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Bladen Kerst
Caldari Bladen Kerst Innovations
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Posted - 2008.02.04 00:06:00 -
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Just wondering, how many BCSs this setup allows to equip?
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Ararius
Earned In Blood
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Posted - 2008.02.04 01:12:00 -
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Max Cap skills, 3 CCC rigs, Cap Recharger II, and 2 PDUs can perma run a Gist C-type and 3 hards
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Bladen Kerst
Caldari Bladen Kerst Innovations
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Posted - 2008.02.04 01:31:00 -
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Well then being a fan of permatank setups I will stick with my passive tank setup. It is cheaper and I can equip 4 BCSs when situation allows.
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Ararius
Earned In Blood
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Posted - 2008.02.04 01:40:00 -
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Originally by: Bladen Kerst Well then being a fan of permatank setups I will stick with my passive tank setup. It is cheaper and I can equip 4 BCSs when situation allows.
Your Call.
3/4 BCUs is a DPS increase, but not as much
And passive tank on a Raven...?
Just tossing out the idea.
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Bladen Kerst
Caldari Bladen Kerst Innovations
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Posted - 2008.02.04 02:08:00 -
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Well I recently managed to tank Recon (1 of 3) against Blood Raiders in a passive tanked Raven but I had to use all low slots for shield regen and warp out once after I killed all the cruisers because those pesky nosers left me without cap. But usually I was able to use 1-3 BCS, you just need to know your missions and avoid aggroing whole rooms, triggering waves too early or equiping too many BCS when it is not really advisable :). It is not the safest setup if you tend to be careless but it works, it is cheap and and it is pretty safe when you tend to lag during missions or crash out at the most inappropriate moments. In CNR with maxed out skills I should be able to handle the hardest missions with 3 BCS (maybe except for Recon)
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Kadoes Khan
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Posted - 2008.02.04 02:42:00 -
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Not worthwhile to perma tank a raven. You get more than enough tank without trying to perma run it and you can fit 4 BCU's(5 if you want but the 5th doesn't amount to much). -=^=- "Someday the world will recognize the genius in my insanity." |
Ararius
Earned In Blood
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Posted - 2008.02.04 02:58:00 -
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Originally by: Bladen Kerst Well I recently managed to tank Recon (1 of 3) against Blood Raiders in a passive tanked Raven but I had to use all low slots for shield regen and warp out once after I killed all the cruisers because those pesky nosers left me without cap. But usually I was able to use 1-3 BCS, you just need to know your missions and avoid aggroing whole rooms, triggering waves too early or equiping too many BCS when it is not really advisable :). It is not the safest setup if you tend to be careless but it works, it is cheap and and it is pretty safe when you tend to lag during missions or crash out at the most inappropriate moments. In CNR with maxed out skills I should be able to handle the hardest missions with 3 BCS (maybe except for Recon)
Your above statement makes no sense. Saying that you just managed to run Recon 1 (a mission you can run in a Shuttle) in a passive tanked Raven and had to warp out. Then going and saying you can tank things with a few BCUs. Also, running 4 BCUs and 1 SPR does not really give you much shield recharge, even coupled with a few LSEs and rigs. (Im sure a passive tanked Drake would be able to do that mission w/o a warp out and still kill everything in a good amount of time)
I mean a Passive tanked Raven Is possible, but not quite viable. The problem with passive tanked BSs is that they have slow recharge times, and lack of an oversized Shield Extender. The reason the Drake gets away with it is it's Recharge Time/Shield Total, and the fact that LSEs give it ALOT more shield.
You asked for a Setup for a Perma Tanked Gist C-Type Raven, and I gave you on, but then you went and flamed it and that makes me very sad
You can make a 4 BCU Permatank Raven with CCCIIs and a Officer Cap Recharger and/or PDU. But thats sinking alot more isk for a minimal dps increase.
Originally by: Kadoes Khan Not worthwhile to perma tank a raven. You get more than enough tank without trying to perma run it and you can fit 4 BCU's(5 if you want but the 5th doesn't amount to much).
It's worthwile for people who dont really want to pay attention to missions, have a unstable missioning environment (crappy computer/internet connection) or people who want to keep their investment safe. However I do agree that perma tanks are a bit over the top. Stock T2 Setups ftw!
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Bladen Kerst
Caldari Bladen Kerst Innovations
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Posted - 2008.02.04 03:35:00 -
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Edited by: Bladen Kerst on 04/02/2008 03:38:59 Um have you ever tried to waste everyone in Recon? Those Corpus Popes have quite fat bounties upon them. Anyway if ever attempt that you may find that this lvl 4 mission which you can do in a shuttle suddenly becomes a lot more challenging and intresting. Those cruisers with neuts are not very fun though, by the time I finished with them they left me without cap so I couldn't run my hardeners and tank those 8 battleships
Edit: oh and I wasn't flaming you so I am sorry if it appeared to be so. on the contrary I am quite grateful that you answered my question.
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Ararius
Earned In Blood
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Posted - 2008.02.04 03:38:00 -
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Originally by: Bladen Kerst Um have you ever tried to waste everyone in Recon? Those Corpus Popes have quite fat bounties upon them. Anyway if ever attempt that you may find that this lvl 4 mission which you can do in a shuttle suddenly becomes a lot more challenging and intresting. Those cruisers with neuts are not very fun though, by the time I finished with them they left me without cap so I couldn't run my hardeners and tank those 8 battleships
Yes I have killed all the ships in Recon (1/3) as I run missions for isk.
And if it takes you such a long time to kill Cruisers in a Raven then whats up? Cruise missiles + drones can rip most NPC cruisers up easy. Also fitting 5x SPRs really gimps your cap recharge, so consider replacing a one for a PDU (buffs shields and cap for no neg) or a BCU for more dps.
And sadly I see no mission (aside from say massive attack) that you can tank with only 1 SPR in your lows, seeing as all you have is a mediumish buffer keeping you alive before you have to warp out (and warpouts make it so your isk making efficiency alot lower, but are better then losing your ship ;D)
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Bladen Kerst
Caldari Bladen Kerst Innovations
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Posted - 2008.02.04 03:43:00 -
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well how about Gone Berserk, Unathorized Military Presence and several others I don't remember right now? I think with good skills and t2 equipment it is possible to do several lvl 4 missions with only 1 SPR when piloting CNR
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.02.04 03:52:00 -
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I think you'd get better results switching the passive shield rigs into CCCs, the SPR(s) into DC/PDU and using a LARGE T2 shield booster instead.
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Onyon
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Posted - 2008.02.04 04:00:00 -
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3 words to seriously consider.
faction gear -> ganked
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Ararius
Earned In Blood
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Posted - 2008.02.04 04:18:00 -
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Originally by: Onyon 3 words to seriously consider.
faction gear -> ganked
Most people who Factionfit their Ravens would be in highsec.
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Atius Tirawa
Minmatar Wreckless Abandon
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Posted - 2008.02.04 06:53:00 -
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-The added damage after 3 mods is negligable. . . -'permaruning' and 'shield tank' is a strange desire. . .shield tanks are not supposed to be permarunable - even if you can. (although its pve sso I guess strange setups work). -passive shield tanking is a poor idea on battleships because the shield recharge rate is so crappy.
but then again, this is for pve - so if it works, I guess it works. -----------
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Ap0ll0n
Gallente Pikfjaes
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Posted - 2008.02.04 07:41:00 -
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High: 7 Cruiselaunchers (whatever suits you)
Meds: 1 XL booster II, 1 boost amp II, 3 hardeners II, 1 cap recharger II
Lows: 2 CPR II, 1 PDU II, 2 BCS II
Rigs: 3 CCC
I have cap skills at 5, shield compensation 4, and i can run this for just about 15min, which is equal to permatank, as you just turn off your booster for 10secs, and you have gained several minutes of cap. Boosts 656 shield, which is not enough to take full aggro in all missions, but its cheap and do decent dps, and is much better than a passive tanked CNR..
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Bladen Kerst
Caldari Bladen Kerst Innovations
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Posted - 2008.02.04 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: Atius Tirawa
-passive shield tanking is a poor idea on battleships because the shield recharge rate is so crappy.
but then again, this is for pve - so if it works, I guess it works.
Drake with 2 LSE II has 16% regen rate advantage over CNR with 2 LSE II. And its 25% resists are countered by 1 extra low slot on CNR, which can be used for SPR II granting extra 24% reduction in recharge time.
16% disadvantage compared to one of the best passive shield tankers in game is not awfully lot.
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mr bighelmet
EnTech Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.02.04 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: Bladen Kerst
Originally by: Atius Tirawa
-passive shield tanking is a poor idea on battleships because the shield recharge rate is so crappy.
but then again, this is for pve - so if it works, I guess it works.
Drake with 2 LSE II has 16% regen rate advantage over CNR with 2 LSE II. And its 25% resists are countered by 1 extra low slot on CNR, which can be used for SPR II granting extra 24% reduction in recharge time.
16% disadvantage compared to one of the best passive shield tankers in game is not awfully lot.
I fail to see how 25% resists are countered by 1 low slot, as hard as i try i can't see an item i can fit in low slot that give me 25% more resists (none stacking at that). If i post something smart it represent my corp and alliance all other posts are my feeling/ideas only and do not represnt the rest |
Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.02.04 13:13:00 -
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Edited by: Andrue on 04/02/2008 13:15:52 Perma tanking a CNR seems silly. You'll get a better tank and almost as much damage output (esp. when you consider the smaller NPC signatures) with a Nighthawk. Leave passive tanking to the ships that can do it properly. The CNR is a great ship but give it a proper tank, don't gimp it.
Edit:What is this warp-out that you speak-of? Is it some kind of special CNR tactic?
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Bladen Kerst
Caldari Bladen Kerst Innovations
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Posted - 2008.02.04 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: mr bighelmet
I fail to see how 25% resists are countered by 1 low slot, as hard as i try i can't see an item i can fit in low slot that give me 25% more resists (none stacking at that).
Okay let's see. 25% resists to all types of damage means that you negate 25% of incoming DPS. That means that your shield regen rate is able to tank 33% more DPS (1/(1-0.25) = 1.33.., this is a multiplyer to tankable DPS thus 33.33% increase)
Sheild Power Relay II grants 24% reduction in recharge time, which grants 32% increased recharge rate, which again means that you can tank 32% more DPS (1/(1-0.24) = 1.32)
Bonus given by SPR is none stacking as well, the only downside is that your cap recharge rate gets penalized, but CNR has better cap recharge rate than Drake anyway so it roughly equals it out.
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Kerfira
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.02.04 14:48:00 -
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Edited by: Kerfira on 04/02/2008 14:49:02 To those saying perma-boosting a Gist setup is not worh it, you're wrong. If I get hit by a bad lag-spike, I want my ~3b ISK ship to still be alive afterwards
This works for me.
High: 7x Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher I 1x Salvager I
Mid: 1x Gist C-Type X-Large Shield Booster 1x Gist B-Type Shield Boost Amplifier 3x Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field 1x Dark Blood Cap Recharger
Low: 3x Caldari Navy Ballistics Control Unit 2x Capacitor Flux Coil II
Rigs: 3x Capacitor Control Circuit I
To those using CPR's in lows: You fail since this reduces your shield boost amount. To those using PDU's in lows: You fail since these are not efficient.
For a permatank, the all important feature is cap recharge. Shield flux coils are supreme. The reduction is total cap amount means nothing.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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