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Tycho Catullus	Posted - 2008.01.25 19:55:00 - [1] We really, really would like this to happen - completely new profession, thing to do, will get rid of clutter and improve performance - its a win win thing, no?
Selene Le'Cotiere Amarr I-Omniscient-I	Posted - 2008.01.25 20:47:00 - [2] /signed on both accounts. *** "Some would call me a Demon. Others, a Vampire. But if the truth be told, I'm a child of the moon and a Goddess among men." Free pint of blood for the Dev who agrees
Dr Slurm General Commodities	Posted - 2008.01.25 21:12:00 - [3] Because something like this would never be abused for griefing. =/ Bad idea, no consideration of the repercussions. It's better then Quafe! Off-topic. Please don't point out semantic errors of the moderators - Mitnal
Tycho Catullus	Posted - 2008.01.26 14:38:00 - [4] Originally by: Dr Slurm Because something like this would never be abused for griefing. =/ Bad idea, no consideration of the repercussions. (Almost) everything could be used for griefing. ffs, you have thorax squads ganking freighters in 1.0 and this would be griefing? It would solve much more than it could cause harm + it would give an entire new reason why people would scour belts and hang around behind enemy lines. Today, peeps are in belts if they mine, rat or hunt the first two. Hence, most combat is at gates - if people scattered around to check all those giant cans holding ratting loot and valuable minerals and salvagebles their owners leave for months unattended, there would be more peeps in belts, more adrenaline fights, more ambushes, more baits more of everything. lets prevent eve from being gate based game - lets put more content into other parts of systems.
Omega MythOS Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.01.26 14:47:00 - [5] My heart longs for this since I know that hacking skill exists. /signed with all accounts QUID DURAT VINCIT
Tycho Catullus	Posted - 2008.01.26 14:53:00 - [6] Originally by: Omega MythOS My heart longs for this since I know that hacking skill exists. /signed with all accounts Couple of weeks ago i probed out and found some containers. Scanned them with cargo scanner and found they carry some faction mods. Damn was i ****ed, sitting there. One laser fitted destroyer and half an hour, and I would be rich IF CONTAINERS DROPPED LOOT. Or IF HACKING MODULE ACTUALLY HACKED encrypted cans. Come on CCP :) This would be great fun, think about it :)
Karentaki Gallente federation navy taskforce	Posted - 2008.01.26 15:04:00 - [7] /signed - hacking should work on secure cans too - however, there should be a special 'advanced hacking' module that requires greater skills to use, and costs a lot more. Also, 10-20k m^3 secure cans should be introduced to balance this out. ======
Sulci	Posted - 2008.01.26 17:37:00 - [8] I agree on all accounts
Veloci10	Posted - 2008.01.26 17:47:00 - [9] /signed Seems like a decent idea to me =]
Clansworth Point-Zero SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.26 20:23:00 - [10] Totally agreed, with some counter. There should be an encryption skill, that will set a encryption strength when a can is anchored, so someone with a really good encryption skill, would have a stronger can, harder to hack. Also, on a hacking attempt, aggression flag is set, and notice is sent ot the can owner. This should give a chance, if the owner is near, to retaliate. Task List: Cans need a base encryption strength attribute when anchored (tech 2 containers, faction containers) Encryption skill - 15% increase in anchored can encryption strength per level Hacking skill to work on anchored secure cans Destroyed cans have loot drop chance (can wreck, with no salvage, so it's not a can blowing up and turning into a can) Can Attacked/Hacked notification to owner. If anchored for corp, via corpmail. Prospector Class
Demona Diabolicus Minmatar	Posted - 2008.01.26 20:33:00 - [11] great idea! anyway, I would just like the be able to shoot the cans without concord intervention.
Clansworth Point-Zero SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.26 20:45:00 - [12] Originally by: Demona Diabolicus great idea! anyway, I would just like the be able to shoot the cans without concord intervention. I'm not sure about this one. It is still personal property, so vandalism should still warrant concord intervention. Prospector Class
Stakhanov Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.01.26 22:12:00 - [13] Hacking modules should reveal some letters of the password for each successful attempt - guessing passwords would save a lot of time , if they can be guessed (gibberish with numbers being harder to find) Originally by: ivan draco we didnt want your post anyway
CEO CatzRule	Posted - 2008.01.27 02:24:00 - [14] I don't like the idea of hacking secure cans.
Kyra Felann Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2008.01.27 02:53:00 - [15] /signed
Jason Travers	Posted - 2008.01.27 07:34:00 - [16] It allows the ore thieves to hack your secure cans. no way. oret hieves have too many diffrent methods as it is to ruin the game play for miners. Though I would like to see something in place to be able to thin out the can issue. something like if the can isnt opened in 30-60 days it automatically unanchors.
Lochmar Fiendhiem Caldari International Multi-Player Consortium Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.27 08:03:00 - [17] Originally by: Clansworth Totally agreed, with some counter. There should be an encryption skill, that will set a encryption strength when a can is anchored, so someone with a really good encryption skill, would have a stronger can, harder to hack. Also, on a hacking attempt, aggression flag is set, and notice is sent ot the can owner. This should give a chance, if the owner is near, to retaliate. Task List: Cans need a base encryption strength attribute when anchored (tech 2 containers, faction containers) Encryption skill - 15% increase in anchored can encryption strength per level Hacking skill to work on anchored secure cans Destroyed cans have loot drop chance (can wreck, with no salvage, so it's not a can blowing up and turning into a can) Can Attacked/Hacked notification to owner. If anchored for corp, via corpmail. This right here. Make it invention, faction cans sound a little silly though. Balance out the variables on the hacking mod time and strength, and can base strength and % bonus's. Would be a way for the players to help the rest of the cluster. Originally by: Halkin bob is dead, goons are great, cheese is cheesy, there we go no need for any more threads
Clansworth Point-Zero SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.27 08:26:00 - [18] Originally by: Lochmar Fiendhiem This right here. Make it invention, faction cans sound a little silly though. I intended the faction can comment to be a litle tongue in cheek.. guess i forgot the smiley. Anyways, obviously there would be some balancing to be had. Originally by: Jason Travers It allows the ore thieves to hack your secure cans. no way. oret hieves have too many diffrent methods as it is to ruin the game play for miners. Though I would like to see something in place to be able to thin out the can issue. something like if the can isnt opened in 30-60 days it automatically unanchors. There would be some decent timeframe to hack a can, just as in hacking exploration sites. The act of attempting a hack would give killrights, so I fail to see how this is a bad thing. If you are sitting there, watching an ore thief hack your can, and do nothing about it, you deserve to get your ore looted. New Prospector Class
Ishan Mons Gallente	Posted - 2008.01.27 08:51:00 - [19] if you could hack them then they wouldn't be "secure" would they? "slightly harder to steal than jet cans" container doesn't sound very appealing ------------------------ BOOST PATCH! BOOST PATCH! BOOST PATCH! BOOST PATCH!
Arcturus Black	Posted - 2008.01.29 10:18:00 - [20] Make'em hackable and make them drop loot! /signed
Lobster Man Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.01.29 10:37:00 - [21] /signed I want in on some of the farmer's cans in highsec
DmitryEKT Dark Nebula Academy	Posted - 2008.01.29 11:52:00 - [22] Originally by: Tycho Catullus ffs, you have thorax squads ganking freighters in 1.0 and this would be griefing? simple. make concord pwn you for hacking a can. same as freighters. makes them "more secure" than just giving kill rights. ------------------ Luck does not go about in search of fools. Said fools, however, will not understand.
spring breeze	Posted - 2008.01.29 12:18:00 - [23] why not just remove the secure cans from the game then? i mean if they decide to make them hackable then noone will use them unless they dont know their secure can isn't so secure. so then you just have a redundant item in the game. make more sense just to remove them then to make them redundant and screw the few folks who lost stuff because they didnt see the change coming.
Neena Valdi Geddonites	Posted - 2008.01.29 16:33:00 - [24] I hope you are aware you can not probe containers anchored in space?
Endless Subversion	Posted - 2008.01.29 17:40:00 - [25] Edited by: Endless Subversion on 29/01/2008 17:41:02 Originally by: Tycho Catullus Couple of weeks ago i probed out and found some containers. Scanned them with cargo scanner and found they carry some faction mods. Damn was i ****ed, sitting there. One laser fitted destroyer and half an hour, and I would be rich IF CONTAINERS DROPPED LOOT. Or IF HACKING MODULE ACTUALLY HACKED encrypted cans. Come on CCP :) This would be great fun, think about it :) No you didn't. Containers can't be probed out, perhaps you busted a ship in a SS with containers but you sure didn't get a scan result on a container. Fix Self Destruct & Missions
Rane Connor	Posted - 2008.01.30 16:57:00 - [26] In theory this is a fine idea, but realistically no one would leave their s**t around in "secured" cans anymore. I mean we use locks in real life b/c they work for the most part and you don't have everyone and their dog going around trying to pick every lock they see, but in a game everyone would just start picking every lock they see. Let's use our brains a bit more, the post about a secured can that has been unaccessed for a long period of time might be the better idea, not the best one maybe, but at least someone is thinking.
NightKhaos Gallente Khaos Wielders	Posted - 2008.01.30 19:02:00 - [27] /signed PROVIDED there are controls in place and ways to make it harder to hack, i.e. encryption as suggested. CPU: Intel Core2 T5500 @ 1.66 RAM: 1024 GPU: nVidia GeForce Go 7300 GPU Drivers: 2.1.1 NVIDIA 100.14.19 Sound Card: HDA Intel Sound Card Driver: ALSA Version 1.0.14 Kernel: 2.6.23-gentoo-r3
Ramadas Gallente Placid Reborn Coalition Of Empires	Posted - 2008.02.05 00:00:00 - [28] Yes, yes, yes. I agree to this petition! Make it so.
WardogX Minmatar Outkasts	Posted - 2008.02.05 01:43:00 - [29] I guess no one thought about the fact that within the 1st week of this patch everyone would no longer put loot in secure containers ever again (and transport all their loots elsewhere).. so you will be hacking empty cans.

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