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General Windypops
Skullduggery Inc
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Posted - 2008.02.18 20:57:00 -
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Ok, pretty much any post I make seems to get Goons hot under the collar, but I'm hoping that this won't degenerate into yet another flamefest.
I'm writing an open ultimatum to Goonfleet to ask them to, once and for all, clean up their act.
One of the huge sadnesses about this 'Great War' is that it could and should have been the greatest, most compelling battle that Eve has EVER seen. It's got all the right ingredients - an age old rivalry, endless twists and turns, and even seizmic changes in our political landscape that see one side, then the other seem in control, and the tide seeming set to turn once again.
Yet rather than being a fascinating clash that once again confirms Eve as, in my view, the greatest online game by miles it's in danger of becoming 'epic' for all the wrong reasons.
Goonfleet have the potential to be an awesome power within Eve, and I'm sure they've got some decent pilots in there, even if they're rarely given the chance to fight effectively and they've sure as hell got the numbers. But the incessant use of noobships and other 'irrelevant' ships simply to create such ridiculous lag that tactics become impossible is ruining what could be some awesome fights. Your allies have more than enough firepower and numbers to win the battle and tbqh your playstyle is hindering rather than helping your cause.
I know that I can sometimes be a controvertial figure (due to my attempts to clean up the forums) and at times I, too, have been guilty of getting overheated on what should be a mature, informative and (at times) amusing addition to our experience of this game. But the odd bit of baiting and ridicule on my part is nothing compared to the juvenile postings, personal attacks, threadnoughts, metagaming and deliberate attempts to aggrevate non-RSF players by references to R/L occurences have SURELY got to stop.
That's why I'm making this open appeal to Goonfleet leadership to FINALLY take action and be accountable for the actions of their members.
This has nothing to do with who is fighting who - I think everyone is loving the pew pew - but it's to do with maturity, respect, and - ultimately - making the game a better place for us all.
And that's why I'm making this ultimatum to Gloomswarm. Please, in all sincerity, clean up your act and we can make this game a better place, and this war the greatest clash an MMO has ever seen.
And if you're wondering, dear Goon leadership, what's in it for you I'll be blunt. If you don't sort yourselves out I'm going to switch to become a Goon fanboi. Just imagine the horror of seeing Windypops posting on your behalf, day in, day out. Serously. Just imagine it...
(PS - I'd also welcome a war dec from Goonfleet. I know those who don't agree with what I say LOVE to call me an alt, but I think you'll find I'm really rather active in game...)
C'mon - enough of the F-U, more of the Pew Pew!!
~-= Winner of the COAD Buns of Steel award, 2006 and 2007 =-~
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Hannobaal
Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.18 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: General Windypops and the tide seeming set to turn once again.
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Junkie Beverage
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.18 20:59:00 -
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sweet words dude i love words if there is one thing that i am all about it would have to be words words are where its at and your post certainly has words so your post gets my stamp of approval as it contains words and as i have previously stated i am all about words
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Requiescat
True Foundation R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.02.18 21:00:00 -
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in before threadnought
in before bob one-liners
in before mitnal
good post though, i concur
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DudeManGuyBro
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.18 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: General Windypops
But the incessant use of noobships and other 'irrelevant' ships simply to create such ridiculous lag that tactics become impossible is ruining what could be some awesome fights.
Nice I like that part
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Hannobaal
Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.18 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: Requiescat good post though, i concur
Its' a troll post, and a very blatant one.
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toto moor
Eve Corporate Enterprise
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Posted - 2008.02.18 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: Hannobaal
Originally by: Requiescat good post though, i concur
Its' a troll post, and a very blatant one.
But its quite a long troll post doesnt that get Windy some brownie points
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Relaed
Minmatar Shadows of the Dead The Dawn of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.02.18 21:03:00 -
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You don't make an ultimatum starting with 'Please'
For too long the Goons have been ruining the game for most of the player base. But then, you shouldn't have expected anything else, that is their stated goal. Screw up eve-online, then move on. But the move-on part never seems to come.
How about this, Goondiots halt all expansion right now, call an armistice for 90 days, and reset standings.
If not, all non Goonswarm players set Goons to red, and attack them from every angle and shove them back down the hole from which they came.
Makes more sense to me.
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General Windypops
Skullduggery Inc
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Posted - 2008.02.18 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Hannobaal
Originally by: Requiescat good post though, i concur
Its' a troll post, and a very blatant one.
Quite the opposite. I'm actually trying to take some of the vitriol out of this war. It's an epic fight, and the incessant forum flaming has got a little tired. I'm genuinely suggesting that we cool things down on the forums, and keep it on the battlefield.
~-= Winner of the COAD Buns of Steel award, 2006 and 2007 =-~
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Hannobaal
Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.18 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: General Windypops
Originally by: Hannobaal
Originally by: Requiescat good post though, i concur
Its' a troll post, and a very blatant one.
Quite the opposite. I'm actually trying to take some of the vitriol out of this war. It's an epic fight, and the incessant forum flaming has got a little tired. I'm genuinely suggesting that we cool things down on the forums, and keep it on the battlefield.
You do know that you're actually neither convincing nor funny, right?
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DHB FooFighter
Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.02.18 21:15:00 -
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First side to get all their mains and especially alts to stop posting ****, especially **** like this thread, will be the ones who can take the moral high ground.
Until then its pretty much the pot calling the kettle black, to use the old cliche.
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Graalum
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.02.18 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: General Windypops
I know that I can sometimes be a controvertial figure (due to my attempts to clean up the forums)
yes this is why you are controvertial
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Vanessa LaiDai
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.18 21:37:00 -
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Edited by: Vanessa LaiDai on 18/02/2008 21:40:57
Originally by: General Windypops But the incessant use of noobships and other 'irrelevant' ships simply to create such ridiculous lag that tactics become impossible is ruining what could be some awesome fights.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=FWDToagK3WE
Also apparently you don't know how we got our first dread kill. And the ones during the XZH campaign.
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Marian Finucane
I threw petrol on the fire and now I have no arms
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Posted - 2008.02.18 21:40:00 -
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Havoc GunStar
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.18 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: General Windypops But the incessant use of noobships and other 'irrelevant' ships simply to create such ridiculous lag that tactics become impossible is ruining what could be some awesome fights.
Of course, even BoB's killboard doesn't bear this out.
I have an idea, why don't you look up 'ultimatum'. Nice bait though, asking us to be more serious, in a video game war with people who take themselves too seriously. |
Brobuck
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.18 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: General Windypops
But the odd bit of baiting and ridicule on my part is nothing compared to the juvenile postings, personal attacks, threadnoughts, metagaming and deliberate attempts to aggrevate non-RSF players
First off, you may want to rethink that sentence structure. Secondly, who are you to determine what is more hurtful? Maybe that odd bit of baiting and ridicule you do hurts someones feelings more than you know? You seem to imply that even though you're throwing stones at a glass house, your stones are smaller, so the impact less great.
I suggest that by participating in such an act, you make yourself as guilty as the greatest adherent of such tactics. It seems that you don't care to practice what you preach, and are willing to threaten those who won't clean up their act, while you leave dirt and suffering in your wake.
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General Windypops
Skullduggery Inc
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Posted - 2008.02.18 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Brobuck
Originally by: General Windypops
But the odd bit of baiting and ridicule on my part is nothing compared to the juvenile postings, personal attacks, threadnoughts, metagaming and deliberate attempts to aggrevate non-RSF players
First off, you may want to rethink that sentence structure. Secondly, who are you to determine what is more hurtful? Maybe that odd bit of baiting and ridicule you do hurts someones feelings more than you know? You seem to imply that even though you're throwing stones at a glass house, your stones are smaller, so the impact less great.
I suggest that by participating in such an act, you make yourself as guilty as the greatest adherent of such tactics. It seems that you don't care to practice what you preach, and are willing to threaten those who won't clean up their act, while you leave dirt and suffering in your wake.
No, I mock people for weak posting and illogical arguments. I don't post mocking comments in threads about r/l deaths.
~-= Winner of the COAD Buns of Steel award, 2006 and 2007 =-~
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Tevlent
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.18 21:58:00 -
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Edited by: Tevlent on 18/02/2008 21:58:26 These useless troll topics are a blatant affront to the ideals that all goonkind take to heart. This cannot stand.
By the way, we do not fly T1 frigs by choice..it is all that we can afford/are skilled to fly.
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Havoc GunStar
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.18 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: General Windypops
No, I mock people for weak posting and illogical arguments. I don't post mocking comments in threads about r/l deaths.
Irony, ITT. |
marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2008.02.18 22:02:00 -
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Edited by: marakor on 18/02/2008 22:03:50
Originally by: Havoc GunStar
Originally by: General Windypops But the incessant use of noobships and other 'irrelevant' ships simply to create such ridiculous lag that tactics become impossible is ruining what could be some awesome fights.
Of course, even BoB's killboard doesn't bear this out.
I have an idea, why don't you look up 'ultimatum'. Nice bait though, asking us to be more serious, in a video game war with people who take themselves too seriously.
So let me get this right?.
1. you built a multi multi thousand member alliance
2. you spammed out of game forums and blackmailed the game creators to get changes to help you take an alliances space
3. you napped most of eve to try to take the same alliances space when you know it cannot be done from your own history
4. you seem to spam this forum everytime you so much as shoot at summat owned by bob
5. you are willing in the future to drop any wars your in to stop this alliance from holding space again
AND YOU WANT US TO BELIEVE ITS BOB WHO TAKE THEMSELVES AND THE GAME TOO SERIOUSLY
HEY LISTEN for ruler of eve. |
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Natural High
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Posted - 2008.02.18 22:02:00 -
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Edited by: Natural High on 18/02/2008 22:02:46 Tbh Windy props you try way to hard to get attention to yoursef. If you instead made a post with a link to your main youd get better responses. Atleast Goons have the balls to post with their mains. Also I heard BoB+Co. hates you too so that puts you where exactly? Oh right you have no point nor opinion that matters
Btw Reporting everyone who responds is pretty lame. M main is Orar Ironfist but you got him banned cause you didnt like the truth thrown at ya
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Tevlent
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.18 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: marakor
So let me get this right?.
1. you built a multi multi thousand member alliance
2. you spammed out of game forums and blackmailed the game creators to get changes to help you take an alliances space
3. you napped most of eve to try to the same alliance when you know it cannot be done from your own history
4. you seem to spam this forum everytime you so much as shoot at summat owned by bob
5. you are willing in the future to drop any wars your in to stop this alliance from holding space again
AND YOU WANT US TO BELIEVE ITS BOB WHO TAKE THEMSELVES AND THE GAME TOO SERIOUSLY
Pretty much, yeah.
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General Windypops
Skullduggery Inc
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Posted - 2008.02.18 22:05:00 -
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Edited by: General Windypops on 18/02/2008 22:06:39 I've never reported a single player in this game or on these forums. I'd like to think that most people's common sense is enough of a moderator.
Nice try though.
BTW - the 'Windy is an alt' claim is getting pretty out of date. Add me to my buddy list or (better still) war dec me - you'll soon find out if I'm an alt or not.
*waves internet fist*
~-= Winner of the COAD Buns of Steel award, 2006 and 2007 =-~
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2008.02.18 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: Tevlent
Originally by: marakor
So let me get this right?.
1. you built a multi multi thousand member alliance
2. you spammed out of game forums and blackmailed the game creators to get changes to help you take an alliances space
3. you napped most of eve to try to the same alliance when you know it cannot be done from your own history
4. you seem to spam this forum everytime you so much as shoot at summat owned by bob
5. you are willing in the future to drop any wars your in to stop this alliance from holding space again
AND YOU WANT US TO BELIEVE ITS BOB WHO TAKE THEMSELVES AND THE GAME TOO SERIOUSLY
Pretty much, yeah.
Considering your a goon it will not upset you to learn that you fail again then will it?.
HEY LISTEN for ruler of eve. |
Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.02.18 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: Havoc GunStar
Originally by: General Windypops
No, I mock people for weak posting and illogical arguments. I don't post mocking comments in threads about r/l deaths.
Irony, ITT.
Over nine thousand irony ITT.
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
Adirawin
Gallente Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.02.18 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: Marian Finucane
Nomi Klaus Noooooooooooooooo
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Blinders
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.02.18 22:15:00 -
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Forum Quality Control Engineer Junior Grade Windypops is getting Goons hot under the collar with yet another controvertial post.
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Havoc GunStar
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.18 22:18:00 -
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Originally by: marakor
So let me get this right?.
1. you built a multi multi thousand member alliance
Well, our corp was tipping well over 1000 before any of this started, but yes. We have allied with a LOT of people who seem to all have pretty much the same goals. Don't look at us, maybe BoB should make fewer enemies.
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2. you spammed out of game forums and blackmailed the game creators to get changes to help you take an alliances space
Incorrect, but nice smear.
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3. you napped most of eve to try to take the same alliances space when you know it cannot be done from your own history
We get by with a little help from our FRIENDS. You know, as opposed to SLAVES.
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4. you seem to spam this forum everytime you so much as shoot at summat owned by bob
I've made about 8 posts in 6 months. Is that really spam? Yes, there are a lot of us. We are a big community. If we all tried to post, the forum software here would be in big trouble.
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5. you are willing in the future to drop any wars your in to stop this alliance from holding space again
Maybe. If the directors say so, sure. Are you one of our directors? Have we always been at war with Eurasia today? Will we always be at war with Oceana tomorrow? Who knows! \/ That's part of the fun of the game.
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AND YOU WANT US TO BELIEVE ITS BOB WHO TAKE THEMSELVES AND THE GAME TOO SERIOUSLY
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Yuki Nagato
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.18 22:19:00 -
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Well I'm convinced.
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Yuki Nagato
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.18 22:19:00 -
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Wait, no I'm not.
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arghy steelwill
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.18 22:28:00 -
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Hahaha if anyones wondering why the obvious flame bait, BoB has engaged GS in a petition war where they petition anything they can to attempt to get us banned and of course CCP obliged them. The mighty BoB haveing to resort to crying to CCP because they cant defend any of their systems and the fair CCP looking at the problem with a fair and balanced view.
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Scatim Helicon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.18 22:48:00 -
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Posting to lag out the forums and mock your dead relatives.
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Marian Finucane
I threw petrol on the fire and now I have no arms
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Posted - 2008.02.18 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: Scatim Helicon Posting to lag out the forums and mock your dead relatives.
Thats edgy
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Scatim Helicon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.18 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: Marian Finucane
Originally by: Scatim Helicon Posting to lag out the forums and mock your dead relatives.
Thats edgy
I've set a long skill training just in case XD
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WraithFire
Cassandra's Light
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Posted - 2008.02.18 22:58:00 -
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The OP is hardly in a position to make an ultimatum against a potential opponent that can easily crush you. BTW in making ultimatums, do not say please. mmmkay
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Hardtail
Red Dawn Empire
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Posted - 2008.02.18 22:59:00 -
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Edited by: Hardtail on 18/02/2008 22:59:38
Originally by: General Windypops Ok, pretty much any post I make seems to get Goons hot under the collar, but I'm hoping that this won't degenerate into yet another flamefest.
I'm writing an open ultimatum to Goonfleet to ask them to, once and for all, clean up their act.
One of the huge sadnesses about this 'Great War' is that it could and should have been the greatest, most compelling battle that Eve has EVER seen. It's got all the right ingredients - an age old rivalry, endless twists and turns, and even seizmic changes in our political landscape that see one side, then the other seem in control, and the tide seeming set to turn once again.
Yet rather than being a fascinating clash that once again confirms Eve as, in my view, the greatest online game by miles it's in danger of becoming 'epic' for all the wrong reasons.
Goonfleet have the potential to be an awesome power within Eve, and I'm sure they've got some decent pilots in there, even if they're rarely given the chance to fight effectively and they've sure as hell got the numbers. But the incessant use of noobships and other 'irrelevant' ships simply to create such ridiculous lag that tactics become impossible is ruining what could be some awesome fights. Your allies have more than enough firepower and numbers to win the battle and tbqh your playstyle is hindering rather than helping your cause.
I know that I can sometimes be a controvertial figure (due to my attempts to clean up the forums) and at times I, too, have been guilty of getting overheated on what should be a mature, informative and (at times) amusing addition to our experience of this game. But the odd bit of baiting and ridicule on my part is nothing compared to the juvenile postings, personal attacks, threadnoughts, metagaming and deliberate attempts to aggrevate non-RSF players by references to R/L occurences have SURELY got to stop.
That's why I'm making this open appeal to Goonfleet leadership to FINALLY take action and be accountable for the actions of their members.
This has nothing to do with who is fighting who - I think everyone is loving the pew pew - but it's to do with maturity, respect, and - ultimately - making the game a better place for us all.
And that's why I'm making this ultimatum to Gloomswarm. Please, in all sincerity, clean up your act and we can make this game a better place, and this war the greatest clash an MMO has ever seen.
And if you're wondering, dear Goon leadership, what's in it for you I'll be blunt. If you don't sort yourselves out I'm going to switch to become a Goon fanboi. Just imagine the horror of seeing Windypops posting on your behalf, day in, day out. Serously. Just imagine it...
(PS - I'd also welcome a war dec from Goonfleet. I know those who don't agree with what I say LOVE to call me an alt, but I think you'll find I'm really rather active in game...)
C'mon - enough of the F-U, more of the Pew Pew!!
who the heck is gloomswarm?
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Mo Steel
Caldari Sanguis vix Dignatio
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Posted - 2008.02.18 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: Scatim Helicon
Originally by: Marian Finucane
Originally by: Scatim Helicon Posting to lag out the forums and mock your dead relatives.
Thats edgy
I've set a long skill training just in case XD
#1 Daredevil
Also, I lol'd at this thread. -----
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kirintar
Bump bump PEW PEW
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Posted - 2008.02.18 23:04:00 -
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The op is fail and this thread is full of over sensitive cry babies that take posts on an internet spaceships forum to seriously. I think you need to take off your skirts and harden the **** up. Seriously. --- Delicious salty tears |
Marian Finucane
I threw petrol on the fire and now I have no arms
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Posted - 2008.02.18 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: kirintar The op is fail and this thread is full of over sensitive cry babies that take posts on an internet spaceships forum to seriously. I think you need to take off your skirts and harden the **** up. Seriously.
I'm pretty hard right now.
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2008.02.18 23:21:00 -
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Edited by: marakor on 18/02/2008 23:22:37
Originally by: arghy steelwill Hahaha if anyones wondering why the obvious flame bait, BoB has engaged GS in a petition war where they petition anything they can to attempt to get us banned and of course CCP obliged them. The mighty BoB haveing to resort to crying to CCP because they cant defend any of their systems and the fair CCP looking at the problem with a fair and balanced view.
OMFG next thing you know they will spam out of game forums and start a threadnaught to blackmail ccp into nerfing aspects of the game so they can win space.
Maybe not, cos only a real low life alliance would do that.............
HEY LISTEN for ruler of eve. |
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Aprudena Gist
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.18 23:31:00 -
[41]
Originally by: marakor Edited by: marakor on 18/02/2008 23:22:37
Originally by: arghy steelwill Hahaha if anyones wondering why the obvious flame bait, BoB has engaged GS in a petition war where they petition anything they can to attempt to get us banned and of course CCP obliged them. The mighty BoB haveing to resort to crying to CCP because they cant defend any of their systems and the fair CCP looking at the problem with a fair and balanced view.
OMFG next thing you know they will spam out of game forums and start a threadnaught to blackmail ccp into nerfing aspects of the game so they can win space.
Maybe not, cos only a real low life alliance would do that.............
we only did that cause of T20 and cheating.
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Zorlag
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.18 23:39:00 -
[42]
Originally by: marakor Edited by: marakor on 18/02/2008 23:22:37
Originally by: arghy steelwill Hahaha if anyones wondering why the obvious flame bait, BoB has engaged GS in a petition war where they petition anything they can to attempt to get us banned and of course CCP obliged them. The mighty BoB haveing to resort to crying to CCP because they cant defend any of their systems and the fair CCP looking at the problem with a fair and balanced view.
OMFG next thing you know they will spam out of game forums and start a threadnaught to blackmail ccp into nerfing aspects of the game so they can win space.
Maybe not, cos only a real low life alliance would do that.............
Hey marakor do you want to talk about that portrait pack that we had
you know, that out-of-game illegal mod that allowed us to see at a glance who was red and who was blue from chat windows without having to check info every time
do you want to talk about that marakor or do i have the wrong troll, i forget sometimes
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Sekhmet Orion
Mandatory Suicide Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.02.18 23:50:00 -
[43]
Originally by: General Windypops
I'm writing an open ultimatum to Goonfleet to ask them to, once and for all, clean up their act.
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Won't happen...so please stop posting you flatulent armchair general.
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Red Doom
Red.
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Posted - 2008.02.18 23:52:00 -
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Originally by: General Windypops ... the incessant use of noobships and other 'irrelevant' ships simply to create such ridiculous lag that tactics become impossible is ruining what could be some awesome fights. Your allies have more than enough firepower and numbers to win the battle and tbqh your playstyle is hindering rather than helping your cause.
It seems to me (as a noob in Empire space) that what underpins the maddening lag-fest that large-scale combat can be is not Goonswarm per se but the mechanics of the game. Organizations of players will always come and go but the mechanics of any game are always there to stay. If a game effectively breaks when XXX numbers of players meet then itÆs the mechanics that need to be altered.
Whats the validity in complaining about noobships? Could be that each of those noobships has a noob player in it that wants a taste of 0.0, which IMO is a valid reason for them to be there irrespective of what the effects on the game are. Worst case, could be that people who are capable of bringing a sledgehammer of a ship to the battle are told instead to bring a rubber mallet simply because its more important they be there to create lag for yet more powerful players, which IMO is NOT a valid reason to be there and is simply an exploit of mechanics. I donÆt know, but either way itÆs still the mechanics that fail.
As someone who has signed up to Eve for the long haul I donÆt really fancy arriving at a point in end-game play where the most interesting part of Eve is watching a frozen session loading screen for 10 minutes only to eventually load up in a new clone a dozen systems away.
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Dyson
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.19 00:14:00 -
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Originally by: Red Doom
Originally by: General Windypops ... the incessant use of noobships and other 'irrelevant' ships simply to create such ridiculous lag that tactics become impossible is ruining what could be some awesome fights. Your allies have more than enough firepower and numbers to win the battle and tbqh your playstyle is hindering rather than helping your cause.
It seems to me (as a noob in Empire space) that what underpins the maddening lag-fest that large-scale combat can be is not Goonswarm per se but the mechanics of the game. Organizations of players will always come and go but the mechanics of any game are always there to stay. If a game effectively breaks when XXX numbers of players meet then itÆs the mechanics that need to be altered.
Whats the validity in complaining about noobships? Could be that each of those noobships has a noob player in it that wants a taste of 0.0, which IMO is a valid reason for them to be there irrespective of what the effects on the game are. Worst case, could be that people who are capable of bringing a sledgehammer of a ship to the battle are told instead to bring a rubber mallet simply because its more important they be there to create lag for yet more powerful players, which IMO is NOT a valid reason to be there and is simply an exploit of mechanics. I donÆt know, but either way itÆs still the mechanics that fail.
As someone who has signed up to Eve for the long haul I donÆt really fancy arriving at a point in end-game play where the most interesting part of Eve is watching a frozen session loading screen for 10 minutes only to eventually load up in a new clone a dozen systems away.
Seconding this. The game lets us deploy an unlimited number of people in the game, so it's far from an exploitive tactic, and more that the game was poorly designed. Most games take into account the fact that you can only send and receive so much data without crashing; 64 player limits on most FPS games, Planetside had a population cap on each continent, Pirates of the Burning Sea allows only so many to be in a single fight at a time, so on and so forth.
But CCP seems to have forgone common sense to help provide a unique game experience, and now they are paying for it as the servers cannot handle what is happening. They further agitate the issue by providing ships which can destroy entire fleets, ships which can deploy several times their number of new entities which now have to be tracked, and ships which take an impressive fleet of non capital ships to destroy. So the issue really isn't one of what tactics we use, it's one of an attempt at a unique game design that wasn't thought through fully collapsing in on itself.
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2008.02.19 00:14:00 -
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Originally by: Zorlag
Originally by: marakor Edited by: marakor on 18/02/2008 23:22:37
Originally by: arghy steelwill Hahaha if anyones wondering why the obvious flame bait, BoB has engaged GS in a petition war where they petition anything they can to attempt to get us banned and of course CCP obliged them. The mighty BoB haveing to resort to crying to CCP because they cant defend any of their systems and the fair CCP looking at the problem with a fair and balanced view.
OMFG next thing you know they will spam out of game forums and start a threadnaught to blackmail ccp into nerfing aspects of the game so they can win space.
Maybe not, cos only a real low life alliance would do that.............
Hey marakor do you want to talk about that portrait pack that we had
you know, that out-of-game illegal mod that allowed us to see at a glance who was red and who was blue from chat windows without having to check info every time
do you want to talk about that marakor or do i have the wrong troll, i forget sometimes
I have no idea what you are talking about tbqh.
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Nick Curso
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.19 00:14:00 -
[47]
Edited by: Nick Curso on 19/02/2008 00:15:18
Originally by: Havoc GunStar
We get by with a little help from our FRIENDS. You know, as opposed to SLAVES.
Just quoting this for the next time there our allies to suit a goonie argument :p Please do not post pictures of players in your sig - Mitnal |
Sekhmet Orion
Mandatory Suicide Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.02.19 00:21:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Nick Curso
Just quoting this for the next time there our allies to suit a goonie argument :p
The pen mightier than the sword?
Let's hope so..for your sake
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Nick Curso
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.19 00:23:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Sekhmet Orion
Originally by: Nick Curso
Just quoting this for the next time there our allies to suit a goonie argument :p
The pen mightier than the sword?
Let's hope so..for your sake
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Cippalippus Primus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.19 00:26:00 -
[50]
Hey nick o/ I'm confused about this thread, what would you do in our shoes? Be sincere please. -clp
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Doddy
Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.02.19 00:28:00 -
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Originally by: Red Doom Could be that each of those noobships has a noob player in it that wants a taste of 0.0, which IMO is a valid reason for them to be there irrespective of what the effects on the game are.
Seriously you are out of noobships an hour into this game tops, a lot less if you make a combat character. And if you are really noob then at that point you are still trying to figure out what is going on, not joining a 0.0 alliance and going to kill titans/dreads/pos' whatever. When the noobships in question are unfitted apart from a civi railgun then u gotta say they shouldn't be there personally i have only seen noobships deliberately used in combat by the coalition on one occaission (and the node crash may have cost them a titan kill on that occaission so lol)so i think people bang on about it a bit much.
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2008.02.19 00:32:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Havoc GunStar
We get by with a little help from our FRIENDS. You know, as opposed to SLAVES.
So do you deine a friend as somebody you try to steal a titan from or is that just how RA defines friendship cos you say that you are very close to them and claim to be uber brosefs?.
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Nick Curso
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.19 00:34:00 -
[53]
Edited by: Nick Curso on 19/02/2008 00:35:10
Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Hey nick o/ I'm confused about this thread, what would you do in our shoes? Be sincere please.
o/ cippa,
This is indeed a toughy, not being brave enough myself to turn down an ultimatum from the controversial major General Windypoos with his obviously vast experience in leading alliances to greatness, come on anyone who names themselves General must be important right? I would bow to his demand and do as he wishes.
I wish you the best of luck under the reign of the Almighty overlord Major General P0ops
Take care of yourself,
Sincerely
Nick
xxx
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Ohmylawd p0ops is apparently a naughty word Please do not post pictures of players in your sig - Mitnal |
ceyriot
Minmatar Crimson Rebellion
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Posted - 2008.02.19 00:37:00 -
[54]
props to windy ----- CEO - Crimson Rebellion
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Cippalippus Primus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.19 00:39:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Nick Curso
o/ cippa,
This is indeed a toughy, not being brave enough myself to turn down an ultimatum from the controversial major General Windypoos with his obviously vast experience in leading alliances to greatness, come on anyone who names themselves General must be important right? I would bow to his demand and do as he wishes.
I wish you the best of luck under the reign of the Almighty overlord Major General P0ops
Take care of yourself,
Sincerely
Nick
xxx
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Ohmylawd p0ops is apparently a naughty word
This is a pretty important matter and I need to ponder on it before making a final decision. Thanks for your advice. :-***** and much <3 Sincerely yours Cippa -clp
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General Windypops
Skullduggery Inc
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Posted - 2008.02.19 00:43:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Nick Curso anyone who names themselves General must be important right?
I'm still trying to work out if General Starscream outranks me. Then again, I'm fairly sure he's not a REAL General.
~-= Winner of the COAD Buns of Steel award, 2006 and 2007 =-~
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2008.02.19 00:46:00 -
[57]
Originally by: General Windypops
Originally by: Nick Curso anyone who names themselves General must be important right?
I'm still trying to work out if General Starscream outranks me. Then again, I'm fairly sure he's not a REAL General.
I worked with a fella from africa who moved here with his parents called "colonel nelson" he was a great chap and told me that his parents named him before they had learned our langauge properly.
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Havoc GunStar
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.19 00:49:00 -
[58]
Originally by: marakor
Originally by: Havoc GunStar
We get by with a little help from our FRIENDS. You know, as opposed to SLAVES.
So do you deine a friend as somebody you try to steal a titan from or is that just how RA defines friendship cos you say that you are very close to them and claim to be uber brosefs?.
Please re-state your question in the form of a question.. that ... makes sense. |
marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2008.02.19 00:54:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Havoc GunStar
Originally by: marakor
Originally by: Havoc GunStar
We get by with a little help from our FRIENDS. You know, as opposed to SLAVES.
So do you define a friend as somebody you try to steal a titan from or is that just how RA defines friendship cos you say that you are very close to them and claim to be uber brosefs?.
Please re-state your question in the form of a question.. that ... makes sense.
It seems quite understandable to me but hey if you wanna plead ignorance or no abla englais to avoid answering.....................
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Sekhmet Orion
Mandatory Suicide Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.02.19 01:01:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Nick Curso
This is indeed a toughy, not being brave enough myself to turn down an ultimatum from the controversial major General Windypoos with his obviously vast experience in leading alliances to greatness, come on anyone who names themselves General must be important right? I would bow to his demand and do as he wishes.
I'm not a teacher, but as a student of comedy, I have to admit...thats pretty funny
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2008.02.19 01:01:00 -
[61]
Edited by: marakor on 19/02/2008 01:06:05 Edited by: marakor on 19/02/2008 01:03:40 Edited by: marakor on 19/02/2008 01:02:26
Originally by: Yuki Nagato
Originally by: Havoc GunStar Please re-state your question in the form of a question.. that ... makes sense.
He's talking about DMC.
As far as I know RA scammed DMC which is apparently a horrible offense and entirely dishonourable and nobody has ever scammed anyone in the game ever. HONOUR.
Actualy his point was about how much ragoons and their allies are bestest buddies and not pets or slaves being mistreated or misused.
And also about how badly bob treated its allies/pets and how well RAGOON treats theres, so id say you and he fail unless you can show me a thread about bob stealing a titan from one of its pets/allies.
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Sekhmet Orion
Mandatory Suicide Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.02.19 01:05:00 -
[62]
Originally by: marakor
And also how badly bob treated it allies and how well RAGOON treats theres, so id say you fail unless you can show me a thread about bob stealing a titan from one of its pets/allies.
err Shrike 2. I somehow doubt the pilot was very happy about handing over his Avatar to a guy who barely knows how to fly it.
Not quite a theft..but close enough
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2008.02.19 01:09:00 -
[63]
Edited by: marakor on 19/02/2008 01:11:06 Edited by: marakor on 19/02/2008 01:10:15
Originally by: Sekhmet Orion
Originally by: marakor
And also how badly bob treated it allies and how well RAGOON treats theres, so id say you fail unless you can show me a thread about bob stealing a titan from one of its pets/allies.
err Shrike 2. I somehow doubt the pilot was very happy about handing over his Avatar to a guy who barely knows how to fly it.
Not quite a theft..but close enough
Not theft at all considering they were in the same alliance and the way bob deploys its pvp ships.
But hey do not let the fact that it was a bob titan built by bob and used by bob pilots get in the way of your little fiction about it being the same as RA stealing one from a ally who was in the process of selling it to them.
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Aprudena Gist
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.19 01:14:00 -
[64]
Originally by: marakor
Not theft at all considering they were in the same alliance and the way bob deploys its pvp ships.
But hey do not let the fact that it was a bob titan built by bob and used by bob pilots get in the way of your little fiction about it being the same as RA stealing one from a ally who was in the process of selling it to them.
you see the problem was DMC double cross RA and was going to start selling them to entities not blue to RA which wasn't approved of so they went squish.
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Sekhmet Orion
Mandatory Suicide Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.02.19 01:14:00 -
[65]
Originally by: marakor
But hey do not let the fact that it was a bob titan built by bob and used by bob pilots get in the way of your little fiction about it being the same as RA stealing one.
Yeah my bad...complete fiction indeed. SirMolle aka Shrike did not rage demand another Titan after losing his in an attempt to DD frigates
My little fiction can be found in videos such as this
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2008.02.19 01:17:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Aprudena Gist
Originally by: marakor
Not theft at all considering they were in the same alliance and the way bob deploys its pvp ships.
But hey do not let the fact that it was a bob titan built by bob and used by bob pilots get in the way of your little fiction about it being the same as RA stealing one from a ally who was in the process of selling it to them.
you see the problem was DMC double cross RA and was going to start selling them to entities not blue to RA which wasn't approved of so they went squish.
My bad i did not realise that RAGOON had pets that were only allowed to build for them and their allies alone.
I thought it was only BOB that MADE SLAVES other alliances in eve and destroyed or evicted them if they disobeyed.................
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BuIIseye
Amarr Pax Amarria Corp
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Posted - 2008.02.19 01:20:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Aprudena Gist
you see the problem was DMC double cross RA and was going to start selling them to entities not blue to RA which wasn't approved of so they went squish.
RA only wanted to put up a pos in their main system so it appears they have their capital fleet deployed somewhere else like they did with Smash and kill bob dreads anyway.
------------------------------ Because of the name I have a higher chance of a wrecking shot, please don't tell the GM's or they'll nerf me =/ |
Bane Glorious
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.19 01:23:00 -
[68]
do people out there still not realize that windypops is just a goon troll |
marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2008.02.19 01:24:00 -
[69]
Edited by: marakor on 19/02/2008 01:26:28
Originally by: Sekhmet Orion
Originally by: marakor
But hey do not let the fact that it was a bob titan built by bob and used by bob pilots get in the way of your little fiction about it being the same as RA stealing one.
Yeah my bad...complete fiction indeed. SirMolle aka Shrike did not rage demand another Titan after losing his in an attempt to DD frigates
My little fiction can be found in videos such as this
Im not saying that he did not want or get another titan nor do i care how he lost it. Im saying that getting another titan made by bob for bob is totaly differant to stealing one from another alliance you were supposed to buy it from.
And if the guy had objected to giving it him all he needed to do was say no and leave bob im sure plenty of alliances would have welcomed a titan pilot including his titan in their ranks.
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Yuki Nagato
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.19 01:26:00 -
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Originally by: marakor Actualy his point was about how much ragoons and their allies are bestest buddies and not pets or slaves being mistreated or misused.
And also how badly bob treated it allies and how well RAGOON treats theres, so id say you fail unless you can show me a thread about bob stealing a titan from one of its pets/allies.
RA and DMC weren't allies. The agreement between the two was that DMC would produce them Titan(s): this is the only reason DMC got "protectorate" status from RA. It was actually a clever scam by RA and it almost worked, but the Titan was returned to DMC by GMs. The general membership didn't know about that deal which is why everyone likes to villainize RA for "betraying allies", when all it really was is a business transaction that turned into a scam. It's not RA's fault DMC's leadership presented the business transaction as a kind of "strong lasting alliance." Nobody in the RSF as ever claimed to not use metagaming and scamming. How about we talk about the billions BoB stole from ASCN using their director-level spies and turncoats at the end of the "Pendulum War"?
If you're talking about the RSF as a whole (IAC, RA, UNL, GS, TCF specifically) then we all treat each other as separate sovereign entities and help each other when in need. Everyone pulled an equal share of weight according to their capabilities at the time to claim all of the regions shown on the map.
As for KOS, we actually attempted to help them shape up because many GS members liked them for what they did during BoB's C3 invasion. However, they just horded ISK farmers, and you couldn't go two jumps in GS-owned territory without seeing one, so we told them to cut the fat, because it was affecting the entire RSF as a whole. They did that, but then at the same time they placed themselves in the crosshairs of AAA, and the rest is history. (I'm not even sure you can group AAA with the RSF because they just tend to do their own thing, despite how much heavy lifting they did in Catch.)
As for Catch, it's a prime example of how the RSF looks out for each other: IAC was under attack, and so RA helped out in that region while TCF and GS dismantled BoB's southern pet empire in Feyth/Eso/Paragon Soul. While BoB was off in Catch (and Providence) getting "good fights", RISE, Digital Renegades, Interstellar Starbase Syndicate, Southern Coalition, Confederation of the Red Moon, Executive Outcomes and D-L were left to be slaughtered. And then after Catch was conquered (and abandoned by BoB after a single unfavourable engagement in FAT), they ran off to Period Basis and Fountain to get more "good fights" as they left their longest and closest ally, Firmus Ixion, to die at the hands of IRON/RAZOR and the rest of the Northern Coalition.
This is what we mean when we support our allies: RA/TCF/UNL/IAC and all of our many smaller allies that I am simply too tired to list have all helped us, and we have all helped them in return.
It's probably a foreign concept to you that many alliances could work together for a common goal. This is why BoB is now down to it's last region and how it's "Greater Community" has been shattered. BoB left their allies to die so they could get good fights in other regions.
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Yuki Nagato
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.19 01:26:00 -
[71]
Holy wall of text Batman.
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w0rmy
M. Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.02.19 01:30:00 -
[72]
Originally by: marakor But hey do not let the fact that it was a bob titan built by bob and used by bob pilots get in the way of your little fiction about it being the same as RA stealing one from a ally who was in the process of selling it to them.
We could talk about their fleet of sabres
Oh, my bad, that wasnt stealing from allies, that was stealing from the eve community as a whole
Originally by: CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.
Originally by: Dianabolic I was never sworn to secrecy, w0rmy, sorry to dissappoint you.
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Phantasmo
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.19 01:34:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Yuki Nagato
Originally by: marakor Actualy his point was about how much ragoons and their allies are bestest buddies and not pets or slaves being mistreated or misused.
And also how badly bob treated it allies and how well RAGOON treats theres, so id say you fail unless you can show me a thread about bob stealing a titan from one of its pets/allies.
RA and DMC weren't allies. The agreement between the two was that DMC would produce them Titan(s): this is the only reason DMC got "protectorate" status from RA. It was actually a clever scam by RA and it almost worked, but the Titan was returned to DMC by GMs. The general membership didn't know about that deal which is why everyone likes to villainize RA for "betraying allies", when all it really was is a business transaction that turned into a scam. It's not RA's fault DMC's leadership presented the business transaction as a kind of "strong lasting alliance." Nobody in the RSF as ever claimed to not use metagaming and scamming. How about we talk about the billions BoB stole from ASCN using their director-level spies and turncoats at the end of the "Pendulum War"?
If you're talking about the RSF as a whole (IAC, RA, UNL, GS, TCF specifically) then we all treat each other as separate sovereign entities and help each other when in need. Everyone pulled an equal share of weight according to their capabilities at the time to claim all of the regions shown on the map.
As for KOS, we actually attempted to help them shape up because many GS members liked them for what they did during BoB's C3 invasion. However, they just horded ISK farmers, and you couldn't go two jumps in GS-owned territory without seeing one, so we told them to cut the fat, because it was affecting the entire RSF as a whole. They did that, but then at the same time they placed themselves in the crosshairs of AAA, and the rest is history. (I'm not even sure you can group AAA with the RSF because they just tend to do their own thing, despite how much heavy lifting they did in Catch.)
As for Catch, it's a prime example of how the RSF looks out for each other: IAC was under attack, and so RA helped out in that region while TCF and GS dismantled BoB's southern pet empire in Feyth/Eso/Paragon Soul. While BoB was off in Catch (and Providence) getting "good fights", RISE, Digital Renegades, Interstellar Starbase Syndicate, Southern Coalition, Confederation of the Red Moon, Executive Outcomes and D-L were left to be slaughtered. And then after Catch was conquered (and abandoned by BoB after a single unfavourable engagement in FAT), they ran off to Period Basis and Fountain to get more "good fights" as they left their longest and closest ally, Firmus Ixion, to die at the hands of IRON/RAZOR and the rest of the Northern Coalition.
This is what we mean when we support our allies: RA/TCF/UNL/IAC and all of our many smaller allies that I am simply too tired to list have all helped us, and we have all helped them in return.
It's probably a foreign concept to you that many alliances could work together for a common goal. This is why BoB is now down to it's last region and how it's "Greater Community" has been shattered. BoB left their allies to die so they could get good fights in other regions.
tl;dr --------------------------------------------------- <AlthairErin> > well the positive thing about this here, is now I know how goons felt in syndicate =) |
marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2008.02.19 01:35:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Yuki Nagato Holy wall of text Batman.
Im not gonna read all that so il just say that you proly wrote a huge jusitification involving "real friends" and those you claim "temporary friends" that can be exploited or stolen from.
Let me guess your "real friends" are those that have lots of naps and could give your blob a good bit of competition and your "temporary friends" are those with lesser members and only naps with a few smaller alliances or your "real friends" who would back you in a fight?.
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Havoc GunStar
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.19 01:36:00 -
[75]
Originally by: marakor
Actualy his point was about how much ragoons and their allies are bestest buddies and not pets or slaves being mistreated or misused.
And also about how badly bob treated its allies/pets and how well RAGOON treats theres, so id say you and he fail unless you can show me a thread about bob stealing a titan from one of its pets/allies.
You may have misunderstood that one. Fog of war and all that.
You reach for some bizzarre examples, Contrast GoonSwarm's relationship to TCF against BoB's relationship with RISE, for example. Out of curiousity, why don't you post with your main? Surely we've established this forum is utterly meaningless by now. |
marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2008.02.19 01:43:00 -
[76]
Edited by: marakor on 19/02/2008 01:43:52
Originally by: w0rmy
Originally by: marakor But hey do not let the fact that it was a bob titan built by bob and used by bob pilots get in the way of your little fiction about it being the same as RA stealing one from a ally who was in the process of selling it to them.
We could talk about their fleet of sabres
Oh, my bad, that wasnt stealing from allies, that was stealing from the eve community as a whole
Yea a whole sabre bpo and a t2 ammo bpo got by a couple of eve players thats realy betrayal of an ally ?????.
Id love for you to explain to me how that is the same as betraying an ally but hey from a member of an alliance that set mm and razor to blue while you allies were actualy fighting for your system i expect nothing but lies.
REMEMBER THIS?.
Originally by: eleuthereus
One of the most critical blows for me was finding out M. Pire had surrendered while we were engaged in active combat and suddenly ships started turning blue for everyone but Fatal/Cow. Surprise, surprise. Oooopsy.
Originally by: Velios Yes Eluthrius, it should never have been allowed to happen that way.
Your hardly sombody id ask to tell me how allies should behave.
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Havoc GunStar
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.19 01:46:00 -
[77]
Hahahaa Eleuthereus oh man... what a card. |
Marko Zhang
Destructive Flatulence
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Posted - 2008.02.19 01:46:00 -
[78]
#1, lol at this thread. #2, doesn't a 'ultimatum' imply some consequences if you don't comply? from where I sit, I don't really see any.
--- THE WOUNDED TIGER IS DE TIGER BEFORE IT IS WOUNDED
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Ziester
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.19 02:07:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Marko Zhang #1, lol at this thread. #2, doesn't a 'ultimatum' imply some consequences if you don't comply? from where I sit, I don't really see any.
He said he'd post threads like a "goon fanboi" if we don't comply. Regardless who's side he's on, all posts by Windypops are pretty horribly painful and I don't know if I can take any more.
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Nekumi
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.19 02:10:00 -
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I can't in conscience speak on behalf of the entirety of my alliance General Windypops, but you have my pledge as an individual within Goonswarm to abide by your terms.
May peace and goodwill be spread throughout the entirety of Eve.
To each and every one of the members of Band of Brothers and their allies, I forgive you, I love you, I want to be in you.
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Exortius Amarrus
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.19 02:26:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Requiescat in before bob one-liners
Damn.
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Potato Judge
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.19 02:42:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Yuki Nagato
Originally by: marakor Actualy his point was about how much ragoons and their allies are bestest buddies and not pets or slaves being mistreated or misused.
And also how badly bob treated it allies and how well RAGOON treats theres, so id say you fail unless you can show me a thread about bob stealing a titan from one of its pets/allies.
RA and DMC weren't allies. The agreement between the two was that DMC would produce them Titan(s): this is the only reason DMC got "protectorate" status from RA. It was actually a clever scam by RA and it almost worked, but the Titan was returned to DMC by GMs. The general membership didn't know about that deal which is why everyone likes to villainize RA for "betraying allies", when all it really was is a business transaction that turned into a scam. It's not RA's fault DMC's leadership presented the business transaction as a kind of "strong lasting alliance." Nobody in the RSF as ever claimed to not use metagaming and scamming. How about we talk about the billions BoB stole from ASCN using their director-level spies and turncoats at the end of the "Pendulum War"?
If you're talking about the RSF as a whole (IAC, RA, UNL, GS, TCF specifically) then we all treat each other as separate sovereign entities and help each other when in need. Everyone pulled an equal share of weight according to their capabilities at the time to claim all of the regions shown on the map.
As for KOS, we actually attempted to help them shape up because many GS members liked them for what they did during BoB's C3 invasion. However, they just horded ISK farmers, and you couldn't go two jumps in GS-owned territory without seeing one, so we told them to cut the fat, because it was affecting the entire RSF as a whole. They did that, but then at the same time they placed themselves in the crosshairs of AAA, and the rest is history. (I'm not even sure you can group AAA with the RSF because they just tend to do their own thing, despite how much heavy lifting they did in Catch.)
As for Catch, it's a prime example of how the RSF looks out for each other: IAC was under attack, and so RA helped out in that region while TCF and GS dismantled BoB's southern pet empire in Feyth/Eso/Paragon Soul. While BoB was off in Catch (and Providence) getting "good fights", RISE, Digital Renegades, Interstellar Starbase Syndicate, Southern Coalition, Confederation of the Red Moon, Executive Outcomes and D-L were left to be slaughtered. And then after Catch was conquered (and abandoned by BoB after a single unfavourable engagement in FAT), they ran off to Period Basis and Fountain to get more "good fights" as they left their longest and closest ally, Firmus Ixion, to die at the hands of IRON/RAZOR and the rest of the Northern Coalition.
This is what we mean when we support our allies: RA/TCF/UNL/IAC and all of our many smaller allies that I am simply too tired to list have all helped us, and we have all helped them in return.
It's probably a foreign concept to you that many alliances could work together for a common goal. This is why BoB is now down to it's last region and how it's "Greater Community" has been shattered. BoB left their allies to die so they could get good fights in other regions.
Hydrosan post with your main better yet don't post at all.
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Kaldaine
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.19 02:54:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Yuki Nagato
Originally by: marakor Actualy his point was about how much ragoons and their allies are bestest buddies and not pets or slaves being mistreated or misused.
And also how badly bob treated it allies and how well RAGOON treats theres, so id say you fail unless you can show me a thread about bob stealing a titan from one of its pets/allies.
RA and DMC weren't allies. The agreement between the two was that DMC would produce them Titan(s): this is the only reason DMC got "protectorate" status from RA. It was actually a clever scam by RA and it almost worked, but the Titan was returned to DMC by GMs. The general membership didn't know about that deal which is why everyone likes to villainize RA for "betraying allies", when all it really was is a business transaction that turned into a scam. It's not RA's fault DMC's leadership presented the business transaction as a kind of "strong lasting alliance." Nobody in the RSF as ever claimed to not use metagaming and scamming. How about we talk about the billions BoB stole from ASCN using their director-level spies and turncoats at the end of the "Pendulum War"?
If you're talking about the RSF as a whole (IAC, RA, UNL, GS, TCF specifically) then we all treat each other as separate sovereign entities and help each other when in need. Everyone pulled an equal share of weight according to their capabilities at the time to claim all of the regions shown on the map.
As for KOS, we actually attempted to help them shape up because many GS members liked them for what they did during BoB's C3 invasion. However, they just horded ISK farmers, and you couldn't go two jumps in GS-owned territory without seeing one, so we told them to cut the fat, because it was affecting the entire RSF as a whole. They did that, but then at the same time they placed themselves in the crosshairs of AAA, and the rest is history. (I'm not even sure you can group AAA with the RSF because they just tend to do their own thing, despite how much heavy lifting they did in Catch.)
As for Catch, it's a prime example of how the RSF looks out for each other: IAC was under attack, and so RA helped out in that region while TCF and GS dismantled BoB's southern pet empire in Feyth/Eso/Paragon Soul. While BoB was off in Catch (and Providence) getting "good fights", RISE, Digital Renegades, Interstellar Starbase Syndicate, Southern Coalition, Confederation of the Red Moon, Executive Outcomes and D-L were left to be slaughtered. And then after Catch was conquered (and abandoned by BoB after a single unfavourable engagement in FAT), they ran off to Period Basis and Fountain to get more "good fights" as they left their longest and closest ally, Firmus Ixion, to die at the hands of IRON/RAZOR and the rest of the Northern Coalition.
This is what we mean when we support our allies: RA/TCF/UNL/IAC and all of our many smaller allies that I am simply too tired to list have all helped us, and we have all helped them in return.
It's probably a foreign concept to you that many alliances could work together for a common goal. This is why BoB is now down to it's last region and how it's "Greater Community" has been shattered. BoB left their allies to die so they could get good fights in other regions.
what a horrible post you should probably stop
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Mr Broker
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Posted - 2008.02.19 03:07:00 -
[84]
Originally by: marakor Actualy his point was about how much ragoons and their allies are bestest buddies and not pets or slaves being mistreated or misused.
And also about how badly bob treated its allies/pets and how well RAGOON treats theres, so id say you and he fail unless you can show me a thread about bob stealing a titan from one of its pets/allies.
If the goonies have more allies, doesn't it mean that more people like them?
You don't need to theorize and calculate all sorts of stuff. Look at the current situation, speaks ample on goonies. They are better diplomats and allies.
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Hannobaal
Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.19 03:17:00 -
[85]
You know, if this thread had been made by a Goon with this kind of flame-bait against BoB, rather than a BoB alt troll baiting Goons, it would have been locked by the moderators before the end of the first page. Just sayin'...
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Alqualonde
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.19 03:51:00 -
[86]
As far as I can tell, the only point the OP makes is "stop making frigate blobs".
I don't know about you guys, but I go frigate blobbing all the time. It's working especially well in Delve.
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Darth Plague
Amarr Centurians
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Posted - 2008.02.19 04:01:00 -
[87]
If they had a age restriction for playing or using eve forums ,say maby 10 years old that might work.But if they did there wouldnt be many goons :( Darth Plague
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Intukaki
Minmatar Arcane Technologies The Five
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Posted - 2008.02.19 04:09:00 -
[88]
This whole thread requires a
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Hannobaal
Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.19 04:13:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Intukaki This whole thread requires a
You didn't miss out on anything important.
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Yuki Nagato
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.19 04:40:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Intukaki This whole thread requires a
Why don't you double dip in the alliance tournament about it?
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IceGoon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.19 04:57:00 -
[91]
I dunno, frigate/cruiser blobs are kind of our gimmick. And well, goons love gimmicks.
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Orangir
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.19 05:45:00 -
[92]
Originally by: General Windypops Ok, pretty much any post I make seems to get Goons hot under the collar, but I'm hoping that this won't degenerate into yet another flamefest.
I'm writing an open ultimatum to Goonfleet to ask them to, once and for all, clean up their act.
One of the huge sadnesses about this 'Great War' is that it could and should have been the greatest, most compelling battle that Eve has EVER seen. It's got all the right ingredients - an age old rivalry, endless twists and turns, and even seizmic changes in our political landscape that see one side, then the other seem in control, and the tide seeming set to turn once again.
Yet rather than being a fascinating clash that once again confirms Eve as, in my view, the greatest online game by miles it's in danger of becoming 'epic' for all the wrong reasons.
Goonfleet have the potential to be an awesome power within Eve, and I'm sure they've got some decent pilots in there, even if they're rarely given the chance to fight effectively and they've sure as hell got the numbers. But the incessant use of noobships and other 'irrelevant' ships simply to create such ridiculous lag that tactics become impossible is ruining what could be some awesome fights. Your allies have more than enough firepower and numbers to win the battle and tbqh your playstyle is hindering rather than helping your cause.
I know that I can sometimes be a controvertial figure (due to my attempts to clean up the forums) and at times I, too, have been guilty of getting overheated on what should be a mature, informative and (at times) amusing addition to our experience of this game. But the odd bit of baiting and ridicule on my part is nothing compared to the juvenile postings, personal attacks, threadnoughts, metagaming and deliberate attempts to aggrevate non-RSF players by references to R/L occurences have SURELY got to stop.
That's why I'm making this open appeal to Goonfleet leadership to FINALLY take action and be accountable for the actions of their members.
This has nothing to do with who is fighting who - I think everyone is loving the pew pew - but it's to do with maturity, respect, and - ultimately - making the game a better place for us all.
And that's why I'm making this ultimatum to Gloomswarm. Please, in all sincerity, clean up your act and we can make this game a better place, and this war the greatest clash an MMO has ever seen.
And if you're wondering, dear Goon leadership, what's in it for you I'll be blunt. If you don't sort yourselves out I'm going to switch to become a Goon fanboi. Just imagine the horror of seeing Windypops posting on your behalf, day in, day out. Serously. Just imagine it...
(PS - I'd also welcome a war dec from Goonfleet. I know those who don't agree with what I say LOVE to call me an alt, but I think you'll find I'm really rather active in game...)
C'mon - enough of the F-U, more of the Pew Pew!!
Not a bad politepoast, not bad at all.
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Xaldor
New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.02.19 06:11:00 -
[93]
I think you mistaken the goons desire for participation for an attempt to cause a loss of gameplay as a strategy. Why should any goon or coalition pilot have to sit out from the fight? If CCP want a game of large scale warfare then they have to polish up their act and improve the code and interface to handle large scale battles.
Seriously, what is lagging the server up? It is passing packets of data of coordinates of ships, objects and the status of health to between the various ships in the battle. Seriously how big a packet are we talking about with 800 ships involved. They have to have a better way of passing information, when I played DAOC we had 800 a side fights that were 3 way and this was what 7 years ago and you could play that game with a dialup connection.
EVE is doing nothing that is pushing the limits of our broadband connections or the graphics capabilities, it is just bogged down as the game is poorly coded to handle the volume of traffic. CCP needs to improve the way the data is distributed.
You can't ask or expect people to not show up to fleet ops, it will then just become a secnario for the defenders piling in as many people as possible.
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rValdez5987
Amarr Killed In Action The Crimson Federation
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Posted - 2008.02.19 06:44:00 -
[94]
I must say I agree with the OP.... As ive started reading CAOD, Im beginning to wonder why everyone is fighting BoB instead of goons.
Yes, I know why the north and south coalitions are fighting BoB, but Goons are really becoming irritating, and frankly, I wont miss them when they are gone.
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pandymen
The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.02.19 06:54:00 -
[95]
Edited by: pandymen on 19/02/2008 06:54:15 Do people actually realize where the term "goons" comes from? Goonswarm didn't invent it. They are basically a bunch of guys who love doing exactly what goonswarm does on these forums every day....when they are not killing someone.
They actually got on the cover of wired last month iirc. Read up on it.
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Twoside
Gallente Seven. Enuma Elish.
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Posted - 2008.02.19 07:38:00 -
[96]
Originally by: General Windypops
This has nothing to do with who is fighting who - I think everyone is loving the pew pew - but it's to do with maturity, respect, and - ultimately - making the game a better place for us all.
Omg the irony. *censored to prevent another forum warning* like you were polluting caod well before there even was a thing called goonswarm, you're just very sad that they beat you at your game over and over and over again.
But hey, keep posting the same arguments to infinity and beyond, don't let reality slip in, cos I'm enjoying your bitter trolls more by the day :) |
SPQRMocton
Minmatar Calmarr Technologies
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Posted - 2008.02.19 08:09:00 -
[97]
Originally by: rValdez5987 I must say I agree with the OP.... As ive started reading CAOD, Im beginning to wonder why everyone is fighting BoB instead of goons.
Yes, I know why the north and south coalitions are fighting BoB, but Goons are really becoming irritating, and frankly, I wont miss them when they are gone.
You don't know why bob is being beaten down ? my my my where have you been,I was going to explain...............but nah if you don't know why bob is going down then your not worth telling
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The Station
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.02.19 08:27:00 -
[98]
wat
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Raem Civrie
Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.02.19 08:32:00 -
[99]
In before trashposting goon alts/bob alts/gypsies.
No seriously. Anyone who thinks this war hasn't spawned the most awesome battles ever, ever plays even less than I do.
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Louis Lane
Minmatar Imperium Holding corp
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Posted - 2008.02.19 08:34:00 -
[100]
Originally by: General Windypops Ok, pretty much any post I make seems to get Goons hot under the collar, but I'm hoping that this won't degenerate into yet another flamefest.
I'm writing an open ultimatum to Goonfleet to ask them to, once and for all, clean up their act.
hey is this like part of the "petition and slander goons till they are banned" bob attack plan?
sure seems that way to me since you are a top bob alt propaganda poaster. times must be hard for you bobbits.
Factor Benz: Are you insinuating that Dianbolic's emo post blew its brains out because it was ashamed of what it had created? |
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente Deadly Addiction
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Posted - 2008.02.19 08:48:00 -
[101]
Dear op, You don't know what an ultimatum is
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Illiya
Caldari GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.02.19 09:43:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Darth Plague If they had a age restriction for playing or using eve forums ,say maby 10 years old that might work.But if they did there wouldnt be many goons :( Darth Plague
BoB being pushed back into 1 region by 10 year olds itt
ouch :(
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Plague Black
4S Corporation
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Posted - 2008.02.19 10:05:00 -
[103]
I hate ultimatums and I just love Goons. And I love the way they take action and encourage their members to take action as well. When I grow up I want to become just like them, grow little wings and a sting.
Alt posting ftl.
BOB spanking ftw.
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Brmble
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.19 10:15:00 -
[104]
You know you are a Pro troller when your mere existance brings the alt brigade out in force.
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DRAREG
Star Blood Industry
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Posted - 2008.02.19 10:20:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Illiya
Originally by: Darth Plague If they had a age restriction for playing or using eve forums ,say maby 10 years old that might work.But if they did there wouldnt be many goons :( Darth Plague
BoB being pushed back into 1 region by 10 year olds itt
ouch :(
u really think goons alone can take a region ? lol
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Illiya
Caldari GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.02.19 10:57:00 -
[106]
Originally by: DRAREG
Originally by: Illiya
Originally by: Darth Plague If they had a age restriction for playing or using eve forums ,say maby 10 years old that might work.But if they did there wouldnt be many goons :( Darth Plague
BoB being pushed back into 1 region by 10 year olds itt
ouch :(
u really think goons alone can take a region ? lol
could the illustrious STAR BLOOD INDUSTRY point us goonies in the right direction?
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2008.02.19 11:00:00 -
[107]
Edited by: marakor on 19/02/2008 11:04:05
Originally by: Mr Broker
Originally by: marakor Actualy his point was about how much ragoons and their allies are bestest buddies and not pets or slaves being mistreated or misused.
And also about how badly bob treated its allies/pets and how well RAGOON treats theres, so id say you and he fail unless you can show me a thread about bob stealing a titan from one of its pets/allies.
If the goonies have more allies, doesn't it mean that more people like them?
You don't need to theorize and calculate all sorts of stuff. Look at the current situation, speaks ample on goonies. They are better diplomats and allies.
Firstly no it does not mean that more ppl like GOONS it means that more ppl dislike BOB cos if you look at every GOON/BOB thread on caod its always about how much ppl hate BOB not how much they like GOONS. My main helped remove BOB allies from branch and i can tell ya it was not b4ecause i liked GOONS pal.
Secondy the fact that the currant situation has a lot of ppl shooting at bob and taking their space off them is because of their successes of the past and nothing to do with GOONS diplo skill or how great they are as allies. BOB destroyed a lot of alliances in their time and ****ed off a lot of players until eventualy the numbers and nerfs have swung the balance.
This entire war and nap fest is a testament to BOB and their skill and past victories and has nothing at all to do with the diplomatic or ingame skill of any of the many alliances facing them.
HEY LISTEN for ruler of eve. |
xttz
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.19 11:05:00 -
[108]
Reveal your main and we'll talk
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Illiya
Caldari GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.02.19 11:11:00 -
[109]
Originally by: xttz Reveal your main and we'll talk
either that or learn to spell
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2008.02.19 11:14:00 -
[110]
Edited by: marakor on 19/02/2008 11:16:41
Originally by: Illiya
either that or learn to spell
EEEEEEEEEEEEEP grammar n*zi.
Did you know that commenting on grammar instead of addressing the issue is just a way to avoid an uncomfortable truth.
Originally by: xttz Reveal your main and we'll talk
The alliance my main is in has been plastered all over this forum by various GOONS (like it matters) plenty of times although they so far only know the name of my cyno dude and not my main.
PS: why would i want to talk with you or is this your feeble attempt to disregard my post cos im posting with an alt?.
HEY LISTEN for ruler of eve. |
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xttz
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.19 11:16:00 -
[111]
Originally by: marakor
Originally by: xttz Reveal your main and we'll talk
The alliance my main is in has been plastered all over this forum by various GOONS (like it matters) plenty of times although they so far only know the name of my cyno dude and not my main.
PS: why would i want to talk with you or is this your feeble attempt to disregard my post cos im posting with an alt?.
I was talking to Mister Windypops. I have no interest in your existance whatsoever.
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2008.02.19 11:21:00 -
[112]
Originally by: xttz
Originally by: marakor
Originally by: xttz Reveal your main and we'll talk
The alliance my main is in has been plastered all over this forum by various GOONS (like it matters) plenty of times although they so far only know the name of my cyno dude and not my main.
PS: why would i want to talk with you or is this your feeble attempt to disregard my post cos im posting with an alt?.
I was talking to Mister Windypops. I have no interest in your existance whatsoever.
Then you should realy be more specific when you post, although if the standard "alt post" insult is the best you can do i suggest you refrain from posting at all.
HEY LISTEN for ruler of eve. |
Cippalippus Primus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.19 11:22:00 -
[113]
Originally by: xttz
Originally by: marakor
Originally by: xttz Reveal your main and we'll talk
The alliance my main is in has been plastered all over this forum by various GOONS (like it matters) plenty of times although they so far only know the name of my cyno dude and not my main.
PS: why would i want to talk with you or is this your feeble attempt to disregard my post cos im posting with an alt?.
I was talking to Mister Windypops. I have no interest in your existance whatsoever.
lmao ps don't quote people on my ignore list please -clp
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2008.02.19 11:26:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Cippalippus Primus
Originally by: xttz
Originally by: marakor
Originally by: xttz Reveal your main and we'll talk
The alliance my main is in has been plastered all over this forum by various GOONS (like it matters) plenty of times although they so far only know the name of my cyno dude and not my main.
PS: why would i want to talk with you or is this your feeble attempt to disregard my post cos im posting with an alt?.
I was talking to Mister Windypops. I have no interest in your existance whatsoever.
lmao ps don't quote people on my ignore list please
Still posting the lalala fingers in ears lalala stuff hey?.
Perhaps you should list all the ppl you claim to have on your ignore list as it may help others in the future.
HEY LISTEN for ruler of eve. |
Ponderous Thunderstroke
Republic War Machine Industries
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Posted - 2008.02.19 11:33:00 -
[115]
I just can't take seriously a post from Windypops calling for order and civility. This entire war, from its earliest days has been powered by smack and meta, and all of a sudden Goonswarm is supposed to change their formula for success, because Windypops says so? It is to laugh, seriously. This conflict went straight into the bottom of the sewer years ago, now they're just building sub-sewers to drop it into further. It will never end, or stop being nasty, until one side or the other is out of the game.
So pull up a Mojito (or a martini) and watch the show, because it's not ending on the word of Windypops, or anyone else. This is war to extinction.
-- "PT, you are a complete and total jerk."
Yes. Yes I am.
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WowZilla
The Leeroy Jenkins Project
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Posted - 2008.02.19 11:55:00 -
[116]
Originally by: rValdez5987 I must say I agree with the OP.... As ive started reading CAOD, Im beginning to wonder why everyone is fighting BoB instead of goons.
Yes, I know why the north and south coalitions are fighting BoB, but Goons are really becoming irritating, and frankly, I wont miss them when they are gone.
You pretty much answered your own question there. You've started reading CAOD and dont like the Goon posts. Fair enough, shame you wernt reading over 12 months ago when Bob set the trend, although much much worse. The propoganda drivel that Windy****s/marakok et all spout out avoid this most important fact whilst also trying to portray bob as the 'under dogs' - Possibly swaying a few uninformed to side with their nerdrage view. Its laughable, but also kind of sad really, the last desperate attempts of bob alts to save their alliance, garner more support or at the very least go down as the 'good guys' and not as the bitter vets that had their empire swallowed and their history tarnished. ______________________ I am the worst poaster |
Ki An
Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.02.19 12:01:00 -
[117]
Originally by: WowZilla
You pretty much answered your own question there. You've started reading CAOD and dont like the Goon posts. Fair enough, shame you wernt reading over 12 months ago when Bob set the trend, although much much worse. The propoganda drivel that Windy****s/marakok et all spout out avoid this most important fact whilst also trying to portray bob as the 'under dogs' - Possibly swaying a few uninformed to side with their nerdrage view. Its laughable, but also kind of sad really, the last desperate attempts of bob alts to save their alliance, garner more support or at the very least go down as the 'good guys' and not as the bitter vets that had their empire swallowed and their history tarnished.
BoB wasn't really worse than the Goons though. In fact, they where a whole lot less sucky than the posts we get from Goons today. It's a testament to the fact that the bar has been raised a whole lot on what is concidered accepted and not that Goon posts today are seen as less bad than BoB posts of the past. Putting the posts side by side it's fairly obvious to me who's posts are worse.
Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
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WowZilla
The Leeroy Jenkins Project
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Posted - 2008.02.19 12:22:00 -
[118]
Bob posts were less sucky than goons? - Certainly Bob posts less arrogant and offensive than goons? - no way
the same can be said in game, which is where it really matters. ______________________ I am the worst poaster |
HollaBackGirl
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Posted - 2008.02.19 12:33:00 -
[119]
Whoa noobships and intentionally causing lag? It's like a time capsule to 2006 and D2 posts.
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Ki An
Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.02.19 12:33:00 -
[120]
Originally by: WowZilla Bob posts were less sucky than goons? - Certainly Bob posts less arrogant and offensive than goons? - no way
the same can be said in game, which is where it really matters.
I'd disagree with that as well. Bob were always arrogant, but to me it always seemed like a whole lotta RP. I have rarely seen an offensive BoB post. Sure, posts they have made have annoyed me, and I never like chest-beating, something they do a whole lot. Goons, on the other hand, take the game far too seriously and tend to mix in RL in their smack, sometimes getting so offensive it should be cause for direct banning (seems CCP agrees with me here).
I won't claim Goon posts are all sucky as in poorly written, as they often tend to be quite funny. This might however be a case of firing enough tacky, offensive and stupid humor at a wall, sprinkled with the rare good stuff, and hope some sticks.
Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
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Darcuese
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.19 13:16:00 -
[121]
Edited by: Darcuese on 19/02/2008 13:17:19 WoWZilla....I appologise for tears and bitternes my guys as myself share with this great community me, myself and I ------> |
Garous
Orbital Fleet
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Posted - 2008.02.19 15:41:00 -
[122]
Originally by: General Windypops
I'm writing an open ultimatum to Goonfleet to ask them to, once and for all, clean up their act.
Whilst it would be desireable to see this I doubt it will happen in the near future. While some Goon posts are well written and informative a number Goons seem to be having too much fun with their current out of game tactics of forum baiting and provoking other players by various means(RL insults are below the belt and uncalled for) which admittedly does seem to be achieving their petty goal of making some players frustrated and angry. So in that regard the childish and immature see their forum tactics as valid and successful. If the Goon leadership was to control the flame baiters COAD would be a much better and more informative forum.
The Goon in-game doctrine of sending as many players as they can muster into a single system is also having an effect. Although if said players were all in decent pvp ships ie not Incursus' or comedy fitted Megathrons their effect would be more constructive to the RSF campaign. Although I would imagine at some point RA and the more combat aware alliances will highlight the fact to the Goon leadership that the actions of some of the Goon members are hindering the overall RSF objective by generating excessive lag and preventing the more capable pvp pilots from jumping into a system and successfully engaging. That being said i'm sure every Goon member wants a piece of the Delve action and rightly so but they need to consider if their ship is really gonna make a difference in an already lagged out system or would it be better continue the fight in another system away from the lag fest areas. However the swarm mentallity will probably prevent this from happening as most Goons only wanna be one place right now and that's the NOL area.
After a sustained attack on a T2 fitted sniping mega by disguntled janitors with CCP special issue nerf bats this unique set up resulted.
http://www.killboard.net/details/235754/
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Marko Zhang
Destructive Flatulence
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Posted - 2008.02.19 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: Garous If the Goon leadership was to control the flame baiters
lol now that's funny
--- THE WOUNDED TIGER IS DE TIGER BEFORE IT IS WOUNDED
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Soldur
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2008.02.19 16:22:00 -
[124]
ffs just lock this
Quote: DO IT TO IT
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CootBoot
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.19 17:01:00 -
[125]
this thread.
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Romale
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.02.19 17:56:00 -
[126]
you know, just speaking for myself, i have zero desire for the goons to change their ways. a cup of hatred makes you login alot more then a cup of blow the random guy up.
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Gloomy Gus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.19 18:03:00 -
[127]
It's awful nice to have your input Windy you have warmed our hearts with your cool island song you'll be seeing a lot of changes coming down the pipe due in the moast part to your recommendations that we review our processes.
Originally by: General Windypops Ok, pretty much any post I make seems to get Goons hot under the collar, but I'm hoping that this won't degenerate into yet another flamefest.
I'm writing an open ultimatum to Goonfleet to ask them to, once and for all, clean up their act.
One of the huge sadnesses about this 'Great War' is that it could and should have been the greatest, most compelling battle that Eve has EVER seen. It's got all the right ingredients - an age old rivalry, endless twists and turns, and even seizmic changes in our political landscape that see one side, then the other seem in control, and the tide seeming set to turn once again.
Yet rather than being a fascinating clash that once again confirms Eve as, in my view, the greatest online game by miles it's in danger of becoming 'epic' for all the wrong reasons.
Goonfleet have the potential to be an awesome power within Eve, and I'm sure they've got some decent pilots in there, even if they're rarely given the chance to fight effectively and they've sure as hell got the numbers. But the incessant use of noobships and other 'irrelevant' ships simply to create such ridiculous lag that tactics become impossible is ruining what could be some awesome fights. Your allies have more than enough firepower and numbers to win the battle and tbqh your playstyle is hindering rather than helping your cause.
I know that I can sometimes be a controvertial figure (due to my attempts to clean up the forums) and at times I, too, have been guilty of getting overheated on what should be a mature, informative and (at times) amusing addition to our experience of this game. But the odd bit of baiting and ridicule on my part is nothing compared to the juvenile postings, personal attacks, threadnoughts, metagaming and deliberate attempts to aggrevate non-RSF players by references to R/L occurences have SURELY got to stop.
That's why I'm making this open appeal to Goonfleet leadership to FINALLY take action and be accountable for the actions of their members.
This has nothing to do with who is fighting who - I think everyone is loving the pew pew - but it's to do with maturity, respect, and - ultimately - making the game a better place for us all.
And that's why I'm making this ultimatum to Gloomswarm. Please, in all sincerity, clean up your act and we can make this game a better place, and this war the greatest clash an MMO has ever seen.
And if you're wondering, dear Goon leadership, what's in it for you I'll be blunt. If you don't sort yourselves out I'm going to switch to become a Goon fanboi. Just imagine the horror of seeing Windypops posting on your behalf, day in, day out. Serously. Just imagine it...
(PS - I'd also welcome a war dec from Goonfleet. I know those who don't agree with what I say LOVE to call me an alt, but I think you'll find I'm really rather active in game...)
C'mon - enough of the F-U, more of the Pew Pew!!
Edited title, removed caps - Mitnal
Originally by: JakeNoble well id just like to say kilz is an epic****got
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Shinori
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.02.19 18:30:00 -
[128]
Hey, where do I get this CAOD filter?
I want to ignore everyone but windypops and marakor, they are very good posters who are always in the loop on current events.
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2008.02.19 18:34:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Shinori Hey, where do I get this CAOD filter?
I want to ignore everyone but windypops and marakor, they are very good posters who are always in the loop on current events.
Just pretend you are using it and mention it too ppl now and again its what everybody else does especialy the more regular posters and trolls.
LOL they realy expect ppl to believe that after all the posting and spamming and trolling they are gonna turn off the biggest arguments on the forums.
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Shinori
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.02.19 19:11:00 -
[130]
Originally by: marakor
Originally by: Shinori Hey, where do I get this CAOD filter?
I want to ignore everyone but windypops and marakor, they are very good posters who are always in the loop on current events.
Just pretend you are using it and mention it too ppl now and again its what everybody else does especialy the more regular posters and trolls.
LOL they realy expect ppl to believe that after all the posting and spamming and trolling they are gonna turn off the biggest arguments on the forums.
What?
It's not enough to use english words. Please put them in a coherent order.
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2008.02.19 19:14:00 -
[131]
Edited by: marakor on 19/02/2008 19:14:39
Originally by: Shinori
Originally by: marakor
Originally by: Shinori Hey, where do I get this CAOD filter?
I want to ignore everyone but windypops and marakor, they are very good posters who are always in the loop on current events.
Just pretend you are using it and mention it too ppl now and again its what everybody else does especialy the more regular posters and trolls.
LOL they realy expect ppl to believe that after all the posting and spamming and trolling they are gonna turn off the biggest arguments on the forums.
What?
It's not enough to use english words. Please put them in a coherent order.
Looks fine to me just put them in the context of the previous post i quoted and even a goon should be able to "get" what im saying.
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General Windypops
Skullduggery Inc
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Posted - 2008.02.19 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Dear op, You don't know what an ultimatum is
Dear poster,
No, you.
Originally by: Grand Lord Windypops the Magnificent And if you're wondering, dear Goon leadership, what's in it for you I'll be blunt. If you don't sort yourselves out I'm going to switch to become a Goon fanboi. Just imagine the horror of seeing Windypops posting on your behalf, day in, day out. Serously. Just imagine it...
~-= Winner of the COAD Buns of Steel award, 2006 and 2007 =-~
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Breetai Tull
Little Blue Bugs
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Posted - 2008.02.19 20:09:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Ki An
BoB wasn't really worse than the Goons though. In fact, they where a whole lot less sucky than the posts we get from Goons today. It's a testament to the fact that the bar has been raised a whole lot on what is concidered accepted and not that Goon posts today are seen as less bad than BoB posts of the past. Putting the posts side by side it's fairly obvious to me who's posts are worse.
This can only be answered by:
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General Windypops
Skullduggery Inc
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Posted - 2008.02.19 20:10:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Breetai Tull
Originally by: Ki An
BoB wasn't really worse than the Goons though. In fact, they where a whole lot less sucky than the posts we get from Goons today. It's a testament to the fact that the bar has been raised a whole lot on what is concidered accepted and not that Goon posts today are seen as less bad than BoB posts of the past. Putting the posts side by side it's fairly obvious to me who's posts are worse.
This can only be answered by:
Well, I dunno, if you actually wanted to change anyone's mind you could answer it with facts.
~-= Winner of the COAD Buns of Steel award, 2006 and 2007 =-~
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Self Similar
Gallente The Collective
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Posted - 2008.02.19 20:16:00 -
[135]
Nu-gen vs old moneyz
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Eveonlineisforbob
Amarr Health and Beauty Spa
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Posted - 2008.02.19 20:52:00 -
[136]
Edited by: Eveonlineisforbob on 19/02/2008 20:53:18 You reap what you sow, BoB (enmasse) lorded it over everyone, for as long as they could with never a single thought for any one else, it was enough to make you want to puke, couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of swell stand up knobs tbqfh, ain't Karma a biatch eh, teaching the stupid and the dumb that it's not all about them since year dot. Yes it is ;) |
General Windypops
Skullduggery Inc
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Posted - 2008.02.19 21:17:00 -
[137]
Edited by: General Windypops on 19/02/2008 21:20:10
Originally by: Eveonlineisforbob Edited by: Eveonlineisforbob on 19/02/2008 20:53:18 You reap what you sow, BoB (enmasse) lorded it over everyone, for as long as they could with never a single thought for any one else, it was enough to make you want to puke, couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of swell stand up knobs tbqfh, ain't Karma a biatch eh, teaching the stupid and the dumb that it's not all about them since year dot.
You're right. It's got nothing to do with BoB war deccing Goons because they mocked a R/L death in forum sigs.
BUt anyway, the point of this thread is to see if we can break the cycle of these endless accusations and counter-claims. Surely we can be a bit more mature than that?
~-= Winner of the COAD Buns of Steel award, 2006 and 2007 =-~
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Khorian
Gallente Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.02.19 21:54:00 -
[138]
Edited by: Khorian on 19/02/2008 21:54:39
Originally by: Eveonlineisforbob Edited by: Eveonlineisforbob on 19/02/2008 20:53:18 You reap what you sow, BoB (enmasse) lorded it over everyone, for as long as they could with never a single thought for any one else, it was enough to make you want to puke, couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of swell stand up knobs tbqfh, ain't Karma a biatch eh, teaching the stupid and the dumb that it's not all about them since year dot.
Whenever I read stuff like this it makes me think of an angry carebear. Are you a carebear? Tell me carebear, what is the essence of EvE?
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Eveonlineisforbob
Amarr Health and Beauty Spa
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Posted - 2008.02.19 22:29:00 -
[139]
No I'm just someone that didn't like what they did when they had it all, someone who really wanted to see Karma catch up with them, and is practically peeing his pants with happiness that Karma is indeed a biotch Yes it is ;) |
Marko Zhang
Destructive Flatulence
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Posted - 2008.02.19 22:31:00 -
[140]
Eureka! I believe I may have discovered the origin of Windy's anti-goon nerdrage.
A goon called him a ****** in local a year and a half ago.
--- THE WOUNDED TIGER IS DE TIGER BEFORE IT IS WOUNDED
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Tilta
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.19 22:38:00 -
[141]
Originally by: General Windypops You're right. It's got nothing to do with BoB war deccing Goons because they mocked a R/L death in forum sigs. BUt anyway, the point of this thread is to see if we can break the cycle of these endless accusations and counter-claims. Surely we can be a bit more mature than that?
Then and now, an ironic causus belli based on a misinterpretation of what the signature contained.
Sycophantry was responsible for the moral support from the rest of EVE.
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Red Doom
Red. Red Republic
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Posted - 2008.02.19 22:52:00 -
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Edited by: Red Doom on 19/02/2008 22:56:39
Originally by: Dyson
But CCP seems to have forgone common sense to help provide a unique game experience, and now they are paying for it as the servers cannot handle what is happening. They further agitate the issue by providing ships which can destroy entire fleets, ships which can deploy several times their number of new entities which now have to be tracked, and ships which take an impressive fleet of non capital ships to destroy. So the issue really isn't one of what tactics we use, it's one of an attempt at a unique game design that wasn't thought through fully collapsing in on itself.
Curse your hide, you slipped some kind of bugging device into the Intelligence implant in my head!
In all seriousnous the truth of what you say is self evident. If CCP had been thinking on a galactic scale but tempered by Real World(tm) realities they would not have implemented the concept of drones the way they did, if at all.
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Ungdall
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.19 23:11:00 -
[143]
not reading thread; op doesn't get it
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Jonas Xiamon
Caldari Provenance. Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2008.02.19 23:24:00 -
[144]
Edited by: Jonas Xiamon on 19/02/2008 23:24:55 In other news there seems to be no hope for BoB as all their previous "allies" turn on the once massive alliance.
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rValdez5987
Amarr Killed In Action The Crimson Federation
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Posted - 2008.02.20 00:14:00 -
[145]
Quote: You don't know why bob is being beaten down ? and why goonswarm isn't the target ? my my my where have you been,I was going to explain...............but nah if you don't know why bob is going down then your not worth telling
Re read my original post m8. I said that I do know why the coalitions are fighting BoB, however, lately their conduct, mainly goonswarms is less the desired. Sure they are playing eve just like the rest of us, but cant they do it without the trolling?
Ill take arrogance over sheer stupidity any day.
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K'reemy G'udness
The Greater Goon GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.20 01:05:00 -
[146]
Originally by: Relaed
If not, all non Goonswarm players set Goons to red, and attack them from every angle and shove them back down the hole from which they came.
I'M NOT GOING BACK INTO THAT HOLE! ---
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Etho Demerzel
Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2008.02.20 02:37:00 -
[147]
Originally by: rValdez5987
Quote: You don't know why bob is being beaten down ? and why goonswarm isn't the target ? my my my where have you been,I was going to explain...............but nah if you don't know why bob is going down then your not worth telling
Re read my original post m8. I said that I do know why the coalitions are fighting BoB, however, lately their conduct, mainly goonswarms is less the desired. Sure they are playing eve just like the rest of us, but cant they do it without the trolling?
Ill take arrogance over sheer stupidity any day.
I have to agree that stupidity is insuferable. But then again BoB is by far the most stupid alliance here. An alliance that had everything (most easily acquired due to legacy from playing for longer than most) and lost it all because of ego and incapacity to keep their mouths shut. THAT, sir, is stupidity at its best.
So in the face of their arrogance AND stupidity I really hope they go and be forgotten soon, as many many other alliances that judged themselves ubber and ended collapsing into nothing.
Bye bye. :)
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Alqualonde
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.20 03:26:00 -
[148]
Edited by: Alqualonde on 20/02/2008 03:25:42 Yeah, I'm still annoyed that the "ultimatum" is only about frigate blobs.
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Talia Dens
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Posted - 2008.02.20 06:07:00 -
[149]
Edited by: Talia Dens on 20/02/2008 06:07:33 stupid forums
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Soundtrack
Scalding Pie Services GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.20 06:07:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Alqualonde Edited by: Alqualonde on 20/02/2008 03:25:42 Yeah, I'm still annoyed that the "ultimatum" is only about frigate blobs.
I'm kinda worried about what people think DOES belong in a fleet fight. A tackling frigate is invaluable, a T1 ewar cruiser can take a sniper out of the fight, and a well fit battlecruiser can be an effective anti-support platform. Should we stop using these things in a fleet fight cause they aren't battleships, or god forbid NOT T2?!?! ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Dont you wish your posts were hot like mine? http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs221&d=07446&f=maek_poast.jpg |
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Guardian Angell
Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.02.20 13:07:00 -
[151]
Originally by: Scatim Helicon Not constructive - Navigator
Don't get it... is there anything constructive in this thread?! Why bother with censorship then?
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Tiggus Maximus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.20 14:41:00 -
[152]
What exactly is an "open" ultimatum anyways? Does this mean we can change it?
I vote for "go away or I shall taunt you a second time" (french accent)
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Zorlag
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.20 14:50:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Guardian Angell
Originally by: Scatim Helicon Not constructive - Navigator
Don't get it... is there anything constructive in this thread?! Why bother with censorship then?
of course there's nothing constructive, it's CAOD
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Kaaii
Caldari PixelJuice Design Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.02.20 15:03:00 -
[154]
Originally by: Zorlag
Originally by: Guardian Angell
Originally by: Scatim Helicon Not constructive - Navigator
Don't get it... is there anything constructive in this thread?! Why bother with censorship then?
of course there's nothing constructive, it's CAOD
No, its goonsfarm.
According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there. kieron Director of Community Relations,
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Desiderata Fabian
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.20 15:05:00 -
[155]
Hey look it's a General Windypops thread obsessing over Goons, who would have thought it?
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CaptDevil
Gallente Legion Du Lys GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.20 19:43:00 -
[156]
Bitter alts of bitter dead alliances itt
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Devian 666
Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.20 20:18:00 -
[157]
Originally by: General Windypops C'mon - enough of the F-U, more of the Pew Pew!!
I'd like a chicken royale with a pepsi and fries. Can you please serve CLEAN FOOD this time.
Oh wait it's a windybitter thread my bad.
Originally by: Darkrydar Oh and killboard loss arguments are so 2005.
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General Windypops
Skullduggery Inc
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Posted - 2008.02.20 20:29:00 -
[158]
3 Goonswarm posts above me, all 3 of them direct, personal attacks. Pretty much says it all.
Still, I guess if you can't win the ball, just kick the player. ~-= Winner of the COAD Buns of Steel award, 2006 and 2007 =-~
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Devian 666
Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.20 20:34:00 -
[159]
Originally by: General Windypops 3 Goonswarm posts above me, all 3 of them direct, personal attacks. Pretty much says it all.
Still, I guess if you can't win the ball, just kick the player.
We got served extra vinegar with that meal.
Haven't you considered that this thread should be an ultimatum to BoB. BoB didn't fight for months and now you're asking for a fight.
Too much boring pointless propaganda. Don't bother pretending that the OP is serious.
Originally by: Darkrydar Oh and killboard loss arguments are so 2005.
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IceGoon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.20 20:35:00 -
[160]
Goons trolling a thread complaining about frigate blobs? The sky has finally fallen and it is now the end of eve as we know it.
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General Windypops
Skullduggery Inc
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Posted - 2008.02.20 20:56:00 -
[161]
Personal attacks are not permitted on the forums. ~Saint ~-= Winner of the COAD Buns of Steel award, 2006 and 2007 =-~
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Nekumi
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.20 21:02:00 -
[162]
Sorry
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Devian 666
Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.20 21:07:00 -
[163]
Originally by: General Windypops I'm really not sure what you're so over-excited about? I have ALWAYS stood up for what is right and moral in this game ever since my "Goons Bee Gone" campaign, and that post is no different. It's always been in my nature to take a stand against those who bully and abuse others.
Goons, it seems, adopt the opposite approach, and that's why I focus much of my campaign to make Eve a better place on them. To be honest, I find the way that you recently launched a concentrated campaign of vicious harassment against one particular individual, innundating them with hundreds of hate mails, petitions and offensive personal attacks in local is utterly despicable. I notice, however, that not one single member of Goonswarm has apologised for it.
Unfortunately every apology thread has been locked by the moderators. Search for those threads yourself instead of fabricating your own truth.
Petitions are the BoB weapon of choice. The campaign of abuse against GS has been overlooked in your post and the one individual you talk of loves smacktalking endlessly in local.
Nice hypocritical joke thread 8/10.
Originally by: Darkrydar Oh and killboard loss arguments are so 2005.
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General Windypops
Skullduggery Inc
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Posted - 2008.02.20 23:24:00 -
[164]
Originally by: Devian 666
Petitions are the BoB weapon of choice. The campaign of abuse against GS has been overlooked in your post.
Please explain in detail how you are being 'abused'.
~-= Winner of the COAD Buns of Steel award, 2006 and 2007 =-~
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Devian 666
Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.20 23:29:00 -
[165]
Originally by: General Windypops
Originally by: Devian 666
Petitions are the BoB weapon of choice. The campaign of abuse against GS has been overlooked in your post.
Please explain in detail how you are being 'abused'.
You've got your knickers in a twist today.
Ask BoB members for examples.
Originally by: Darkrydar Oh and killboard loss arguments are so 2005.
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General Windypops
Skullduggery Inc
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Posted - 2008.02.20 23:30:00 -
[166]
Originally by: Devian 666
Originally by: General Windypops
Originally by: Devian 666
Petitions are the BoB weapon of choice. The campaign of abuse against GS has been overlooked in your post.
Please explain in detail how you are being 'abused'.
You've got your knickers in a twist today.
Ask BoB members for examples.
Wow, you gave up on that argument fast.
~-= Winner of the COAD Buns of Steel award, 2006 and 2007 =-~
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Moonlight Express
Amarr Moonlight Express Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.20 23:33:00 -
[167]
Originally by: Devian 666
Originally by: General Windypops
Originally by: Devian 666
Petitions are the BoB weapon of choice. The campaign of abuse against GS has been overlooked in your post.
Please explain in detail how you are being 'abused'.
You've got your knickers in a twist today.
Ask BoB members for examples.
BoB kills goons too much?
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Devian 666
Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.20 23:39:00 -
[168]
Originally by: General Windypops Please explain in detail how you are being 'abused'.
You've got your knickers in a twist today.
Ask BoB members for examples.
Wow, you gave up on that argument fast.
That's right being too lazy to look up logs for General Windybitter is giving up.
When we're abused in local we don't spam the poor GMs with a stream of petitions, or make a great big fuss about it in CAOD. That's your job.
Originally by: Darkrydar Oh and killboard loss arguments are so 2005.
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General Windypops
Skullduggery Inc
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Posted - 2008.02.20 23:42:00 -
[169]
Originally by: Devian 666 we don't spam the poor GMs with a stream of petitions
Unless you're trying to mass-bleat for a Titan nerf because your alliance doesn't dare field them yourselves.
And at the end of the day, if you really want to blackmail the authorities you just launch a threadnought about it.
~-= Winner of the COAD Buns of Steel award, 2006 and 2007 =-~
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Devian 666
Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.21 00:02:00 -
[170]
Originally by: General Windypops
Originally by: Devian 666 we don't spam the poor GMs with a stream of petitions
Unless you're trying to mass-bleat for a Titan nerf because your alliance doesn't dare field them yourselves.
And at the end of the day, if you really want to blackmail the authorities you just launch a threadnought about it.
Not even remotely related to what I'm talking out. Wow you are really out of touch with what's going on.
You should log in and play some time.
Originally by: Darkrydar Oh and killboard loss arguments are so 2005.
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Sigmorhair
Gallente Sigmorhair Corp
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Posted - 2008.02.21 00:04:00 -
[171]
I can't figure out why this obvious troll thread was not killed on page 1.
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General Windypops
Skullduggery Inc
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Posted - 2008.02.21 00:05:00 -
[172]
Originally by: Devian 666 Not even remotely related to what I'm talking out. Wow you are really out of touch with what's going on.
You should log in and play some time.
Um, so your paper-thin, tinfoil-hat attack against BoB petitions has nothing to do with your own alliance's abuse of the petition system?
Now here's a challenge for you. If you're so convinced that I'm an alt then why don't Gloomfleet war dec me? Seriously! It would cost you practically nothing, since I'm a one man corp.
Go on, do it. I dare you.
~-= Winner of the COAD Buns of Steel award, 2006 and 2007 =-~
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Devian 666
Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.21 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: Sigmorhair I can't figure out why this obvious troll thread was not killed on page 1.
It's always good to have one joke thread on CAOD. If everything ends up locked than even the comedy discussions can't happen.
Originally by: Darkrydar Oh and killboard loss arguments are so 2005.
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General Windypops
Skullduggery Inc
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Posted - 2008.02.21 00:22:00 -
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Originally by: Devian 666
Originally by: General Windypops
Originally by: Devian 666
Originally by: General Windypops Um, so your paper-thin, tinfoil-hat attack against BoB petitions has nothing to do with your own alliance's abuse of the petition system?
Now here's a challenge for you. If you're so convinced that I'm an alt then why don't Gloomfleet war dec me? Seriously! It would cost you practically nothing, since I'm a one man corp.
Go on, do it. I dare you.
You're post mumbling.
What use is a war dec when I'm an outlaw?
Answer the question, Devian.
You want me to answer a rhetorical question?
No, I'm just curious as to how you have the audacity to attack BoB for making a small number of legitimate complaints against individuals who have done little more than vicious cyber-bullying. Have you already forgotten when Goonfleet threw their toys our of the pram and launched a full on blackmail threadnought against CCP and were found to be lying? Have you also forgotten the thousands of petitions that Goonfleet submitted to get a Titan nerf simply because your own alliance doesn't dare field them yourself?
If you're going to act all 'cyber tough' at least be consistent.
~-= Winner of the COAD Buns of Steel award, 2006 and 2007 =-~
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Devian 666
Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.21 00:33:00 -
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Originally by: General Windypops
No, I'm just curious as to how you have the audacity to attack BoB for making a small number of legitimate complaints against individuals who have done little more than vicious cyber-bullying. Have you already forgotten when Goonfleet threw their toys our of the pram and launched a full on blackmail threadnought against CCP and were found to be lying? Have you also forgotten the thousands of petitions that Goonfleet submitted to get a Titan nerf simply because your own alliance doesn't dare field them yourself?
If you're going to act all 'cyber tough' at least be consistent.
For me to give a full and complete answer I would have to go outside of the forum rules.
Given the information that I have received the number of petitions issued by BoB does not appear to be a "small number".
On the titan remote ddd issue that's been discussed to death. Yawn.
All I can say is that I cannot endorse the usage of petitions as a combat system as this would be a breach of the terms and conditions of the EULA.
Originally by: Darkrydar Oh and killboard loss arguments are so 2005.
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Moonlight Express
Amarr Moonlight Express Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.21 00:51:00 -
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Edited by: Moonlight Express on 21/02/2008 00:52:01
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Moonlight Express
Amarr Moonlight Express Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.21 00:51:00 -
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Originally by: Devian 666
Originally by: General Windypops
No, I'm just curious as to how you have the audacity to attack BoB for making a small number of legitimate complaints against individuals who have done little more than vicious cyber-bullying. Have you already forgotten when Goonfleet threw their toys our of the pram and launched a full on blackmail threadnought against CCP and were found to be lying? Have you also forgotten the thousands of petitions that Goonfleet submitted to get a Titan nerf simply because your own alliance doesn't dare field them yourself?
If you're going to act all 'cyber tough' at least be consistent.
Wow. So you admit that you receive æinside informationÆ about number of petitions that BoB submits? I would think thatÆs privileged information and is against rules to distribute. If I were CCP, I think they should investigate how goons receive inside info about something like that.
As for number of petitions, would it be safe to assume that the high number of petitions submitted is contributed to high number of offenses?
For me to give a full and complete answer I would have to go outside of the forum rules.
Given the information that I have received the number of petitions issued by BoB does not appear to be a "small number".
On the titan remote ddd issue that's been discussed to death. Yawn.
All I can say is that I cannot endorse the usage of petitions as a combat system as this would be a breach of the terms and conditions of the EULA.
Wow. So you admit that you receive æinside informationÆ about number of petitions that BoB submits? I would think thatÆs privileged information and is against rules to distribute. If I were CCP, I think they should investigate how goons receive inside info about something like that.
As for number of petitions, would it be safe to assume that the high number of petitions submitted is contributed to high number of offenses?
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Devian 666
Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.21 01:03:00 -
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Originally by: Moonlight Express Wow. So you admit that you receive ‘inside information’ about number of petitions that BoB submits? I would think that’s privileged information and is against rules to distribute. If I were CCP, I think they should investigate how goons receive inside info about something like that.
As for number of petitions, would it be safe to assume that the high number of petitions submitted is contributed to high number of offenses?
Don't take this as a personal attack, it is instead a statement of fact, you are pretty simple minded.
The tl;dr version is thanks for clogging up the senior GM queues.
If you bother to read the rules you would know that it is against the rules to discuss GM communications or publish them.
Originally by: Darkrydar Oh and killboard loss arguments are so 2005.
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Marko Zhang
Destructive Flatulence
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Posted - 2008.02.21 01:43:00 -
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Hey Windy, is this your blog? Some good stuff on there.
Originally by: Windypops
Firstborn is a model of cleanliness. I don't know how he does it. It's certainly not down to parental influence. He just always manages to look clean and tidy. I fear he may grow up to be a homosexual. Though I fear him ever owning a motorcycle more. I reckon I've got more chance of grandchildren and the continuation of my seed with the former. But anyway; he's not made of slugs and snails and puppy dogs' tails.
--- THE WOUNDED TIGER IS DE TIGER BEFORE IT IS WOUNDED
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Devian 666
Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.21 02:20:00 -
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Edited by: Devian 666 on 21/02/2008 02:22:21
Originally by: Windypops Personal grooming is another area where I could, quite frankly, do more.
Originally by: Windypops This involved purchasing a bottle of Mr Muscle drain unblocker, which I can heartily recommend, and applying it to the offending plughole before going to bed. Then rinsing it out the next day. After doing it, I started to experience an ever-so-slight sense of anticipation before showering.
The same writing style and the focus on domestic cleaning is refreshing.
Originally by: Darkrydar Oh and killboard loss arguments are so 2005.
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Marko Zhang
Destructive Flatulence
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Posted - 2008.02.21 02:33:00 -
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Originally by: windypops
Difficult Middle Child is quite the dirty bastard. He always looks like he's just got out of bed, a bed he's shared with a wet dog; the state of his fingernails suggest he's been scraping the crusts off cowpats, and his feet smell. Don't get me wrong; I'd die for the boy, but it might be down to me catching diphtheria off something he's touched rather than me giving him a kidney. He's a proper boy: I'd imagine he's spent some quality time sampling his own snot, chewing chewing gum he's prised off pavements and from the underside of desks, and playing with worms. What he hasn't spent quality time doing is wiping his bum properly, washing his hands properly, or climbing down from the toilet with his inadequately wiped arse properly. He's a mobile ecoli factory.
--- THE WOUNDED TIGER IS DE TIGER BEFORE IT IS WOUNDED
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Desiderata Fabian
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.21 03:04:00 -
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Originally by: Devian 666
The same writing style and the focus on domestic cleaning is refreshing.
I feel that his eve-o post are substantially inferior to this newly discovered work.
It is like finding a missing Shakespeare folio.
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Anglo
Minmatar Astral Mexicans
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Posted - 2008.02.21 07:43:00 -
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just another reason not to start play eve again :) it just aint fun anymore with all the major*****head alliances ruin the gametime... bob/goon etc.... i think many aint playing the game to be slaves.. or pay other to mine in 00... everyone pay the same amount of RL monney. so...
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Plan Neun
Caldari Ganja Unlimited CORE.
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Posted - 2008.02.21 07:45:00 -
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Originally by: General Windypops Ok, pretty much any post I make seems to get Goons hot under the collar, but I'm hoping that this won't degenerate into yet another flamefest.
I'm writing an open ultimatum to Goonfleet to ask them to, once and for all, clean up their act.
One of the huge sadnesses about this 'Great War' is that it could and should have been the greatest, most compelling battle that Eve has EVER seen. It's got all the right ingredients - an age old rivalry, endless twists and turns, and even seizmic changes in our political landscape that see one side, then the other seem in control, and the tide seeming set to turn once again.
Yet rather than being a fascinating clash that once again confirms Eve as, in my view, the greatest online game by miles it's in danger of becoming 'epic' for all the wrong reasons.
Goonfleet have the potential to be an awesome power within Eve, and I'm sure they've got some decent pilots in there, even if they're rarely given the chance to fight effectively and they've sure as hell got the numbers. But the incessant use of noobships and other 'irrelevant' ships simply to create such ridiculous lag that tactics become impossible is ruining what could be some awesome fights. Your allies have more than enough firepower and numbers to win the battle and tbqh your playstyle is hindering rather than helping your cause.
I know that I can sometimes be a controvertial figure (due to my attempts to clean up the forums) and at times I, too, have been guilty of getting overheated on what should be a mature, informative and (at times) amusing addition to our experience of this game. But the odd bit of baiting and ridicule on my part is nothing compared to the juvenile postings, personal attacks, threadnoughts, metagaming and deliberate attempts to aggrevate non-RSF players by references to R/L occurences have SURELY got to stop.
That's why I'm making this open appeal to Goonfleet leadership to FINALLY take action and be accountable for the actions of their members.
This has nothing to do with who is fighting who - I think everyone is loving the pew pew - but it's to do with maturity, respect, and - ultimately - making the game a better place for us all.
And that's why I'm making this ultimatum to Gloomswarm. Please, in all sincerity, clean up your act and we can make this game a better place, and this war the greatest clash an MMO has ever seen.
And if you're wondering, dear Goon leadership, what's in it for you I'll be blunt. If you don't sort yourselves out I'm going to switch to become a Goon fanboi. Just imagine the horror of seeing Windypops posting on your behalf, day in, day out. Serously. Just imagine it...
(PS - I'd also welcome a war dec from Goonfleet. I know those who don't agree with what I say LOVE to call me an alt, but I think you'll find I'm really rather active in game...)
C'mon - enough of the F-U, more of the Pew Pew!!
Edited title, removed caps - Mitnal
And what is a "noob-ship" a Tech 1 ship?
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Calimor
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.21 08:08:00 -
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Originally by: rValdez5987 I must say I agree with the OP.... As ive started reading CAOD, Im beginning to wonder why everyone is fighting BoB instead of goons.
Yes, I know why the north and south coalitions are fighting BoB, but Goons are really becoming irritating, and frankly, I wont miss them when they are gone.
I hate to say but judging by our previous 10 years, you'll probably stop EVE before goons do.
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Kilvane
Gallente RennTech SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.21 08:14:00 -
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goons are just muppets, just ingore them thats i do, and every1 that replys are just feeding them, let them think that they are somthink, but every1 in eve knows differently. so post what you want goons i really dont care, ------------------ Only The Dead See The End Of The War |
Muro Deez
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.21 08:20:00 -
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Originally by: Kilvane goons are just muppets, just ingore them thats i do, and every1 that replys are just feeding them, let them think that they are somthink, but every1 in eve knows differently. so post what you want goons i really dont care,
smash alliance
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Calimor
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.21 08:32:00 -
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Edited by: Calimor on 21/02/2008 08:32:30
Originally by: Kilvane and every1 that replys are just feeding them
Well, thanks for feeding me. I was getting kinda hungry.
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Cippalippus Primus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.21 08:54:00 -
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Originally by: General Windypops
Sadly, however, I've not seen a single decent justification.
The day we start justifying ourselves to pubbies and alts, it's the day goonfleet dies. -clp
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Twoside
Gallente Seven. Enuma Elish.
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Posted - 2008.02.21 10:13:00 -
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Edited by: Twoside on 21/02/2008 10:14:11 Edited by: Twoside on 21/02/2008 10:13:52
Originally by: Cippalippus Primus
Originally by: General Windypops
Sadly, however, I've not seen a single decent justification.
The day we start justifying ourselves to pubbies and alts, it's the day goonfleet dies.
A scandal! Windypops has been a very contributing member of our society, bringing forth the same 'arguments' over and over again for years on end, without listening to any counter arguments! I mean, we are blessed to have him asking the same questions over and over and over again, quoting bits and pieces he can abuse, ignoring what he can't; good thing other got banned for far less, but not windypops :) Thank you CCP for allowing his bitterness to be one of the most constant factors in this universe (besides the lag-feature ofc), it sure helped make CAOD to what it is today.
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WowZilla
The Leeroy Jenkins Project
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Posted - 2008.02.21 10:15:00 -
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Originally by: General Windypops 3 Goonswarm posts above me, all 3 of them direct, personal attacks. Pretty much says it all.
Still, I guess if you can't win the ball, just kick the player.
Originally by: General Windypops Personal attacks are not permitted on the forums. ~Saint
LOL - you're are a little dim windy. Keep posting though! Its keeps them goonies motivated. ______________________ I am the worst poaster |
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CCP Navigator
C C P
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Posted - 2008.02.21 10:49:00 -
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This thread has run its course.
Locked.
Navigator, Community Representative EVE Online, CCP Games Email/Netfang |
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