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BlackDragonShadow
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.02.18 23:03:00 -
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Maybe it's just me but it seems like Electronics Upgrades as a skill is almost totally worthless. The sole fact that I even have the skill is to one day be able to fly covert ops. Is Electronics Upgrades actually useful for anything else?
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Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.02.18 23:06:00 -
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Well, it does reduce CPU usage on some modules, so it might be useful for some tight fits.
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BlackDragonShadow
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.02.18 23:08:00 -
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Honestly I've never run out of CPU. Power grid sure but CPU? Never. But then again I don't do a lot of pvp and I know some of thous moduels can get pretty heavy.
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Jameroz
Art of War
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Posted - 2008.02.18 23:08:00 -
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Quote:
Skill at installing Electronic upgrades, e.g. signal amplifier, Co-Processors and backup sensor array. 5% reduction of sensor upgrade CPU needs per skill level.
While in general this isn't so useful there are some fits that may need this.
Tech 2 co-processor needs level 4 of this skill. Tech2 Signal Amplifier needs level 5, but those are hardly used. Does it matter tho? Atleast it's good skill to have so you can fly covert ops and recons.
Btw. there is Skills forum for discussion about skills
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Pohbis
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Posted - 2008.02.18 23:08:00 -
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Edited by: Pohbis on 18/02/2008 23:10:13 OP: 0 - ECM: 1
Yes it's usefull. Unless you belong in the "Nerf ECM" crowd ;)
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.02.18 23:12:00 -
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Black Market, did it get pulled alltogether and what about those with it maxed out?
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Cult of Rawr
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Posted - 2008.02.19 01:07:00 -
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Tactical Shield Manipulation
seriously, it makes no difference for Active Tanks and it actually makes Passive shieldtanks worse since you're ever so slightly more likely to go below peak recharge instead of taking a small dent to the armour.
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Luigi Thirty
Caldari 19th Star Logistics
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Posted - 2008.02.19 01:26:00 -
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Originally by: Rawr Cristina Tactical Shield Manipulation
seriously, it makes no difference for Active Tanks and it actually makes Passive shieldtanks worse since you're ever so slightly more likely to go below peak recharge instead of taking a small dent to the armour.
Don't forget that for 3 years, when you got it to level 5, it broke and did absolutely nothing. ---- DOMINIX IS INVINCIBLEBLUE:(((( |
An Anarchyyt
Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.19 01:27:00 -
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Salvage Drone Operation! OMG RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!111
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.19 02:19:00 -
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Originally by: Rawr Cristina Tactical Shield Manipulation
seriously, it makes no difference for Active Tanks and it actually makes Passive shieldtanks worse since you're ever so slightly more likely to go below peak recharge instead of taking a small dent to the armour.
No it does not. You dont understand how it works. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Kreul Intentions ([email protected]) |
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Vitrael
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.02.19 02:25:00 -
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Originally by: Rawr Cristina Tactical Shield Manipulation
seriously, it makes no difference for Active Tanks and it actually makes Passive shieldtanks worse since you're ever so slightly more likely to go below peak recharge instead of taking a small dent to the armour.
The idea is that if you are tanking shields you most likely have higher resistances there and a hit taken in armor would be more damaging.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Cult of Rawr
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Posted - 2008.02.19 03:19:00 -
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Originally by: Esmenet
No it does not. You dont understand how it works. The bleed through comes in addition to shield damage.
Definately didn't used to work like that , must be a recent change. Bleed-through was never additional damage the last time I really played this game (a good 8 months by now), simply a case of your shieids not taking the full brunt of the dmg and letting a little slip through. It really isn't enough to make a difference though, not like when I played pre-Exodus anyway (where ships would often pop with small amounts of armour and shield left because of the sheer amount of bleedthrough that happened back then)
Quote: The idea is that if you are tanking shields you most likely have higher resistances there and a hit taken in armor would be more damaging.
The point was, if you were Passive Tanking and your Shield Tank was only just on the verge of failure (30% ish) then having a small fraction of the DPS hitting you being diverted to your armour could stop you from going below the critical Peak Recharge rate of your shields. And trust me, losing a little armour was a million times more preferable to losing your Shield Regen, as the latter was frequently related to certain death
Again, though, if the mechanics of TSM have indeed been changed then this is no longer the case and there is no longer any advantage in having it untrained.
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syphurous
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.02.19 04:24:00 -
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Originally by: An Anarchyyt Salvage Drone Operation! OMG RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!111
Hehe, I have it trained, and two copies sitting in a hanger. Not useless when I could sell them.
Originally by: GM Faolchu People salvaging your missions npcs or the player you just blew up are doing nothing wrong.
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Matalino
Gallente Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.02.19 05:58:00 -
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Originally by: Rawr Cristina The point was, if you were Passive Tanking and your Shield Tank was only just on the verge of failure (30% ish) then having a small fraction of the DPS hitting you being diverted to your armour could stop you from going below the critical Peak Recharge rate of your shields. And trust me, losing a little armour was a million times more preferable to losing your Shield Regen, as the latter was frequently related to certain death
There is NO shield bleedthrough at 30%, regardless of what level of TSM you have trained.
Shield bleedthrough doesn't start until 25%, by which point you are already dropping well below your peak recharge. If your passive shield tank didn't hold at 30%, it will be going down so fast at this point that bleedthrough will not gain you any noticable recharge. If you kill off enough incoming damage or warp out before your shields fail, then you will be better off if there was no damage done to your armour at all.
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Scrutt5
Snuff inc
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Posted - 2008.02.19 06:10:00 -
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Fast Talk.
Most usless skill since it has never worked to my knowledge.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.19 06:12:00 -
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Originally by: Scrutt5 Fast Talk.
Most usless skill since it has never worked to my knowledge.
aaah, I training it up... seems to do something... a little but something
BTW, Interdictors is a useless skill because heavy dictor pilots dont need to be able to fly regular dictors
Originally by: Avaricia look a goon lol
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Scrutt5
Snuff inc
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Posted - 2008.02.19 06:18:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Originally by: Scrutt5 Fast Talk.
Most usless skill since it has never worked to my knowledge.
aaah, I training it up... seems to do something... a little but something
BTW, Interdictors is a useless skill because heavy dictor pilots dont need to be able to fly regular dictors
Except that a dictor can drop the bubble and hit his mwd, Hictor cant. Major plus's still for the standard dictor.
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Joe Starbreaker
Starbreaker Spaceways
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Posted - 2008.02.19 09:07:00 -
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Caldari Industrial
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Slate Fistcrunch
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Posted - 2008.02.19 09:33:00 -
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fast talk works now
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RaTTuS
BIG Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2008.02.19 09:47:00 -
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caldari industrial gets you to charons - biggest hauler in game...
-- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve & Portrait Server
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Ranger802004
Caldari Knights Of the Black Sun Brotherhood Of Steel
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Posted - 2008.02.19 09:56:00 -
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TSM V is a must for Caldari Capital Ships :)
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The Herrick
Gallente Bumsax United
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Posted - 2008.02.19 10:10:00 -
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Defender missiles?
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ZerKar
Caldari Zen'Tar
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Posted - 2008.02.19 10:27:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Starbreaker Caldari Industrial
No Caldari Industrail is great, it is Caldari Battleship that is the worthless Caldari Skill. +++++++++++++++ For the LAST time...
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Agil TradeAlt
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Posted - 2008.02.19 10:30:00 -
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Edited by: Agil TradeAlt on 19/02/2008 10:30:05 Those connection skills group for agents standing
You train them but relise they have the same effect as diplomacy and thus do not stack on top of diplomacy so you cannot use -5 agents ever, meaning you wasted time training up social skills.
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Ping Li
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Posted - 2008.02.19 10:38:00 -
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Originally by: Rawr Cristina
Originally by: Esmenet
No it does not. You dont understand how it works. The bleed through comes in addition to shield damage.
Definately didn't used to work like that , must be a recent change.
I tested this about 2 years ago for the first time (i was actually testing the bug this skill had when trained to lvl5), but at that time it already was additional damage so it is not a very recent change Because of the small amount of leak-damage it doesn't really matter though.
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Gaven Blands
Caldari interimo
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Posted - 2008.02.19 11:19:00 -
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Isn't Covert Ops reason enough?
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Gieron
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Posted - 2008.02.19 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: BlackDragonShadow Honestly I've never run out of CPU. Power grid sure but CPU? Never.
As a miner I run out of CPU all the time, but never have trouble with the power grid.
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Susa Ou
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Posted - 2008.02.19 11:50:00 -
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Advanced Space Ship Command
useless skill.
andon Caldari BB5. I try to warn people, but they don't listin. . .
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Gabinus
Gallente Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2008.02.19 12:29:00 -
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Most useless skill ever. srsly... --------- Don't hate me because i look good. |
Mona X
Caldari Polish Task Forces C0VEN
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Posted - 2008.02.19 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: ZerKar
Originally by: Joe Starbreaker Caldari Industrial
No Caldari Industrail is great, it is Caldari Battleship that is the worthless Caldari Skill.
Thanks to the worthless Caldari Battleship you can fly: 1. Great sniper. 2. Great close range pwnager. 3. Or great PvE ship 4. Great EW ship.
Four diffrent ships with just one skill, and that's before the CNR, tech 2 or capitals. Show me another battleship skill which gives that much.
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