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Wrok
Caldari THE FINAL STAND
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Posted - 2008.03.01 20:03:00 -
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Post WITH YOUR MAIN!
JOin the OUtlawz |
Fizzarus Rakalk
Flame On
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Posted - 2008.03.01 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: Orangir What's the rate for pep talks?
[exRISEaltpost] He's gonna teach every other alliance FC on the best way to pull back into Delve, and that they will lose space. [/exRISEaltpost]
I fully endorse this product or service.
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Drutt Warsong
The Circle STYX.
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Posted - 2008.03.02 03:23:00 -
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he is a damn fine FC
one of the best in my opinion
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Reem Fairchild
Minmatar Military Industrial Research
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Posted - 2008.03.02 04:24:00 -
[34]
What I want to know, is why did Yaay leave BoB?
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Hesh Ballantine
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.02 04:39:00 -
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Originally by: Yaay Or did someone forget that I took 1 ship against 8 that day to protect an ally that was getting attacked and lasted 7.5 minutes while a fleet of 20 friendlies sat 3 jumps away scared that outbreak would bring more if they came.
when I was a kid we had to walk 20 miles uphill both ways in the driving snow with burlap sacks on our feet
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sophisticatedlimabean
Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2008.03.02 09:29:00 -
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Originally by: Yaay Or did someone forget that I took 1 ship against 8 that day to protect an ally that was getting attacked and lasted 7.5 minutes while a fleet of 20 friendlies sat 3 jumps away scared that outbreak would bring more if they came.
Jumping 1 ship into a gang of 8 seems like a poor example of combat expertise for somebody who considers themselves worth being paid billions for tactical advise.
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Proxay
Gallente Fallen Angel's Blade.
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Posted - 2008.03.02 09:31:00 -
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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
Originally by: Yaay Or did someone forget that I took 1 ship against 8 that day to protect an ally that was getting attacked and lasted 7.5 minutes while a fleet of 20 friendlies sat 3 jumps away scared that outbreak would bring more if they came.
Jumping 1 ship into a gang of 8 seems like a poor example of combat expertise for somebody who considers themselves worth being paid billions for tactical advise.
Using that ship as a distraction for a larger goal on the other hand is a commonly used tactical maneuver throughout time. Show one hand, use the other.
If you're going to remove a signature, at least make sure it's got something that breaks the EULA, k-ta. |
sophisticatedlimabean
Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2008.03.02 09:42:00 -
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Originally by: Proxay
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
Originally by: Yaay Or did someone forget that I took 1 ship against 8 that day to protect an ally that was getting attacked and lasted 7.5 minutes while a fleet of 20 friendlies sat 3 jumps away scared that outbreak would bring more if they came.
Jumping 1 ship into a gang of 8 seems like a poor example of combat expertise for somebody who considers themselves worth being paid billions for tactical advise.
Using that ship as a distraction for a larger goal on the other hand is a commonly used tactical maneuver throughout time. Show one hand, use the other.
1/ Was it successful?, and if its so commonly used its hardly summat that needs teaching
2/ A good leader should know their troops and inspire them enough to have them follow you into battle.
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Secret ShopperCEO
Short Bus Surprize Shoppers
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Posted - 2008.03.02 16:24:00 -
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take this thread and the person that started it out back and shoot it dead plz,kthx
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Yaay
Dum Spiro Spero
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Posted - 2008.03.02 21:07:00 -
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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
Originally by: Proxay
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
Originally by: Yaay Or did someone forget that I took 1 ship against 8 that day to protect an ally that was getting attacked and lasted 7.5 minutes while a fleet of 20 friendlies sat 3 jumps away scared that outbreak would bring more if they came.
Jumping 1 ship into a gang of 8 seems like a poor example of combat expertise for somebody who considers themselves worth being paid billions for tactical advise.
Using that ship as a distraction for a larger goal on the other hand is a commonly used tactical maneuver throughout time. Show one hand, use the other.
1/ Was it successful?, and if its so commonly used its hardly summat that needs teaching
2/ A good leader should know their troops and inspire them enough to have them follow you into battle.
You can't take 1 example of combat as a rule for what makes someone good or bad. If we did that, Cleist would have been fired day one, but damn he turned out well.
Truth is, I want to test the market to see if this service is needed, gotten lots of good feedback privately, but no contract yet. If you've flow with me, you know what I can do. If you've flow against me, you've seen what I can do.
If you need references, I'm sure I can draw up a few meaningful names . If you want a resume, damn it's gonna be tough fitting it all into one page. Personally, I'm not stressed if this adventure doesn't work, I've got other avenues to follow. I just thought It'd be something new and cool the game really hasn't seen commercialized yet.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=619019IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID |
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PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik
Gallente MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2008.03.03 13:11:00 -
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Originally by: Yaay Personally, I'm not stressed if this adventure doesn't work, I've got other avenues to follow. I just thought It'd be something new and cool the game really hasn't seen commercialized yet.
Im gunna go out on a limb here and say that your credibility was severely dampened by the release of that "pep talk tape". I havn't seen you actually perform so I wont comment on that however.
I also think that struggling alliances are going to be very hesitant to drop 10bil in your wallet for your time- your estimates are way way off. For 10bil you would be better off hiring a host of mercenary forces for a month and let their FC's deal with it. Personal contracts would probably be out of the question for alot of people as well, apart from industrialists who have no real desire for pvp anyway.
Perhaps lowering your expectations and prices might help business a bit. GL anyway and please let the good people of CAOD know if you pick anything up. Id be interested to see if there was a market there for "FC mercs for hire". Does anyone do this?
Peace WithinSo if the theory of relativity is true, shouldn't i arrive at my destination before i warped in the first place? Neon GhostYou do, but this is compensated for by lag |
Snapp
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.03.03 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: Yaay
You can't take 1 example of combat as a rule for what makes someone good or bad.
after I stopped laughing, I just gotta point out it was not just one time, it was everytime you got in a ship in MM that you'd tear off and die horrificaly to prove a point at how UBER and AWESOME you were. boy it really showed me what a capable pvp'r you was running off 3 jumps to die, for what again? oh yeah E-HONOR! always screeching over the FC's and SC's, always interjecting your opinions and trying to run the gangs your way. how'd that work out for you again? I so came to party!
Founding member of the "Gonna Gank a CareBear Alliance"
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Dog Solitude
Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.03.03 20:37:00 -
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Anyone who doesn't think Yaay is a competent FC, has not flown under him or against him.
Good luck man.
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Yaay
Dum Spiro Spero
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Posted - 2008.03.03 23:55:00 -
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Edited by: Yaay on 03/03/2008 23:56:33
Originally by: Snapp
Originally by: Yaay
You can't take 1 example of combat as a rule for what makes someone good or bad.
after I stopped laughing, I just gotta point out it was not just one time, it was everytime you got in a ship in MM that you'd tear off and die horrificaly to prove a point at how UBER and AWESOME you were. boy it really showed me what a capable pvp'r you was running off 3 jumps to die, for what again? oh yeah E-HONOR! always screeching over the FC's and SC's, always interjecting your opinions and trying to run the gangs your way. how'd that work out for you again?
Dogsta,
#1 you ran off to do your own thing with your boys in another corp because you couldn't be bothered to train up pvpers in MM.
#2 you were virtually non existent in the north during the entire TCF war, but got ****y b/c D2 invited me to some chats since i was um, present during fights.
#3 you doubted your own peoples potential and just assumed you were the solution to MM. You even agreed that I had a good organization post for the military but removed it b/c it wasn't posted under your own name.
If I remember correctly, I was asking for 9 months for help from you guys and you did nothing. after 9 months of dealing with that, you're damn right I'd tell you where to stick it when you come back into the fold acting like king ****.
There's a reason a lot of the guys up north are refered to as monkeys, you act like it. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=619019IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID |
Yaay
Dum Spiro Spero
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Posted - 2008.03.04 05:21:00 -
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Edited by: Yaay on 04/03/2008 05:22:33 An interesting thing has come up and I want Public opinion on this.
Several people have contacted me asking what a price would be to teach an individual. This certainly wasn't what I was intending with this venture, but it brings up an interesting avenue. I think a lot of individuals who'd be interested in training would be looking for training on how to lead smaller groups rather than large fleets and warfare.
Honestly, I'm not too keen on the Idea atm, but I'm willing to see what can be done. If I figure out a training guide geared towards this, I think the best release of Information would be via Seminar Series.
Each Seminar would house a different topic.
Estimated price would probably be 1 Billion to attend per person (lets face it, some ass hat is gonna record it anyways so the price is gonna be high)
I think each session would be spread for an hr each over 2 days to cover a topic. Part of it would be education, part Q&A, and part simulation.
I'll be very up front and open about this, I myself am not sold on my ability to execute this. I will not even consider this avenue unless I can work up a way to do it properly. But before I put the effort into it, I want feedback.
Thoughs, comments, goon spam, and haters all welcome
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=619019IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID |
Dog Nob
DRAGONSLAYERS
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Posted - 2008.03.04 09:00:00 -
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Freaking Hilarious :)
Gl Yaay
Fight with Honnor, Die with Pride. |
Hungo
Minmatar Nightfallz
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Posted - 2008.03.04 09:06:00 -
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Originally by: Yaay Random crap
if anyone wants real training on FCing let me know, dont pay this idiot, god u dont need to actually do it to know how to do it well, the theroy works very well when oput into action
God talk about finding an excuse to rip people off, 3 billion a weekl? u damn stupid?
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Waterfowl Democracy
The Ministry of Indigenous Affairs GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 11:02:00 -
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You guys aren't being fair to this guy. I know that when I find out he's in charge of a fleet MY morale skyrockets.
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Cruel SOAB
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.04 11:06:00 -
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The idea is pretty good imo. But the price is way too high. Alliances that can spend that kind of money have their own FCs that can teach the others and alliances in need of this training don't have 3bil per week to spend.
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SPQRMocton
Minmatar Calmarr Technologies
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Posted - 2008.03.04 12:46:00 -
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Edited by: SPQRMocton on 04/03/2008 12:50:46 yay for yaay, way better than some fc's I have dealt with , who shall remain unnamed ,and who out there can't use some good advice ,you know the old saying education is never free, and there are some alliances that don't care to teach the grunts anything ,just throw a loudmouth fc in there and who cares if their assets get blown up , the corp, fc didn't pay for it !
I think he also made it clear that he was trying to work out a plan, not just take your isk and bluff it,
Fly reckless and take chances..............it's more fun |
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Yaay
Dum Spiro Spero
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Posted - 2008.03.04 18:32:00 -
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Edited by: Yaay on 04/03/2008 18:36:47
Originally by: Cruel SOAB The idea is pretty good imo. But the price is way too high. Alliances that can spend that kind of money have their own FCs that can teach the others and alliances in need of this training don't have 3bil per week to spend.
One 100 man fleet is typically around 5 billion in assets after t2 expense and logistics concerns.
If you think about the cost v benefit of more survivable fleets, I think it's a very fair price. Also consider this. 100 active alliance members pool to get thier FCs trained better would equate to 3.3 million isk per day investment over a month span. How many ships do you lose in a week with your fleets.
From my experience fighting both with and against alliances, I've only seen 4 alliances and about 4 additional corps who would not benefit from my program substantially.
I may consider offers for a reduced price for my first customer or first week... I'll think about that a bit more.
Plain and simple, My program is less about tips and tricks and more of an indepth education on fleet warfare, tactics, adaptation, responsibilities, maneuvers etc. I'm not teaching you how to survive a fight, I'm teaching you how to dominate it. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=619019IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID |
Ugluuk
Caldari Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.03.04 20:29:00 -
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If you wanna get rich then contact Foundation..
The quality on their FC`s gives you job the rest of this year and maybe the year that follows too..
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Bloodlet Eyes
Shadows of the Dead The Dawn of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.03.04 21:44:00 -
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Edited by: Bloodlet Eyes on 04/03/2008 21:47:03 If there's one thing missing in any of the corps I've been in it's good amount of solid FC's.
I'm not saying SoD is lacking FC's, but it's always nice to have more backup target callers and that sort of thing. I am currently enrolled in our FC program and have yet to loose a battle I've FC'd. I'm sure my time is coming though :P
The best of luck to you.
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Snapp
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.03.04 22:28:00 -
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touched a nerve did I darling? lets see point form is how you like it so, 1)yep, not talking about me though are we.
2)I was there, and nope didnt get upsetted by D2 dealing with you, got miffed at the dozen mails complaining about how much of a knowit all you was, and how you were stepping over all sorts of peoples who had thier place already at the table, so congratz on making enough noise to be heard by people who laughed at you behind your back groovy eh :)
3)again missing the mark there sonny-jim (god i hated it when my granpa said that heh) didnt doubt the potential of some of the corp/alliance, in fact was positive that they were not pvp capable, hell some still are not. se la vie.
3-a) great post, too bad you made such a post without any uhmm?? rank? nah without the authority to make such a thing as a operating docturine for the corp, that woulda been Fluffykins or Zeddikins job. Im only the **** that like brutal honesty, and so Im the one who pulled it.
and welp, cause it's just one of them days, the primary reason no one liked you up here is your that knowit all, whiny, sucky little kid who'd cry and run to mommy if the other kids wouldn't play the exact game the exact same way you wanted them to. your way or the highway, so good on ya. by the way if like D2 and RAZOR were soo enthrawled with your leadership abilities, how come none of them took you in on your leaving MM? hmmm oh yeah cause they thought you were not quite all that, and a bag of chips.
Originally by: Yaay Edited by: Yaay on 03/03/2008 23:56:33
Dogsta,
#1 you ran off to do your own thing with your boys in another corp because you couldn't be bothered to train up pvpers in MM.
#2 you were virtually non existent in the north during the entire TCF war, but got ****y b/c D2 invited me to some chats since i was um, present during fights.
#3 you doubted your own peoples potential and just assumed you were the solution to MM. You even agreed that I had a good organization post for the military but removed it b/c it wasn't posted under your own name.
If I remember correctly, I was asking for 9 months for help from you guys and you did nothing. after 9 months of dealing with that, you're damn right I'd tell you where to stick it when you come back into the fold acting like king ****.
There's a reason a lot of the guys up north are refered to as monkeys, you act like it.
I so came to party!
Founding member of the "Gonna Gank a CareBear Alliance"
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Yaay
Dum Spiro Spero
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Posted - 2008.03.04 23:02:00 -
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Actually, from your own words Dog, Fluf and Zed gave me a title w/o telling you. It was your crew that was emoing about me... not the average Shiva pilot. And in a months time, I'm going to be laughing about this post with rumors I hear. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=619019IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID |
Cybarite
Gallente Aristotle Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.03.05 00:56:00 -
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pointless flaming aside, I think you may be charging a little high for your services, any alliance large and profitable enough isn't likely to need help in the FC department, in my experience FC's are easier to train than a large number of PvPer's to support them, and if you have the PvPer's already a few of them are probably already FC's in the making, they just need to get out and lead a few ops to get the experience.
Good luck in your endevor though, innovative Ideas and services are always good to see. ... Why do I PvP? Because I love the feeling I get when I see the pretty lights and know that someone somewhere is screaming incoherently at their computer screen. |
Acidictadpole
Spartan Industries Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.05 01:44:00 -
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Originally by: Yaay
DUM SPERO SPIRO
You got it backwards?
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Stuart Price
Caldari Havoc Inc Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.03.05 02:23:00 -
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Havoc Inc. FC Training for FREE!
1. Abuse corpmates on vent. 2. Shout "T1 GANK CRUISERS IN HALF AN HOUR GO", knowing full well everyone will bring Drake's. 3. Invite everyone in corp an hour later once we've finished out dinner and Kal's done his homework. 4. Make sure everyone has a packed lunch, spare ciggies, a change of underpants and some booze. 5. Make sure everyone has an exotic dancer and some units of spirits in the cargo hold <- This is vital. 6. Assign the drunkest person to be rear scout, try to position them on a highsec gate where possible. 7. Pause for five minutes so Kal can go to bed (long day at school tomorrow, sorry guys). 8. Warp to random gates, get bored with lack of targets, make Rob FC instead. 9. If targets are spotted, immediately rabble on vent so any spies will be confused and miss the target calls. 10. Attempt to locate the absolute biggest alliance blob you can find in lowsec and engage it immediately. 11. Kill a Kestrel and lose the entire gang. 12. Claim moral victory and order more drinking. 13. Pass out drunk, leaving your surviving ships afk at a gate. 14. Repeat. 15. Marvel that our killboard stats don't suck completely, plan high-sec miner ganking op for next week.
I don't know about you guys, but this is a hell of a lot more of a fun way to do stuff. "I got soul but I'm not a soldier" |
The Mittani
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.05 04:53:00 -
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oh man i go away from caod for a couple of weeks and i come back to a goldmine like this thread
'guys look, we know you can't win, they know you can't win, everyone knows you can't win'
man that was some delicious propaganda right there
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Cruel SOAB
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.05 08:45:00 -
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Originally by: Yaay Edited by: Yaay on 04/03/2008 18:36:47
Originally by: Cruel SOAB The idea is pretty good imo. But the price is way too high. Alliances that can spend that kind of money have their own FCs that can teach the others and alliances in need of this training don't have 3bil per week to spend.
One 100 man fleet is typically around 5 billion in assets after t2 expense and logistics concerns.
If you think about the cost v benefit of more survivable fleets, I think it's a very fair price. Also consider this. 100 active alliance members pool to get thier FCs trained better would equate to 3.3 million isk per day investment over a month span. How many ships do you lose in a week with your fleets.
From my experience fighting both with and against alliances, I've only seen 4 alliances and about 4 additional corps who would not benefit from my program substantially.
I may consider offers for a reduced price for my first customer or first week... I'll think about that a bit more.
Plain and simple, My program is less about tips and tricks and more of an indepth education on fleet warfare, tactics, adaptation, responsibilities, maneuvers etc. I'm not teaching you how to survive a fight, I'm teaching you how to dominate it.
A 100 men fleet is only fielded by an alliance that know how to organize a fleet. They have most like 1-5 FCs ready and if they don't I wouldn't want to be in that fleet anyway. And all alliances are arrogant enough to say that they don't need their FCs trained. If they hire you it's like saying "we suck, make us better". Besides that, no one is keen on making a single player 5 bil per week richer for such a little effort (relatively of course as I am sure you have worked out quite some material). And who is to guarantee that after your training FCs will indeed be better and their fleets start winning instead of losing? It's a risky investment.
My points are backed up by the fact that you don't have a contract yet.
No pun intended. I don't know you personally and by the comments of your friends you seem like a capable FC. I just think that small alliances should be your target audience and the one thing stopping them from hiring you is the incredible high price.
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