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Jonny MoJo
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.03.02 01:13:00 -
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Edited by: Jonny MoJo on 02/03/2008 01:13:37
Originally by: Donny HoBo Thats really useful when it can only lock to 22km, nice work cousin!
And the Crusader is not that much different either when it comes to locking range.
Cousin, the toilet is blocked with all the ***** your minmarat friend's are bringing. I just tested a Medium Beam laser Cruisader and it also has locking range issues. Learn to have friends and then you wil find out how to lock further.
It also did 0dps as it said I did not have enough grid to online the modules. So if I compare like for like, it does not work. Fancy that.
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Donny HoBo
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.03.02 01:17:00 -
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Originally by: Jonny MoJo
Originally by: Donny HoBo Thats really useful when it can only lock to 22km, nice work cousin!
And the Crusader is not that much different either when it comes to locking range.
Cousin, the toilet is blocked with all the ***** your minmarat friend's are bringing. I just tested a Medium Beam laser Cruisader. Learn to have friends and then you wil find out how to lock further.
It did 0dps as it said I did not have enough grid to online the modules. So if I compare like for like, it does not work. Fancy that.
You actually managed to log in? Doubtful. You dont need medium beams because dual light beams are superior to all other races small guns. Medium beams are ridiculously over powered, hence the higher fitting requirements. Notice they are only slightly higher than 280mm arties but are much, much better. I propose their fitting requirements be increased to sixteen power grid per gun to balance them.
As usual you will see my solution is flawless, thank you for your time.
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Jonny MoJo
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.03.02 01:22:00 -
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Edited by: Jonny MoJo on 02/03/2008 01:23:03
Originally by: Donny HoBo
Originally by: Jonny MoJo
Originally by: Donny HoBo Thats really useful when it can only lock to 22km, nice work cousin!
And the Crusader is not that much different either when it comes to locking range.
Cousin, the toilet is blocked with all the ***** your minmarat friend's are bringing. I just tested a Medium Beam laser Cruisader. Learn to have friends and then you wil find out how to lock further.
It did 0dps as it said I did not have enough grid to online the modules. So if I compare like for like, it does not work. Fancy that.
You actually managed to log in? Doubtful. You dont need medium beams because dual light beams are superior to all other races small guns. Medium beams are ridiculously over powered, hence the higher fitting requirements. Notice they are only slightly higher than 280mm arties but are much, much better. I propose their fitting requirements be increased to sixteen power grid per gun to balance them.
As usual you will see my solution is flawless, thank you for your time.
Cousin, yet again you proove youself an idiot.
Crusader + 4 x Dual light beam does less damage than Claw with All 280 II + Arbalest Standard Launcher.
I just put t2 scrambler range ammo in both and Claw does more damage.
Therefore cousin, I see the inbreeding showing out in your conversations.
Now your topic is over, now Cousin, since you think you have smarts, please go and tell us how to fit a Crusader with Medium Beam Laser II's, a MWD and a scrambler?
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Donny HoBo
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.03.02 01:27:00 -
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Originally by: Jonny MoJo Edited by: Jonny MoJo on 02/03/2008 01:23:03
Originally by: Donny HoBo
Originally by: Jonny MoJo
Originally by: Donny HoBo Thats really useful when it can only lock to 22km, nice work cousin!
And the Crusader is not that much different either when it comes to locking range.
Cousin, the toilet is blocked with all the ***** your minmarat friend's are bringing. I just tested a Medium Beam laser Cruisader. Learn to have friends and then you wil find out how to lock further.
It did 0dps as it said I did not have enough grid to online the modules. So if I compare like for like, it does not work. Fancy that.
You actually managed to log in? Doubtful. You dont need medium beams because dual light beams are superior to all other races small guns. Medium beams are ridiculously over powered, hence the higher fitting requirements. Notice they are only slightly higher than 280mm arties but are much, much better. I propose their fitting requirements be increased to sixteen power grid per gun to balance them.
As usual you will see my solution is flawless, thank you for your time.
Cousin, yet again you proove youself an idiot.
Crusader + 4 x Dual light beam does less damage than Claw with All 280 II + Arbalest Standard Launcher.
I just put t2 scrambler range ammo in both and Claw does more damage.
Therefore cousin, I see the inbreeding showing out in your conversations.
Now your topic is over, now Cousin, since you think you have smarts, please go and tell us how to fit a Crusader with Medium Beam Laser II's, a MWD and a scrambler?
Oh dear, yet again you fail. The only way a claw can out damage a Crusader is if you forget to switch the Crusaders guns on. You DO NOT NEED medium beams. Any half competent pilot will out damage the Claw EASILY with dual light beams.
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Reem Fairchild
Minmatar Military Industrial Research
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Posted - 2008.03.02 06:05:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 01/03/2008 12:38:42 Other races can fit highest tier guns on their frigs/inties. Atleast have a decent chance of fitting it. There is no way in hell you can fit medium beams on a crusader.
How would you feel if your race only had ONE assault frigate that was ONLY ship that could viably fit the highest tier of small guns? Youd be here whining about it too.
You can't fit 150mm railguns on a Taranis or 280mm artillery on a Claw without fitting mods.
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Forumz Poastr
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.03.02 06:15:00 -
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Originally by: Jonny MoJo Hello,
I am looking to fit a Amarr frig with beam lasers. However, everything seems to be impossible to fit with a scram and Mwd.
How would you fit out a Amarr frig with beams? And is it possible to fit them with non-lowest tier frig beams?
What are lasers? --
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Home 0f Bored Occultists
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Posted - 2008.03.02 08:53:00 -
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Originally by: Reem Fairchild
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 01/03/2008 12:38:42 Other races can fit highest tier guns on their frigs/inties. Atleast have a decent chance of fitting it. There is no way in hell you can fit medium beams on a crusader.
How would you feel if your race only had ONE assault frigate that was ONLY ship that could viably fit the highest tier of small guns? Youd be here whining about it too.
You can't fit 150mm railguns on a Taranis or 280mm artillery on a Claw without fitting mods.
Do you know how many fitting mods you need to fit medium beams on a crusader? Its not even possible. Claw can just stick 1 fitting mod in low and actually fit 280mm. Same goes to taranis, with 1 fitting mod it can perfectly fit neutron IIs. -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare |
Inertial
The Python Cartel
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Posted - 2008.03.02 09:33:00 -
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I can't fit Neutrons to my Incursus without sacrificing tank/speed/tackling gear either... ZOOMG boost Gallente!
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Home 0f Bored Occultists
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Posted - 2008.03.02 09:46:00 -
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Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 02/03/2008 09:46:45
Originally by: Inertial I can't fit Neutrons to my Incursus without sacrificing tank/speed/tackling gear either... ZOOMG boost Gallente!
taranis can fit neutron IIs with 1 fitting mod. Crusader cant fit medium beams with 1 fitting mod. Zomg, you fail. -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare |
arbalesttom
Caldari Glauxian Brothers
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Posted - 2008.03.02 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 02/03/2008 09:46:45
Originally by: Inertial I can't fit Neutrons to my Incursus without sacrificing tank/speed/tackling gear either... ZOOMG boost Gallente!
taranis can fit neutron IIs with 1 fitting mod. Crusader cant fit medium beams with 1 fitting mod. Zomg, you fail.
I really start to get the feeling Jonny MoJo is your alt Lyria, probably because the crap your poasting..
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Donny HoBo
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.03.02 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 02/03/2008 09:46:45
Originally by: Inertial I can't fit Neutrons to my Incursus without sacrificing tank/speed/tackling gear either... ZOOMG boost Gallente!
taranis can fit neutron IIs with 1 fitting mod. Crusader cant fit medium beams with 1 fitting mod. Zomg, you fail.
It doesnt need medium beams because DUAL LIGHT BEAMS are BETTER than 280mm arties or 150mm rails. After the resistance changes they will be even more over powered. Please get a clue before posting your idiotic ranmblings.
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MenanceWhite
Amarr Fruit Fellatio
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Posted - 2008.03.02 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: Donny HoBo DUAL LIGHT BEAMS are BETTER
Hey, because dual light pulse with scorch outperforms it on everything.
Medium beam lasers fittings are fine compared to other 150mm rails or 280mm arties. ---
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Home 0f Bored Occultists
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Posted - 2008.03.02 15:22:00 -
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Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 02/03/2008 15:22:11
Originally by: Donny HoBo
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 02/03/2008 09:46:45
Originally by: Inertial I can't fit Neutrons to my Incursus without sacrificing tank/speed/tackling gear either... ZOOMG boost Gallente!
taranis can fit neutron IIs with 1 fitting mod. Crusader cant fit medium beams with 1 fitting mod. Zomg, you fail.
It doesnt need medium beams because DUAL LIGHT BEAMS are BETTER than 280mm arties or 150mm rails. After the resistance changes they will be even more over powered. Please get a clue before posting your idiotic ranmblings.
Uhm I was talkign about medium pulse, its a typo ofc. Why can a taranis fit a full rack of neutron IIs and mwdII and everything with ONE fitting mod when crusader doesnt have a "more damage" option. Why cant crusader fit medium pulses? Do you friggin know what stupid amounts of damage neutron IIs do on a taranis? You can kill cruisers with that and frigs pop before they can even react. Crusader deserves a high dmg option too, its not like medium pulse is doing as much damage as neutron IIs anyway on a crusader. -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare |
Deadeye Devie
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Posted - 2008.03.02 15:33:00 -
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has anyone actual;ly pointed out to the OP that using the claw as a base example of how some races can fit top end small turrets on with minimal fus is a very bad usage of an example?
to demonstrate, using figures my character has as a basius, thus more down to earth and realistic than any EFT setup...
1. claw has a lock range of 20km 2. top tier arties have optimal of 23km 3.even with range boosters or other players boosting my range with sensor links i cant get to far over the 23km lock range. 4. i have only 2 mids on a claw so i dont wanna have to waste space with electronic nonsense. 5. claw is best used as a fast anti-inti ship with ACs as it doesnt have the setout for tackling unless your skilled. 6. no race can fit a full rack of biggest top end small turrests with long ranged damage without sacrificing tank or some other factor (hence tank OR gank) 7. better weapons are *****ble if you have spent a decent ammount of time concentrating on the skills you need to lower the pg and cpu usage of the mods you will use on your ship. just because you have 1 skill to say you can fit it, doesnt mean you CAN fit it, there are MANY more factors at work.
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Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.02 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: welsh wizard Edited by: welsh wizard on 01/03/2008 17:19:17
Originally by: Goumindong Welsh, have you finally gone off the deep end?
I'm utterly lost for words, so far not a single god damned person has given me a reason that the Crow is better other than it does more damage? Cloaks? Faction disruptors? Wtf are you lot on about? You are aware that interceptors are tacklers and not recon ships right?
Ask ANY of the premier Crow pilots in the game what they're flying these days and why. Unbelievably bias bs from you lot.
So if the DPS is unimportant, then why is the malediction such a good ship? Its a worse tackler than the ares[slower, 1 less effective med], the stiletto[only slightly faster, 2 less effective meds], and about tied with the raptor[slower, 1 less effective med]. That makes it the worst, or second worst tackling interceptor.
Now, then for anti-inty work you have the taranis, crow, claw, and crusader. The only one the crusader is better than is the claw. Because the claw cant fit a web and the crusader has more dps. The crow and taranis are much better anti-inty inties because the web they can fit means they can either close range to kill, or orbit a target outside of its gun range[your guns will be wiffing, even pulse lasers against an orbiting crow].
Heck as an anti-inty ship the malediction[web] is better than the crusader. Its still worse than the crow becuase gank>tank and the crow gets the damage bonus.
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Deadeye Devie
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Posted - 2008.03.02 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
..........Why can a taranis fit a full rack of neutron IIs and mwdII and everything with ONE fitting mod when crusader doesnt have a "more damage" option. Why cant crusader fit medium pulses?.....
for the same reason that a claw cannot use Arties successfully, it is more designed as a small anti inti/anti frig inti, as reflected by its bonuses (reduced sig per lvl of inti = harder to pop when your killing thier tacklers)
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Home 0f Bored Occultists
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Posted - 2008.03.02 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Deadeye Devie has anyone actual;ly pointed out to the OP that using the claw as a base example of how some races can fit top end small turrets on with minimal fus is a very bad usage of an example?
to demonstrate, using figures my character has as a basius, thus more down to earth and realistic than any EFT setup...
1. claw has a lock range of 20km 2. top tier arties have optimal of 23km 3.even with range boosters or other players boosting my range with sensor links i cant get to far over the 23km lock range. 4. i have only 2 mids on a claw so i dont wanna have to waste space with electronic nonsense. 5. claw is best used as a fast anti-inti ship with ACs as it doesnt have the setout for tackling unless your skilled. 6. no race can fit a full rack of biggest top end small turrests with long ranged damage without sacrificing tank or some other factor (hence tank OR gank) 7. better weapons are *****ble if you have spent a decent ammount of time concentrating on the skills you need to lower the pg and cpu usage of the mods you will use on your ship. just because you have 1 skill to say you can fit it, doesnt mean you CAN fit it, there are MANY more factors at work.
How about we fit top tier ACs? Crusader cant fit top tier pulses.
1. the lock range wont matter. 2. operating range of ACs enough considering lockrange 3. dont need more lockrange 4. sader got 2 mids too, same problem. they are equal there 5. same with sader 6. claw can fit top tier guns and rest of fitting with 1 fitting mod, crusader cant 7. why should claw be able to fit top tier guns with 1 fitting mod but crusader cant?
Ill ask again: Why can claw fit top tier Acs viably with only 1 fitting mod but crusader cant fit top tier pulses without filling all its lows with fitting mods, ie alot more then 1 fitting mod?
All your points are invalid if you consider ACs and pulses. -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare |
Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Home 0f Bored Occultists
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Posted - 2008.03.02 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Deadeye Devie
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
..........Why can a taranis fit a full rack of neutron IIs and mwdII and everything with ONE fitting mod when crusader doesnt have a "more damage" option. Why cant crusader fit medium pulses?.....
for the same reason that a claw cannot use Arties successfully, it is more designed as a small anti inti/anti frig inti, as reflected by its bonuses (reduced sig per lvl of inti = harder to pop when your killing thier tacklers)
What about ACs and pulses? Claw can fit full rack of high tier ACs but sader cant fit high tier pulses without several fitting mods = failed fit. -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare |
Donny HoBo
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.03.02 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Deadeye Devie has anyone actual;ly pointed out to the OP that using the claw as a base example of how some races can fit top end small turrets on with minimal fus is a very bad usage of an example?
to demonstrate, using figures my character has as a basius, thus more down to earth and realistic than any EFT setup...
1. claw has a lock range of 20km 2. top tier arties have optimal of 23km 3.even with range boosters or other players boosting my range with sensor links i cant get to far over the 23km lock range. 4. i have only 2 mids on a claw so i dont wanna have to waste space with electronic nonsense. 5. claw is best used as a fast anti-inti ship with ACs as it doesnt have the setout for tackling unless your skilled. 6. no race can fit a full rack of biggest top end small turrests with long ranged damage without sacrificing tank or some other factor (hence tank OR gank) 7. better weapons are *****ble if you have spent a decent ammount of time concentrating on the skills you need to lower the pg and cpu usage of the mods you will use on your ship. just because you have 1 skill to say you can fit it, doesnt mean you CAN fit it, there are MANY more factors at work.
How about we fit top tier ACs? Crusader cant fit top tier pulses.
1. the lock range wont matter. 2. operating range of ACs enough considering lockrange 3. dont need more lockrange 4. sader got 2 mids too, same problem. they are equal there 5. same with sader 6. claw can fit top tier guns and rest of fitting with 1 fitting mod, crusader cant 7. why should claw be able to fit top tier guns with 1 fitting mod but crusader cant?
Ill ask again: Why can claw fit top tier Acs viably with only 1 fitting mod but crusader cant fit top tier pulses without filling all its lows with fitting mods, ie alot more then 1 fitting mod?
All your points are invalid if you consider ACs and pulses.
Fitting of ACs vs pulses is irrelevant because the worst pulses are better than the best ACs.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Home 0f Bored Occultists
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Posted - 2008.03.02 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Donny HoBo
Fitting of ACs vs pulses is irrelevant because the worst pulses are better than the best ACs.
How is that? BTW youre ACs are capless, they should have some drawback. They can also use all damage types. Easy to forget these things when youre minmatard it seems. -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare |
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arbalesttom
Caldari Glauxian Brothers
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Posted - 2008.03.02 15:48:00 -
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Lyria is Jonny MoJo your alt? Because you really make me think that..
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Originally by: Cpt Branko That is a JoJo, a forum troll used by Amarr whiners.
Originally by: Mitnal Locked, one troll after another.
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Deadeye Devie
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Posted - 2008.03.02 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer ..........BTW youre ACs are capless, they should have some drawback. They can also use all damage types. Easy to forget these things when youre minmatard it seems.
Yes, they do have drawbacks....having to listen to boring monotonus, non-reasoned, insulting crap from amarrians about how its so unfair the most messy and suicidal of the races have no cap on thier ancient, rust n ducct-tape covered guns!!!!
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Home 0f Bored Occultists
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Posted - 2008.03.02 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Deadeye Devie
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer ..........BTW youre ACs are capless, they should have some drawback. They can also use all damage types. Easy to forget these things when youre minmatard it seems.
Yes, they do have drawbacks....having to listen to boring monotonus, non-reasoned, insulting crap from amarrians about how its so unfair the most messy and suicidal of the races have no cap on thier ancient, rust n ducct-tape covered guns!!!!
Yep they have no cap and they are rust n duct-taped. How can you expect these to perform like a laser? -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare |
Deadeye Devie
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Posted - 2008.03.02 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Deadeye Devie
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer ..........BTW youre ACs are capless, they should have some drawback. They can also use all damage types. Easy to forget these things when youre minmatard it seems.
Yes, they do have drawbacks....having to listen to boring monotonus, non-reasoned, insulting crap from amarrians about how its so unfair the most messy and suicidal of the races have no cap on thier ancient, rust n ducct-tape covered guns!!!!
Yep they have no cap and they are rust n duct-taped. How can you expect these to perform like a laser?
ask the russiuans, Mir space station had been in space 8 days short of 10 years making it the longest space presence of mankind up there, and was made in 1986 on by connecting modules together.....the docking ring it used and shuttles it used to board it were soyuz class, designed by Sergey Korolyov , same as have been used since 1966 for the first unmanned and 67 for the 1st manned flight.
as far as i know the closest to to a more modern, high tech station built by another race is the international; space station, but then again that is mainly based on russian design, and as thier main enemy during the cold war, the USA never got near to building a space station, not even with all thier fancy new high tech gadgets nasa have made.....
in essence, all the gadgetry and high tech things in the world, be it lasers, computers, shields, etc....none of them can match up with basic, functional, scrapheap duct-tape-and-a-bit-of-hope engineering.
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MenanceWhite
Amarr Fruit Fellatio
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Posted - 2008.03.02 16:50:00 -
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Comparing something "realistic" with internet spaceship games is never the best idea. ---
Originally by: Torfi There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses
Originally by: Oveur
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Home 0f Bored Occultists
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Posted - 2008.03.02 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Deadeye Devie has anyone actual;ly pointed out to the OP that using the claw as a base example of how some races can fit top end small turrets on with minimal fus is a very bad usage of an example?
to demonstrate, using figures my character has as a basius, thus more down to earth and realistic than any EFT setup...
1. claw has a lock range of 20km 2. top tier arties have optimal of 23km 3.even with range boosters or other players boosting my range with sensor links i cant get to far over the 23km lock range. 4. i have only 2 mids on a claw so i dont wanna have to waste space with electronic nonsense. 5. claw is best used as a fast anti-inti ship with ACs as it doesnt have the setout for tackling unless your skilled. 6. no race can fit a full rack of biggest top end small turrests with long ranged damage without sacrificing tank or some other factor (hence tank OR gank) 7. better weapons are *****ble if you have spent a decent ammount of time concentrating on the skills you need to lower the pg and cpu usage of the mods you will use on your ship. just because you have 1 skill to say you can fit it, doesnt mean you CAN fit it, there are MANY more factors at work.
How about we fit top tier ACs? Crusader cant fit top tier pulses.
1. the lock range wont matter. 2. operating range of ACs enough considering lockrange 3. dont need more lockrange 4. sader got 2 mids too, same problem. they are equal there 5. same with sader 6. claw can fit top tier guns and rest of fitting with 1 fitting mod, crusader cant 7. why should claw be able to fit top tier guns with 1 fitting mod but crusader cant?
Ill ask again: Why can claw fit top tier Acs viably with only 1 fitting mod but crusader cant fit top tier pulses without filling all its lows with fitting mods, ie alot more then 1 fitting mod?
All your points are invalid if you consider ACs and pulses.
Ill ask again: Why can claw fit top tier Acs viably with only 1 fitting mod but crusader cant fit top tier pulses without filling all its lows with fitting mods, ie alot more then 1 fitting mod? -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare |
Deadeye Devie
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Posted - 2008.03.02 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: MenanceWhite Comparing something "realistic" with internet spaceship games is never the best idea.
true, i agree with you there. Though likewise it is pointless arguing for things to be added/rebalanced/changed due to real life so that the game can reflect this, such as adding a small ammount of cap usage to all turrets as they would need power to turn them to aim, etc...
my point was purely that just coz something is low tech and in comparison, outdated, such as ACs, compaired to lasers, it doesnt mean they are useless.
and back on topic, just because you cant fit full top small long ranged turrets on your boat WITH all your tackling and tank as well, isnt this where the variation of ships comes in? one aspect must always be sacrificed to enable another to be fully realised....if tank n tackle needs to be toned down, or one of the 2 removed, then so be it. Yes, some ships can fit a full rack of top small turrets without an excess of pg/cpu mods, but then you have to compare the base stats of the ships in question. Which has the greater HP buffer/resists on shields or armour? which is faster? which has a better lock time/range? can a sader with full top long ranged smalls effectivly speed tank to negate any form of other tank? and if so, would it be an effective tackler? if not, do you need the tackling gear or part of it? is there others in your gang that can make up the gaps you have in your setup if you were to take some off for the guns you want? and so-on, and so-on....
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Deadeye Devie
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Posted - 2008.03.02 17:27:00 -
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Edited by: Deadeye Devie on 02/03/2008 17:33:13
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Deadeye Devie has anyone actual;ly pointed out to the OP that using the claw as a base example of how some races can fit top end small turrets on with minimal fus is a very bad usage of an example?
to demonstrate, using figures my character has as a basius, thus more down to earth and realistic than any EFT setup...
1. claw has a lock range of 20km 2. top tier arties have optimal of 23km 3.even with range boosters or other players boosting my range with sensor links i cant get to far over the 23km lock range. 4. i have only 2 mids on a claw so i dont wanna have to waste space with electronic nonsense. 5. claw is best used as a fast anti-inti ship with ACs as it doesnt have the setout for tackling unless your skilled. 6. no race can fit a full rack of biggest top end small turrests with long ranged damage without sacrificing tank or some other factor (hence tank OR gank) 7. better weapons are *****ble if you have spent a decent ammount of time concentrating on the skills you need to lower the pg and cpu usage of the mods you will use on your ship. just because you have 1 skill to say you can fit it, doesnt mean you CAN fit it, there are MANY more factors at work.
How about we fit top tier ACs? Crusader cant fit top tier pulses.
1. the lock range wont matter. 2. operating range of ACs enough considering lockrange 3. dont need more lockrange 4. sader got 2 mids too, same problem. they are equal there 5. same with sader 6. claw can fit top tier guns and rest of fitting with 1 fitting mod, crusader cant 7. why should claw be able to fit top tier guns with 1 fitting mod but crusader cant?
Ill ask again: Why can claw fit top tier Acs viably with only 1 fitting mod but crusader cant fit top tier pulses without filling all its lows with fitting mods, ie alot more then 1 fitting mod?
All your points are invalid if you consider ACs and pulses.
Ill ask again: Why can claw fit top tier Acs viably with only 1 fitting mod but crusader cant fit top tier pulses without filling all its lows with fitting mods, ie alot more then 1 fitting mod?
my question top you is simply, "Why?????" Why not use ACs, and spoeed fit with a tracking mod and go for close anti inti work??? serves the fleet better knowing they have somneone who can take out the rivals tacklers, and makes the whole fitting makew waaaay more sense given pg/cpu constraints and locking distance.
also what exactly is the saders roll in the gang? is it aimed for locking down or gank? a jag with 3x mid tier t2 ACs tracks better and hits more con stantly that with top tier ones.
bigger is not always better, look at rate of fire, damage over time, consistancy of hits, and THEN decide what you need.
true, the bigger the more dmg, but also the tracking speed goes down as well as fire rate, and so the payoff is a nice alfa strike, but perhaps a lousy hit consistancy and in the end, less damage done over time than the next g8uns down, that may hit for 20 less, but 20 less EVERY shot is better than 20 morew every 3rd or 4th shot........
i know trhis is a little of an exaggeration but in essence, if you understand what im trying to get across then you will understand why its no biggie it cant fit top tier.
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Kaathar Rielspar
Minmatar Universal Exports FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.03.02 17:37:00 -
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For your enjoyment: Crusader with medium beam II's
Little bit of faction and it fits. People forgot about micro aux power controls? ____________________
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Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.02 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: Kaathar Rielspar For your enjoyment: Crusader with medium beam II's
Little bit of faction and it fits. People forgot about micro aux power controls?
That doesnt have a scrambler. Ergo it does not fit. You are 30 CPU short.
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