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Hannobaal
Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.08 01:28:00 -
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(Well ok, I will ignore for a while the fact that the whole idea of chestbeating about your "k/d ratio" is for people who play "Counterstrike in space" which is silly and not what Eve is about. But anyway... )
It seems that BoB lately (perhaps in lack of any other possible in-game achievements to brag about at all) have been endlessly bringing up their vaunted "k/d ratio" to (I guess) somehow attempt to prove that they are better than the alliances that have been fighting them despite their losses to those alliances. So, I thought I should look into this a little further and see if it really is all it is *****ed up to be. Unfortunately, doing so I ran into a problem. While BoB's killboard will show isk efficiency (which really is the only reliable measure here) for individual pilots, it does NOT do so for corps and alliances. It will only show number of ships lost and number of ships killed.
But since BoB aren't the only ones to have killboards we can look at their opponents' killboards (who mostly are the normal killboard style) and get a bit of perpective at BoB's real k/d. Below are the numbers for a few of them. (I thought of using battleclinic as well, however it shows them as having a near 0% ISK efficiency, so I will be nice and charitable and refrain from doing so.) The ones listed below are first the corp I'm in and then those alliances I could think of that are actively involved in fighting BoB and have killboards that show ISK efficiency.
Anyway, BoB's ISK efficiency versus...
Igneus Auctorita: 9.82% (ouch... I'm confused. I was told BoB was better than us....)
IRON: 34.2% Tau Ceti Federation: 44.56% Razor: 47.95% Mostly Harmless: 49.81 Pure : 53.81% Morsus Mihi: 57.12%
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Hannobaal
Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.08 01:28:00 -
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(Well ok, I will ignore for a while the fact that the whole idea of chestbeating about your "k/d ratio" is for people who play "Counterstrike in space" which is silly and not what Eve is about. But anyway... )
It seems that BoB lately (perhaps in lack of any other possible in-game achievements to brag about at all) have been endlessly bringing up their vaunted "k/d ratio" to (I guess) somehow attempt to prove that they are better than the alliances that have been fighting them despite their losses to those alliances. So, I thought I should look into this a little further and see if it really is all it is *****ed up to be. Unfortunately, doing so I ran into a problem. While BoB's killboard will show isk efficiency (which really is the only reliable measure here) for individual pilots, it does NOT do so for corps and alliances. It will only show number of ships lost and number of ships killed.
But since BoB aren't the only ones to have killboards we can look at their opponents' killboards (who mostly are the normal killboard style) and get a bit of perpective at BoB's real k/d. Below are the numbers for a few of them. (I thought of using battleclinic as well, however it shows them as having a near 0% ISK efficiency, so I will be nice and charitable and refrain from doing so.) The ones listed below are first the corp I'm in and then those alliances I could think of that are actively involved in fighting BoB and have killboards that show ISK efficiency.
Anyway, BoB's ISK efficiency versus...
Igneus Auctorita: 9.82% (ouch... I'm confused. I was told BoB was better than us....)
IRON: 34.2% Tau Ceti Federation: 44.56% Razor: 47.95% Mostly Harmless: 49.81 Pure : 53.81% Morsus Mihi: 57.12%
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Centauris
Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.08 01:31:00 -
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They can gloat all they want, still dont think it will save them, but time will tell.
Thundercats 4 Life |
Centauris
Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.08 01:31:00 -
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They can gloat all they want, still dont think it will save them, but time will tell.
Thundercats 4 Life |
laotse
The Flying Dutchmen Antesignani Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.08 01:32:00 -
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gaaaaaap man your lame http://80.126.192.128:8888/tfd/uploads/1121735338/gallery_11_8_1124480365.jpg
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Byzan Zwyth
Dark Centuri Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.08 01:32:00 -
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I wish they had stats on how much an alliance/corp wastes everyones time on caod. Sig removed. Lacks EVE related content. For more information feel free to contact [email protected]. ~Saint |
laotse
The Flying Dutchmen Antesignani Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.08 01:32:00 -
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gaaaaaap man your lame http://80.126.192.128:8888/tfd/uploads/1121735338/gallery_11_8_1124480365.jpg
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Byzan Zwyth
Dark Centuri Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.08 01:32:00 -
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I wish they had stats on how much an alliance/corp wastes everyones time on caod. Sig removed. Lacks EVE related content. For more information feel free to contact [email protected]. ~Saint |
TWD
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.08 01:33:00 -
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If there is a gang of 20 people from 20 different alliances and they lose 10 ships and all participated in 2 kills against 1 alliance, its pretty easy to get a pretty good K/D ratio per alliance as they lost 1 ship max and still got in on 2 kills.
In this case the K/D ratio is useless!
However!
If you look at a fight in general and include all the kills and losses of all alliances involved it is useful to see what the result was and the numbers involved.
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TWD
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.08 01:33:00 -
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If there is a gang of 20 people from 20 different alliances and they lose 10 ships and all participated in 2 kills against 1 alliance, its pretty easy to get a pretty good K/D ratio per alliance as they lost 1 ship max and still got in on 2 kills.
In this case the K/D ratio is useless!
However!
If you look at a fight in general and include all the kills and losses of all alliances involved it is useful to see what the result was and the numbers involved.
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Hannobaal
Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.08 01:36:00 -
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Originally by: TWD If there is a gang of 20 people from 20 different alliances and they lose 10 ships and all participated in 2 kills against 1 alliance, its pretty easy to get a pretty good K/D ratio per alliance as they lost 1 ship max and still got in on 2 kills.
In this case the K/D ratio is useless!
However!
If you look at a fight in general and include all the kills and losses of all alliances involved it is useful to see what the result was and the numbers involved.
And with that in mind, if your killboard would show isk efficiency we could get a clearer picture, but it don't...
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Hannobaal
Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.08 01:36:00 -
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Originally by: TWD If there is a gang of 20 people from 20 different alliances and they lose 10 ships and all participated in 2 kills against 1 alliance, its pretty easy to get a pretty good K/D ratio per alliance as they lost 1 ship max and still got in on 2 kills.
In this case the K/D ratio is useless!
However!
If you look at a fight in general and include all the kills and losses of all alliances involved it is useful to see what the result was and the numbers involved.
And with that in mind, if your killboard would show isk efficiency we could get a clearer picture, but it don't...
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ArmyOfMe
Exotic Dancers Club Scalar Federation
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Posted - 2008.02.08 01:36:00 -
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who cares
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Darko1107
Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.02.08 01:37:00 -
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Edited by: Darko1107 on 08/02/2008 01:37:55
Originally by: TWD If there is a gang of 20 people from 20 different alliances and they lose 10 ships and all participated in 2 kills against 1 alliance, its pretty easy to get a pretty good K/D ratio per alliance as they lost 1 ship max and still got in on 2 kills.
In this case the K/D ratio is useless!
However!
If you look at a fight in general and include all the kills and losses of all alliances involved it is useful to see what the result was and the numbers involved.
Yeh this really doesnt highligt K/D ratios agreed. But what is intresting is it highlights BoBs impact on each individual aliance. For example, if BoB were to destroy a massive coalition fleet, yes the coalition as whole would come off badly, but the individual alliances would be relatively unharmed.
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laotse
The Flying Dutchmen Antesignani Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.08 01:38:00 -
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hanno get out plaese dont make goons more stupid then they already are http://80.126.192.128:8888/tfd/uploads/1121735338/gallery_11_8_1124480365.jpg
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Hannobaal
Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.08 01:38:00 -
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Originally by: ArmyOfMe who cares
I certainly don't, to be honest. That's actually the whole point of this thread.
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Stahlregen
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.08 01:46:00 -
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Originally by: laotse dont make goons more stupid then they already are
I think we can all agree this is impossible.
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SpaceHonorNinjabot9000
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.08 01:54:00 -
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Finfleet is still the best corp in BoB.
Big ups to my man Jesus, SHNB9000
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Neuraxis Aeon
Extreme Addiction Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.02.08 01:58:00 -
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What I don't understand is why CCP don't have a built in system for kills in this game on your character sheet. There are so many different battle stats that could be collected per pilot in game which would make the basic Killboards look obsolete.
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HEY LISTEN
i swear this is true
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Posted - 2008.02.08 02:01:00 -
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Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 08/02/2008 02:01:57 Was there not a post the other day showing total losses for the top alliances and im sure it showed that goons had taken twice if not 3 times the losses that bob has let alone the whole coalition. Not only that but delve has yet to fall and goons/coalition have hardly been in the sort of wars against a numerical similar foe or somtimes actualy a bit larger.
I have ltiile doubt that now the numbers are so highly stacked against them that the K/D ratio of bob will drop but it is hardly a true reflection of how things realy were before 80% of 0.0 was sieging them.
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Splagada
Minmatar Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.08 02:03:00 -
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noone who went a bit into eve cares about k/d ratio mate ------
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HEY LISTEN
i swear this is true
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Posted - 2008.02.08 02:08:00 -
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Originally by: Splagada noone who went a bit into eve cares about k/d ratio mate
Buddy we have all seen hydra fight and tbh your a lot like goons cos if you did care about K/D ratios you would either quit the game or hang yourself.
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Adun Abstrusus
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Posted - 2008.02.08 02:09:00 -
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Every kill board will be off track until CCP decides to track this for us. CCP adding kills and losses to the character sheet was hopefully the first step in this process. I believe it is safe to say every alliance has those that do not put every kill or loss in their kill boards for many different reasons. Some are worse than others just like everything...There is a need and it is a very popular tool for every alliance. This would give them more eyes on their site and I would think that is one of their goals.
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HEY LISTEN
i swear this is true
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Posted - 2008.02.08 02:11:00 -
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Originally by: Adun Abstrusus Every kill board will be off track until CCP decides to track this for us. CCP adding kills and losses to the character sheet was hopefully the first step in this process. I believe it is safe to say every alliance has those that do not put every kill or loss in their kill boards for many different reasons. Some are worse than others just like everything...There is a need and it is a very popular tool for every alliance. This would give them more eyes on their site and I would think that is one of their goals.
Its stupid realy cos if the guy who got the last shot in gets a mail why not send one to a eve k/b and have it updated every 24 hours or at DT or summat. You could even include wars if it was done right.
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ED 209
Old Detroit Crime Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.02.08 02:25:00 -
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sweet a killboard discussion on caod. this will last longer than billy donovan's tenure with the orlando magic
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Splagada
Minmatar Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.08 02:25:00 -
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Edited by: Splagada on 08/02/2008 02:28:50
Originally by: HEY LISTEN
Originally by: Splagada noone who went a bit into eve cares about k/d ratio mate
Buddy we have all seen hydra fight and tbh your a lot like goons cos if you did care about K/D ratios you would either quit the game or hang yourself.
totally agree with the last sentence :D but that number is such wrong in so many ways. a ratter losing a raven to reds he didnt bother to check is a big hit on a k/d ratio. a suicide frig op is a hit too but that aint the same "stats"
anyway a horribly k/d ratio means theres room for improvement somehow, when your losses are stupid losses. that's our case. sadly those hide part of the rest, and i aint sure its bad news. ------
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Hannobaal
Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.08 02:30:00 -
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Originally by: HEY LISTEN Was there not a post the other day showing total losses for the top alliances and im sure it showed that goons had taken twice if not 3 times the losses that bob has let alone the whole coalition.
In terms of ISK value or just pure ship numbers?
Cause if I were to actually care about kills and losses in of themselves, I think I'd rather do well in the ISK war than to simply have more ships killed than ships lost. 5 tech 1 frigates lost to take down a battleship (for example) is a pure win for the frigates.
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HEY LISTEN
i swear this is true
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Posted - 2008.02.08 02:33:00 -
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Originally by: Hannobaal
Originally by: HEY LISTEN Was there not a post the other day showing total losses for the top alliances and im sure it showed that goons had taken twice if not 3 times the losses that bob has let alone the whole coalition.
In terms of ISK value or just pure ship numbers?
Cause if I were to actually care about kills and losses in of themselves, I think I'd rather do well in the ISK war than to simply have more ships killed than ships lost. 5 tech 1 frigates lost to take down a battleship (for example) is a pure win for the frigates.
I think it was ship losses or maybe both never the less i say it should be on actual ship losses cos if it was on isk instead then the t1 friggie gangs would look uber witch lets face it they aint.
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Illiom
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.02.08 02:33:00 -
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Blah forget the K/D Ratio... BoB is still where they want to be and always said they will be it it came to someone trying to take thier space... And in all this time you all (Alliances and bandwagon jumpers) have tried to do your worse to them and still they fly and remain an alliance!!! Oh and flame if you like but if you see the truth in it just say...True It won't kill you...tho BoB will
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Dog Solitude
Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.02.08 02:36:00 -
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Just to clarify, this thread is about goons pvp ability?
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