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JVR JVR
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Posted - 2008.03.02 22:07:00 -
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Anyone notice Amarr has been pretty hard done by for quite sometime now ?. Im biggest concern is the Curse. It looses 30% of it's drone bay which is where it's damage is making it a rather low DPS ship. the Zealot is crap, 4 gun turrets and how about a better drone bay!. Sacrilage, well great tanker but again CRAP dps. Absolution is the only decent ship, and even then they should allow it to have 7 gun turrets instead of 6.
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Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.02 22:16:00 -
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Johnny JoJo is being ripped off!
Suffice to say the Zealot gets a 5th turret soonÖ, the Sac has hilarious dps if you fit it for damage, and yes the Abso could use a 7th turret. And I don't think dps is the curses intended primary trade.
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Vicious Phoenix
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Posted - 2008.03.02 22:20:00 -
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The Curse doesn't have stellar DPS because no recon does. It's inline with the rest of them.
CFW (Certified Forum Warrior) I kill people ingame too.
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Meiyang Lee
Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2008.03.02 22:50:00 -
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Where is the Curse loosing 30% of its dronebay? On SiSi? Did they reduce it to 100m3 or something? Still not bad, same DPS just less waves of it, will take away from the utility if anything which is a shame.
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Vicious Phoenix
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Posted - 2008.03.02 22:52:00 -
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Originally by: Meiyang Lee Where is the Curse loosing 30% of its dronebay? On SiSi? Did they reduce it to 100m3 or something? Still not bad, same DPS just less waves of it, will take away from the utility if anything which is a shame.
I think he's talking about the old change from 75 m3 drone bay to 50mbit bandwidth and 150m3 dronebay.
CFW (Certified Forum Warrior) I kill people ingame too.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford I prefer dew over pepsi. I prefer beer over most things. Damn now I want beer.
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Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.02 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: Meiyang Lee Where is the Curse loosing 30% of its dronebay? On SiSi? Did they reduce it to 100m3 or something? Still not bad, same DPS just less waves of it, will take away from the utility if anything which is a shame.
He is prolly refering to it having only 50 bandwidth while before that it could field 75 worth of drones.
There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Scorpion There is no 'e' in Caldari There is no makeup in rogue drones |
Meiyang Lee
Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2008.03.02 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: Leandro Salazar
Originally by: Meiyang Lee Where is the Curse loosing 30% of its dronebay? On SiSi? Did they reduce it to 100m3 or something? Still not bad, same DPS just less waves of it, will take away from the utility if anything which is a shame.
He is prolly refering to it having only 50 bandwidth while before that it could field 75 worth of drones.
that's rather out of date whining then Frankly the Curse isn't a DPS boat to begin its far more about denying the enemie the cap to tank what DPS you can put out.
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Riho
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.03.02 23:08:00 -
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curse is a recon.. not a dps machine... OPs whine is stupid
zealot gets 5 turrets next patch... allso irrelavant whine.
abso is good whit 6 guns.
sac is the second best HAC after vaga and just infront of ishtar ---------------------------------- This is Me, fighting stupidity one post at a time. PS: There are no computer BUGs, there is stuff called "Random Features"
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Bad Borris
Dragons Of Redemption Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.02 23:14:00 -
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You must be joking right? Right? The three ships you mention are just great pvp ships. No doubt about it. I see people using these ships everyday and getting great results.
I dont know what you think everyone else is flying but it sure aint uber tanking great dps omgwtf solo pwnmobiles with great range and speed.
Quit bloody whining about amarr. You have enough good ships for me to legitimately claim that you are in the same boat as all the other races. I.E. strengths and weaknesses, balancing issues but plenty to play with. Just stop balling your eyes out and play the damned game with what you have. Seriously.
ps. Im caldari.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Home 0f Bored Occultists
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Posted - 2008.03.03 00:12:00 -
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Curse is pure ****. There is no point in flying the curse. A falcon/rook and huginn/rapier do the recon job better. Falcons just shut down enemy ships leaving them defenseless. Huginns just lock down any nano and fast flying ships.
Why would you ever need a curse?
Neuting nanos? So what, huginns can do that better. Neuts suck. TDing turret ships? So what, rooks can totally shut down even battleships. They cant even use drones or remote rep eachother. TDs suck. Huginn outdamages a curse. Wich is lol. Huginn is faster and has more useful ew.
Do you know that curses die to injected zealots and dont get me started on pilgrim, it sucks beyond suckage.
Sacri is fine. HAMs need more damage though. Its a lol close range weapon.
Zealot will be ok soon but should get some extra pg when considering the eagle. -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare |
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mothermoon2
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Posted - 2008.03.03 00:16:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Curse is pure ****. There is no point in flying the curse. A falcon/rook and huginn/rapier do the recon job better. Falcons just shut down enemy ships leaving them defenseless. Huginns just lock down any nano and fast flying ships.
Why would you ever need a curse?
Neuting nanos? So what, huginns can do that better. Neuts suck. TDing turret ships? So what, rooks can totally shut down even battleships. They cant even use drones or remote rep eachother. TDs suck. Huginn outdamages a curse. Wich is lol. Huginn is faster and has more useful ew.
Do you know that curses die to injected zealots and dont get me started on pilgrim, it sucks beyond suckage.
Sacri is fine. HAMs need more damage though. Its a lol close range weapon.
Zealot will be ok soon but should get some extra pg when considering the eagle.
becuase nueting is dangerous.
sure it has low dps, and so will you in 40 seconds with no cap.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Home 0f Bored Occultists
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Posted - 2008.03.03 00:20:00 -
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Originally by: mothermoon2
yeah I agree! I mean who needs cap anyways, that's not important in eve at all.
Because cap will save your dual webbed nano hac? Cap will make you able to lock your friend to remote rep him so he doesnt die? Cap will make you able to send drones on the ship that is causing you trouble?
Why drain someones cap when you can jam them to oblivion or nail em in space with a dual web. DPS is just something that speeds things up, youll kill your enemy eventually you dont NEED neuts. -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare |
Julius Romanus
Blood Corsair's Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.03.03 00:31:00 -
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Neuts are not useless...
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Home 0f Bored Occultists
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Posted - 2008.03.03 00:42:00 -
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Originally by: Julius Romanus Neuts are not useless...
They are not? Please explain. -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare |
vostok
Minmatar Suns Of Korhal deadspace society
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Posted - 2008.03.03 01:34:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Julius Romanus Neuts are not useless...
They are not? Please explain.
lyria you really suck, I can only assume this is a troll for the sheer stupidity of what you are saying...
anyways, though I can't in fact make you look any more stupid, I can try to explain to you why everybody here has this opinion of you:
cap is used by many pilots to activate modules such as turrets, shield boosters, armour repairers, hardeners, many forms of ew, and you guessed it, energy neuts!
i know this may be a suprise to you but a ship not having cap in a situation where you have a many man gank squad on 1, like you mentioned earlier, obviously the ships here aren't really important, many on 1 you tend to lose anyway, but lets say for a second, its a moderate gank with only 2 or 3 people with the curse, suddenly that 800 dps maelstrom tank doesn't seem so daunting, and that min recon is sitting there going ha, look guys he can't move, and nobody cares because it was going to moving about no m/s compared to any of the T2 cruisers anyway.
now at this point, yes a curse isn't very effective against say a passive shield tank, oh deary me, the curse can't *****any ship it meets, the horror of that.
now going back to your little rant earlier about how a curse wont help against a double webbed nano hac...
now you see, nano hacs don't get webbed by normal ships, it does however help if they're not running a mwd, and gee i don't know any ships that spec in neuting at long range. this is just another example of you you have missed the point once again, yes a min recon can web a nano ship, thats one of their weaknesses, but it cant warp scram too, you need a gal recon for that since no self respecting nano pilot will get caught by a web without using momentum to drag him off in some random direction to maybe 30 - 40km. The point is, a curse can easily help kill a nano ship
now you said a huginn outdamages a curse and whether it does or not is not really important, the point there is why does damage matter when you have no cap to tank, the difference is dying slowly with a curse killing you, or probably not dying, sitting still while a huginn orbits you and you call for your friends. not to mention that a curse can shut down a ships damage if it picks its targets well and engages ship that use cap req guns and low drones, where a huginn simply cannot fly solo, ever, unless its killing frigates in lowsec space, just what you want on your killboards... ''I kill 10 day old chars in noob ships with a cloaking T2 ship, aren't I clever''
and this whole post leads back to the problem that you seem to have with the world in general and understanding that the world is not in fact there to get you, in fact the world doesn't care about you or your thoughtless ideas and you frankly soil these forums with your presence.
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ThatCpp
Gallente Knights Of the Black Sun
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Posted - 2008.03.03 01:39:00 -
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Absolution should definitely get the extra turret, although without a grid increase. It would still be able to downsize the guns to fit one more and still do more damage than it currently does.
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welsh wizard
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.03.03 04:17:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Curse is pure ****. There is no point in flying the curse.
Theres usually a bit of sense in your arguments... It's still just about the hardest sub capital ship in the game to fight alone. The first thing I learnt back in june 2004 is that capacitor is life and that rule has never been truer. Effective capacitor annihilation is complete gold dust and no amount of whining on this forum will ever change that.
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Nasta443
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Posted - 2008.03.03 04:25:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Julius Romanus Neuts are not useless...
They are not? Please explain.
Wow. Do you actually even play at all?
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AndrewRyan
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Posted - 2008.03.03 04:35:00 -
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A Nano ship cannot MWD if he has no cap, a Huginn cannot web anything if he has no cap, remote repping BSs cannot do much if they have no cap. The list goes on. ========================================= A Man chooses, a slave obeys. |
Willy Joe
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Posted - 2008.03.03 04:53:00 -
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Originally by: vostok
now going back to your little rant earlier about how a curse wont help against a double webbed nano hac...
you see, nano hacs don't get webbed by normal ships, it does however help if they're not running a mwd, and gee I don't know any ships that spec in neuting at long range. this is just another example of you you have missed the point once again, yes a min recon can web a nano ship, thats one of their weaknesses, but it cant warp scram too, you need a gal recon for that since no self respecting nano pilot will get caught by a web without using momentum to drag him off in some random direction to maybe 30 - 40km. The point is, a curse can easily help kill a nano ship
Stating that a curse will be able to lock a nano ship in place better than a huggin/rapier is just LOL. I do belive that curse still has a role which it fills very well , but it's certainly not that.( While it would be doable , the inertia from mwd-ing would be felt a lot more if the ship is neuted , thus no longer able to use his mwd , than dual-webbed.)
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vostok
Minmatar Suns Of Korhal deadspace society
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Posted - 2008.03.03 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: Willy Joe
Originally by: vostok
now going back to your little rant earlier about how a curse wont help against a double webbed nano hac...
you see, nano hacs don't get webbed by normal ships, it does however help if they're not running a mwd, and gee I don't know any ships that spec in neuting at long range. this is just another example of you you have missed the point once again, yes a min recon can web a nano ship, thats one of their weaknesses, but it cant warp scram too, you need a gal recon for that since no self respecting nano pilot will get caught by a web without using momentum to drag him off in some random direction to maybe 30 - 40km. The point is, a curse can easily help kill a nano ship
Stating that a curse will be able to lock a nano ship in place better than a huggin/rapier is just LOL. I do belive that curse still has a role which it fills very well , but it's certainly not that.( While it would be doable , the inertia from mwd-ing would be felt a lot more if the ship is neuted , thus no longer able to use his mwd , than dual-webbed.)
It would have been good if you had read my post at all, you may note here in hindsight that ''The point is, a curse can easily help kill a nano ship''. At no point did I say it was better, it quite obviously is not, though it had been mentioned earlier how it was useless against nano hac, by lyria skydancer, and I was pointing out how that was wrong.
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VaderDSL
Caldari Personal Vendetta Reavers.
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Posted - 2008.03.03 11:14:00 -
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Zealots scare the **** out of me so do Absolutions. When I fly a Fleet CS or a Logistics ship I hate seeing either a Curse/Zealot/Absolution they simply hurt, a lot!
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Ogul
Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.03.03 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Sacri is fine. HAMs need more damage though. Its a lol close range weapon.
Don't forget that they always hit, don't need cap and can switch damage types.
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Agil TradeAlt
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Posted - 2008.03.03 11:33:00 -
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Edited by: Agil TradeAlt on 03/03/2008 11:35:02
Originally by: AndrewRyan A Nano ship cannot MWD if he has no cap, a Huginn cannot web anything if he has no cap, remote repping BSs cannot do much if they have no cap. The list goes on.
Most nanoships fit a capbooster I think, to make them neut immune. But wont the curse also run out of cap if it neuts?
But I think the issue is, nanoship pilots are not stupid. if they see a curse or huggin, they are killed first. If there is a chance to loose, the nanoships will disengage and there is nothing the curse or huggin can do about it due to the long deaceleration of being webbed.
Originally by: CCP kieron ISK buying is a major contributor to the inflation in EVE's economy.
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Tefkros
The Dead Pod Society Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2008.03.03 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Curse is pure ****. There is no point in flying the curse. A falcon/rook and huginn/rapier do the recon job better. Falcons just shut down enemy ships leaving them defenseless. Huginns just lock down any nano and fast flying ships.
Why would you ever need a curse?
Neuting nanos? So what, huginns can do that better. Neuts suck. TDing turret ships? So what, rooks can totally shut down even battleships. They cant even use drones or remote rep eachother. TDs suck. Huginn outdamages a curse. Wich is lol. Huginn is faster and has more useful ew.
Do you know that curses die to injected zealots and dont get me started on pilgrim, it sucks beyond suckage.
Sacri is fine. HAMs need more damage though. Its a lol close range weapon.
Zealot will be ok soon but should get some extra pg when considering the eagle.
Do you really want to see what a Curse with Radar strength of 150 or even 170 will do to your Rook/Falcon that tries to jam your gang? I guess you have to see, since creative thinking is not your strong point. I¦m sure you consider the only counter to a Rook to be anothe Rook, eh. Yeah neuts suck. Lol
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