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Wrayeth
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.03.05 13:39:00 -
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Edited by: Wrayeth on 05/03/2008 13:40:58
So I was just sitting in station checking mail before work when a lone hostile appears in system. I checked the intel channel as I open up my hangar to select a combat ship, and discover he's reported in an ishtar, almost certainly nanoed. At this point I decided I might as well just stay in dock, since none of my ships (bar my anti-nano tempest, which is still down south) can take a nano ishtar 1-v-1, and I have no interest in nanoing, myself. I've even got a rapier, but it'll just cap out from MWDing long before the ishtar dies, then take a load of heavy or medium tech II drones right in the face and die horribly. As a result, I just reported the hostile's current location in the intel channel and logged off to go get ready for work.
This has been happening more and more frequently of late. I find that I just can't be bothered to undock much anymore, as the current playstyle required by EVE's mechanics doesn't suit me. I don't like to blob and I don't enjoy flying nanos, so there's little left for me to do but sit in dock. I'd hoped the boost patch would do something about that, but it seems there will be no adjustments to reduce the overpowered status of nano setups and lack of counters available to normal ships, and no mechanics changes to promote smaller gang combat.
So, with all of that, is there any hope? Has anyone heard about any changes coming down the pipe that might make the game fun again for an older player who feels like the mechanics of EVE have passed him by?
P.S. No, you cannot have my stuff.
-Wrayeth
n00b Extraordinaire
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AndrewRyan
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Posted - 2008.03.05 13:45:00 -
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 Originally by: Wrayeth
no mechanics changes to promote smaller gang combat.
Nano gangs are probably the only way for small roaming gang pvp in 0.0 if that's taken away it could just end up with heavily tanked BS and BCs slugging it out.
And no I don't fly a nano HAC but I have fought them and its fun and much better than laggy blob fests.
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Serathii
Simtech Productions
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.05 13:47:00 -
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yeah, nanos are annoying, but there are already alot of people working on nerfing nanos
these are the players, ive seen(heard from mostly) a lot of anti-nano setups fail, and some succeed, its only a matter of time before they manage to integrate thier anti-nano set up with say, thier ratting setup
untill then, you could buy a small frig and go solo roaming, relive the time you were still in a frigate
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Wrayeth
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.03.05 14:07:00 -
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Right now the only effective counter for nanos that can be used by normal ships is a heavy neut, and command ships and the like can't fit them. Even some BS can't fit them without gimping themselves due to being an 8-turret ship (maelstrom, abaddon, hyperion, apoc). Moreover, nano speeds are such that even if you do get a heavy neut on the target, his inertia/remaining MWD time will carrying him out of range.
As for flying a frig and reliving the good ol' days, my first PvP ship was a raven, and I've spent most of my EVE career specializing in heavy ships. Those were what I flew back then and what I'd still be flying now if they were still viable for general use. I was never more happy than when flying my tempest (now sadly underpowered as far as BS go) or machariel in solo and small gang combat.
-Wrayeth
n00b Extraordinaire
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Kale Kold
Caldari
V i r u s
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Posted - 2008.03.05 14:47:00 -
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Edited by: Kale Kold on 05/03/2008 14:47:03
Originally by: Wrayeth
Moan... blah blah blah
I though Morsus was supposed to be tough? Why dont you gang up with your alliance m8s? Thats why your in an alliance for after all! 
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Maulith
V i r u s
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Posted - 2008.03.05 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Wrayeth
I find that I just can't be bothered to undock much anymore,
I bet your fellow corp mates are proud of you.
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Kale Kold
Caldari
V i r u s
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Posted - 2008.03.05 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Wrayeth
Edited by: Wrayeth on 05/03/2008 13:40:58I checked the intel channel as I open up my hangar to select a combat ship, and discover he's reported in an ishtar, almost certainly nanoed. At this point I decided I might as well just stay in dock, since none of my ships (bar my anti-nano tempest, which is still down south) can take a nano ishtar 1-v-1, and I have no interest in nanoing, myself.
This is so much fail it beggars belief!
1). Get a alt with a passive targeter and ship scanner.
2). Scan and get proper intel.
3). Fit this.
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Xtreem
Gallente
Knockaround Guys Inc.
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Posted - 2008.03.05 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Maulith
Originally by: Wrayeth
I find that I just can't be bothered to undock much anymore,
I bet your fellow corp mates are proud of you.
not at all, iv known alot of high up allaince people to damn right ignore nanogangs, just give the stay docked command as its just too much effort to kill nanos gangs, if ur lucky u will get one down before the rest have vanished
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Maulith
V i r u s
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Posted - 2008.03.05 15:02:00 -
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Or even better u should try the "not bother logging in command"
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Bohoba
Caldari
dragons nest
imPure.
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Posted - 2008.03.05 15:31:00 -
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Edited by: Bohoba on 05/03/2008 15:32:14
I feel ya m8 nano not for me while RL work pulled me out of my rolls in the alliance and gave up my corp, now that things are settling down at work. I ask myself why go back to all that lag and all the nanos running around, as a 4 year vet it is getting harder to log on everyday the game is getting boring with the lag and nanos
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2008.03.05 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Wrayeth
Right now the only effective counter for nanos that can be used by normal ships is a heavy neut, and command ships and the like can't fit them.
Go and read some of the other nano whine threads. There must be pages and pages of antin nano tactics and fittings. You somehow failed to see any of them.
Your apathy is nothing to do with nanos. Stay docked why don't you.
What happened to Morsus Mihi recruitment screening
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Wrayeth
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.03.05 15:46:00 -
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Edited by: Wrayeth on 05/03/2008 15:46:40
Originally by: Kale Kold
I though Morsus was supposed to be tough? Why dont you gang up with your alliance m8s? Thats why your in an alliance for after all!
Why should anyone have to gang up just to take down one lone ishtar? It's a broken mechanic.
Originally by: "Arrogant Ass"
I bet your fellow corp mates are proud of you.
And I bet your parents are proud of having raised a total ass.
Originally by: "Total Noob"
This is so much fail it beggars belief! You wasn't even sure that he was nano'ed! lol!
1). Get a alt with a passive targeter and ship scanner.
2). Scan and get proper intel.
3). Fit this.
You do know that stasis webifier range is only 10km, right, or 13km overloaded? And that any intelligent nano-ishtar pilot will orbit at least 20km away? You fail at basic understanding of EVE mechanics.
In regards to not being sure if he was nanoed, without an effective counter available, engaging him would've been stupid. Sure, if he'd had a generic setup I could've waxed him, but had he been a nano setup I would've risked losing my ship stupidly. I don't mind losing ships, but I refuse to lose one to stupidity.
-Wrayeth
n00b Extraordinaire
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Wrayeth
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.03.05 15:49:00 -
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Edited by: Wrayeth on 05/03/2008 15:50:56
Originally by: Lady Karma
Go and read some of the other nano whine threads. There must be pages and pages of antin nano tactics and fittings. You somehow failed to see any of them.
Idiot. Most of those require multiple ships or nanoing, yourself. You fail at reading. Huginn/Rapier 1-v-1 vs. ishtar? They'll get eaten by the ishtar's drones before they can kill it.
-Wrayeth
n00b Extraordinaire
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2008.03.05 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Xtreem
iv known alot of high up allaince people to damn right ignore nanogangs, just give the stay docked command as its just too much effort to kill nanos gangs, if ur lucky u will get one down before the rest have vanished
Too much effort, poor you. Best just wait till the bad guys go away.
Its pretty funny how many bad pilots it takes before they will undock to fight a roaming gang.
You can take 5 man gang into alliance system, kill 2 npcrs who were not looking at intel, then go ratting yourself while 30 stay docked.
When the number rises to about 40 plus carriers, you then get the lemming spawn at the station. Around 5 drakes usually (npc fitted of course) 4 ravens, and assorted T1 cruisers...exatly the sort of ships that are completely useless at shooting speed ships  All undocking in a blob with no plan no clue and no leader.
Then you can pick a few of them off, before they dock again to write a complaint about nanos on the forums.
The problem is not nanos...the problem is with lazy people like the op. They spent too long farming belts with npc fits to ever bother adapting.
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2008.03.05 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Wrayeth
Idiot. Most of those require multiple ships or nanoing, yourself. Huginn/Rapier 1-v-1 vs. ishtar? They'll get eaten by the ishtar's drones before they can kill it.
You are quite clearly the idiot here.
It is your fault you neither have the brains or skill to be able to undock and fight a nano ishtar.
And Shiva as well....disgrace
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Wrayeth
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.03.05 15:53:00 -
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Edited by: Wrayeth on 05/03/2008 15:54:15
Originally by: Lady Karma
You are quite clearly the idiot here.
It is your fault you neither have the brains or skill to be able to undock and fight a nano ishtar.
And Shiva as well....disgrace
Clearly...because you haven't offered a single method to defeat it. You refer to "threads with many tactics to kill a nano-ship 1-v-1" yet fail to reference even one of them. All of you nano *****s always refer to these mythical posts, but I've yet to see a single one of you actually list a tactic or link to a post that has a *viable* solution.
Now either get out of my thread, alt of someone who's too scared to post with his main, or post a real solution.
-Wrayeth
n00b Extraordinaire
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Barzam
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Posted - 2008.03.05 15:55:00 -
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Double-web Huginn?
Sentry drones?
Neuts?
Thinking out of the box?
sigh..
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Kale Kold
Caldari
V i r u s
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Posted - 2008.03.05 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: Wrayeth
You fail at basic understanding of EVE mechanics.
m'kay, thats why your members littered our killboard when we was in Jan/Nalvula. 
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Maulith
V i r u s
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Posted - 2008.03.05 16:24:00 -
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hahahahahahahahahah yes they did ;]
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