher. add minimum 100 mill to ship. You could get away with that IF the guy has at least one +5. If you asked me for 100 mil and I had all +4s, I'd let you pod me, and you'd get nothing. 5 x +4s cost 75 mil max, and many people skip Charisma or some such. ******************** The rest I see no problem with. I'd have to be flying a very expensive ship indeed to accept such a ludicrous add-on ransom offer for the pod as well. My overall point is that, basically, you're full of crap. No one's going to pay you the exact same cost of their ship plus the cost of their implants, unless they're stupid, because either way they lose the same amount of money, but with the ransom you get 100% of that money. Somewhere around 50%-60% ship and rough implant price is a reasonable ransom, because they save money, and you make MORE money than killing them and collecting only cargo and modules. ________________
Kale Kold Caldari V i r u s	Posted - 2008.01.23 10:54:00 - [41] People who think ransoming for what may seem a huge sum for a new character don't understand pirating. Basically, people make new alts in noob ships to ferry important cargo (believe it or not) to avoid suspicion. This is why everyone is ransomed and sometimes you hit the jackpot. We've found major blueprints before in noob ships!
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.01.23 10:58:00 - [42] Originally by: Ursula LeGuinn Doubting Thomas Please feel free to visit www.veto-corp.com and have a browse through the ransom section (open to the public). Its only been up since October mind you . "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA

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Alia Xi Caldari	Posted - 2008.01.23 11:36:00 - [44] I ransomed a Brutix BC that was fitted out for mining. I was in a comorant.... big deal you say, but wait until you hear the funny part. I demanded 3 mil to let him go (I was young ok and it was my first one) once he was in low armour. He said "stop firing", I said "Pay up and I will, your time is short" At that, he said "I don't care, blow me up". So I did Now for the funny part. I posted the killmail and it turns out he lost 25 mil for the ship and then another 20 mil in fittings and mods. Dumbass All for the sake of a 3 mil ransom. Some people are too stupid or too stubborn to know when it's good for them!
Ka Jolo Ministry of Destruction	Posted - 2008.01.23 11:43:00 - [45] I'm a pirate, and we do in fact perform some quick calculations before setting a ransom amount, based on age of character, value of ship, etc. Well-organized gangs often have a member scanning target cargos, making their calculations even more valid. But that's only part of the story. We often don't ask for ransoms from pilots in cheap ships (e.g. T1 frigates or cruisers), as it is fun for us to kill, and the value of cheap ships is such that the ransom a player is willing to pay is probably not enough to convince us not to just take the kill and pretty up our killboard. If we ask for a ransom that is laughably high, it's probably because we really just want to kill you, but are willing to let you go if we are compensated enough. So I was debating asking for a ransom from a 2-week-old pilot in a Brutix (a BC); in the end I decided not to, figuring if he was already in a Brutix he probably didn't have any money left to pay a ransom. It ended up he was going to put a 50M bounty on me; he was a WoW player who had traded gold in Wow for ISK in EVE, and had expensive implants, and would have paid a nice ransom. (In the end he only put up a 20M bounty, since we talked nice after.) Once I killed a Rifter flown by an experienced pilot; as he was a pirate, I figured he may have some relatively inexpensive implants in, and asked and received 5M for letting his pod go. Later I read on his corp forum that he'd had some quite expensive implants in--worth over 100M. Once I was being plinked away at by an Interceptor (it can take forever for an Interceptor to kill a tank with a half-decent tank, plenty of time to think and reflect and scheme). I offered a very modest ransom that would be more than he would likely loot from my ship, and probably tbh more than it would cost me to replace it (with insurance), hoping to save the time and hassle of re-fitting. He declined, saying it was not enough to entice him away from the kill; but pirates also perk up when the victim offers a ransom that has not been asked for, as it is an indication they have something valuable they don't want to lose; the more typical response is to ask for much more. If you and the pirate are alone in a system, many pirates are happy to negotiate; but if the pirate is nervous you have friends on their way, the ransom demand is more likely take-it-or-leave-it. Your Money or Your Life! The journal of a space pirate
Ka Jolo Ministry of Destruction	Posted - 2008.01.23 11:47:00 - [46] Oh, and one more thing. Some pirates demand their victim post something on a forum somewhere as ransom. So you'll see those "Jack is an awesome pirate, and The Rippers corporation rules!" posts. (The forums, of course, don't like those posts, and they can get people banned.) Your Money or Your Life! The journal of a space pirate
Robert0288 Caldari g guild	Posted - 2008.01.23 16:58:00 - [47] bob tried to ransom me in delve a few nights ago lol (scout failed, oh well). though one thing i gotta say, it was hard to read the convo as 9 others started mass smacking in local.... needless to say I laughed and hit the self destruct button, about 15 seconds short too what are your opionions of pirates who smack while trying to ransom, as i've seen this quite a bit in low sec occuring to other people. Personally i think this is kinda counter productive.
Alia Xi Caldari	Posted - 2008.01.23 18:24:00 - [48] Originally by: Robert0288 bob tried to ransom me in delve a few nights ago lol (scout failed, oh well). though one thing i gotta say, it was hard to read the convo as 9 others started mass smacking in local.... needless to say I laughed and hit the self destruct button, about 15 seconds short too what are your opionions of pirates who smack while trying to ransom, as i've seen this quite a bit in low sec occuring to other people. Personally i think this is kinda counter productive. I don't smack - ever! It's just not worth the hassle and wasted time typing. As you say, it's counter productive too. I was tempted too once when I was on the wrong end of a Hyperion BS - but it was my fault, I started it and got what I deserved People who smack me just make me laugh. I don't do it myself, but I'm not opposed to it - often it provides me with a giggle. I was once told my mother had intercourse with dogs (rofl) after blowing someone up - very amusing... Keep em coming
General Coochie The Bastards	Posted - 2008.01.23 19:03:00 - [49] Edited by: General Coochie on 23/01/2008 19:04:12 Every time Ive been ransomed its been way to high, I didn't pay and got blown up. If you just want an excuse to blow someone up sure go ahead but don't come to forums saying piracy is dead or doesn't give isk or something else. I always ransom my victim (except lately while recording a movie, explosions look nicer then a ransom captured on a vid) I made 500mill last month only in ransoms and as I said Ive been recording a video and haven't ransomed much even. Learn to ransom and piracy = lot of isk. And a ship scanner is every pirates best friend second to a scrambler. A battlecruiser ransom T1 = 10-20m isk. with riggs and t2 you can get up to 80-100 mill if you are lucky.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.01.24 00:02:00 - [50] Originally by: Lord Evangelian When and if I randsom (LEAPC are respectable players not pirates), I go by the ship, so if some one is in a incursus, I woudl say 500K lol or just pop them, if they are in a Brutix 25M ISK, if its a BS then I say 100M ISK. If they cant pay they shouldnt be in it in my eyes. PS: We only ransom war targets and pirates... So you essentially are screwed by the insurance? 100 million ships insured equal a loss of 20 millions or so. Add some medium value module and he will be at 40-50 million loss. Asking 100 millions mean he will refuse 90% of the time, and if he accept he has some good module.
Xzar Fyrarr Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.01.24 13:11:00 - [51] I was wondering... But have any of you tryed this type of ransoming , only works at gatecamps I believe. If they have a combat ship, instead of killing it, scram it web it, and tell him "If you want to web Warp to XXX. When he gets to xxx another ship scrams and webs him. Ship B , a combat ship, enters gatecamp. Same thing goes on. Ship B is told to warp to XXX place. Now the one pilot from the gank camp there proceeds to tell them if either wants to live.... theyll have to kill each other ? Like a gladiator scenario >.> The winner gets to leave system while the loser doesnt? Of course not many people will stick around for that but hey its a fun way to get cheap loot ^.^ ----------------------------------------------------- The way I ransom is very simple, but effective most of the time. First off, it is based on many situational factors. If I am in a system that is populated, lets say Amamake, I will not even bother giving me than a 15 second ransom as that system is crowded with ebil piwates. However if its a smaller system, the ransom will be no longer than 30seconds. I will also take into effect what ship they are flying. I have setup A base ransom system that I personally like, Frigates-500k, Cruisers- 2mill Battlecruisers, Tier 1 depending on race 30mill, depending on race-20mill. Tier 2-38mill Battleships, in the rare occasion we catch a loan battleship that is 100mill. Then I take into effect how old the char is, what corp he is in, and his sec status, all these things I look at during the last few seconds of a fight. If the char is 2 weeks old, I blow up his ship and give him 2mill as hes not even a month old. If I manage to beat a 3+month old char solo, I will add 10mill to the ship cost. If our gang manges to beat someone who is a year older, we just kill it It boost our confidence which IMO is much more important than a ransom to me at this moment . If the character is unwilling to pay a ransom, we/I pop his ship and hope to ransom his pod. Pods are always at least 9mill. If its older than 2 months we/I usually assume+4's are installed so it the ransom goes up to 50mill Thats my short little basic ransom list
Cikulisuy Amarr Havoc Inc Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.01.24 17:06:00 - [52] i once was out with my boyz and we created a newb gladiator arena, captured 2 newbs at gates and commanded them to fight to the death. fun times =D this out of all will remain, they have lived and have tossed; so much of the game will be gain, though the gold and the dice have been lost.
Yonneh Death of Virtue Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.01.24 17:24:00 - [53] Originally by: Latex Underwear Anybody who actually pays a ransom is an idiot and deserves to be repeatedly ganked. Never give a pirate free isk. Make them work for it; make them take the sec hit; and make them groan over the destroyed mods. I would love to take a sec hit. I would love to continue playing and making isk. And i would really, really love to see all your mods go pop and imagine you sitting at your PC /facepalm. Dont think we dont like it, we do.. It makes me moist
General Coochie The Bastards	Posted - 2008.01.24 18:00:00 - [54] Originally by: Xzar Fyrarr I was wondering... But have any of you tryed this type of ransoming , only works at gatecamps I believe. If they have a combat ship, instead of killing it, scram it web it, and tell him "If you want to web Warp to XXX. When he gets to xxx another ship scrams and webs him. Ship B , a combat ship, enters gatecamp. Same thing goes on. Ship B is told to warp to XXX place. Now the one pilot from the gank camp there proceeds to tell them if either wants to live.... theyll have to kill each other ? Like a gladiator scenario >.> The winner gets to leave system while the loser doesnt? Of course not many people will stick around for that but hey its a fun way to get cheap loot ^.^ ----------------------------------------------------- The way I ransom is very simple, but effective most of the time. First off, it is based on many situational factors. If I am in a system that is populated, lets say Amamake, I will not even bother giving me than a 15 second ransom as that system is crowded with ebil piwates. However if its a smaller system, the ransom will be no longer than 30seconds. I will also take into effect what ship they are flying. I have setup A base ransom system that I personally like, Frigates-500k, Cruisers- 2mill Battlecruisers, Tier 1 depending on race 30mill, depending on race-20mill. Tier 2-38mill Battleships, in the rare occasion we catch a loan battleship that is 100mill. Then I take into effect how old the char is, what corp he is in, and his sec status, all these things I look at during the last few seconds of a fight. If the char is 2 weeks old, I blow up his ship and give him 2mill as hes not even a month old. If I manage to beat a 3+month old char solo, I will add 10mill to the ship cost. If our gang manges to beat someone who is a year older, we just kill it It boost our confidence which IMO is much more important than a ransom to me at this moment . If the character is unwilling to pay a ransom, we/I pop his ship and hope to ransom his pod. Pods are always at least 9mill. If its older than 2 months we/I usually assume+4's are installed so it the ransom goes up to 50mill Thats my short little basic ransom list Ive seen the idea many times but don't think anyone has pulled it of. How do you manage your victim to warp to the spot you want anyway?
Wind Ictiva Delta Kappa Gamma	Posted - 2008.01.24 18:43:00 - [55] Originally by: ZerKar The only encounter I witnessed personally was one of my mates losing their Drake and Pod. It was not over instantly but there was no communication whatsoever, no attempt at Ransome. I also had my friend tell me about a lovely 7 Command Ship Veto camp that his little Myrm ran into. He got about half a second to wonder if they were going to randsome him before he was podded. which is why you should be thankful when you do get ransom offers Originally by: ZerKar I would be reluctant to pay any Pirate any Ransome unless the Ransome was lower than the Value of my stuff. orly Originally by: Admiral Love Hmm creating a thread like this is perhaps a little like sitting naked with bleeding balls in a pool of piranhas. I Won't do it again - most of you guys are pretty nasty.

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