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Ciya
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Posted - 2008.02.27 16:23:00 -
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So I was playing with evemon and it seems I could learn to fly and equip a retriever in 10days, how much is the avarage isk/hour in highsec mining?
At the moment I'm focusing on frigate/destroyer skills and small turrets and rockets etc so I would either make money ratting or possibly with mining, just wondering if its worth the 10day investment or should I just rat 0.1 with my rifter?
No, I wont learn to fly cruisers or bc and do missions.
Thank you for replies.
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Matalino
Gallente Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.02.27 16:31:00 -
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If you are willing to go into low sec and rat with your rifter, that will likely earn you more than mining in a retriever.
If you are planning to stay in hi sec then mining with retriever will do better than any combat ship until you get to level 3 missions.
Since you have ruled out the possiblity of missions the answer should be pretty obvious. I am suprised that you needed to ask, as hi sec mining is even less exciting than mission running.
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Billy Sastard
Amarr Life. Universe. Everything.
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Posted - 2008.02.27 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Ciya ...
No, I wont learn to fly cruisers or bc and do missions.
Thank you for replies.
This right here pretty much says to me 'I don't want to run missions'. That leaves you ratting and mining. If you want to have less risk get in a retreiver and go mine. Ratting in .1 in your rifter can make decent isk as well, but is more riskiy -=^=-
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Ciya
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Posted - 2008.02.27 18:38:00 -
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Yeah I've been ratting in 0.1 for few days, I can handle lowsec and stuff, it just doesnt seem I'm realy making that much money, best spawns being 3x ~100k cruisers that take me some time to kill.
My goal would be to get into T2 frigs and destroyers and they and their mods are costly, thats why I'm wondering if highsec mining would make lets say like 10mill isk/hour or so to fuel my T2 ship plans, ratting atleast with my skills doesnt seem to be so effective.
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Letouk Mernel
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Posted - 2008.02.27 18:57:00 -
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Mining with cruisers in high sec would make you about 2 mil / hr, and if you switch to a Hulk with relatively high mining skills, you can approach 5-6 mil / hr, provided that the system is devoid of ore thieves or anyone else mining (a Hulk can chew through belts at an alarming rate, and so if anyone else is mining, you won't find enough roids to chew).
The above numbers are also assuming that mineral prices stay at their current levels, and don't include the time spent moving the minerals to market (which can be significant, depending on what hauler you have).
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Zev'Nar
Minmatar Carebear Salvagers Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.02.27 20:29:00 -
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I am training up retrievers at the moment just to take a break from running missions. I can't imagine doing one or the other exclusively. I'm guessing mission running will be making me more money when I figure in the salvaging. |
Kahega Amielden
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Posted - 2008.02.27 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ciya So I was playing with evemon and it seems I could learn to fly and equip a retriever in 10days, how much is the avarage isk/hour in highsec mining?
At the moment I'm focusing on frigate/destroyer skills and small turrets and rockets etc so I would either make money ratting or possibly with mining, just wondering if its worth the 10day investment or should I just rat 0.1 with my rifter?
No, I wont learn to fly cruisers or bc and do missions.
Thank you for replies.
1) You can try running cosmic anomalies. Go near a planet and use your ship scanner. They can be interesting, and can have faction enemies
2) Keep in mind that in lowsec ratting you want to try getting some faction spawns. You could learn to "Chain", or just keep on doing what you are. However, look for faction spawns like SHADOW serpentis, DREAD guristas, etc...they will have a huge bounty and have the chance of dropping faction loot which can be sold via the contract system.
3) You wont make too much in your Rifter because it takes a long time for a rifter to kill anything. I know you've already said you wont be moving to cruisers/BCs, but ratting in those would probably be more profitable -if- you fit it well.
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ZerKar
Caldari Zen'Tar
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Posted - 2008.02.27 21:33:00 -
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Normal Mining in Highsec = Craptastic thanks to the falling demands brought on by Macros. IF you want to really make some money and are not afraid of uber boredom while doing it learn to Ice Mine. Ice Mining in High Sec can bring in some pretty solid Cash with less need for other industrail skills. Besides that just keep doing what you are doing or see if you can tackle something in 0.0. +++++++++++++++ For the LAST time...
Keep your UGLY Typhoon off my SEXY Hurricane |
Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.02.28 05:49:00 -
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An individual in a hulk with t2 gear and crystals with a good system in mind can aquire 200 million ISK in about a week off the minerals (assuming 6.75 rep with station) on buy orders. One can expect 250-300 million if you use sell orders.
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Randal Pax
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Posted - 2008.02.28 08:32:00 -
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250 to 300 mil a week?
if you have a macro maybe, in a hulk you will have a hard time making over 10 mil an hour in empire (this is with a hauler alt and mining continuously) so by my calculations that is 30+ hours a week, mining....
that is a lot if EVE time for that isk :)
join a good 0.0 corp, that has good ore (ark, bis, crok) and you will make 20-30 mil an hour in that same ship. ill admit the logistics and buy prices in 0.0 are rough, but in a good corp it wont be too hard.
BTW i have a maxed skilled hulk and i can make 20 mil an hour mining, easy, 30-40 if its in a hidden belt
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Artheon
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Posted - 2008.02.28 13:01:00 -
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I agree with the above poster - if you are considering mining then do think about joining an industrial corp. It is a lot easier and more profitable than trying to do it alone.
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.02.28 17:13:00 -
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Edited by: Jacob Mei on 28/02/2008 17:13:15
Originally by: Randal Pax 250 to 300 mil a week?
if you have a macro maybe, in a hulk you will have a hard time making over 10 mil an hour in empire (this is with a hauler alt and mining continuously) so by my calculations that is 30+ hours a week, mining....
that is a lot if EVE time for that isk :)
join a good 0.0 corp, that has good ore (ark, bis, crok) and you will make 20-30 mil an hour in that same ship. ill admit the logistics and buy prices in 0.0 are rough, but in a good corp it wont be too hard.
BTW i have a maxed skilled hulk and i can make 20 mil an hour mining, easy, 30-40 if its in a hidden belt
Nope no marco. I use 2 accounts (one to mine and one to transport) and mine about 3-4 hours a night(If I were to mine everyday, that is 21 hours, however I only mine maybe 5 days out of the week, which translates to 15 hours a week which would translate to 22 million isk an hour, if my math is right). There are systems in empire that are just as heavy with the ore as 0.0 and low sec is, I wont tell you what ones but they do exist. I will say though that the largest kernite rock ive seen is 13,000 units worth of fiery kernite in a high sec empire system. These are public belts to boot as ive found trying to use grav sites tends to not be cost effective in empire space.
I will say that my skills and ship are thus:
Exhumer 4 3 T2 strip miners 2 T2 MLU T2 Mining crystals Mining foreman 5
Im not using mining implants either but I intend to.
Also, its 200 million a week if you use buy orders, not sell orders. Sell orders in my experience will give you 250-300 million isk, but it will be spread out over several days to weeks depending on your location and compition.
The way I mine is solo and as a result in under a year or mining solo (thats from being in an atron to presently a hulk) ive been able to cover all my expenses. The largest ship I have at present is a Obelisk which only took me 3 months of mining in empire space to procure (thats skills included).
I think alot of people, many miners included, dont understand that you can be successful in mining if you know what you are doing. Simply being within 15km of a rock and pushing a button is only scratching the surface of the profession.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.02.28 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Randal Pax 250 to 300 mil a week?
if you have a macro maybe, in a hulk you will have a hard time making over 10 mil an hour in empire (this is with a hauler alt and mining continuously) so by my calculations that is 30+ hours a week, mining....
that is a lot if EVE time for that isk :)
join a good 0.0 corp, that has good ore (ark, bis, crok) and you will make 20-30 mil an hour in that same ship. ill admit the logistics and buy prices in 0.0 are rough, but in a good corp it wont be too hard.
BTW i have a maxed skilled hulk and i can make 20 mil an hour mining, easy, 30-40 if its in a hidden belt
college kid on break, 30 hours is nothing
or cargo expanded hulk, can be doing homework/reading/watching tv and playing at the same time.
if I'm in my room every night from say 5-10, on week days, theres 200 mil a week (slightly less than your 30 hours, but using an upper range of buy orders yay estimates)
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.02.28 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
Originally by: Randal Pax 250 to 300 mil a week?
if you have a macro maybe, in a hulk you will have a hard time making over 10 mil an hour in empire (this is with a hauler alt and mining continuously) so by my calculations that is 30+ hours a week, mining....
that is a lot if EVE time for that isk :)
join a good 0.0 corp, that has good ore (ark, bis, crok) and you will make 20-30 mil an hour in that same ship. ill admit the logistics and buy prices in 0.0 are rough, but in a good corp it wont be too hard.
BTW i have a maxed skilled hulk and i can make 20 mil an hour mining, easy, 30-40 if its in a hidden belt
college kid on break, 30 hours is nothing
or cargo expanded hulk, can be doing homework/reading/watching tv and playing at the same time.
if I'm in my room every night from say 5-10, on week days, theres 200 mil a week (slightly less than your 30 hours, but using an upper range of buy orders yay estimates)
College yes, break no. I play at night after dinner and studying for a few hours, sence my classes are all around the noon hour I can get away with staying up rather late.
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Gedid Tava
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Posted - 2008.02.28 23:51:00 -
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Edited by: Gedid Tava on 28/02/2008 23:54:28 If you're not going to get into missions or farm cash via ratting then mining or trade (or piracy) is really what is left. Highsec mining is fantastic for keeping yourself in a healthy supply of inexpensive ships. Mine more often if you want more expensive equipment or t2 rides.
Just some rough (read: bad) math and my memory I think that I can solo haul about 5-5.5m/hr with a Covetor/hauler in 0.5. My refining skills are ok (3 in ore, 4 in refinery) and corp standing is about 3.25 iirc. This doesn't count opportunity cost of flying my minerals to market but I'm ok with that. If you've got the prereqs to get into a retriever and aren't going for other big-money paths, you might as well punch rocks.
Depending on where I go now (battleships? frigate specialist? something else?) I may or may not have a better way to make money in the future. But, until I do, mining will -easily- support any t1 habit I may develop.
edit: poor pre-post editing
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.02.29 03:05:00 -
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heh break was fresh in my mind as i just came off not to long ago. heh last week of january, first few weeks of feb, a week off in feb and then this week. and then 5 hrs a day 5 days a week might be a bit underestimating.
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Vertex Eisenstein
Gallente The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.02.29 03:14:00 -
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Personally I would not recommend it. Mining was my major income source when I started, but min prices have dropped due to the drone regions being brought in. You can make some isk, but it is a time sink and it aint much fun.
As a new player your best bet is salvaging your own missions if you are looking to make isk.
If I had to do it over again I would not train barges/exhumers until I expected to get some 0.0 access in the near future.
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.02.29 07:10:00 -
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Originally by: Vertex Eisenstein Personally I would not recommend it. Mining was my major income source when I started, but min prices have dropped due to the drone regions being brought in. You can make some isk, but it is a time sink and it aint much fun.
As a new player your best bet is salvaging your own missions if you are looking to make isk.
If I had to do it over again I would not train barges/exhumers until I expected to get some 0.0 access in the near future.
Mining certainly isnt for everyone and the main reason I do it is to fuel my other habits when im watching tv or reading. I think the question anyone should really ask themselves is how best to manage their time. If they have alot of time to kill and an itchy trigger finger then go for the missions. If you can split your focus (IE read a book while mining) then go mine as its the perfect way to make isk while studying.
Course the worst thing anyone could do is stick to a single form of income, its best to do a mix of things like one week mine the next run missions.
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