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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2008.02.19 01:01:00 -
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Edited by: marakor on 19/02/2008 01:06:05 Edited by: marakor on 19/02/2008 01:03:40 Edited by: marakor on 19/02/2008 01:02:26
Originally by: Yuki Nagato
Originally by: Havoc GunStar Please re-state your question in the form of a question.. that ... makes sense.
He's talking about DMC.
As far as I know RA scammed DMC which is apparently a horrible offense and entirely dishonourable and nobody has ever scammed anyone in the game ever. HONOUR.
Actualy his point was about how much ragoons and their allies are bestest buddies and not pets or slaves being mistreated or misused.
And also about how badly bob treated its allies/pets and how well RAGOON treats theres, so id say you and he fail unless you can show me a thread about bob stealing a titan from one of its pets/allies.
HEY LISTEN for ruler of eve. |
Sekhmet Orion
Mandatory Suicide Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.02.19 01:05:00 -
[62]
Originally by: marakor
And also how badly bob treated it allies and how well RAGOON treats theres, so id say you fail unless you can show me a thread about bob stealing a titan from one of its pets/allies.
err Shrike 2. I somehow doubt the pilot was very happy about handing over his Avatar to a guy who barely knows how to fly it.
Not quite a theft..but close enough
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2008.02.19 01:09:00 -
[63]
Edited by: marakor on 19/02/2008 01:11:06 Edited by: marakor on 19/02/2008 01:10:15
Originally by: Sekhmet Orion
Originally by: marakor
And also how badly bob treated it allies and how well RAGOON treats theres, so id say you fail unless you can show me a thread about bob stealing a titan from one of its pets/allies.
err Shrike 2. I somehow doubt the pilot was very happy about handing over his Avatar to a guy who barely knows how to fly it.
Not quite a theft..but close enough
Not theft at all considering they were in the same alliance and the way bob deploys its pvp ships.
But hey do not let the fact that it was a bob titan built by bob and used by bob pilots get in the way of your little fiction about it being the same as RA stealing one from a ally who was in the process of selling it to them.
HEY LISTEN for ruler of eve. |
Aprudena Gist
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.19 01:14:00 -
[64]
Originally by: marakor
Not theft at all considering they were in the same alliance and the way bob deploys its pvp ships.
But hey do not let the fact that it was a bob titan built by bob and used by bob pilots get in the way of your little fiction about it being the same as RA stealing one from a ally who was in the process of selling it to them.
you see the problem was DMC double cross RA and was going to start selling them to entities not blue to RA which wasn't approved of so they went squish.
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Sekhmet Orion
Mandatory Suicide Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.02.19 01:14:00 -
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Originally by: marakor
But hey do not let the fact that it was a bob titan built by bob and used by bob pilots get in the way of your little fiction about it being the same as RA stealing one.
Yeah my bad...complete fiction indeed. SirMolle aka Shrike did not rage demand another Titan after losing his in an attempt to DD frigates
My little fiction can be found in videos such as this
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2008.02.19 01:17:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Aprudena Gist
Originally by: marakor
Not theft at all considering they were in the same alliance and the way bob deploys its pvp ships.
But hey do not let the fact that it was a bob titan built by bob and used by bob pilots get in the way of your little fiction about it being the same as RA stealing one from a ally who was in the process of selling it to them.
you see the problem was DMC double cross RA and was going to start selling them to entities not blue to RA which wasn't approved of so they went squish.
My bad i did not realise that RAGOON had pets that were only allowed to build for them and their allies alone.
I thought it was only BOB that MADE SLAVES other alliances in eve and destroyed or evicted them if they disobeyed.................
HEY LISTEN for ruler of eve. |
BuIIseye
Amarr Pax Amarria Corp
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Posted - 2008.02.19 01:20:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Aprudena Gist
you see the problem was DMC double cross RA and was going to start selling them to entities not blue to RA which wasn't approved of so they went squish.
RA only wanted to put up a pos in their main system so it appears they have their capital fleet deployed somewhere else like they did with Smash and kill bob dreads anyway.
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Bane Glorious
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.19 01:23:00 -
[68]
do people out there still not realize that windypops is just a goon troll |
marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2008.02.19 01:24:00 -
[69]
Edited by: marakor on 19/02/2008 01:26:28
Originally by: Sekhmet Orion
Originally by: marakor
But hey do not let the fact that it was a bob titan built by bob and used by bob pilots get in the way of your little fiction about it being the same as RA stealing one.
Yeah my bad...complete fiction indeed. SirMolle aka Shrike did not rage demand another Titan after losing his in an attempt to DD frigates
My little fiction can be found in videos such as this
Im not saying that he did not want or get another titan nor do i care how he lost it. Im saying that getting another titan made by bob for bob is totaly differant to stealing one from another alliance you were supposed to buy it from.
And if the guy had objected to giving it him all he needed to do was say no and leave bob im sure plenty of alliances would have welcomed a titan pilot including his titan in their ranks.
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Yuki Nagato
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.19 01:26:00 -
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Originally by: marakor Actualy his point was about how much ragoons and their allies are bestest buddies and not pets or slaves being mistreated or misused.
And also how badly bob treated it allies and how well RAGOON treats theres, so id say you fail unless you can show me a thread about bob stealing a titan from one of its pets/allies.
RA and DMC weren't allies. The agreement between the two was that DMC would produce them Titan(s): this is the only reason DMC got "protectorate" status from RA. It was actually a clever scam by RA and it almost worked, but the Titan was returned to DMC by GMs. The general membership didn't know about that deal which is why everyone likes to villainize RA for "betraying allies", when all it really was is a business transaction that turned into a scam. It's not RA's fault DMC's leadership presented the business transaction as a kind of "strong lasting alliance." Nobody in the RSF as ever claimed to not use metagaming and scamming. How about we talk about the billions BoB stole from ASCN using their director-level spies and turncoats at the end of the "Pendulum War"?
If you're talking about the RSF as a whole (IAC, RA, UNL, GS, TCF specifically) then we all treat each other as separate sovereign entities and help each other when in need. Everyone pulled an equal share of weight according to their capabilities at the time to claim all of the regions shown on the map.
As for KOS, we actually attempted to help them shape up because many GS members liked them for what they did during BoB's C3 invasion. However, they just horded ISK farmers, and you couldn't go two jumps in GS-owned territory without seeing one, so we told them to cut the fat, because it was affecting the entire RSF as a whole. They did that, but then at the same time they placed themselves in the crosshairs of AAA, and the rest is history. (I'm not even sure you can group AAA with the RSF because they just tend to do their own thing, despite how much heavy lifting they did in Catch.)
As for Catch, it's a prime example of how the RSF looks out for each other: IAC was under attack, and so RA helped out in that region while TCF and GS dismantled BoB's southern pet empire in Feyth/Eso/Paragon Soul. While BoB was off in Catch (and Providence) getting "good fights", RISE, Digital Renegades, Interstellar Starbase Syndicate, Southern Coalition, Confederation of the Red Moon, Executive Outcomes and D-L were left to be slaughtered. And then after Catch was conquered (and abandoned by BoB after a single unfavourable engagement in FAT), they ran off to Period Basis and Fountain to get more "good fights" as they left their longest and closest ally, Firmus Ixion, to die at the hands of IRON/RAZOR and the rest of the Northern Coalition.
This is what we mean when we support our allies: RA/TCF/UNL/IAC and all of our many smaller allies that I am simply too tired to list have all helped us, and we have all helped them in return.
It's probably a foreign concept to you that many alliances could work together for a common goal. This is why BoB is now down to it's last region and how it's "Greater Community" has been shattered. BoB left their allies to die so they could get good fights in other regions.
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Yuki Nagato
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.19 01:26:00 -
[71]
Holy wall of text Batman.
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w0rmy
M. Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.02.19 01:30:00 -
[72]
Originally by: marakor But hey do not let the fact that it was a bob titan built by bob and used by bob pilots get in the way of your little fiction about it being the same as RA stealing one from a ally who was in the process of selling it to them.
We could talk about their fleet of sabres
Oh, my bad, that wasnt stealing from allies, that was stealing from the eve community as a whole
Originally by: CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.
Originally by: Dianabolic I was never sworn to secrecy, w0rmy, sorry to dissappoint you.
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Phantasmo
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.19 01:34:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Yuki Nagato
Originally by: marakor Actualy his point was about how much ragoons and their allies are bestest buddies and not pets or slaves being mistreated or misused.
And also how badly bob treated it allies and how well RAGOON treats theres, so id say you fail unless you can show me a thread about bob stealing a titan from one of its pets/allies.
RA and DMC weren't allies. The agreement between the two was that DMC would produce them Titan(s): this is the only reason DMC got "protectorate" status from RA. It was actually a clever scam by RA and it almost worked, but the Titan was returned to DMC by GMs. The general membership didn't know about that deal which is why everyone likes to villainize RA for "betraying allies", when all it really was is a business transaction that turned into a scam. It's not RA's fault DMC's leadership presented the business transaction as a kind of "strong lasting alliance." Nobody in the RSF as ever claimed to not use metagaming and scamming. How about we talk about the billions BoB stole from ASCN using their director-level spies and turncoats at the end of the "Pendulum War"?
If you're talking about the RSF as a whole (IAC, RA, UNL, GS, TCF specifically) then we all treat each other as separate sovereign entities and help each other when in need. Everyone pulled an equal share of weight according to their capabilities at the time to claim all of the regions shown on the map.
As for KOS, we actually attempted to help them shape up because many GS members liked them for what they did during BoB's C3 invasion. However, they just horded ISK farmers, and you couldn't go two jumps in GS-owned territory without seeing one, so we told them to cut the fat, because it was affecting the entire RSF as a whole. They did that, but then at the same time they placed themselves in the crosshairs of AAA, and the rest is history. (I'm not even sure you can group AAA with the RSF because they just tend to do their own thing, despite how much heavy lifting they did in Catch.)
As for Catch, it's a prime example of how the RSF looks out for each other: IAC was under attack, and so RA helped out in that region while TCF and GS dismantled BoB's southern pet empire in Feyth/Eso/Paragon Soul. While BoB was off in Catch (and Providence) getting "good fights", RISE, Digital Renegades, Interstellar Starbase Syndicate, Southern Coalition, Confederation of the Red Moon, Executive Outcomes and D-L were left to be slaughtered. And then after Catch was conquered (and abandoned by BoB after a single unfavourable engagement in FAT), they ran off to Period Basis and Fountain to get more "good fights" as they left their longest and closest ally, Firmus Ixion, to die at the hands of IRON/RAZOR and the rest of the Northern Coalition.
This is what we mean when we support our allies: RA/TCF/UNL/IAC and all of our many smaller allies that I am simply too tired to list have all helped us, and we have all helped them in return.
It's probably a foreign concept to you that many alliances could work together for a common goal. This is why BoB is now down to it's last region and how it's "Greater Community" has been shattered. BoB left their allies to die so they could get good fights in other regions.
tl;dr --------------------------------------------------- <AlthairErin> > well the positive thing about this here, is now I know how goons felt in syndicate =) |
marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2008.02.19 01:35:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Yuki Nagato Holy wall of text Batman.
Im not gonna read all that so il just say that you proly wrote a huge jusitification involving "real friends" and those you claim "temporary friends" that can be exploited or stolen from.
Let me guess your "real friends" are those that have lots of naps and could give your blob a good bit of competition and your "temporary friends" are those with lesser members and only naps with a few smaller alliances or your "real friends" who would back you in a fight?.
HEY LISTEN for ruler of eve. |
Havoc GunStar
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.19 01:36:00 -
[75]
Originally by: marakor
Actualy his point was about how much ragoons and their allies are bestest buddies and not pets or slaves being mistreated or misused.
And also about how badly bob treated its allies/pets and how well RAGOON treats theres, so id say you and he fail unless you can show me a thread about bob stealing a titan from one of its pets/allies.
You may have misunderstood that one. Fog of war and all that.
You reach for some bizzarre examples, Contrast GoonSwarm's relationship to TCF against BoB's relationship with RISE, for example. Out of curiousity, why don't you post with your main? Surely we've established this forum is utterly meaningless by now. |
marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2008.02.19 01:43:00 -
[76]
Edited by: marakor on 19/02/2008 01:43:52
Originally by: w0rmy
Originally by: marakor But hey do not let the fact that it was a bob titan built by bob and used by bob pilots get in the way of your little fiction about it being the same as RA stealing one from a ally who was in the process of selling it to them.
We could talk about their fleet of sabres
Oh, my bad, that wasnt stealing from allies, that was stealing from the eve community as a whole
Yea a whole sabre bpo and a t2 ammo bpo got by a couple of eve players thats realy betrayal of an ally ?????.
Id love for you to explain to me how that is the same as betraying an ally but hey from a member of an alliance that set mm and razor to blue while you allies were actualy fighting for your system i expect nothing but lies.
REMEMBER THIS?.
Originally by: eleuthereus
One of the most critical blows for me was finding out M. Pire had surrendered while we were engaged in active combat and suddenly ships started turning blue for everyone but Fatal/Cow. Surprise, surprise. Oooopsy.
Originally by: Velios Yes Eluthrius, it should never have been allowed to happen that way.
Your hardly sombody id ask to tell me how allies should behave.
HEY LISTEN for ruler of eve. |
Havoc GunStar
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.19 01:46:00 -
[77]
Hahahaa Eleuthereus oh man... what a card. |
Marko Zhang
Destructive Flatulence
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Posted - 2008.02.19 01:46:00 -
[78]
#1, lol at this thread. #2, doesn't a 'ultimatum' imply some consequences if you don't comply? from where I sit, I don't really see any.
--- THE WOUNDED TIGER IS DE TIGER BEFORE IT IS WOUNDED
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Ziester
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.19 02:07:00 -
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Originally by: Marko Zhang #1, lol at this thread. #2, doesn't a 'ultimatum' imply some consequences if you don't comply? from where I sit, I don't really see any.
He said he'd post threads like a "goon fanboi" if we don't comply. Regardless who's side he's on, all posts by Windypops are pretty horribly painful and I don't know if I can take any more.
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Nekumi
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.19 02:10:00 -
[80]
I can't in conscience speak on behalf of the entirety of my alliance General Windypops, but you have my pledge as an individual within Goonswarm to abide by your terms.
May peace and goodwill be spread throughout the entirety of Eve.
To each and every one of the members of Band of Brothers and their allies, I forgive you, I love you, I want to be in you.
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Exortius Amarrus
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.19 02:26:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Requiescat in before bob one-liners
Damn.
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Potato Judge
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.19 02:42:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Yuki Nagato
Originally by: marakor Actualy his point was about how much ragoons and their allies are bestest buddies and not pets or slaves being mistreated or misused.
And also how badly bob treated it allies and how well RAGOON treats theres, so id say you fail unless you can show me a thread about bob stealing a titan from one of its pets/allies.
RA and DMC weren't allies. The agreement between the two was that DMC would produce them Titan(s): this is the only reason DMC got "protectorate" status from RA. It was actually a clever scam by RA and it almost worked, but the Titan was returned to DMC by GMs. The general membership didn't know about that deal which is why everyone likes to villainize RA for "betraying allies", when all it really was is a business transaction that turned into a scam. It's not RA's fault DMC's leadership presented the business transaction as a kind of "strong lasting alliance." Nobody in the RSF as ever claimed to not use metagaming and scamming. How about we talk about the billions BoB stole from ASCN using their director-level spies and turncoats at the end of the "Pendulum War"?
If you're talking about the RSF as a whole (IAC, RA, UNL, GS, TCF specifically) then we all treat each other as separate sovereign entities and help each other when in need. Everyone pulled an equal share of weight according to their capabilities at the time to claim all of the regions shown on the map.
As for KOS, we actually attempted to help them shape up because many GS members liked them for what they did during BoB's C3 invasion. However, they just horded ISK farmers, and you couldn't go two jumps in GS-owned territory without seeing one, so we told them to cut the fat, because it was affecting the entire RSF as a whole. They did that, but then at the same time they placed themselves in the crosshairs of AAA, and the rest is history. (I'm not even sure you can group AAA with the RSF because they just tend to do their own thing, despite how much heavy lifting they did in Catch.)
As for Catch, it's a prime example of how the RSF looks out for each other: IAC was under attack, and so RA helped out in that region while TCF and GS dismantled BoB's southern pet empire in Feyth/Eso/Paragon Soul. While BoB was off in Catch (and Providence) getting "good fights", RISE, Digital Renegades, Interstellar Starbase Syndicate, Southern Coalition, Confederation of the Red Moon, Executive Outcomes and D-L were left to be slaughtered. And then after Catch was conquered (and abandoned by BoB after a single unfavourable engagement in FAT), they ran off to Period Basis and Fountain to get more "good fights" as they left their longest and closest ally, Firmus Ixion, to die at the hands of IRON/RAZOR and the rest of the Northern Coalition.
This is what we mean when we support our allies: RA/TCF/UNL/IAC and all of our many smaller allies that I am simply too tired to list have all helped us, and we have all helped them in return.
It's probably a foreign concept to you that many alliances could work together for a common goal. This is why BoB is now down to it's last region and how it's "Greater Community" has been shattered. BoB left their allies to die so they could get good fights in other regions.
Hydrosan post with your main better yet don't post at all.
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Kaldaine
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.19 02:54:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Yuki Nagato
Originally by: marakor Actualy his point was about how much ragoons and their allies are bestest buddies and not pets or slaves being mistreated or misused.
And also how badly bob treated it allies and how well RAGOON treats theres, so id say you fail unless you can show me a thread about bob stealing a titan from one of its pets/allies.
RA and DMC weren't allies. The agreement between the two was that DMC would produce them Titan(s): this is the only reason DMC got "protectorate" status from RA. It was actually a clever scam by RA and it almost worked, but the Titan was returned to DMC by GMs. The general membership didn't know about that deal which is why everyone likes to villainize RA for "betraying allies", when all it really was is a business transaction that turned into a scam. It's not RA's fault DMC's leadership presented the business transaction as a kind of "strong lasting alliance." Nobody in the RSF as ever claimed to not use metagaming and scamming. How about we talk about the billions BoB stole from ASCN using their director-level spies and turncoats at the end of the "Pendulum War"?
If you're talking about the RSF as a whole (IAC, RA, UNL, GS, TCF specifically) then we all treat each other as separate sovereign entities and help each other when in need. Everyone pulled an equal share of weight according to their capabilities at the time to claim all of the regions shown on the map.
As for KOS, we actually attempted to help them shape up because many GS members liked them for what they did during BoB's C3 invasion. However, they just horded ISK farmers, and you couldn't go two jumps in GS-owned territory without seeing one, so we told them to cut the fat, because it was affecting the entire RSF as a whole. They did that, but then at the same time they placed themselves in the crosshairs of AAA, and the rest is history. (I'm not even sure you can group AAA with the RSF because they just tend to do their own thing, despite how much heavy lifting they did in Catch.)
As for Catch, it's a prime example of how the RSF looks out for each other: IAC was under attack, and so RA helped out in that region while TCF and GS dismantled BoB's southern pet empire in Feyth/Eso/Paragon Soul. While BoB was off in Catch (and Providence) getting "good fights", RISE, Digital Renegades, Interstellar Starbase Syndicate, Southern Coalition, Confederation of the Red Moon, Executive Outcomes and D-L were left to be slaughtered. And then after Catch was conquered (and abandoned by BoB after a single unfavourable engagement in FAT), they ran off to Period Basis and Fountain to get more "good fights" as they left their longest and closest ally, Firmus Ixion, to die at the hands of IRON/RAZOR and the rest of the Northern Coalition.
This is what we mean when we support our allies: RA/TCF/UNL/IAC and all of our many smaller allies that I am simply too tired to list have all helped us, and we have all helped them in return.
It's probably a foreign concept to you that many alliances could work together for a common goal. This is why BoB is now down to it's last region and how it's "Greater Community" has been shattered. BoB left their allies to die so they could get good fights in other regions.
what a horrible post you should probably stop
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Mr Broker
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Posted - 2008.02.19 03:07:00 -
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Originally by: marakor Actualy his point was about how much ragoons and their allies are bestest buddies and not pets or slaves being mistreated or misused.
And also about how badly bob treated its allies/pets and how well RAGOON treats theres, so id say you and he fail unless you can show me a thread about bob stealing a titan from one of its pets/allies.
If the goonies have more allies, doesn't it mean that more people like them?
You don't need to theorize and calculate all sorts of stuff. Look at the current situation, speaks ample on goonies. They are better diplomats and allies.
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Hannobaal
Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.19 03:17:00 -
[85]
You know, if this thread had been made by a Goon with this kind of flame-bait against BoB, rather than a BoB alt troll baiting Goons, it would have been locked by the moderators before the end of the first page. Just sayin'...
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Alqualonde
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.19 03:51:00 -
[86]
As far as I can tell, the only point the OP makes is "stop making frigate blobs".
I don't know about you guys, but I go frigate blobbing all the time. It's working especially well in Delve.
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Darth Plague
Amarr Centurians
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Posted - 2008.02.19 04:01:00 -
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If they had a age restriction for playing or using eve forums ,say maby 10 years old that might work.But if they did there wouldnt be many goons :( Darth Plague
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Intukaki
Minmatar Arcane Technologies The Five
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Posted - 2008.02.19 04:09:00 -
[88]
This whole thread requires a
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Hannobaal
Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.19 04:13:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Intukaki This whole thread requires a
You didn't miss out on anything important.
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Yuki Nagato
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.19 04:40:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Intukaki This whole thread requires a
Why don't you double dip in the alliance tournament about it?
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