Pages: 1 2 3 4 :: [one page] |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Ghreymar LaNayeur
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 00:42:00 -
[1]
Eve has become a cruel, and unfair game, and it is only a matter of time before everyone quits playing, and joins a game where the game developers were smart enough to get it right.
As has been recently seen in some of the many threads created in this forum, griefers such as Goonswarm, privateers, muffin factory, the united, and others are ruining the game by seeking their perverse individual enjoyment at the expense of the game experiences of others. Eve is an economic simulation first and foremost, and they should therefore be punished severely to eliminate the adverse affects they and their ilk have on the harmony of the market.
CCP, however, have shown their utter ineptitude in dealing what will certainly be the death of their product. Recent patches have introduced MORE, not less, reason for these evil creatures to continue their activities, and have added no such features for the bulk of their player base, which the previous economic dev blog showed WAS in fact, empire miners, traders, and industrialists. The last patch saw the addition of the heavy interdictor cruiser, which eliminated the effectiveness of warp core stabilizers as a viable defense against griefer gatecamps. they also introduced MORE unnecessary PVP ships without adding ANY new tools for any of eve's TRUE professions.
Not only that, they have continued to ignore the problem of high-sec ganking. High sec is supposed to be the haven of economic activity in eve, with concord protecting all those who choose to bypass the silly and unprofitable passtime of firing at each other and losing ships in 0.0 and lowsec. By allowing such an activity to go on, they are undermining their core followers, who can do nothing to stop these griefers from interfering with our activities. Should i choose to not participate in combat-related activities, that should be my choice. These griefers should not be allowed to continue to attack me and my fellow players in the safe haven and get away with it. CCP is clearly unaware of this problem, despite the many forum threads pertaining to it, as well as the many petitions I and my corp mates have sent. All these complaints have fallen upon deaf (and soon to be unemployed!) ears.
This has finally been brought to a head by the recent "jihad" of goonswarm against other fellow law-abiding citizens of empire space. Not only is this war a direct insult to all those who lost their lives on September 11, 2001, as well as all those brave soldiers fighting and dying against the terrorists in Iraq and Iran, but they are also FURTHER undermining the efforts of law abiding empire residents in their pursuit of peace and economic gain.
I therefore submit this open letter to CCP, and declare that i, and my fellow corpmates, will leave this game, and take the thousands of dollars a year that we contribute to your now very sadly misguided enterprise, should our grievances not be met.
our demands are: -eliminate heavy interdictors! they are a dirge on those of us who choose to travel through lowsec shortcuts and signal that we do not wish to engage in pvp by outfitting warpcore stabilizers
-stop empire ganking! it is harmful to economic development, and is quite frankly very wrong and unjust
-stop threatening to move missions to lowsec! it is already hard enough for us to run lvl 4s (which have been overdue to become more profitable in quite some time!) and any more difficulty will result in masses of empire missioners leaving the game alltogether
-give us more toys to play with! we consist of the majority of eve players, yet all new content is geared towards the small minority who choose to follow the narrow profession of combat pilots
|
Ghreymar LaNayeur
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 00:44:00 -
[2]
Edited by: Ghreymar LaNayeur on 05/03/2008 00:47:45 -also, punish scammers. each account of a poor player like small chimp being scammed is yet one more player who will leave the game and never come back
all other complaints added by others will be added to this post.
also fix the damned forums, i'm sick of having to log in four times to post a thread
|
Larg Kellein
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 00:49:00 -
[3]
Obvious troll is obvious.
|
The Herrick
Gallente SniggWaffe
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 00:51:00 -
[4]
Tarminic...is that you?
Originally by: Tania Russ
Those of us who actually build stuff and accomplish something worthwhile in Eve, as opposed to pirates, who basically don't accomplish anything but stealing other people's stuff. |
DigitalCommunist
Obsidian Core
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 00:51:00 -
[5]
Unfunny as hell. _______________________________ http://epicwords.net/ |
Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari Worms Corp
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 00:54:00 -
[6]
EVE high sec is like Philadelphia, it has law and order but you can be killed at anytime anywhere on anyday. and that is just a fact of life. course you could always move to Delaware(fantasy MMOs).
|
Cailais
Amarr VITOC Hedonistic Imperative
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 00:54:00 -
[7]
Is it CCPs ineptitude? Or is it in fact that given a sandbox within which to mold a society that very society turns against itself?
Perhaps EVE reflects the darker nature of the human psyche than many would care to admit? Instead they turn to CCP to apply blame.
Its a cruel universe, and disturbingly attractive for that very reason.
C.
Improved Low Sec Idea!! |
Ghengis Gone
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 01:03:00 -
[8]
Yeah, it's an obvious troll and not a very good one because no one is biting, but he should get a decent amount of points for using links properly and a good writing style. 6/10
|
Lirt
Ceratias Holboelli
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 01:05:00 -
[9]
Quote: Obvious troll is obvious.
Are you looking to the mirror? And also have you ever faced a REAL troll? I think not. So crawl back.
-------------------------------------------------- "Assumption is the Mother of Screw-Up"
|
The Herrick
Gallente SniggWaffe
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 01:11:00 -
[10]
Originally by: Lirt
Quote: Obvious troll is obvious.
Are you looking to the mirror? And also have you ever faced a REAL troll? I think not. So crawl back.
...wait does that mean you agree with the OP? I'd keep that fact to yourself if I were you.
Originally by: Tania Russ
Those of us who actually build stuff and accomplish something worthwhile in Eve, as opposed to pirates, who basically don't accomplish anything but stealing other people's stuff. |
|
Chirruper
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 01:17:00 -
[11]
Well he's either trolling or needs a savage beating with the Baseball Bat of Reason.
|
Havok Dryke
Golden Gavel Enterprises The Cooperative
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 01:18:00 -
[12]
I don't see it yet, so I'm just putting this out there...
Can I have your stuff? You don't seem to want it. --------------------------------------
EVE is a cold, harsh world, filled with people that would kill you without a second thought. The forums are even worse. |
Noden Vorpalstar
Gallente The Knights Of Polaris
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 01:21:00 -
[13]
Umm... Is he serious?
|
Lirt
Ceratias Holboelli
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 01:22:00 -
[14]
Edited by: Lirt on 05/03/2008 01:22:09
Quote: ...wait does that mean you agree with the OP? I'd keep that fact to yourself if I were you
Im not saying i agree with op, im saying that this guy tries to say something that bothers him, he writes down a whole text and some people answer to him "you are troll stfu". So who is the troll again?
-------------------------------------------------- "Assumption is the Mother of Screw-Up"
|
Ringo Jeicha
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 01:22:00 -
[15]
Since when is Jihad a banned word?
|
Lirt
Ceratias Holboelli
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 01:24:00 -
[16]
Quote: Can I have your stuff? You don't seem to want it.
If he didnt want his stuff he wouldn't have posted all this. Thinking before trolling is always good.
-------------------------------------------------- "Assumption is the Mother of Screw-Up"
|
Shogun Archer
Gallente Eradico Omnis
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 01:28:00 -
[17]
Edited by: Shogun Archer on 05/03/2008 01:28:02 Eve is cruel and unfair. Just like life is cruel and unfair.
Jihad actually means "inner struggle". It's not a bad word. OP, you almost remind me of a liberal facist. You want to live in your cute little "have a nice day" world, and you want the "Government" (CCP) to regulate anything and everything to make sure your little "have a nice day" liberally facist world stays just how you want it.
|
Mara Noan
Illuminati Inc. Black Star Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 01:28:00 -
[18]
Originally by: Havok Dryke I don't see it yet, so I'm just putting this out there...
Can I have your stuff? You don't seem to want it.
This I was expecting a lot sooner than it came up. "Common sense, it's not that common."
|
Larg Kellein
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 01:37:00 -
[19]
Edited by: Larg Kellein on 05/03/2008 01:37:19
Originally by: Lirt Edited by: Lirt on 05/03/2008 01:22:09
Quote: ...wait does that mean you agree with the OP? I'd keep that fact to yourself if I were you
Im not saying i agree with op, im saying that this guy tries to say something that bothers him, he writes down a whole text and some people answer to him "you are troll stfu". So who is the troll again?
You did spot the linking to Hello Kitty Online, right? It couldn't be more obvious trolling if he wore a giant, purple sign saying "here be trolls, repent now" while singing a song about happy little trolls and their friends defending their swamp against an evil prince.
|
Havohej
The Defias Brotherhood ANTHRAX DEATH
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 01:39:00 -
[20]
Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker EVE high sec is like Philadelphia, it has law and order but you can be killed at anytime anywhere on anyday. and that is just a fact of life. course you could always move to Delaware(fantasy MMOs).
ROFL I'm FROM Philadelphia So true, never thought of it like that before!
|
|
Max Nero
Xeno Tech Corp United Corporations Against Macros
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 01:42:00 -
[21]
Originally by: Ringo Jeicha Since when is Jihad a banned word?
I don't think I got the memo either... Anyone got a copy?
Originally by: Niklo Game to become is more and more similar to prison for not aggressive people.
|
Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari Worms Corp
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 01:44:00 -
[22]
Originally by: Havohej
Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker EVE high sec is like Philadelphia, it has law and order but you can be killed at anytime anywhere on anyday. and that is just a fact of life. course you could always move to Delaware(fantasy MMOs).
ROFL I'm FROM Philadelphia So true, never thought of it like that before!
im from south jersey, when i watch 6abc some nights its like reading the combat logs from EC-P8R.....
|
Lewis Atreides
Caldari House Atreides trade
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 01:47:00 -
[23]
Edited by: Lewis Atreides on 05/03/2008 01:53:11
Originally by: Cailais Is it CCPs ineptitude? Or is it in fact that given a sandbox within which to mold a society that very society turns against itself?
Perhaps EVE reflects the darker nature of the human psyche than many would care to admit? Instead they turn to CCP to apply blame.
Its a cruel universe, and disturbingly attractive for that very reason.
C.
Dude that is deep, and I completely agree, CCP just gave us a area to play in everything else is on us.
I have told people who have questioned me about EVE that it can be best discribed as anarchy and capitolism in it's purest form. EVE IS a cold dark place were if you mess up it will chew you up and spit your broken, weeping body into a dark and forgotten corner of space.
**--------**--------------** While blood, carnage, and distruction may be my "happy place" that is nothing like the feeling I get while hauling 2 mill isk in goods thru low sec. |
Arvald
Caldari House of Tempers
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 01:51:00 -
[24]
Originally by: Chirruper Well he's either trolling or needs a savage beating with the Baseball Bat of Reason.
just say the word ---------------------------------------------
|
Chimay
Caldari Induseng Enterprises R0ADKILL
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 01:53:00 -
[25]
I'll give this a rating of 2.
Decent troll attempt but the cards were spread to thin to make a point. Short version could be stop after the link. Anything after that was more or less to much effort.
_________________ My PvP videos http://www.bradster.net
|
Jinx Barker
GFB Scientific
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 02:04:00 -
[26]
Originally by: Ghreymar LaNayeur
This has finally been brought to a head by the recent "jihad" of goonswarm against other fellow law-abiding citizens of empire space.
So, Goons and people they are attacking are fellow -law-abiding citizens then? No problems here then. Moving on....
Originally by: Ghreymar LaNayeur
Not only is this war a direct insult to all those who lost their lives on September 11, 2001, as well as all those brave soldiers fighting and dying against the terrorists in Iraq and Iran, but they are also FURTHER undermining the efforts of law abiding empire residents in their pursuit of peace and economic gain.
We have invaded Iran? When? No one told me about that.. damn our boys move fast.
Cut the sanctimonious bull-crap and realize that only war in EVE is what drives the economy, that's it, war and profits of war. Well equipped T2 Ships do not die in missions, at least not while in the hands of experienced pilots, and belt rats are no match for Hulks.. so get off your high horse and learn something about EVE - it is bloody, it is cruel, and it is unfair, and that what makes it so much fun.
|
Johsua Yoltar
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 02:12:00 -
[27]
Edited by: Johsua Yoltar on 05/03/2008 02:13:47 Ghreymar
Quote: Eve has become a cruel, and unfair game, and it is only a matter of time before everyone quits playing, and joins a game where the game developers were smart enough to get it right.
Eve has always been and always will be a cruel game, MANY people have quit playing because of this, but many stay to play this game just because of this factor, because it is cruel and unfair. Whats good a game if its easy, you will quit eventually because it will get boring.
Quote: As has been recently seen in some of the many threads created in this forum, griefers such as Goonswarm, privateers, muffin factory, the united, and others are ruining the game by seeking their perverse individual enjoyment at the expense of the game experiences of others.
To be honest with you buddy, this is part of the game, and again, it always has been. The swarm, the factory, united, all these guys, this is what we do, this is how we play the game. Do note buddy, that this is A GAME, its not like these individuals are going around killing people in rl. As a matter of fact, if you have such a problem with it, i guess its better of for you just to leave.
Quote: Not only that, they have continued to ignore the problem of high-sec ganking.
Well, perhaps CCP hasnt ignored the problem of high sec ganking, perhaps they dont see it as a problem at all, it makes this game what it is in many ways, makes the game very realistic, keeps you on your toes.
Quote: By allowing such an activity to go on, they are undermining their core followers, who can do nothing to stop these griefers from interfering with our activities.
If you call yourselves "core followers", you're all wrong. If you were, you wouldnt take this temporary swarm invasion of high sec so seriously, and "threaten" if you want to call it that, to deactivate your account.
Quote: High sec is supposed to be the haven of economic activity in eve, with concord protecting all those who choose to bypass the silly and unprofitable passtime of firing at each other and losing ships in 0.0 and lowsec.
High sec is suppose to be relatively safe, yes, but not totally safe, Plus Concord does protect many if not all that want to bypass pvp, within reason. FYI to you Ghreymar, pvp is fun, and it can be VERY profitable
Quote: Should i choose to not participate in combat-related activities, that should be my choice.
Indeed it is your choice not to fire back, but like i wrote earlier in my post, high sec is safe but not totally safe.
Quote: This has finally been brought to a head by the recent "jihad" of goonswarm against other fellow law-abiding citizens of empire space. Not only is this war a direct insult to all those who lost their lives on September 11, 2001, as well as all those brave soldiers fighting and dying against the terrorists in Iraq and when did we ever invade Iran?
With this Ghreymar you have gone too far and you should feel ashamed for yourself, the swarm has not in any way insulted the people that died in sept 11 or in Iraq and Iran. The simple definition of Jihad is a holy war against unbelievers, does that say ANYTHING about september 11 or the war?
Quote: I therefore submit this open letter to CCP, and declare that i, and my fellow corpmates, will leave this game, and take the thousands of dollars a year that we contribute to your now very sadly misguided enterprise, should our grievances not be met.
Honestly and truly Ghreymar, you leaving is but a small wound to CCP, which in return perhaps twice as many will subscribe to EVE after the first week of you and your corp mates deactivating.
Quote: our demands are:
all that comes after this is epic fail, really all that you wrote was failure, but this fails the most heh..
Now to sum up my post, the swarm, privateers, the factory, united and all you ladies keep up the yarring. and i'll do the same.
---------------------------------
|
Karyuudo Tydraad
Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 02:15:00 -
[28]
You made it too obvious, not enough people are biting. :(
|
Hippy Dave
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 02:23:00 -
[29]
Can't believe some people didnt spot the troll....
I mean cmon apart from anything else he even linked this to another troll post.
|
John Roberts
Caldari
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 02:25:00 -
[30]
It was only a matter of time before someone's whine involved 9/11 and such 9/11 is ******* over. leave it be...jeebus. If you don't like how the game is, leave. Only your corpmates will really miss you unless you have another mmo you play together. And no, I'm not a member of goonswarm, or the other pvpers that are out there. I'm just a guy taking the trial time to train his acct, so I don't really give a rats ass.
Got Cheese To Go With That Whine?
|
|
Neth'Rae
Gallente Neth's Workshop
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 02:34:00 -
[31]
Well written but yeah, it's way to obvious..
Request signatures at EVE-GFX |
SchirmerN
Amarr x13
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 02:41:00 -
[32]
Edited by: SchirmerN on 05/03/2008 02:45:41
Originally by: Ghreymar LaNayeur A lot of nonsense
/me grabs the cola gonna need some caffeine to reply to that wall of nonsense.
There are so many things wrong with this post, i hardly know where to begin.
|
Teebee
Repo Industries R.E.P.O.
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 02:43:00 -
[33]
-stop threatening to move missions to lowsec! it is already hard enough for us to run lvl 4s (which have been overdue to become more profitable in quite some time!) and any more difficulty will result in masses of empire missioners leaving the game alltogether
............................................................ First of all highsec ganks and scams are 2 diffrent things. You can prevent highsec ganks but even the most cautious person can get scammed but I do think scammers need some kind of punishment that goes along with the lore. The biggest problem I think CCP has is 1 they dont riemburse most of their customers after a legitamate loss do to their game bugs ect and when there is a epic battle the node crashes so then why make videos showing off huge fleets against each other when most of the time the node or system will crash or lag out ? beats me..... players have been able to lag out a system just by using 2 logistics ships go figure.
|
Sarakiel
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 02:49:00 -
[34]
Stop letting players use this games one aspect that hasnt been met by any other mmo initiative to date. Stop providing a quality game to the one niche that goes unheard. God damnit, put more rules in or I`m going to WoW when WoLK comes out, Im jonesin to do 8 more months of raiding for the 3rd time.
|
Cipher7
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 02:51:00 -
[35]
CCP's trying to do something different.
Not just create a "game" but a comminity-driven world.
Think of it as a social experiment.
Project EvE.
What we see today is society turning on itself, attacking itself.
This is what would happen if the world was a real anarchy.
A prison environment where the inmates outnumber the cops 1000:1
Someone gets shanked or buttr4ped in the shower room, hey it happens every day.
What IS true however is that for the purposes of a for-profit business this is bad. Most people wouldn't pay money to have a prison experience.
Couple that with the fact that the prisoners who came to Eve first pretty much run the prison, the ones that got here first never had to deal with suicide ganking, they didn't have camped choke points 24/7, there were no bubbles in 0.0, you didn't need to call an army to go from point A to point B, it's the new prisoners that have to deal with that.
3 years ago in my ignorance I was flying my Bestower around lowsec with no stabs, trading in livestock, I did this for months and never got ganked.
Back then you could fly a hauler from one end of 0.0 to the other on autopilot and have a 50/50 chance of making it.
The game has changed so much, it's 10x more dangerous than it was when most of us were "growing up."
At the same time money has become 10x easier to make.
It took me 3 months to get into my first cruiser, I worked my @ss off to get that ship, now its like "hey I've been playing 2 days which cruiser should I get."
On the whole I'd say Eve has gotten better with time, however one has to account for population when discussing game mechanics.
The game mechanics that work when you have 5000 people online might not be suitable when you have 30,000 online and CCP has been very slow to evolve those mechanics, only when a mechanic gets WIDELY abused do they step in and say "hey wait, this is not how we intended it."
In my opinion they have been REACTIVE rather than pro-active in solving problems, they wait for a small problem to become a huge problem before putting out a patch 6 months later.
|
Chirruper
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 03:00:00 -
[36]
Edited by: Chirruper on 05/03/2008 02:59:54
Originally by: Cipher7
What IS true however is that for the purposes of a for-profit business this is bad. Most people wouldn't pay money to have a prison experience.
Couple that with the fact that the prisoners who came to Eve first pretty much run the prison, the ones that got here first never had to deal with suicide ganking, they didn't have camped choke points 24/7, there were no bubbles in 0.0, you didn't need to call an army to go from point A to point B, it's the new prisoners that have to deal with that.
LOL nice metaphor but it goes a little far into the real world. Do you squat on a broomstick every time your ship explodes?
|
Cipher7
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 03:03:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Chirruper Edited by: Chirruper on 05/03/2008 02:59:54
Originally by: Cipher7
What IS true however is that for the purposes of a for-profit business this is bad. Most people wouldn't pay money to have a prison experience.
Couple that with the fact that the prisoners who came to Eve first pretty much run the prison, the ones that got here first never had to deal with suicide ganking, they didn't have camped choke points 24/7, there were no bubbles in 0.0, you didn't need to call an army to go from point A to point B, it's the new prisoners that have to deal with that.
LOL nice metaphor but it goes a little far into the real world. Do you squat on a broomstick every time your ship explodes?
No but logistics is still a pain in the butt.
Get it? Pain in the butt?
|
Chirruper
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 03:06:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Cipher7
No but logistics is still a pain in the butt.
Get it? Pain in the butt?
Lol but seriously, prison would be pretty fun without the pain, death, and buttseks. Thats kinda what EVE is about. Wild west or whatever. . .
|
Kyra Felann
Gallente Noir.
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 03:34:00 -
[39]
Based on the title, I thought this had to be a troll, but the post sounds like the poster might actually be serious.
Surely not.
|
Cipher7
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 03:39:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Chirruper
Originally by: Cipher7
No but logistics is still a pain in the butt.
Get it? Pain in the butt?
Lol but seriously, prison would be pretty fun without the pain, death, and buttseks. Thats kinda what EVE is about. Wild west or whatever. . .
It was originally intended to be a sandbox.
Long distance between sandbox and prison.
Look I'm a big fan of dark sci-fi, evil goth etc, but I accept the fact that other people might not be.
Thats why supposedly we have 3 types of zones in the game, so different people can play how they want.
Yes there SHOULD be targetted assassinations in highsec, there SHOULD be crime, there SHOULD be extortion, there SHOULD be darkness.
But there should also be balance.
Concord remains the only sheriff in town, and Concord is impotent because the insurance company keeps giving the criminal a new ship.
As far as I'm concerned all of Eve now is 0.0
Thats fine with me, but that's not a "sandbox."
It's not the "wild west" either, in the wild west if you so much as stole someone's horse they would hang you.
|
|
Durao
Amarr
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 03:48:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Ghreymar LaNayeur
I therefore submit this open letter to CCP, and declare that i, and my fellow corpmates, will leave this game
If I didn't see the link to Hello Kitty Online, you woulda had me. +1 for effort, though. |
techzer0
IDLE GUNS
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 03:58:00 -
[42]
Edited by: techzer0 on 05/03/2008 03:59:54
Originally by: Ghreymar LaNayeur griefers such as Goonswarm, privateers, muffin factory, the united, and others
Edit: First to say "can I have your stuff?"
Bleh... not on the list
Op fails on that point alone. ------------
Originally by: CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster
|
Barlaka
Amarr Thermopile Systems
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 04:04:00 -
[43]
OP You just don't understand. Adapt or die isn't just a phrase in EVE, it's a choice we all must make. I choose to adapt (3 day's to heavy interdictors ), and you choose to?
And then there is this:
Originally by: Ghreymar LaNayeur
This has finally been brought to a head by the recent "jihad" of goonswarm against other fellow law-abiding citizens of empire space. Not only is this war a direct insult to all those who lost their lives on September 11, 2001, as well as all those brave soldiers fighting and dying against the terrorists in Iraq and Iran, but they are also FURTHER undermining the efforts of law abiding empire residents in their pursuit of peace and economic gain.
There is no room for your September01 in our EVE, take it to OOP or sthu. (Yes a US citizen, i have that right)
Catch the bullet or carry the gun The choice is yours [REMOVED IMAGE] |
Dau Imperius
Amarr
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 04:07:00 -
[44]
You know I'm just wondering if the OP posted something like this on the Hello Kitty forums, instead saying the opposite: Hello Kitty has become a happy, and fair game, and it is only a matter of time before everyone quits playing...
|
Bethani Storm
Caldari
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 04:08:00 -
[45]
tl;dr
Can I have your stuff? (Do you get a swamp club from a troll I wonder?)
|
Stephannus Calimben
mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 04:20:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Ghreymar LaNayeur
also fix the damned forums, i'm sick of having to log in four times to post a thread
this
|
Marcus TheMartin
Gallente Deadly Addiction Un-Natural Selection
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 04:28:00 -
[47]
the troll gave himself away when he only mentioned corps that forum ***** (I would know)
|
Hippy Dave
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 04:31:00 -
[48]
Stop posting here OP is an obvious troll... whole thread is a waste of my eyes
|
Marcus TheMartin
Gallente Deadly Addiction Un-Natural Selection
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 05:03:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Hippy Dave Stop posting here OP is an obvious troll... whole thread is a waste of my eyes
apparently your eyes aren't that valuable since you replied
|
emepror
Gallente Fusion Enterprises Ltd Mostly Harmless
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 05:12:00 -
[50]
i had this really good rant but it got deleted, BUT you dont even deserve it because your such a noob, however im discusted how you can class 9/11 with a stupid litte attack on a buch of ships in a computer game, 3000 americans and dozens of other nationalities DIED in those attacks, how does a game get anywhere close to that?!?!?!?!?!?!
|
|
Voku
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 05:51:00 -
[51]
I don't plan on quitting... The game is perfectly fine. Please find something else to complain about.
|
Hippy Dave
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 06:00:00 -
[52]
Edited by: Hippy Dave on 05/03/2008 06:00:30
Originally by: emepror i had this really good rant but it got deleted, BUT you dont even deserve it because your such a noob, however im discusted how you can class 9/11 with a stupid litte attack on a buch of ships in a computer game, 3000 americans and dozens of other nationalities DIED in those attacks, how does a game get anywhere close to that?!?!?!?!?!?!
OP IS A TROLL He did this to garner replies like yours - DONT FEED TROLLS THEY JUST GET FAT
Originally by: Marcus TheMartin apparently your eyes aren't that valuable since you replied
Im a sucker for punishment
|
Siddy
Minmatar Evolution Band of Brothers
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 06:13:00 -
[53]
Edited by: Siddy on 05/03/2008 06:14:57 I was just a boy when the infidels came to my roid blet in their Black ops cruisers. The infidels fired at the roid fields and they lit up like the eyes of Allah. Burning veldespar rained down from the sky and cooked everything it touched. I could only hide myself and cry as my barges were consumed by the fiery, black ore of death. In the midst of the chaos, I could swear that I heard my mining barges screaming for help. As quickly as they had come, the infidels were gone. It was on that day I put a jihad on them! And if you don't believe it, then you better kill me now,
because I'll put a jihad on you too.
/thread
|
Blank Protection
Caldari Caldari Provisions
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 06:26:00 -
[54]
Tbh you will not see in youre life that everybody quits playing Eve. Its the best and just tbh again the number 1 MMPO game there is. But beside that i wasnt planning to play Eve till i drop dead on the floor at a very old age. Have a lot to do more with my life actually.
And i still like to play BF 1942 and Vietnam a lot. At least im almost always ****ing in my pants from laughting during that game. I never ever did that with Eve tbh.
|
Tripido Fury
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 06:34:00 -
[55]
Edited by: Tripido Fury on 05/03/2008 06:35:36 Edited by: Tripido Fury on 05/03/2008 06:35:08 Edited by: Tripido Fury on 05/03/2008 06:34:53
Originally by: Ghreymar LaNayeur
our demands are: -eliminate heavy interdictors! they are a dirge on those of us who choose to travel through lowsec shortcuts and signal that we do not wish to engage in pvp by outfitting warpcore stabilizers
-stop empire ganking! it is harmful to economic development, and is quite frankly very wrong and unjust
-stop threatening to move missions to lowsec! it is already hard enough for us to run lvl 4s (which have been overdue to become more profitable in quite some time!) and any more difficulty will result in masses of empire missioners leaving the game alltogether
-give us more toys to play with! we consist of the majority of eve players, yet all new content is geared towards the small minority who choose to follow the narrow profession of combat pilots"
Ok. First off.
- HIC's and being caught in low sec. It's LOW SECURITY. Dont' go there if you don't want to engage in combat.
- Empire ganking. I agree to a point. The punishment for ganking in empire needs more teeth. What those teeth are, I don't know, but they need more. Maybe revoke insurance for a ship lost while in combat with another player.
- Moveing Missions to low sec. I also agree this is something that Should not be done. I would just make missions in lowsec/0.0 be a LOT more lucrative. Then those who with to take the risk, also gain more for said risk.
- What toys? They just released a whole new level of production(invention), a whole new class of Battleships designed specifically for mission running. Eve is a PVP game first. NOT an economic simulator.
Please get this through your head.
EVE IS PVP.
Combat pvp. Maket pvp. Sov pvp. Forum pvp. Mineing pvp. Production PVP. Invention PVP.
Every part of this game is PLAYER vs PLAYER. PVP is NOT just combat. PVP is everything you do in this game that can be ranked againt other players, where one player competes against another in ANY way in this game.
You want a way to avoid most of these issues.
Move to a 0.0 alliance. You'll find better mining, better missions(in the areas with missions) better ratting, Production that is more challengeing and becuase of said challenge, more fullfilling when you accomplish it.
Do you realise that most 0.0 regions are safer to mine/rat/mission run in then highsec! In 0.0 alliance's, you have people adviseing you of hostiles inbound. You have folks willing to band together with you to drive them out. You have people willing to work with you as a team.
All of this is a reason to move to a 0.0 alliance. So what if you have to learn to pvp. I hate mining, but I do it for my corp/alliance. I hate production, but I trained it for my corp/alliance.
If all you want to do is "Carebear", join a 0.0 alliance, and do the little pvp that is required to sa***uard your home in 0.0, and you'll find you are happier, enjoy the game more BECAUSE of the greater challenge.
Is EVE perfect, no. Is WOW perfect? HELL no. No MMO is perfect. They all appeal to different people. Learn to enjoy the game you have, make suggestions(Good detailed ones that are not flame bait) and give them to CCP in the proper forum section, and you will be surpised how many good suggestions will be looked into by CCP.
|
Vasile Ion
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 06:50:00 -
[56]
Dude it's some sort of goon alt troll, stop feeding it.
|
Zerena Draco
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 07:04:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Larg Kellein Edited by: Larg Kellein on 05/03/2008 01:37:19
Originally by: Lirt Edited by: Lirt on 05/03/2008 01:22:09
Quote: ...wait does that mean you agree with the OP? I'd keep that fact to yourself if I were you
Im not saying i agree with op, im saying that this guy tries to say something that bothers him, he writes down a whole text and some people answer to him "you are troll stfu". So who is the troll again?
You did spot the linking to Hello Kitty Online, right? It couldn't be more obvious trolling if he wore a giant, purple sign saying "here be trolls, repent now" while singing a song about happy little trolls and their friends defending their swamp against an evil prince.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
Learn the definition of a word before trashing it around like garbage ><
The only thing in his post that truly is irrelevant in this case is his jibberish about jihad 11th of september etc...
The other points is his perspective on the game, I dont agree with it but I wont tell him to STFU either.
Ps. one thing I do agree with him, but dont have a solution to is the suicidal thing = Risk vs Reward. Suiciding highsec missioners is always low risk with high reward = bad balance.
|
Franga
NQX Innovations
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 07:07:00 -
[58]
I have many leather-bound books and my furniture is made of rich mahogany.
Originally by: Rachel Vend ... with 100% reliability in most cases ...
General Aesthetics Changes Thread |
Thorek Ironbrow
Ironbrow Industries Co. Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 07:10:00 -
[59]
Edited by: Thorek Ironbrow on 05/03/2008 07:09:57 I scorn you and I'm not even going to read it after looking at the URLs to those links. They're all crap compared to EVE. Now ]WAR] is going to be good. _____________________________ Thorek Ironbrow of Ironbrow Industries Co. Part of the Empire Research Alliance Look us up in Nomaa or Itamo to join! |
Thorek Ironbrow
Ironbrow Industries Co. Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 07:14:00 -
[60]
Okay I did read it. But I don't agree.
EVE is good the way it is. _____________________________ Thorek Ironbrow of Ironbrow Industries Co. Part of the Empire Research Alliance Look us up in Nomaa or Itamo to join! |
|
techzer0
IDLE GUNS
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 07:22:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Marcus TheMartin the troll gave himself away when he only mentioned corps that forum ***** (I would know)
He still failed
I lol'd the people that have been caught so far though ------------
Originally by: CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster
|
Shanur
Minmatar Republic Military School
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 09:13:00 -
[62]
Originally by: The Herrick Tarminic...is that you?
This. |
Weeaboot
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 09:34:00 -
[63]
Meh, 3/10. Would not rage again.
|
Brother Welcome
Amarr Icarus' Wings Brutally Clever Empire
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 10:05:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Cailais Is it CCPs ineptitude? Or is it in fact that given a sandbox within which to mold a society that very society turns against itself?
Perhaps EVE reflects the darker nature of the human psyche than many would care to admit? Instead they turn to CCP to apply blame.
Its a cruel universe, and disturbingly attractive for that very reason.
The thing is, CCP have not created an unbiased sandbox in which human nature can express itself. Eve promotes ganking, plain and simple.
It does so through the balance of fonts and sinks, and the arrangement of snares, weapons, and movement (space). The OP gives the example of the Heavy Interdictor, but that is just one example: in truth the system is designed to provoke combat, and for combatants to diligently seek unequal battles. There is no notion of economy of force, and only a very weak notion of the operational costs that constrain real world militants. In a very real sense, Concord preserves turmoil.
These things aren't intrinsic, natural, features of real life: they are artificial features of Eve. In the real world, most human effort is cooperative and non-violent. Around 80% (source Gat, OUP).
As it happens, I play Eve for the simulated battle. However, I would enjoy Eve more if the rules encouraged equal battles. They could easily do that, and in my view the CCP design team needs to develop along those lines.
-vk
|
Cpt Branko
Surge. Night's Dawn
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 11:00:00 -
[65]
People, obvious troll is obvious.
Originally by: Larg Kellein
You did spot the linking to Hello Kitty Online, right? It couldn't be more obvious trolling if he wore a giant, purple sign saying "here be trolls, repent now" while singing a song about happy little trolls and their friends defending their swamp against an evil prince.
Hillarious and correct ;) Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |
UGWidowmaker
Caldari Setenta Corp
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 11:14:00 -
[66]
i disagree on everything BUT the high sec ganking ( empire ) something should be doen there... maybe fix it so insurance isent paid if u suicide... that way it would defintly take more for a person if he went kamikaze.. WICH still should be posible.. OMFG
I am the widowmaker stay tuned.
|
Elis Verone
Minmatar Republic Military School
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 11:17:00 -
[67]
Good going goons.... hell i love the work you guys do for eve... u show it to its fullest potentiel... the same way other great corps/alliances did before you, bob/m0o etc....
so keep it going... next targets freigters ??? please let it be so... they are so BIG UGLY and slow they just sit there and BEG for a blow...
|
Mc Fraser
Eve Defence Force Insurgency
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 11:36:00 -
[68]
:(
hello kitty link was a huge give away. I do not press links anymore before checking url first. i am surprised there was not a rick roll in there
|
lolsup
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 11:37:00 -
[69]
The OP is so cool. Do you want to be my friend?
|
Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 11:41:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Brother Welcome
Originally by: Cailais Is it CCPs ineptitude? Or is it in fact that given a sandbox within which to mold a society that very society turns against itself?
Perhaps EVE reflects the darker nature of the human psyche than many would care to admit? Instead they turn to CCP to apply blame.
Its a cruel universe, and disturbingly attractive for that very reason.
The thing is, CCP have not created an unbiased sandbox in which human nature can express itself. Eve promotes ganking, plain and simple.
It does so through the balance of fonts and sinks, and the arrangement of snares, weapons, and movement (space). The OP gives the example of the Heavy Interdictor, but that is just one example: in truth the system is designed to provoke combat, and for combatants to diligently seek unequal battles. There is no notion of economy of force, and only a very weak notion of the operational costs that constrain real world militants. In a very real sense, Concord preserves turmoil.
These things aren't intrinsic, natural, features of real life: they are artificial features of Eve. In the real world, most human effort is cooperative and non-violent. Around 80% (source Gat, OUP).
As it happens, I play Eve for the simulated battle. However, I would enjoy Eve more if the rules encouraged equal battles. They could easily do that, and in my view the CCP design team needs to develop along those lines.
-vk
If you can come up with some credible mechanics that discourage blobbing then by all means let's hear them. They're gonna have to be pretty good to make 50 ships > 250 ships though.
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
|
Darth Schweinebacke
Caldari Art of War
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 11:44:00 -
[71]
Edited by: Darth Schweinebacke on 05/03/2008 11:44:35 Also please punish the whiners who keep trolling the forums, just because the rules in the game are not as they want them to be. If you do not like eve as it is, why don¦t you just quit it? Eve is what it allways was and allways will be and a huge amount of players (by far more than you are obviously thinking), are playing eve primary to enjoy the pvp part, especially every long time player keeps playing eve, because of the pvp we can find here. If eve would not be what it is, i would not be playing it for more than 4 years already and the same counts for the majority of pilots i know in eve.
|
Jack Jombardo
Amarr
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 11:49:00 -
[72]
Edited by: Jack Jombardo on 05/03/2008 11:51:08
Originally by: Darth Schweinebacke Also please punish the whiners who keep trolling the forums
And the whiners that troll around calling other to be whiners ;).
PS: some of you ask why nobody went to low/00? Scamming, Rookie "farming" and other mini-Rambo-behaviors are the reson for it. YOU are the point why noone like to travel there!
|
Zaqar
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 11:50:00 -
[73]
...
|
Grytok
moon7empler Ev0ke
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 11:59:00 -
[74]
Carebear much?
All your linked games do not provide unconsentual PvP, but unconsentual PvP is the reason for thousands in here to play this game, rather then Hello Kitty Online.
EvE is as close as it can get to the real world, when it comes to all the "bad" things that happen and I like it that way. .
|
Viktor Speranza
White Wolf Enterprises Harmonious Ascent
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 12:40:00 -
[75]
I can't tell whats funnier, the fact that this is just Viral Marketing or that he referenced small chimp, a well known forum troll.
|
Lil'Red Ridin'Hood
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 12:40:00 -
[76]
... aaaand still more biting.
I always knew there are many stupid people on these forums (and I include myself in their ranks), but that many kinda surprises me.
|
Zaerlorth Maelkor
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 12:44:00 -
[77]
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
==================================================
I should really get a sig. |
Vymorna Grom
Caldari
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 12:56:00 -
[78]
Edited by: Vymorna Grom on 05/03/2008 12:58:48 I honestly thought, upon reading the title in the forum list, that it was a fun bit of sarcasm.
Sadly, but not surprisingly, it was not.
EVE Online is a monumental achievement. No holds barred, survival of the fittest. That's why CCP gets my $$. It's that great differentiation that CCP has achieved.
People who can't cut it should simply leave.
|
Ethidium Bromide
ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS Curatores Veritatis Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 13:08:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Ghreymar LaNayeur OP
well most of the reasons you gave here why eve is wrong in your opinion are the reasons i still play the game...
of you are free to express your feelings and i accept that, for myself i can only say that i see it pretty much the other way round and falling victim to a gank now and again keeps you on your toes and alert imo.
heavy dictors are high powered but not overpowered, think about ways to counter their strengths other than just fitting WCS, keep your adaptibility up.
EVE is an evolving game and every so often you will have to evolve as well or quit.
either way, good luck out there be it EVE or any other mmorpg.
Originally by: George Petsch Nochricht: Dei schwarer StroinlSser trifftn Karli[Baatzis] und ruiniert erm so richtig de Dosn, 1343.7 schhodn, oida.
|
M'buku
Minmatar Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 13:29:00 -
[80]
Yes EVE is cruel and unfair. That's the way it's meant to be, and I for one wouldn't have it any other way.
I can recommend a game more to your tastes if you like.
http://www.hellokittyonline.com/us/
|
|
Adonis 4174
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 13:33:00 -
[81]
I quit WoW because it is cuddly and fair. ---- Anything less is wasted effort |
Admrl Cain
Caldari State War Academy
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 13:35:00 -
[82]
You wanna know why wow is better? Because wow is made for children with children in mind completely. The game is based on a system of cry less, win more. That's BS. I'd rather play a game that takes skill AND risk. You don't like our game,leave. Immediately. ----------------------------------------
Admiral Cain. Yep, that's right.. mmhmmm |
Lil'Red Ridin'Hood
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 13:37:00 -
[83]
Official bite count: 21
Bump for some more.
|
Tissa
Minmatar Alice in Wonderland Derek Knows Us
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 13:41:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Cipher7
It took me 3 months to get into my first cruiser, I worked my @ss off to get that ship, now its like "hey I've been playing 2 days which cruiser should I get."
I am assuming you are a old character, if you are then I suspect your memory is playing tricks on you. Remember back then you had to ninja mine the minerals and the cruiser BPOS would have been worth a billion in todays isk making them the equivalent of a carrier today :)
No wonder you're late. Why, this watch is exactly two days slow.
|
Emily Spankratchet
Minmatar Pragmatics
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 13:54:00 -
[85]
Originally by: M'buku I can recommend a game more to your tastes if you like.
http://www.hellokittyonline.com/us/
Uh, you do realise that obvious troll linked to Hello Kitty Online in the OP?
Anyway, it was far to well-written to be a serious post. Genuine whines come as a poorly spelled, ungrammatical, paragraphless wall of text.
|
Roy Gordon
Caldari Caldari Advanced Response Division G Thanks Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 13:56:00 -
[86]
IÆm responding to the OP in the belief, perhaps mistaken, that they are being serious, so forgive me if this is just one big wind up. Anyway, have you never read a SF book, watched a SF TV series or film, played an SF based table-top game, played a SF based computer game etc? In every single non æHardÆ science based piece of SF you will find the scenario Eve presents us with. Star Wars is full of space pirates, who even go deep into Empire space to do their pirating, this situation is the same in Star Trek where there are still asteroid pirates in the Sol system. Firefly and the follow on film æSerenityÆ is very reminiscent of Eve with its cruel and heartless space environment filled with those who are only too ready to whiff you out of existence. Never read any of E.E. æDocÆ SmithÆs books? Or any of the more modern authorÆs? Again, they are full of the very things Eve does. DonÆt complain about a game that tries its utmost to duplicate the very genre that most of us enjoy reading, watching or playing.
That which does not kill us makes us stronger. The Universe is ruled by three basic principles- Matter, Energy and Enlightened Self-Interest! |
Lorieen
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 14:09:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Mc Fraser :(
hello kitty link was a huge give away. I do not press links anymore before checking url first. i am surprised there was not a rick roll in there
I wish there would have been a rick roll link in that post.... that song is the best. /emote dance
|
Watain
Caldari Challenger Logistics Corporation Phalanx Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 15:02:00 -
[88]
w -----------
|
Ssoraszh Tzarszh
Minmatar The Royal Engineers Free Trade and Industries Coalition
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 15:34:00 -
[89]
Haha, awsome post
|
Lil'Red Ridin'Hood
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 17:54:00 -
[90]
Updated official bite count: 24
Keep it coming.
|
|
Fey'Nar
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 18:11:00 -
[91]
It's a trap. A Goon trap to get more attention on them. |
Mordred Ottomo
Terran Resurrection
|
Posted - 2008.03.05 18:18:00 -
[92]
The sarcasm is strong in this one. I want to go fishing with the OP, he keeps getting bites.
|
|
|
|
Pages: 1 2 3 4 :: [one page] |