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Ong
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Posted - 2008.02.08 10:37:00 -
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Ok so Im just about to start doing lvl 4's did a few in a Maelstrom but it took ages as as soon as they get inside your optimal the damage drops way down. so I decided to get a Raven as it seems to be 'the' lvl 4 ship. I was wanting some input on the setup and figures please:
Rigs: ccc x3
Low: Capacitor Flux Coil II x3 Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I x2
Midd: X-Large Shield Booster II 5a Prototype Shield Boost Support I (will be tech 2 soon) Tech 2 Active rat specific hardener x4
High: XT-9000 Cruise Launcher x6 Either 200mm Vulcan Autocannon II x2 or x1 with a Drone Link augmentor I
This perma-runs and can tank 1194dps against Angels which is the main Rat where I mission, and does 2059 per volly. So what do you think? Will it be able to do most lvl 4's? |
Riho
Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2008.02.08 10:46:00 -
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there are 10000000002381984148172837128 raven threads allredy... plz plz look at any one of them...
like we need 10 raven for lvl4 threads every damn day.
no offence toward you m8 :) ---------------------------------- This is Me |
Solomon XI
Caldari Dawn of Chaos
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Posted - 2008.02.08 11:05:00 -
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Edited by: Solomon XI on 08/02/2008 11:06:02 Edited by: Solomon XI on 08/02/2008 11:05:30 You want a good level 4 Raven? Here, I'll give you MY set up. You'll <3 it after the first mission:
Highs: x6 Cruise/Torpedo
Mids: x1 XL Booster T2 x2 Shield Boost Amps T2 x3 Active Hardeners T2
Lows: x1 DCU T2 x1 BCU T2 x3 Power Diagnostic Systems T2
Drones: Mission Specific T2
Rigs: x3 CCC Rigs
Enjoy.
(EDIT) You have spare highs. I would fit some large NOS if you have the grid. I do.
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Phoenicia
Black Sea Industries Cult of War
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Posted - 2008.02.08 11:09:00 -
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Edited by: Phoenicia on 08/02/2008 11:10:24 I use:
HI: 6x Cruise Missile Launcher II 1x Tractor Beam
MID: 1x 100mn Afterburner II 1x XL Shield Booster II 2x specific active hardener II 1x Shield Boost Amp I 1x Cap Recharger II
LOW: 2x PDU II 2x BCU II 1x DCU II
RIGS: 2x EM resist 1x Thermal resist
875/875 cpu with my skills. Replace with named if needed. The only lvl 4 mission where I needed to warp out so far is The Assault, and that was only once.
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Solomon XI
Caldari Dawn of Chaos
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Posted - 2008.02.08 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Phoenicia Edited by: Phoenicia on 08/02/2008 11:10:24 I use:
HI: 6x Cruise Missile Launcher II 1x Tractor Beam
MID: 1x 100mn Afterburner II 1x XL Shield Booster II 2x specific active hardener II 1x Shield Boost Amp I 1x Cap Recharger II
LOW: 2x PDU II 2x BCU II 1x DCU II
RIGS: 2x EM resist 1x Thermal resist
875/875 cpu with my skills. Replace with named if needed. The only lvl 4 mission where I needed to warp out so far is The Assault, and that was only once.
An afterburner on a cruise raven? Wtf?
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Ong
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Posted - 2008.02.08 11:27:00 -
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Thanks for the replies guys, and if mine doesent work I'll try yours for sure, but I was kinda wanting comments on my setup, ie can it tank lvl 4's with a 1194 dps tank and can it do enough damage with 2059 a volly? Again thanks for the comments :)
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Xsag
Caldari SPECTRE Ops
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Posted - 2008.02.08 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ong Ok so Im just about to start doing lvl 4's did a few in a Maelstrom but it took ages as as soon as they get inside your optimal the damage drops way down. so I decided to get a Raven as it seems to be 'the' lvl 4 ship. I was wanting some input on the setup and figures please:
Rigs: ccc x3
Low: Capacitor Flux Coil II x3 Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I x2
Midd: X-Large Shield Booster II 5a Prototype Shield Boost Support I (will be tech 2 soon) Tech 2 Active rat specific hardener x4
High: XT-9000 Cruise Launcher x6 Either 200mm Vulcan Autocannon II x2 or x1 with a Drone Link augmentor I
This perma-runs and can tank 1194dps against Angels which is the main Rat where I mission, and does 2059 per volly. So what do you think? Will it be able to do most lvl 4's?
the immediate thing that jumps out at me is using power relays in the lows (which increase cap time) whilst having 3 ccc's in the rig slots seems counterproductive.
~n00b of all trades~ ~if im posting on here its cos im in work~ ~Now with a face!~
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Xsag
Caldari SPECTRE Ops
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Posted - 2008.02.08 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: Ong Thanks for the replies guys, and if mine doesent work I'll try yours for sure, but I was kinda wanting comments on my setup, ie can it tank lvl 4's with a 1194 dps tank and can it do enough damage with 2059 a volly? Again thanks for the comments :)
the problem i ALWAYS find with running lvl 4's with a raven is that it is extremely BAD and wiping out fr and quite bad at taking down cr, of which you will often find a large number of in quite a few lvl 4 missions - unless u have supreme drone skills i would suggest looking at the drake, your dps is fine...for BC's and BS's, the other thing to be aware of in lvl 4's is that you need to go about them a certain way if u take down the wrong ship in the wrong place then u can quite often aggro the whole room and at this point u will suddenly find that your tank wasnt as good as u thought it was. hope this helps.
~n00b of all trades~ ~if im posting on here its cos im in work~ ~Now with a face!~
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Phoenicia
Black Sea Industries Cult of War
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Posted - 2008.02.08 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: Solomon XI
An afterburner on a cruise raven? Wtf?
I *hate* having to fly back to an acceleration gate over 90km. I'll take a bit of a speed increase over none.
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illegal burrito
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Posted - 2008.02.08 13:43:00 -
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Your raven lacks of DPS, you should be able to do most level 4s if you don't mind doing it slower.
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Ong
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Posted - 2008.02.08 16:05:00 -
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Thanks guys, I did a lvl 4 today in it with someone else in a Drake that just killed the cruisers mainly while I did the bs's and frigs with the drones, it tanked absolutly fine never broke it atall the lowest it got was 96% then rebooted back to 100%. I've been doing lvl 3's for ages so I know about the guides and triggers and stuff like that (but thanks anyway). The Power Relays help with cap recharge rate, which goes along with the ccc's not against, its actually those that make the cap last forever. yeah the dps is quite low really, someone suggested I maybe go in with a drake and kill the cruisers and frigs with that, then come back with the raven for the Bs's. Im going to give one a go solo now as I know it can tank like 3 Bs's, 4 Bc's,6 cruiser and about 8 frigs, and I hope that most missions (if done properly) wont be much more then this at a time. |
Roy Gordon
Caldari The Star Wolves Aunni Ti Tsuun Consortium
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Posted - 2008.02.08 16:15:00 -
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This is the 'standard' Raven mission-runner setup-
Highs 6 x Arbalest Cruise 1 x Tractor Beam 1 x Heavy Dim Nos
Meds 1 x T2 X-Large SB 1 x T2 Cap Recharger 2 x T2 Rat Specific Shield Hardeners 2 x T2 Invul Fields
Lows 3 x T2 PDU 2 x T2 BCU or 2 x T2 PDU 2 x T2 BCU 1 x T2 DCU
Rigs 3 x CCC
Drones As many rat specific T2 light scouts as you can pack in!
Enjoy! That which does not kill us makes us stronger. The Universe is ruled by three basic principles- Matter, Energy and Enlightened Self-Interest! |
Xsag
Caldari SPECTRE Ops
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Posted - 2008.02.08 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: Ong
The Power Relays help with cap recharge rate, which goes along with the ccc's not against, its actually those that make the cap last forever.
ah sorry my bad i was thinking of the equivalent for shield relays (ridiculous shield recharge on the brain) :) glad your first lvl 4 went well, can i ask which mission it was (as you will find that they vary in difficulty by a very large amount)
~n00b of all trades~ ~if im posting on here its cos im in work~ ~Now with a face!~
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Ong
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Posted - 2008.02.08 16:35:00 -
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No worries man, there are so many modules that sound the same its easily done :) The mission was: Pirate Slaughter (Angel Cartel). The guy that did it with me said it was about average for lvl 4's, is this true? I know they can get allot harder with Worlds Collide for example though.... |
Ong
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Posted - 2008.02.08 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Roy Gordon This is the 'standard' Raven mission-runner setup-
Highs 6 x Arbalest Cruise 1 x Tractor Beam 1 x Heavy Dim Nos
Meds 1 x T2 X-Large SB 1 x T2 Cap Recharger 2 x T2 Rat Specific Shield Hardeners 2 x T2 Invul Fields
Lows 3 x T2 PDU 2 x T2 BCU or 2 x T2 PDU 2 x T2 BCU 1 x T2 DCU
Rigs 3 x CCC
Drones As many rat specific T2 light scouts as you can pack in!
Enjoy!
Ok so I put this in EFT with my skills, and I know this is the standard(ish) Raven setup, but for me the cap lasts for 3minutes and 30second, and can only tank 1000 dps, so how does that work? I have alright cap skills, with most being at lvl 4 or 5, so am I missing something? |
Lorz0r
You're Doing It Wrong
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Posted - 2008.02.08 17:03:00 -
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Edited by: Lorz0r on 08/02/2008 17:13:20
Originally by: Ong
Originally by: Roy Gordon This is the 'standard' Raven mission-runner setup-
Highs 6 x Arbalest Cruise 1 x Tractor Beam 1 x Heavy Dim Nos
Meds 1 x T2 X-Large SB 1 x T2 Cap Recharger 2 x T2 Rat Specific Shield Hardeners 2 x T2 Invul Fields
Lows 3 x T2 PDU 2 x T2 BCU or 2 x T2 PDU 2 x T2 BCU 1 x T2 DCU
Rigs 3 x CCC
Drones As many rat specific T2 light scouts as you can pack in!
Enjoy!
Ok so I put this in EFT with my skills, and I know this is the standard(ish) Raven setup, but for me the cap lasts for 3minutes and 30second, and can only tank 1000 dps, so how does that work? I have alright cap skills, with most being at lvl 4 or 5, so am I missing something?
It's called 'not leaving your shield booster on'
You COMPLETELY gimped your last setup just so you could permarun a shield booster. Instead make a good setup and micro-manage your XL SB
I only use my Raven for PVP but I have done alot of low-sec ratting and this is what I used.
High 6 Siege 2
Med XL SB2 2 x Rat specific Hardeners PWNAGE Target painter 100MN AB2 Shield boost amp2
Lows 2 BCU2 2 PDU2 1 Damage control2 (Prolly need to be a Co-Pro 2)
Rigs 3 x CCC
Need more tank then drop the TP or AB for cap rechargers and Siege 2's for Arby siege and fit a Damage control 2.
The thing I like about siege 2's is with a target painter you get brilliant DPS and some versatility since you can also use Javelins which can reach 40k+
But then again I don't know much about level 4's...
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Kel Solaar
Soulbound. Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2008.02.08 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Lorz0r
Originally by: Ong
Originally by: Roy Gordon This is the 'standard' Raven mission-runner setup-
Highs 6 x Arbalest Cruise 1 x Tractor Beam 1 x Heavy Dim Nos
Meds 1 x T2 X-Large SB 1 x T2 Cap Recharger 2 x T2 Rat Specific Shield Hardeners 2 x T2 Invul Fields
Lows 3 x T2 PDU 2 x T2 BCU or 2 x T2 PDU 2 x T2 BCU 1 x T2 DCU
Rigs 3 x CCC
Drones As many rat specific T2 light scouts as you can pack in!
Enjoy!
Ok so I put this in EFT with my skills, and I know this is the standard(ish) Raven setup, but for me the cap lasts for 3minutes and 30second, and can only tank 1000 dps, so how does that work? I have alright cap skills, with most being at lvl 4 or 5, so am I missing something?
It's called 'not leaving your shield booster on'
You COMPLETELY gimped your last setup just so you could permarun a shield booster. Instead make a good setup and micro-manage your XL SB
It can be nice to have permarunning Shield boost especially if u need to do something with your alt or RL stuff that need you to leave the ship in space :)
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Lorz0r
You're Doing It Wrong
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Posted - 2008.02.08 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Kel Solaar
Originally by: Lorz0r
Originally by: Ong
Originally by: Roy Gordon This is the 'standard' Raven mission-runner setup-
Highs 6 x Arbalest Cruise 1 x Tractor Beam 1 x Heavy Dim Nos
Meds 1 x T2 X-Large SB 1 x T2 Cap Recharger 2 x T2 Rat Specific Shield Hardeners 2 x T2 Invul Fields
Lows 3 x T2 PDU 2 x T2 BCU or 2 x T2 PDU 2 x T2 BCU 1 x T2 DCU
Rigs 3 x CCC
Drones As many rat specific T2 light scouts as you can pack in!
Enjoy!
Ok so I put this in EFT with my skills, and I know this is the standard(ish) Raven setup, but for me the cap lasts for 3minutes and 30second, and can only tank 1000 dps, so how does that work? I have alright cap skills, with most being at lvl 4 or 5, so am I missing something?
It's called 'not leaving your shield booster on'
You COMPLETELY gimped your last setup just so you could permarun a shield booster. Instead make a good setup and micro-manage your XL SB
It can be nice to have permarunning Shield boost especially if u need to do something with your alt or RL stuff that need you to leave the ship in space :)
Then do it with a Large Shield booster - XL is too much to permarun - you need a **** ton of cap recharge
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Ong
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Posted - 2008.02.08 17:35:00 -
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So use Siege's, a large shield booster and a pvp set-up..... forgive me if I dont try this tbh, not having a go but you can tell your a pvp'er and not a mission runner. But thanks for trying :) |
Lorz0r
You're Doing It Wrong
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Posted - 2008.02.08 17:41:00 -
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Edited by: Lorz0r on 08/02/2008 17:43:33
Originally by: Ong So use Siege's, a large shield booster and a pvp set-up..... forgive me if I dont try this tbh, not having a go but you can tell your a pvp'er and not a mission runner. But thanks for trying :)
that's not a pvp setup.
and yes if you really want to perma run a shield use a large one. you're just gimping your gank AND tank by using all your lows for cap recharge.
If you really want cruise missiles then use cruise missiles with the same setup (drop the AB and TP for more tank mods) - it's the same just less DPS and more range.
EDIT: Infact if you are going to use cruise missiles then fit 3 BCU's and drop a PDU. You NEED 3 BCU's for cruise missiles...never mind 0
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Jaja binx
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Posted - 2008.02.09 08:40:00 -
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What's a CCC?
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Solomon XI
Caldari Dawn of Chaos
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Posted - 2008.02.09 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: Jaja binx What's a CCC?
Capacitor Control Circuit I
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Kira Novia
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Posted - 2008.02.09 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: Phoenicia
Originally by: Solomon XI
An afterburner on a cruise raven? Wtf?
I *hate* having to fly back to an acceleration gate over 90km. I'll take a bit of a speed increase over none.
I *dont mind* it because I usually approach it right off the bat. If I have to go out a little ways, the trip to the gate is a great time to stretch, smoke something, and change music.
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Shereza
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Posted - 2008.02.11 09:23:00 -
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There's one major advantage to a perma-run setup.
If you turn it on before you warp into a mission, get partial or full room aggro, and your shields drop below 70% you know you're taking too much damage and might very well need to warp out if you don't kill enough of the incoming DPS fast enough.
Having said that, I personally love my raven's setup however it is very much not the typical build and, in fact, only works on the standard T1 raven.
6x cruise launchers 2x 250mm T2 railguns 6x cap recharger II 1x Large Armor Repair II 1x 'Accommodation' LAR 2x T2 Primary damage hardeners 1x T2 Secondary damage hardener 2x Auxilliary Nano Pump rigs 1x Cap Control Circuit rig
It's got a good/solid tank and the railguns do as much for raw DPS as adding a T2 BCU to my XT cruise launchers (I'm too cheap to use arbalest) would do.
It also, incidentally, is a very good setup for amarr/gallente/(some )minmatar players who are cross-training to the raven specifically for mission running and get the ship before they get the shield tank skills.
I personally fly most every T1 combat ship and can put weapons/tanks on all of them (mostly T1 weapons, but T2 tanks, excluding XL boosters and amps) so I sometimes mix and match unusual setups. In fact I've been thinking of trying to active shield tank my eos. It's just an idea I had the other day during a mission and the only reason I'd try to pull it off is because I've got siege warfare spec. trained up but not armored warfare spec.
Any rate, I wouldn't recommend my setup to any caldari pilot unless they're planning on cross-training to an armor tank race and in fact i'd only recommend it to people who get a lot of EM-heavy missions, like something different, and/or want a somewhat more cap-efficient permarun setup than some of the XL booster-based designs. ____________________
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