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Tai K'ho
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Posted - 2008.03.01 15:10:00 -
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I hang in empire (0.5+) because of Stargates, EVE's "mechanics" and very core itself.
I will not play russian roulette at each and every jumps and warps. I will not use a 'scout alt' either; thats BALONEY gameplay. Its too easy to get preyed upon AND too hard to survive there without resorting to BALONEY gameplay like mid-warp bookmarks or flying off grid. I still have to reach a predictable grid before I can get to my safespot anyway.
We are not in space but in wall-less rooms with invisible doors. Why bother with planets with 12 moons if you can only warp into a tiny room, always the same room, no matter from where you approach? I'd go there in a daily basis if I had a jumpdrive (hyper drive? whatever) to travel between solar systems WITHOUT Stargates forcing me into tiny and predictable bottlenecks everywhere I go all the time so "I can PVP"
So thats it for me. Put some SPACE into my space-mmo, put some FUN into my internet-spaceship GAME then I will go out there and play it "right". --Sphit Ker. Trapped in a Trial Account. Send Help! |
Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.03.01 15:14:00 -
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You stupid loser, carebear empire pilots have no idea the 'risks' you percieve to be out in 00.
There's little to none. Every alliance has an info channel with people chattering away about hostile gangs and pirates. Local will keep you safe if you ahve half the brain to watch it...and that's it.
Only real danger is going between 00 > empire and vice versa. But even that is easy so long as you scan the outgoing gate for bubbles and run enough stabs to counter a small gang (three, honestly).
There's no real danger out here. I havent lost an indy ship to a gank in years. ----------------- Friends Forever
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente Deadly Addiction Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.03.01 15:20:00 -
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Edited by: Marcus TheMartin on 01/03/2008 15:21:13
Originally by: Gallant Nose
Originally by: Mynameistoby My character is chillin out maxin relaxin all cool sitting in station outside of the school
Joe Shooter?
will smif
Also people stay in highsec because
"HOW DARE I LOSE SHIPS THAT IS MADNESS!"
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Uzuness
Caldari stone grave haulage PROBABLE CAUSE
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Posted - 2008.03.01 15:33:00 -
[154]
Do I count as a carebear? I don't pewpew, but I wont avoid it.
Anywho.. I'm not in low sec. yet because I don't think I'm ready yet. Going to get more cash/skills then probably go join the Red vs. Blue thing.
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wammeh II
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Posted - 2008.03.01 15:39:00 -
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I was in 0.0 once (dif char). For a small year I think. Big alliance and everything. Pirates mostly ensured that none of us was making much money though, but it was ok fun. Then another alliance decided to steamroll us over and scattered us in under 2 days.
Point is...
If you're not hardcore you can either: A. Join a humongous alliance which can hold it's area tight and doesn't care if you're only online 2h a day. B. Join a well organized roaming pvp corp and have a cashcow eg selling ETC's... C. Stay in empire.
Failing either, you'll lose money faster than you can gain it in almost all areas bar a few lucky ones - provided you don't have a cashcow. Few do.
0.0 is too harsh for average gamers. Too much risk. Too much work. Too high TAX.
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Lebowske
Nosferatu Security Foundation
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Posted - 2008.03.01 15:42:00 -
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Edited by: Lebowske on 01/03/2008 15:42:55 Main reason I dont live in 0.0 is because I need a place where I can store whatever I own in a secure manner. This is because I play whenever my reallife dictates that I can play.
If I were to go back to 0.0 I would need: - Time to play, or time respond to events in our space. - Time to play whenever Eve dictates I have to play the game. - A way to rescue anything being left behind if our space was taken.
Hence, I carebear in a place where I know I can find my friends regardless of how long I've been absent.
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- It's better to keep your mouth shut and let people believe you're an idiot, rather than opening it and removing all doubt.
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Kolwrath
Amarr Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2008.03.01 16:12:00 -
[157]
Why am I not in 0.0?: (this is no exageration ... this is pretty close to what the last alliance I was in said to my corp)
- Alliance: You have to pay 30 million per member, per month to be out here with us.
- Me: Uhh ok?
- Alliance: You have to defend your own territory. We wont help you.
- Me: Uhh ok?
- Alliance: You have to be at our beck and call for fleet ops.
- Me: Uhh ...
- Alliance: You are confined to system X with 2-3 other corps for ratting and mining.
- Me: ....
- Alliance: You are not allowed to put up a POS in the system.
- Me: ....
- Me: ....
- Alliance: So yeah where is our 30 million?
- Me: So how does this benefit me again?
- Alliance: Give us the iskies or we kick you you lazy bear!
- Me: ...
- Me: ...
- Me: Screw this.
Originally by: Chaos Space Marines
Do you hear the voices, too?!?!
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.03.01 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Lebowske Edited by: Lebowske on 01/03/2008 15:42:55 Main reason I dont live in 0.0 is because I need a place where I can store whatever I own in a secure manner. This is because I play whenever my reallife dictates that I can play.
If I were to go back to 0.0 I would need: - Time to play, or time respond to events in our space. - Time to play whenever Eve dictates I have to play the game. - A way to rescue anything being left behind if our space was taken.
Hence, I carebear in a place where I know I can find my friends regardless of how long I've been absent.
NPC space...?
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
Marcus TheMartin
Gallente Deadly Addiction Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.03.01 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Kolwrath Why am I not in 0.0?: (this is no exageration ... this is pretty close to what the last alliance I was in said to my corp)
- Alliance: You have to pay 30 million per member, per month to be out here with us.
- Me: Uhh ok?
- Alliance: You have to defend your own territory. We wont help you.
- Me: Uhh ok?
- Alliance: You have to be at our beck and call for fleet ops.
- Me: Uhh ...
- Alliance: You are confined to system X with 2-3 other corps for ratting and mining.
- Me: ....
- Alliance: You are not allowed to put up a POS in the system.
- Me: ....
- Me: ....
- Alliance: So yeah where is our 30 million?
- Me: So how does this benefit me again?
- Alliance: Give us the iskies or we kick you you lazy bear!
- Me: ...
- Me: ...
- Me: Screw this.
Were you joing RA or something?
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Kolwrath
Amarr Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2008.03.01 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Originally by: Kolwrath Stuff
Were you joing RA or something?
Yeah ... big fun.
Originally by: Chaos Space Marines
Do you hear the voices, too?!?!
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente Deadly Addiction Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.03.01 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: Kolwrath
Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Originally by: Kolwrath Stuff
Were you joing RA or something?
Yeah ... big fun.
Try corps that aren't in the russian cluster****
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.03.01 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Kolwrath
Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Originally by: Kolwrath Stuff
Were you joing RA or something?
Yeah ... big fun.
Try, uh... well, just about anyone else.
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
RigelKentaurus
Flying Tartiflette Caldari Deep Space Industral
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Posted - 2008.03.01 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Sarakiel The reality is just like in the real world, people like to work together, and when theres more people things get done faster. There'll be frustration, but thats jsut part of the game, a game is about being challenged. Its about being frustrated. Its about being confused. Its about losing. Its about exhausting yourself. Its about falling asleep and being unable to stop thinking about your next move. Its about working together and all the pain that comes with that. Its about wanting to throw your computer out the window. All those feelings make success pay off even more and thats when you get the real emotional high that I hope you can relate to.
That's why I'm not in 0.0, I play EVE to have fun and relax, not to make it stressful job.
And don't tell me to go play another MMO, EVE is the only real MMO in space. _________
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.03.01 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Is for**** :sigh: Do you understand the basic premise of risk:reward
Perhaps you should study history a bit more....
In our own history there was very, very few times/places where being away from the centers of civilization actually made you more money/gold/whatever than being in the heart. There was always higher risk for less reward.
The "reward" of striking out on your own was the ability to claim space and chose your own destiny. NO one to tell you what to do, when to do it, etc. You could do your own thing without interferance as long as you were prepared to defend yourself. Eve's 0.0 doesn't allow that anymore for anyone not in a larger alliance. It is a war zone, not civilization being built.
You want the Carebears in 0.0 the answer is simple: quit shooting everything that moves. Same answer to getting them into Lowsec too. Amazing how that works.
Most carebears don't mind occasional fights (even though they suck at it), its the constant looking over your shoulder that don't interest them. They are your bank tellers, 7-11 clerks, gas station attendants, etc while to survive in 0.0 need to be Special Ops. Wrong mindset.
I think the worst thing CCP has done is make it easy for everyone to build their own stuff; basically the PvPers don't need the carebears because they can build what they want and the carebears don't need the PvPers if they stay in civilization.
0.0 cannot be civilized while there are players that desire to kill more than build. Since there is no dynamic alteration of security status and protections, and those that are "killed" just come back in another clone, Eve will never truely develop as most civilizations in the past.
20 years from now Empire will still be overcrowded, 0.0 will be constant warfare and Lowsec will be empty. And PvPers will be whining about carebears in Empire while carebears will be whining about Pirates and Pirates will be claiming that 0.0 is no fun but PvP in Lowsec has been nerfed.....
Originally by: Audri Fisher On the other, the emo tears being cryed in this thread tell me that just because you shoot somebody for a living, does not mean you aren't a carebear
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Yllse
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Posted - 2008.03.01 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Sarakiel Edited by: Sarakiel on 01/03/2008 08:45:10 The reality is just like in the real world, people like to work together, and when theres more people things get done faster. There'll be frustration, but thats jsut part of the game, a game is about being challenged. Its about being frustrated. Its about being confused. Its about losing. Its about exhausting yourself. Its about falling asleep and being unable to stop thinking about your next move. Its about working together and all the pain that comes with that. Its about wanting to throw your computer out the window. All those feelings make success pay off even more and thats when you get the real emotional high that I hope you can relate to.
Thing is... I save my efforts you describe above for real life.
Games are for fun and relaxation!
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.03.01 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Sarakiel
The reality is just like in the real world, people like to work together, and when theres more people things get done faster. There'll be frustration, but thats jsut part of the game, a game is about being challenged. Its about being frustrated. Its about being confused. Its about losing. Its about exhausting yourself. Its about falling asleep and being unable to stop thinking about your next move. Its about working together and all the pain that comes with that. Its about wanting to throw your computer out the window. All those feelings make success pay off even more and thats when you get the real emotional high that I hope you can relate to.
I have to chime in on this too
What most "elite" 0.0 players don't understand is that us carebears DO work together. We play together, we mine together, we build together, we run missions together. Hell, we even HAUL together.
It is more fun to play together than solo in most situations, agreed. The difference is we view constant fighting and warfare, frusterations and other things you are touting as "benefits" aren't so; they are irritations. We play to relax and have "fun" in our definition of it.
You aren't describing fun.
You realize that most empire carebears don't really care how much ISK they have as long as it meets their needs? The "You can make XXX Billions a week, if you would only become targets!" holds no interest to us. We have enough in our wallets to replace the ship we are flying and covet the next new toy. Its enough for us.
Originally by: Audri Fisher On the other, the emo tears being cryed in this thread tell me that just because you shoot somebody for a living, does not mean you aren't a carebear
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
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Posted - 2008.03.01 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby
Originally by: Sarakiel
The reality is just like in the real world, people like to work together, and when theres more people things get done faster. There'll be frustration, but thats jsut part of the game, a game is about being challenged. Its about being frustrated. Its about being confused. Its about losing. Its about exhausting yourself. Its about falling asleep and being unable to stop thinking about your next move. Its about working together and all the pain that comes with that. Its about wanting to throw your computer out the window. All those feelings make success pay off even more and thats when you get the real emotional high that I hope you can relate to.
I have to chime in on this too
What most "elite" 0.0 players don't understand is that us carebears DO work together. We play together, we mine together, we build together, we run missions together. Hell, we even HAUL together.
It is more fun to play together than solo in most situations, agreed. The difference is we view constant fighting and warfare, frusterations and other things you are touting as "benefits" aren't so; they are irritations. We play to relax and have "fun" in our definition of it.
You aren't describing fun.
You realize that most empire carebears don't really care how much ISK they have as long as it meets their needs? The "You can make XXX Billions a week, if you would only become targets!" holds no interest to us. We have enough in our wallets to replace the ship we are flying and covet the next new toy. Its enough for us.
No, 'elite' 0.0 players believe in teamwork too. You're mistaken in thinking that the the 'big alliances' don't do industry, supply, logistics.
They do.
Very much so. They do all the things that people empire side do, in harder conditions.
So they ask the question - we have some pilots who can do industry, supply and mining, and also have the balls to fight for their right to live somewhere. Why should we be recruiting 'deadweight' who won't?
The major difference between empire and 0.0 is in the latter, you lose more ships - but they're a cost of doing business, not an 'ohnoe, I am bankrupt' situation. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking? |
Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.03.01 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: James Lyrus
No, 'elite' 0.0 players believe in teamwork too. You're mistaken in thinking that the the 'big alliances' don't do industry, supply, logistics.
They do.
Very much so. They do all the things that people empire side do, in harder conditions.
So they ask the question - we have some pilots who can do industry, supply and mining, and also have the balls to fight for their right to live somewhere. Why should we be recruiting 'deadweight' who won't?
The major difference between empire and 0.0 is in the latter, you lose more ships - but they're a cost of doing business, not an 'ohnoe, I am bankrupt' situation.
I didn't say they didn't work together, and expect that they have to in order to survive.
But read most of the comments in ALL the threads griping about carebears; they all boil down to "You are playing a solo game in a MMO". It was even the gist of the player I was quoting. I was countering that myth.
And you shouldn't be recruiting who you would think is "dead weight", which makes me even more curious why threads like this exist. Most of 0.0 doesn't respect our play-style, we don't desire theirs. So why is everyone trying to force us together?
Those that want to be on the frontier and can handle it are already there (with a few exceptions, noteably those that are performing work for the Alliances/Corps in HighSec to help) while those of us that are the "common" folk in attitude are where we like to be. It really is that simple.
Originally by: Audri Fisher On the other, the emo tears being cryed in this thread tell me that just because you shoot somebody for a living, does not mean you aren't a carebear
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Sarakiel
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Posted - 2008.03.01 18:46:00 -
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Edited by: Sarakiel on 01/03/2008 18:52:06 Well I thought maybe... just maybe... that empire players just didnt know what the potential is to be had in 0.0 and losing ships is a well wortwhile cost but this is not the case. The problem is a lot more dire, and its in the lack of initiative and critical analysis on the part of the vast majority of empire players who have posted here:
1) You dont lose ships ratting/mining, if you do its cause your new and haven't learnt to pre-align to pos's and watch local (its a learning curve you get over it). If a roaming gang comes in, warp to a pos, what are they gonna do in hacs, recons, 'ceptors, dictors etc. Your invincibile till a cap fleet comes in.
2) Of course your going to get killed if you enter 0.0 as a neutral, are we going to set every single alliance/corp to red? If your not blue we have no idea who you are and hence shoot on sight. Join an alliance go through their means of entrance into their space.
3) You want to play the game never working in a team? Its an MMORPG. There are way better single player space combat games out there. You dont want to pvp roam? Don't. Do defend your alliance space when its under immediate threat (reds in a system ganking your mates) but hell if your not a pvp'er at all donate 20% of your mining profit to the corp to fund pvp'ers ships, no corp will ever refuse you, they'll love you. And at the rate some of you claim to be making mining kernite at best your making 3-4 times the money off crokite/arkonor/bistot.
I'm sorry guys, but you havent done your research. You havent put your time in to adequately defend your stance as to why your getting a solid game experience out of EvE. I see a few rational people who provide the following arguments.
-I play 2-4 hours a week, I cant contribute to an alliance and it would make me feel like a burden -Been there done that I play EvE 4 hours a week now and just watch my skill tree. Maybe i'll be back sometime but right now rl takes priority. -I like pirating, and I like pvp'ing in a very controlled environment and I never want anything different even if 0.0 provides a higher level of complexity and a greater feeling of purpose. I like WoW battlegrounds.
and the best one
When I'm ready i'll do it but right now I'm still getting into the game at my own pace.
Any words along those lines my hats off to you and I hope to see you out here. Anything else along the lines with I dont want to deal with the group pressures, a leader telling me what to do, and getting ganked cause im not blue are ridiculous. Do what you can out here and if that corp doesnt like it tell them this is how you play take me or leave me. You dont need to join BoB (which is dying anyhow), Goonsquad, Trium etc. Join a smaller newer alliance. If you commit 10 hours farming a week and give even an hour of that to the corp you're giving way more than any current corp member i've met gives. Or hell if your a manufacturer form your own corporation with a bunch of other manufacturers. When your big enough and you've got tons of blueprints you can sell yourself to any alliance and they'll fight to keep you if you'll keep them flying. Isnt it more fun to manufacture/mine with a purpose, knowing its your efforts that secure territory rather than just mining for no reason at all?
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.03.01 19:01:00 -
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Edited by: Anaalys Fluuterby on 01/03/2008 19:03:19
Originally by: Sarakiel
1) You dont lose ships ratting/mining, if you do its cause your new and have learnt to pre-align to pos's and watch local (its a learning curve you get over it). If a roaming gang comes in warp to a pos, what are they gonna do in hacs, recons, 'ceptors, dictors etc. Your invincibile till a cap fleet comes in.
I don't have to align, watch local constantly or worry about cap fleets in HighSec. I also don't have to run to a POS, I have these nice NPC Stations that provide for my needs.
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2) Of course your going to get killed if you enter 0.0 as a neutral, are we going to set every single alliance/corp to red? If your not blue we have no idea who you are and hence shoot on sight. Join an alliance go through their means of entrance into their space.
I happen to LIKE the people I play with and have no interest in joining someone else to go to another location. If more alliances didn't have a NBSI maybe you would have more players out there, but we really don't care about "your" space and are happy where we are and those who we play with right now.
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3) You want to play the game never working in a team? Its an MMORPG. There are way better single player space combat games out there. You dont want to pvp roam? Don't. Do defend your alliance space when its under immediate threat (reds in a system ganking your mates) but hell if your not a pvp'er at all donate 20% of your mining profit to the corp to fund pvp'ers ships, no corp will ever refuse you, they'll love you. And at the rate some of you claim to be making mining kernite at best your making 3-4 times that off crokite/arkonor/bistot.
lol, you obviously didn't read my post. We play WITH EACH OTHER all the time. We run missions together, we mine together, we kjump into Lowsec to go play with pirates together, we run COSMOS and exploration sites together, hell we even take small fleets of haulers to Jita together. Don't mistake Empire player as Single player. On any night some 3/4 of our corp will be PLAYING together
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I'm sorry guys, but you havent done your research. You havent put your time in to adequately defend your stance as to why your getting a solid game experience out of EvE. I see a few rational people who provide the following arguments.
FOrtunately, we DON'T have to "defend our stance" to you. It is YOU who is trying to sell YOUR play style to us, and failing. My game experience is just fine thank you and I enjoy it. Alot.
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Anything else along the lines with I dont want to deal with the group pressures, a leader telling me what to do, and getting ganked cause im not blue are ridiculous. Do what you can out here and if that corp doesnt like it tell them this is how you play take me or leave me. You dont need to join BoB (which is dying anyhow), Goonsquad, Trium etc. Join a smaller newer alliance. Or hell if your a manufacturer form your own corporation with a bunch of other manufacturers. When your big enough and you've got tons of blueprints you can sell yourself to any alliance and they'll fight to keep you if you'll keep them flying.
Why should I go out there and do such? I have friends, comrades, "protection", markets and everything else right here. I also have a very relaxed play style that suites my NEEDS in an online game. I can log when I want, not worry about watching local (except for known ore thieves and gankers), and do as I wish. Anyone that tries to mess with that gets themselves blown up.
Again, you aren't succeeding in trying to convince me why your style of play is "better" for me. I am perfectly happy, are you? If you are, why are you trying to convince me to join you or make me fit the mold you are in?
Basically you just don't "get" empire players. Give it up, we view fun in the game differently than you.
Originally by: Audri Fisher On the other, the emo tears being cryed in this thread tell me that just because you shoot somebody for a living, does not mean you aren't a carebear
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Danzig256k
Caldari Mortal Devastating Kin Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.01 19:23:00 -
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some of simply have no interest in it, i am aware there can be money to be made out there.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Cult of Rawr
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Posted - 2008.03.01 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Kolwrath Why am I not in 0.0?: (this is no exageration ... this is pretty close to what the last alliance I was in said to my corp)
- Alliance: You have to pay 30 million per member, per month to be out here with us.
- Me: Uhh ok?
- Alliance: You have to defend your own territory. We wont help you.
- Me: Uhh ok?
- Alliance: You have to be at our beck and call for fleet ops.
- Me: Uhh ...
- Alliance: You are confined to system X with 2-3 other corps for ratting and mining.
- Me: ....
- Alliance: You are not allowed to put up a POS in the system.
- Me: ....
- Me: ....
- Alliance: So yeah where is our 30 million?
- Me: So how does this benefit me again?
- Alliance: Give us the iskies or we kick you you lazy bear!
- Me: ...
- Me: ...
- Me: Screw this.
pretty much this.
being 'required' to pay corp tax, participate in mining ops, surrender all NPC loot, get so many kills per week and camp gates all day is not my idea of fun.
Alliance politics also make me cry
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Yllse
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Posted - 2008.03.01 19:41:00 -
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**sigh**
I originally answered the OP because I thought he might really want our answers, might want to understand.
I should know better when the post comes from a ten day old character.
Hasta la vista.
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Jernau Riggs
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Posted - 2008.03.01 19:43:00 -
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Quote: A covetor (tech 1 fully insureable mining barge) makes 25 million an hour mining crokite, bistot, and arkonor using tech 1 strip miners, tech 1 mining drones. This goes up to 40 million an hour with modulated strip miners, and tech 2 drones.
I'de love to know where your mining, because the mineral rates have dropped allot in the last year and with a hulk and t2 stripers and crystals i bearly make 20 mil an hour mining arkonor in 00
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Thenoran
Caldari The People's Liberation Army
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Posted - 2008.03.01 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: Jernau Riggs
Quote: A covetor (tech 1 fully insureable mining barge) makes 25 million an hour mining crokite, bistot, and arkonor using tech 1 strip miners, tech 1 mining drones. This goes up to 40 million an hour with modulated strip miners, and tech 2 drones.
I'de love to know where your mining, because the mineral rates have dropped allot in the last year and with a hulk and t2 stripers and crystals i bearly make 20 mil an hour mining arkonor in 00
Take off the taxes, all the constant alliance wars & politics, rats in battleships, the hassle/losses of refining it, getting it out of 0.0 and then finally having to make use of it for ISK or having to run all the way back and do it again for your blueprints and you end up with a similar amount of ISK then if you mined in High-sec, but with little to no hair pulling from the stress ------------------------
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Andrue
Amarr Federation Of Space Loonies Culture Shock Initiative
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Posted - 2008.03.01 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby
You realize that most empire carebears don't really care how much ISK they have as long as it meets their needs? The "You can make XXX Billions a week, if you would only become targets!" holds no interest to us. We have enough in our wallets to replace the ship we are flying and covet the next new toy. Its enough for us.
More importantly the only daily expenses are for ammo. That makes whatever we earn a 100% ptofit - or near to it. The nice thing about Empire really is that you keep what you earn and you earn at your own pace. Which is just the nature of Empire. Do what you want at the pace that suits you.
It makes it a pleasant diversion from real-life which is worth paying for. I would not pay a subscription just to extend my working day by another couple of hours. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran)
[Brackley, UK]
My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned. |
Andrue
Amarr Federation Of Space Loonies Culture Shock Initiative
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Posted - 2008.03.01 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby The "reward" of striking out on your own was the ability to claim space and chose your own destiny. NO one to tell you what to do, when to do it, etc. You could do your own thing without interferance as long as you were prepared to defend yourself. Eve's 0.0 doesn't allow that anymore for anyone not in a larger alliance. It is a war zone, not civilization being built.
..and yet the great irony is that players have more freedom in Empire space than they would get as members of most 0.0 alliances. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran)
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Jdestars
Stars Research systems Incorporation
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Posted - 2008.03.01 20:21:00 -
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Edited by: Jdestars on 01/03/2008 20:21:56 Why? - the politics(policy) of the alliances of claimer face to face neutral does not allow the survival simply and I refuse that an alliance dictates me mine.
My activities are directed to Market, Production T2 Invention and Exploration these activities cannot be serenely led in view of the first point -the attempts of economic opening towards 0.0 ended in pod (always the first point) -The activities of economic support are not viable on the markets sterile of 0.0 -the Alliances of claimer privilege exchanges them in closed circuit (nTguentropies of exchange)
(carebear with 74m of sp )
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techzer0
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.03.01 20:31:00 -
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I enjoy the disorganization and cluster**** that is my corp, and so do quite a few other guys. We'd get wtfowned out of 0.0 if we tried to hold space by fleets 10x the size we can field, and since I feel no need to go to highsec being -10 is just fine.
That and I don't do politics... I get enough of that at work, so I just like to relax, have a beer or two with a side of carebear tears when they lose their precious rigged hauler of doom ------------
Originally by: CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster
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Cipher7
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Posted - 2008.03.01 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: Is for**** Just because empire space is the most populace part of eve does not make it the core of the game
Most people in 0.0 are ****ed about empire as people can make just as much money there with none of the risk of null sec just by runnning missions
No actually "average 0.0 guy" is ****ed because I don't take orders from his hadolescent alliance leader. He's also ****ed because I'm not taking it in the rear like he is.
I don't take orders from college students and HVAC repairmen, and I have no interest in leading a mob of low IQ mouth breathers.
It's true that Empire is pretty much the core of Eve.
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