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hmskrecik
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Posted - 2012.02.12 21:16:00 -
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Mike712 wrote:It is possible to get the ideal 4 damage mods and 3 tracking mods on a vindi, just requires a fair amount of pimping in the tank department to make it work(then again it is a vindi so it deserves some nice mods in my opinion). [Vindicator, Lv4 Vinidcator] [....] I'd hardly call the DPS anemic, this thing pushes over 1000 DPS with implants(before drones) out to ~50km, which out DPS's a mach at that sort of range. Rail vindi's are properly good now! I use similar setup to what Mike posted and it churns through missions like it was no tomorrow. The difference being in that instead of cap rechargers I fitted heavy cap booster (caps injected for tank, not very often; guns are self sustained) and sebo, also instead of third TC is web or Omni Track or ECCM. If one doesn't mind juggling tracking scripts 2 TCs are enough, just remember to keep pack of Javelins in your cargo. |
hmskrecik
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Posted - 2012.02.13 09:41:00 -
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Tore Smith wrote:- web is only a bonus for when you run merc missions. you wont hit frigs, even webbed! change it for another TC for other missions or an AB but than you have to downgrade the booster I use fit almost equal to your, main difference being in rigs. Web is good for Angels too, and some Serps. And you *will* hit frigs. Just use Javelins, Luke (also 2x tracking script).
Quote:- base sensor strenght is better than with the kronos, so guristas arent such a problem Better but still not perfect. OTOH Guristas don't require to be webbed...
Quote:- this setup wont tank a few of the harder missions easily, so be prepared I'd say it can't tank *most* of harder missions. But so far I managed to kill majority before buffer run out. Aggro management is strict requirement though. |
hmskrecik
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Posted - 2012.02.13 11:37:00 -
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Tore Smith wrote:hmskrecik wrote:I use fit almost equal to your, main difference being in rigs. I would be very much interested in your rig choice... Care to share? Nothing special here. Just one Nano Pump and 2x CCC. This way I can have full rack of mids doing something useful: cap booster, 2x TC, sebo, utility.
Quote:ThatGÇÖs actually a very good reminder. I totally forgot about the t2 ammo changes ...will definitely try Javelin next time around. Their +25% tracking might be the key, because atm I cannot hit Guristas webbers and similar even while using dual tracking scripted TCs, web and Antimatter charges. Being honest, it's not that you will hit a frig every time. Those pests are best to shoot at on approach. When in orbit, by the time the web slows them down and guns score good enough hit you can kill a battleship or two. But it's still doable. That said I prefer to leave those buggers for drones.
Quote:Concerning Angels: I use a Mach or Varg for them, but sure, there a web makes sense. Do you run Blasters for Angels or do you stick with rails? Rails. I figured that even if Angels tend to go up close and personal they also tend to spawn quite away. I use blasters only for Damsel in Distress and there, oh boy, they pummel everything in sight.
Quote:There are only a few Guristas missions I regularly get scrammed in, but they are blitzable... I do missions for bounties thus I'm rather interested in getting at all of them. And web is not useful against Guristas in any way. When jamming is not an issue I replace it with Omni Track so drones get some fun too.
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hmskrecik
TransMine Group German Information Network Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.13 19:44:00 -
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In my experience Vindi performs slightly better in missions than Kronos. Not much though, difference boiling to choice whether you want to be more on the edge with former or have more comfortable fittings with latter. I haven't used Navy Mega long before Crucible patch but at that time it was slightly worse than Kronos. Maybe I should give it a try again.
Blasters or rails. Again, in my experience on average ISK/hr rails are slightly better. Yes, blasters own anything in range but to get into said range you need time and even with MWD it doesn't balance out. And it's quite absorbing to manage speed and targets comared to rails, which themselves sometimes make quite a clickfest.
Tracking was never an issue with 2 TCs if you don't mind juggling scripts in mid fight (I have simple rule of thumb: for targets closer than 36-40km I use 2x tracking, farther - 2x range). Even if some dps is lost for smaller targets mind you that you make most of your money from shooting battleships and here's where Vindi delivers.
Web bonus is very nice but only when it's reasonable to apply it. When most targets are at 30-40 km (Gurista missions) actually fitting a webber is epic fail. Actually is for most of missions. The only cases where it comes handy are missions with Angels, Mercs and about half of those with Serpentis.
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hmskrecik
TransMine Group German Information Network Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.13 22:00:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:I'm surprised that the difference between rail and blaster vindi is only "slight". How long ago did you test this? Would you be willing to provide more details on that - things like fits and missions and such? Its not that I doubt you but its really unexpected. While I have no hard data on Vindi as I use it 99% of time with rails and remaining 1% being the Damsel mission, I have run some comparisons with Kronos and Proteus, with Kronos tests being after Crucible. In both cases it took me about 10-30% longer to complete given mission when using blasters.
I could be doing it wrong. Maybe. But even then blasters required much more attention and focus. My gues is even if performance was comparable, or better, for the same amount of work they are nowhere as effective so why bother? |
hmskrecik
TransMine Group German Information Network Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.16 09:07:00 -
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Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:Any rat but angels is a pain in its own way, honestly. Being jammed and damped sucks, but so does being neuted to death and having your guns reduced to the range of mediums and the tracking of XL. Truth to be told, being painted in AE bonus is kind of service you also wish you haven't received too. |
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