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Sheamis Kast
I-Omniscient-I
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Posted - 2008.02.03 04:34:00 -
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I have recently finished training all the skills I need to fly this ship and am looking for advice setting it up. I will be doing a lot of solo Low-sec hunting and some low-sec gang activities (gate camping, mostly). I realize that these are two different activities, so I am really looking for a setup that can do both or two setups with the same rigs used.
Currently I have it setup like so:
Highs 2x HAM II w/ a mix of faction ammo and javelins for range Best-named Small Energy Neutralizer
Mids Best-named 10MN MWD (can't use the tech II yet) Stasis Web II Warp Disruptor II Best-named Medium Cap Booster w/ 800's
Lows 2x MAR II Armor Thermic Hardener II DC II BCU II
Rigs Aux Nano Pump Nanobot Accelerator
Drones 3x Hobgoblin II's
The idea here is to be able to tank a lot of damage and put out reasonable damage myself. The issue I see is that I don't have a lot of effective HP so if I can't tank the damage I am receiving I will go down pretty quick. Also the web seems not to help full since I am not fast enough to catch up to anyone fast enough to out run my missiles.
Any constructive comments welcome, thanks.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari SIVAKASI
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Posted - 2008.02.03 08:20:00 -
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Drop the BCS because it does not work on HAMs. It gives bonus to firing rate only. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
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Adonai RisenStar
Gallente Deathwatch Inc. Scalar Federation
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Posted - 2008.02.03 08:23:00 -
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Indeed, your priority is tank before dps. Drop that BCU and add EANM T2. Everything else looks great. [center] Risen's Art for ISK - Custom made images, sigs, logos, etc. tailor made to your specification! Competative pricing and absolute |
Terianna Eri
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.02.03 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Drop the BCS because it does not work on HAMs. It gives bonus to firing rate only.
What the ****?
Since when has this been true?
@OP: consider dropping the thermal hard for an EANM, although they are both viable choices. More tank instead of the BCU (another EANM) is a valid choice, as is going Rep/Rep/DC/BCU/BCU for some very nice damage.
I use 2x aux nano pump because I don't like the increased cap drain, although I think the sacrilege can probably handle it, as it has a HUGE cargohold, an injector, and very good inherent capacitor. Will have to test that. __________________________________
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari SIVAKASI
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Posted - 2008.02.03 10:20:00 -
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Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 03/02/2008 10:20:57
Originally by: Terianna Eri What the ****?
Since when has this been true?
Dude... HAMs are unguided and BCS are for guided. BCS works for all launchers firing rate.
I know this because I am Amarr! --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
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Sheamis Kast
I-Omniscient-I
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Posted - 2008.02.03 11:08:00 -
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I am a little confused, how are HAMs unguided? They track their targets through space. They don't just fly in a straight line. I thought BCUs worked for all missile systems.
Is it really wise to drop the Thermal Hardener? It Blasters and Lasers both do thermal, and missile users can do what ever they choose. It seems like I am very likely to receive a good amount of thermal damage, leaving that resistance so low would seem foolish. Running the math, I get a much better tank against Hybrids and Lasers running the Thermal Hardener over an EAMN II (Even with perfect armor comp skills, which mine are not). Seeing as how that is nearly all I run up against, it seems to be the wisest move; not to mention the prevalence of Gallente drones.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari SIVAKASI
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Posted - 2008.02.03 11:14:00 -
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Stick to thermal and if you want to swap, swap to whatever with BCS.
I am not sure any more. Does torpedo get damage bonsu from BCS? I know they do not get bonus from guided missile skill. If torpdeo do get damage bonus from BCS then HAM should get damage bonus from BCS too.
Just my newb experience but I know heavy missiles need BCS to perform and HAM ships need more tanks so no need BCS. BCS is a luxuyr. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
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Terianna Eri
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.02.03 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 03/02/2008 10:20:57
Originally by: Terianna Eri What the ****?
Since when has this been true?
Dude... HAMs are unguided and BCS are for guided. BCS works for all launchers firing rate.
I know this because I am Amarr!
BCS gives a bonus to missile launcher firing rate and missile damage. The only distinction between guided and unguided missiles is which skills apply to them, as, say, "Guided Missile Precision" applies only to light missiles, heavy missiles, and cruise missiles, and not to rockets, HAMS, and torps.
BCS definitely give the same damage and RoF bonus to all missile launchers fitted. __________________________________
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Terianna Eri
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.02.03 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Sheamis Kast I am a little confused, how are HAMs unguided? They track their targets through space. They don't just fly in a straight line. I thought BCUs worked for all missile systems.
Is it really wise to drop the Thermal Hardener? It Blasters and Lasers both do thermal, and missile users can do what ever they choose. It seems like I am very likely to receive a good amount of thermal damage, leaving that resistance so low would seem foolish. Running the math, I get a much better tank against Hybrids and Lasers running the Thermal Hardener over an EAMN II (Even with perfect armor comp skills, which mine are not). Seeing as how that is nearly all I run up against, it seems to be the wisest move; not to mention the prevalence of Gallente drones.
Well, that's definitely a good reason to fit a thermal hardener. It can go either way tbh. I will say this - 2x MAR, EANM, Thermal Hardener II, DC II, 2x aux nano pumps will tank an Ishtar all day long.
HAMs are unguided missiles. Pay no attention to the fact that they follow the target - it's easier to code that than to predict the target's movement vector and send a missile to where you think the target is going to be.
Unguided means that it is not affected by certain missile skills. Or rather, not affected by a single missile skill, that being guided missile precision, which affects, basically, the explosion radius of the missile. __________________________________
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Sheamis Kast
I-Omniscient-I
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Posted - 2008.02.03 17:03:00 -
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Thanks for clearing that up.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari SIVAKASI
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Posted - 2008.02.03 17:04:00 -
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Wlecome fellow pilot. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
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Daanika
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Posted - 2008.02.03 18:30:00 -
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2 x MAR ii 2 x EANM ii 1 x Thermal Hardener ii 2 x Aux Nano Pump rigs
Is a standard Sac tank. Might have to tweak it a bit if the base resist changes take effect, as EM resist might fall below 80% (gasp!) Train those comp skills :)
A small smartbomb in the last high slot is nice for ecm drones if you can fit it... might need a CPU implant tho.
You might want to switch to 400 charges for the cap booster, if you encounter a lot of neuts.
Enjoy the Sac :)
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Aramendel
Amarr North Face Force
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Posted - 2008.02.03 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Sheamis Kast Highs 2x HAM II
That is a writing error, right?
Quote: w/ a mix of faction ammo and javelins for range
I hope that means that you have faction ammo and jav ammo in your carghold? Not that you have half your launchers loaded with jav and half with faction ammo?
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Sheamis Kast
I-Omniscient-I
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Posted - 2008.02.03 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: Aramendel
Originally by: Sheamis Kast Highs 2x HAM II
That is a writing error, right?
Quote: w/ a mix of faction ammo and javelins for range
I hope that means that you have faction ammo and jav ammo in your carghold? Not that you have half your launchers loaded with jav and half with faction ammo?
Oops, yeah, I have 5 launchers in this thing. Also, I only use one ammo type at a time, switching them as the need arises.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.02.03 19:30:00 -
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Its a good fit, I dont see much wrong with it basically. I use 1xBCS too quite often. -------------------------------------- The Inquisition III - Relentless Retaliation |
StinkFinger
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.02.03 21:21:00 -
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nano it...any other sac setup is a waste of time
Originally by: Karanth That's like sitting on your hand till it goes numb, so it's like a stranger. It's not as satisfying, and I'LL know the difference.
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mama guru
Gallente Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.02.03 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: StinkFinger nano it...any other sac setup is a waste of time
This right here, except i feel that you still need a bit of survivability as you will only do damage within 20km range.(ham max range is about 20km)
5x HAM II 1x Medium 'vehemenace' Shockwave charge I
1x MWD 1x Scram 1x 90% web 1x med cap injector
2x Overdrive II 1x Ballistic Control Unit II 1x EANM II 1x Medium armor repairer II
3x Warrior II 2x Polycarbons
does about 3200 M/s with T2 MWD, can take a few hits from a tackler/drones and so on. Does around 350+ dps pending on your skills.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.02.03 23:30:00 -
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Edited by: Terianna Eri on 03/02/2008 23:30:26
Originally by: StinkFinger nano it...any other sac setup is a waste of time
I've had fights where I would have outright died in a nano sacrilege. Maybe in 0.0, but in lowsec / empire, where you have to deal with docking and maybe even sentry guns, dual rep is the way to go, and it is a very competitive ship with dual reps fitted.
Just yesterday I tanked an Ogre II / Light Neutron Blaster II Ishtar at point blank range. __________________________________
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Noobalt Logoffski
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Posted - 2008.02.04 01:10:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 03/02/2008 10:20:57
Originally by: Terianna Eri What the ****?
Since when has this been true?
Dude... HAMs are unguided and BCS are for guided. BCS works for all launchers firing rate.
I know this because I am Amarr!
Epic FAIL. Please stop spreading disinformation. BCS affects ALL missile/rocket damage and ROF. The fact that you are Amarr and claim to "know this" does not make your statement true.
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