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Ioci
Gallente Ioci Exploration
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Posted - 2008.03.01 20:34:00 -
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And as someone has pointed out, Null has its own profit voiding system and at some point, you need to build ISK to survive in Eve. If for no other reason than to buy books, you need to be able to make a few billion on top of costs if your character is older than 6 months. That means grind and nobody likes grinding at the fancy of someone else, ie PvP junkies.
I don't view Safe sec players as Carebears. I view them as people who play a game using common sense. Most of the PvP in this game is mindless destruction and that's the part I can't get my head around. I can't bring myself to blow someone elses stuff up for a few million ISK knowing there is a far more effective way to do it and it won't cost them a hundred fifty million. I do fly Null. I do it for reasons other than ISK building though. I hope for those rare named loots and frankly they aren't there! Hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of Sansha Lords and what do I have? The same piles of junk I would have got in Level 4's.
Null sec is great for the rush. A short term venture that can be fun. It's not a PvE focus point though and I doubt it ever will be. I don't know if that's a bad thing. I do know what draws people to stay in safe. They are PvE players and if CCP runs them off, the game will look alot like a ghost town. I don't see that happening. |
Berrik Radhok
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.01 20:55:00 -
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There's nothing stopping folks from going and hanging out in IAC space. They have a Not Red Don't Shoot policy and are fairly chill.
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Laramon Questor
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2008.03.01 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: Berrik Radhok There's nothing stopping folks from going and hanging out in IAC space. They have a Not Red Don't Shoot policy and are fairly chill.
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I am former IAC, and yet I've been run out of 1P so many times it's not even funny. Master of Arms Liason, Angel Cartel Sergeant, Archangels Dedication: 220% |
Cipher7
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Posted - 2008.03.01 21:20:00 -
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Edited by: Cipher7 on 01/03/2008 21:21:23 I would actually like to hang out in Providence except I would be forced to fight my Matari brothers in Ushra'Khan.
Either that or CVA would prolly shoot me for my corp history.
Back when UK owned 9uy, I hung out there as a neutral it was cool.
Truth is UK was the only alliance I ever gave a crap about and they don't want me, so I have nowhere to live at the moment except hisec.
I lived out of ISS Fabrica for a while, back when ISS allowed neutrals to live there, but they're gone now.
If there was a NRDS zone available to me I would prolly live there at least part-time. Heck I would even help out in defense.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Cult of Rawr
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Posted - 2008.03.01 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: techzer0 I enjoy the disorganization and cluster**** that is my corp
I'd sign up if only I didn't mind going -10 again
Fight Piracy - Encourage PvP in Lowsec! |
Sarakiel
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Posted - 2008.03.01 21:41:00 -
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Edited by: Sarakiel on 01/03/2008 21:41:53
Originally by: Jernau Riggs
I'de love to know where your mining, because the mineral rates have dropped allot in the last year and with a hulk and t2 stripers and crystals i bearly make 20 mil an hour mining arkonor in 00
Your not doing your own hauling then or your hauling with the cargo bay of your hulk. If your not willing to do that than you'd still be making WAY less in empire space (5-8 million an hour if you could mine kernite only). I run 3 accounts when I mine. A tanker, a hauler, and a miner. If empire players came out to 0.0 in large numbers I wouldnt have to do anything but my own hauling at most. yes mineral prices would go down, but so would ship prices.
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Sarakiel
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Posted - 2008.03.01 21:43:00 -
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Edited by: Sarakiel on 01/03/2008 21:45:24 Alright after reading all these responses I think I have a honed my opinion and corrected some of my mistakes.
Heres what it really boils down to I suppose. There are two major elements to mmorpgs PVE and PVP. The fact is EvE pve is garbage, there are way better PVE games. This game is about pvp and the fully run player economy. If your trying to say that your EvE is missioning then I have a problem with you because your too naive to search for a game that would offer you even more fun.
I'll have to concede that if its anything else then your playing the game for what it is your just doing it really inefficiently or in nicer words a format that suits you best. If your cool with that I cant argue with that.
I still hold that many have MANY misconceptions about 0.0 space, but that'll have to be your job to decide when you'll take a good amount of time to experience 0.0 space, and it'll have to be alliance leaders and corp recruiters working more on selling you on the benefits of 0.0 and giving you a real perspective of what its like.
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techzer0
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.03.01 21:47:00 -
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Originally by: Rawr Cristina
Originally by: techzer0 I enjoy the disorganization and cluster**** that is my corp
I'd sign up if only I didn't mind going -10 again
Alts ftw.
I swear my girlfriend would leave me if she knew how much I spend on an internet spaceship game ------------
Originally by: CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster
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Willow Falls
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Posted - 2008.03.01 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher7 Edited by: Cipher7 on 01/03/2008 21:21:23 I would actually like to hang out in Providence except I would be forced to fight my Matari brothers in Ushra'Khan.
If there was a NRDS zone available to me I would prolly live there at least part-time. Heck I would even help out in defense.
I know theres a chance that youd rather eat your own hair than consider this seeing as your ex U.K but have you thought about hanging out in Sylph space. As far as im aware they still run NRDS and you certainly wouldnt be required to help out shooting at U.K.
Tbh i doubt your past will be a real problem to just being in the area assuming you havent just left UK really recently. ( cant check as im at work )
Sure its not the best 0.0 in EVE but it is 0.0
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Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.01 22:05:00 -
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Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 01/03/2008 22:07:00
Originally by: Sarakiel Edited by: Sarakiel on 01/03/2008 21:45:24 Alright after reading all these responses I think I have a honed my opinion and corrected some of my mistakes.
Heres what it really boils down to I suppose. There are two major elements to mmorpgs PVE and PVP. The fact is EvE pve is garbage, there are way better PVE games. This game is about pvp and the fully run player economy. If your trying to say that your EvE is missioning then I have a problem with you because your too naive to search for a game that would offer you even more fun.
I'll have to concede that if its anything else then your playing the game for what it is your just doing it really inefficiently or in nicer words a format that suits you best. If your cool with that I cant argue with that.
I still hold that many have MANY misconceptions about 0.0 space, but that'll have to be your job to decide when you'll take a good amount of time to experience 0.0 space, and it'll have to be alliance leaders and corp recruiters working more on selling you on the benefits of 0.0 and giving you a real perspective of what its like.
Aside from your silly 'my way or the highway' attitude, you also have no clue what EVE really is about, and some problems understanding what gaming means to most people.
EVE is neither about PvP nor about PvE. It is about space. Period. And as long as there is no other half decent space MMOG, you just have to live with a very varied player base. I actually consider this a good thing, variety is always good. Also what makes YOU the one authority on saying whether EVE PvE is garbage or not? I enjoy it even after more than two years of playing. Not constantly, but I always come back to missioning in pimp rides eventually. And in fact, missioning is a form of PvP as well, at least if you are doing it competitively (I.e. you are rather anal about finishing as fast as possible). EVE missions are definitely more fun that something silly like X3.
Sure, PvP is more thrilling, and my best non-ship-pimping moments in EVE were all in PvP and not in missions, but often I do not want thrill, I want a nice relaxed 'Your Chelm's Modified Tachyon Beam Laser hits Corpus Archon for wtfpwnage damage'.
Just because that is hard to understand for you does not mean that people do not play this game for relaxation. That IS the primary purpose of a game after all. Or maybe the line between game and reality is blurred for you already?
There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Scorpion There is no 'e' in Caldari There is no makeup in rogue drones |
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HenkieBoy
Enrave
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Posted - 2008.03.01 22:26:00 -
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Thats easy.. I aint in 0.0 because AAA kicked KOS out of 0.0
If alliances would share space, more people would be in 0.0. But thats not the case, so... here I am flying around in high-sec
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Djinn Phluxx
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Posted - 2008.03.01 22:27:00 -
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There's a reason stats and facts suck. It applies very much in reality and some people are great at spinning some 'facts' to make a situation seem more appealing.
In the game, this can happen as well.
For example. What may or may not be a fact. "-A covetor (tech 1 fully insureable mining barge) makes 25 million an hour mining crokite, bistot, and arkonor using tech 1 strip miners, tech 1 mining drones. This goes up to 40 million an hour with modulated strip miners, and tech 2 drones."
Now...the bare bones of this appealing sounding fact. The most obvious is a covetor has to last for an hour to make any amount of ISK in an hour. Already we have fine print. It makes 25 million blah blah (provided you have protection from rats). Let's assume we do. Mining doesn't generate ISK. It generates minerals in cargo bays. A tech 1 covetor can't carry much. Is a hauler necessary? Probably. Where is this stuff going to be hauled? Not every place can be refined. Not all POSs let just anyone in. How many jumps will we have to go? How safe are those jumps? Will we need more people to protect us from 10 man bubble camps? Possibly. Well, let's just get 5 people, then. They can wander around ratting while you mine, then escort you to a location where you can refine and sell. But they want 3 mil an hour. no worries...we can make 25 million, so that still leaves us with a profit of 10 million after we've paid everyone off and gone through about 20 minutes of jumps (this cuts into 1/3 of our profit time, but we HAVE to jump...we can't just sit there in a covetor and mine and expect ISK to enter our wallets).
So we keep 10 mil. Well, in high sec...one can make 10 mil in an hour and 20 minute just mining pyroxeres or something without having to get together a group of people that are willing and able to assist. That's in a covetor. With just three mining drones. And it's a conservative estimate. When I spend an hour mining out pyroxeres and veld in a belt, then whip out an itty to sell it all after refining I typically pull in about $12 mil ISK with little or no risk.
Item 2. Battleship ratting. I'll just stay with the obvious answer here. Can I kill a battleship? I'd give it 50/50. Maybe worse, since the largest combat ship I can use is pretty small and the only T2 item I can put on it is an overdrive. Can I kill 2 battleships? No. How many people can? Well, I'd wager the number of people not doing it speaks volumes. Why go to 0.0 when they can do something similar in 5.0+ with less risk?
I'd wager that 78% of the playerbase just doesn't feel that potential is the point of Eve.
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Testicular Testes
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Posted - 2008.03.01 23:11:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher7
I don't take orders from college students and HVAC repairmen, and I have no interest in leading a mob of low IQ mouth breathers.
*puts on tophat and monocle* "Top o' the morning to you fellow CNR pilot, why how nice of you to send me a ganginvite, we should most certainly cooperate" *loses CNR and makes post on E-O about mouthbreathing griefers*
Don't we all wish to be so clever and sophisticated that we can take endlessly repeating NPC missions and show off awesome **** we grinded for \o/
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Sarakiel
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Posted - 2008.03.02 00:21:00 -
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Edited by: Sarakiel on 02/03/2008 00:26:04 I'll go ahead and say I've been trolled, im gonna play along.
Originally by: Djinn Phluxx
The most obvious is a covetor has to last for an hour to make any amount of ISK in an hour.
*ahem* its a fully insureable t1 ship. You made your money back when you bought it
Quote: It makes 25 million blah blah (provided you have protection from rats).
This is why you can afk tank rats with a battleship shield/armor repairing. Run an alt, or find friends to mine with.
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Mining doesn't generate ISK. It generates minerals in cargo bays. A tech 1 covetor can't carry much. Is a hauler necessary? Probably
Always if your going to mine effectively, how is this any different in empire?
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Where is this stuff going to be hauled? Not every place can be refined.
Plenty of 0.0 stations have refining arrays.
Quote: Not all POSs let just anyone in. How many jumps will we have to go? How safe are those jumps? Will we need more people to protect us from 10 man bubble camps?
Gatecamps exist at the chokepoints of entry to 0.0 space. No you will not need people to protect you within your space in the form of gatecamping.
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Well, let's just get 5 people, then. They can wander around ratting while you mine, then escort you to a location where you can refine and sell. But they want 3 mil an hour.
You will never pay players to defend you, ever. You will never need players to escort you 1 to 2 jumps to the nearest station. You may pay your alliance a small portion of your mining (10% is the average refining tax in a station). But this is ridiculous, where you are you getting this notion?
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Well, in high sec...one can make 10 mil in an hour and 20 minute just mining pyroxeres or something without having to get together a group of people that are willing and able to assist. That's in a covetor. With just three mining drones. And it's a conservative estimate. When I spend an hour mining out pyroxeres and veld in a belt
I ran the numbers on EvEgeek ore calculator. At trit selling for 2.59 and pyerite for 4.59 you'd have to mine at 2166 m^3 a minute (that means your doing 244 more m^3 a minute than whats statistically possible with a hulk with 5 harvester drones and all level 5). And this means your hauling everything as you mine it with a second character. You havent run the numbers correctly, you have no idea how much money your making.
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Battleship ratting. I'll just stay with the obvious answer here. Can I kill a battleship? I'd give it 50/50. Can I kill 2 battleships? No. How many people can?
My alt with 4.1 million sp is raven battleship ratting at 295 dps and can tank/kill 3 battelships without ever falling under 90% shields.
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I'd wager that 78% of the playerbase just doesn't feel that potential is the point of Eve.
No. You are a perfect example of what i've now learned of most empire players and why its futile to call upon empire players to join 0.0. You have not done any analysis of what your doing and would bring that attitude to 0.0. Games without thought are not fun. The point of a game is to be challenged. Your to be stimulated. If you want to relax move near a beach, or go hiking, or do something that stimulates the aspects of ones life that are associated with relaxing. If EvE really has maxed the potential of your relaxing capability then fine, but I highly doubt I can equate computer gaming to the peace that I've felt after 5 days of hiking that used to be a significant part of my life. Gotta get on that, but hey, i'll be lazy.
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Cipher7
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Posted - 2008.03.02 00:36:00 -
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It's a sandbox dude it's not supposed to excite you or relax you.
It's suppose to be a box full of sand, where you can relax or work hard, however you choose.
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Sarakiel
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Posted - 2008.03.02 00:43:00 -
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Edited by: Sarakiel on 02/03/2008 00:44:36
Originally by: Cipher7
It's a sandbox dude it's not supposed to excite you or relax you.
It's suppose to be a box full of sand, where you can relax or work hard, however you choose.
And thats fine, if EvE has maxed your relaxation potential and thats what you play it for then thats cool. But dont try to defend your decision and reveal willful ignorance. Get the facts and make the decision or stay quiet and be happy with yourself.
The fact is there are objective standards to everything. Games can only provide so much because theres only so many ways human beings can experience life. Lets say theres 4 major categories of our experience potential. Physical, Emotional, Intellectual, Spiritual. We can experience everything in these 4 lights. Some provide more, some less. -Games can really hit upon the emotional and intellectual experiences of life. -Physically I suppose its possible, but hard to imagine (examples would be appreciated :P). -Spiritually, well there is the fact that spiritual experiences can arise through human interaction and these games do have somewhat of a social nature to them, but again I think its safe to say were experiencing these games on a intellectual and emotional level.
So hey, if what your doing in EvE has maximised the potential of those experiences for you then thats cool, but dont defend the position revealing ignorance, get out and get the facts/experience then make the decision.
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Quelque Chose
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.03.02 00:51:00 -
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Originally by: Sarakiel The fact is there are objective standards to everything.
You are objectively speaking the craziest mother****** I've seen on this board today, and as a result you score a 6.39 (adjusted) on the Kovacs- Dangerfield Sliding Scale of Teh Funnay. ______________________________
"Eve Online is a massively multiplayer game about trolling in outer space." |
Burnharder
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Posted - 2008.03.02 00:55:00 -
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Originally by: Sarakiel
No. You are a perfect example of what i've now learned of most empire players and why its futile to call upon empire players to join 0.0. You have not done any analysis of what your doing and would bring that attitude to 0.0. Games without thought are not fun. The point of a game is to be challenged. Your to be stimulated. If you want to relax move near a beach, or go hiking, or do something that stimulates the aspects of ones life that are associated with relaxing.
That's a value judgement. You consider that to be the point of the game. I and many others don't. We do all those things and more, as well as play Eve.
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The thing is everyone does what they want to do when they're ready to do it. The point of my posts were to bash you guys for being willfully ignorant. You [deny yourselves an understanding of 0.0 and try to defend this as a good thing.
Again, a lot of us have experienced 0.0. We are talking from experience and it isn't for us. You can argue mining mechanics until you are blue in the face, but it can't alter the fact that from undock to dock, you are watching your back. That means no AFK time (without an SS and perhaps a cloak). And no AFE time either, because you could log-in a month out and find your station and all your stuff under alternative ownership (so to speak). It's simply a higher cognitive burden. There are many games around with an HCB that are much more fun to play than Eve, but playing Eve in CAA mode (casually arsing about) is actually rather pleasant - and that can better be done in empire.
As I've said before, I prefer to dip in and out of 0.0. I would only go back there again if I were willing to invest significantly more time into playing than I do at present - and to be honest, if it were more stable (ie. much harder to take space), it would be more appealling as a place to hang out.
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Neddy Fox
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Posted - 2008.03.02 01:03:00 -
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To OP :
Because we want to build ships, so you can have fun. We're having fun building ships, and running an industrial corp (the oldest in game) in the best way we can.
Compare to RL : I work in a safe place, and like it. I don't need a risky job, even if it pays me more. I'm happy the way it is. You have your fun, we have ours.
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Sarakiel
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Posted - 2008.03.02 01:45:00 -
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Edited by: Sarakiel on 02/03/2008 01:50:31
Originally by: Quelque Chose
You are objectively speaking the craziest mother****** I've seen on this board today, and as a result you score a 6.39 (adjusted) on the Kovacs- Dangerfield Sliding Scale of Teh Funnay.
I ROFL'd thank you for that, was a good laugh.
Either way yea. What I really believe is were living life to experience whatever we feel is right at the time and if you want to experience EvE in the way you do thats cool. The only thing I dont like is when one tries to tell another hes wrong when one doesnt have the facts. Thats what most of these posts reveal. Some are from sensible people who have crunched the numbers and lived 0.0 to see whats feasible. Most are from people who think they know what their talking about and have a hugely misproportional understanding of the 'dangers' of 0.0 space. The fact is you got pos's in every system. Unless theres a cap fleet coming your invinicible in your space, nuff said on that.
Many though have posted and said I dont care what 0.0 has to offer and I'm happy with what I have and fine thats cool too, but trying to play off 0.0 as something its not is just stupid. Stupidity is judgement of others in light of willful ignorance. I'm sure i've been guilty of this in this thread, but I think sifted through and taken in the rational reasoned arguments you guys had to say and have readjusted my beliefs appropriately
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Quelque Chose
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.03.02 01:59:00 -
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Edited by: Quelque Chose on 02/03/2008 02:01:00
Originally by: Sarakiel
I ROFL'd thank you for that, was a good laugh.
Either way yea. What I really believe is were living life to experience and if you want to experience EvE in the way you do fine. The only thing I dont like is trying to tell another hes wrong when you dont have the facts. Thats what most of these posts reveal. Some are from sensible people who have crunched the numbers and lived 0.0 to see whats feasible.
Most are from people who think they know what their talking about and have a hugely misproportional understanding of the 'dangers' of 0.0 space. The fact is you got pos's in every system. Unless theres a cap fleet coming your invinicible in your space, nuff said on that.
Many though have posted and said I dont care what 0.0 has to offer and I'm happy with what I have and fine thats cool too, but trying to play off 0.0 as something its not is just stupid. Stupidity is judgement of others in light of willful ignorance. I'm sure i've been guilty of this in this thread, but I think i've taken in the rational reasoned arguments you guys had to say and have readjusted my beliefs appropriately
Having crunched the numbers on your post I've found that it scores within the "fair enough" range.
I should point out that one thing you've left out of your calcs is that some of us have done the clan/ guild/ squad thing before and have some possibly accurate ideas of what to expect out of a "teamwork mandatory" situation regardless of the specific nuts and bolts. For my part I wouldn't even consider heading out there unless I was satisfied I was dealing with solid people and that I was solid in turn because experience tells me that's the bottom line.
And honestly, the same thing you accuse some carebears of applies equally well to the low/ null- sec PvP Or Nothin! crowd as well. I've watched this argument rage for days now and seen a few Great Big Alliance(tm) guys post "facts" about high- sec living that were startlingly erroneous; whether that was misinformation or disinformation I couldn't say since a casual glance at CAOD tells anyone who wants to know that they'll sell you a bill of goods any chance they can get. It's an occasionally humorous fact of life that it's pretty easy to hate what you don't understand and watching that play out here is a good source of giggles for me.
But if your point is simply "don't knock it til you've tried it" then I don't guess I can really argue with that... with the proviso of course that taste in entertainment is most certainly a subjective thing. ______________________________
"Eve Online is a massively multiplayer game about trolling in outer space." |
Vymorna Grom
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.03.02 02:05:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher7 Edited by: Cipher7 on 01/03/2008 21:21:23 I would actually like to hang out in Providence except I would be forced to fight my Matari brothers in Ushra'Khan.
Either that or CVA would prolly shoot me for my corp history.
Back when UK owned 9uy, I hung out there as a neutral it was cool.
Truth is UK was the only alliance I ever gave a crap about and they don't want me, so I have nowhere to live at the moment except hisec.
I lived out of ISS Fabrica for a while, back when ISS allowed neutrals to live there, but they're gone now.
If there was a NRDS zone available to me I would prolly live there at least part-time. Heck I would even help out in defense.
Still opportunities for those such as yourself . . . maybe a bit beyond the Great Wildlands . . .
http://www.eve-online.com/background/potw/jul01.asp
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2008.03.02 03:07:00 -
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Most people aren't in 0.0 because they don't like the 0.0 lifestyle. They like to be able to log on, play semi-afk for an hour or two and log off. They don't want to have to deal with station camping and gate camping. They don't want to have to have a scout every time they make a jump. They don't want to have to watch scanner like a hawk and warp to safespot and cloak everytime someone enters local. It's just not what they're looking for in the game.
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Jack Freely
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.03.02 03:42:00 -
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Originally by: Sarakiel Make friends and run 3 accounts. I use a friends account, and my two accounts to run my solo mining.
This is great, thanks for the laughs
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Jack Freely
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.03.02 03:44:00 -
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Originally by: Tanshi Daiko What we are seeing is an Ultima Online situation, where evil wins because good requires more thought and effort.
I was that evil force
And now I'm here with you all
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Jmanis Catharg
Caldari Stickler inc
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Posted - 2008.03.02 03:52:00 -
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If there was a NRDS zone available to me I would prolly live there at least part-time.
I lived in one of those for about a week, I left when I was accused of being a pirate by one individual, which caused the 20 odd in local to hunt me down "As per policy" despite my claims of innocence in local *AND* my 5.07 sec status
But yeah, I think the *need* for NBSI is what makes 0.0 so uninviting. Empire is the only place where people can do stuff and remain neutral.
Just look at my topic a little while back in the forums about running a neutral 0.0 outpost. Logistically, I can do it solo, no worries. But all 0.0 is claimed by *some* player alliance, regardless of whether it's used or not. Main points to note (and justified given 0.0's environment) are:
1. An alliance refuses to give taxes to another entity. 2. An alliance refuses to have a staging ground for enemies. 3. Much in the same vein as ISS, if that neutrality (and refusal to allow enemies to dock) is maintained, the enemy takes over and now has a staging ground.
The simple (and sad) fact is that running an Outpost is a form of end-game for some Industrialists. The only way to do that is to open it up in 0.0,, fair enough. The only way to do that is to essentially give it to that 0.0 alliance and maintain control through them.
Then the other points raised come into effect. An industrialist wants to profit off his production. A 0.0 alliance would demand products at cost, or if they weren't at cost, the profits would go to them.
Pah, I'm rambling and opening a pandoras box of counterable points. But the main fact remains is that there's no way for alliances to realistically have an NRLI stance in 0.0, which is all a Industrialist would need to live in 0.0.
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cal nereus
Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.03.02 04:01:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Kolwrath
Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Originally by: Kolwrath Stuff
Were you joing RA or something?
Yeah ... big fun.
Try, uh... well, just about anyone else.
Yup, Kolwrath, it looks like you had the bad luck of running into the wrong alliance.
A lot of alliances function quite differently, and new techniques and strategies are being experimented with too. If you keep trying, you might find the alliance that works for you. It certainly took me more than one try... ---
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2008.03.02 04:02:00 -
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It's probably been good for nothing else, but in this thread: a new Testicular Testes post has been sighted! * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
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Neue Ziel
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Posted - 2008.03.02 04:12:00 -
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Simple answer: I don't want the hastle.
I've been out in 0.0 space; and while the spawn money is great having to watch your back 24/7 is not. I don't have anything against PVP it's just it doesnt' really intrest me at the moment. PVP is a misnomer anyway; much of what happens out there is more analgous to a drive-by-shooting.
So I can go out there; have to use cheap disposable ships, worry about getting attacked, deal with alliance politics and so forth. Or I can stay in Empire, mind my business, and not have to worry about too much in the 1-2 hours I can afford to devote to EVE every day.
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Jack Freely
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Posted - 2008.03.02 06:33:00 -
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Edited by: Jack Freely on 02/03/2008 06:35:12
Originally by: Rob Buie
Originally by: Sarakiel Make friends and run 3 accounts. I use a friends account, and my two accounts to run my solo mining.
A majority of 0.0 players have more than one account. Most 0.0 alliances member count is way above the actual player count within the alliance.
You missed the point, he is breaking the EULA and can be banned for it.
Second, I understand about the accounts, I have 3 myself
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