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Garrulous
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Posted - 2008.03.06 17:49:00 -
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I've heard you can buy in game time with ISK, about 150mil. So now wondering, in the trial, how possible is to make that much, and whats the best way to do it?
Activity isn't an issue for me, its game knowledge, I have none of it :P I've been out doing my lvl1 missions, but its too slow and i'll never make it at this rate.
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RaTTuS
BIG Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2008.03.06 17:51:00 -
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salvage Angel wrecks for parts - you may make it .. but 2 weeks... probably not right from teh off -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve & Portrait Server
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Letouk Mernel
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Posted - 2008.03.06 18:16:00 -
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I'd say that it's impossible with "standard" methods. The problem is that the skills you have don't allow you to fly the bigger ships required for the higher level misions, or the high volume mining or trading ops. And, trading requires money to make money.
That means the only possibilities are trying to scam someone out of that much money, corp hangar theft, "donations", wreck theft and hoping you score, suicide ganking and hoping you score big, and other things like that.
I know, play a game and not have to pay for it, sounds very enticing, but the truth is it's almost impossible when you start out. You just don't have the skills to fly the advanced ships, don't have the faction required for high level missions, don't have the capital required for trade, etc.
However, if you do decide to pay for a few months, say 3-4 months, by that time it should be possible to get the ships required and enough cash for investing that you could do it from then on, without scamming, theft, etc.
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Kaladr
Amarr No Quarter. Vae Victis.
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Posted - 2008.03.06 18:31:00 -
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As others have said, this is hard to do at first. Rather hard. Its in no way impossible. To do it via normal mission/mining/ratting grinding would require a lot of time - remember many of your initial gains will have to be spent on new ships and skills.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.03.06 19:30:00 -
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Scam.
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mothermoon2
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Posted - 2008.03.06 20:02:00 -
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make a 14 day trial, try to make isk and learn the game. then go make a steam account and get 21 days, then it might be possible.
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Helen Hunts
Gallente Red Dragon Mining inc Red Dragon Industries
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Posted - 2008.03.07 03:10:00 -
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Without scamming, it is possible to make that kind of money. Unfortunatly, it requires pretty much every waking hour devoted to grinding for money. (Mining or missions, take your pick)
If you go the scam route....well, you might need a little seed money to start, but a good scam artist can bring down some major cash. Unfortunatly, scam artists have this habit of drawing down heavy weapons fire on occasion.
If you absolutly *must* scam, try to come up with something a little more imaginative than "Every isk you send me, I send 10x back". _______________________________
Mine da rocks, make more ships. Pop da rats, make more rigs. Sell da gear, make more money.
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Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.03.07 03:15:00 -
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I've been to Jita a few times where local chat was filled with the lamentations of some idiot who fell for the 10x ISK scam, but probably not for 150 million ISK. So if you want that much ISK from this you'll have to count on a bunch of idiots falling for it, which you may not get over the short time you have in the trial.
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Sephra Star
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Posted - 2008.03.07 03:45:00 -
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Edited by: Sephra Star on 07/03/2008 03:52:46
Originally by: mothermoon2 make a 14 day trial, try to make isk and learn the game. then go make a steam account and get 21 days, then it might be possible.
Definately possible actually as I did just that and then some within that time period.
The big problem you have though is the amount of time you have to invest in it.
I basicly played the game like a full time job to do it.
I'm a two month old billionaire now. It is not easy, but it is doable.
The first 50 million is the hardest. After that it gets steadily easier.
Market Trading and Missions w/salvaging.
Early on I was gifted with a 5 million ISK loan to buy my Tractor Beams though. That helped a whole lot.
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Goose726
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Posted - 2008.03.07 04:27:00 -
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Providing services might be a viable option to you as well. Maybe act as cleanup crew for a few dedicated mission runners? The only problem I see in that is the size of your cargo space. Then again you could pick and choose what items to grab from the wrecks. I have heard of people acting as cleanup crews for an level 3 or 4 mission and giving the runner a 10% cut. You might give them 25% instead though. Like I said though your cargo space wonĘt allow you to take everything in one run but there is nothing to say you canĘt keep going back in to get the rest.
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Master Entreri
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.03.07 04:31:00 -
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I personally think, scamming aside, that trade would be the best bet. Yes it does take some money to start but if you have the market gene then you can make good money and you could possibly make it.
Honestly I dont know if you could make 150 but you might make a good chunk. Anyway, my 2 cents. :-)
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jcoutepascher
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.04.12 06:21:00 -
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i dont know how u guys do it im a month old char & still havnt seen the collor of 50mil isk (actualy im gona give trading a shot with a Gallente Trade char ) i basicaly whant to see if i can push that envelope a bit
i defenitly heard stories but i have yet to pay my gametime in isk (tho this isnt rly a priority for me as i accept the fee of playing)
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Tzar'rim
Reckless Corsairs
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Posted - 2008.04.12 07:00:00 -
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Edited by: Tzar''rim on 12/04/2008 07:00:40 Imo, if you're new into the game and your first priority is to make enough isk to then spend it all (leaving you broke) on paying for the account I don't think you'll have much fun in the game.
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Cipher7
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.04.12 08:28:00 -
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If you had every waking hour devoted to Eve you could prolly pull it off.
Courier missions.
Find a NPC corp that has alot of distribution agents (try Expert Shipping or Transstellar Shipping)
Do those till your eyes bleed.
They don't pay particularly well, but they have a very easy equipment requirement, some of em you can do in a shuttle, most of em you can do in a frigate.
So you can grind em to the level 4's and eventually be making 2-3 mil an hour.
150/3=50 hours, that's 1 week playing 8-10 hours a day.
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Spud Gunn
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Posted - 2008.04.12 08:40:00 -
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As people have said, it's technically possible, but I really wouldn't reccomend it. If you just play normally, by the end of your first paid month you'll probably be on the verge of being self-sufficient in terms of isk-for-GTCs anyway. Trying to grind out cash at low skill levels is extremely tedious and a great way of sapping any fun out of the game. But after a month you can be flying a battlecruiser semi-competently and making a big chunk of cash from L3 missions (or other activities at a similar level), and after another month or so you could be doing L4 missions and never really worrying about ISK again.
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Boz Well
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Posted - 2008.04.12 09:33:00 -
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Definitely do not go into trading. Stick with mission whoring and salvaging for sure!
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Aneas King
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Posted - 2008.04.12 19:40:00 -
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lol, or you could just buy the damn game. It's 20 bucks for the first month, and I'm pretty sure you can't pay your way through that in the first place. If your budget seriously can't afford 20 bucks for this game, and another 10 bucks a month for a while, than you shouldn't be playing games.
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Shandelzare
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Posted - 2008.04.12 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: Aneas King lol, or you could just buy the damn game. It's 20 bucks for the first month, and I'm pretty sure you can't pay your way through that in the first place. If your budget seriously can't afford 20 bucks for this game, and another 10 bucks a month for a while, than you shouldn't be playing games.
You can use ETC for initial account activation aswell, I just made myself another account couple days ago and activated it with ETC bought with isk.
But on the subject of new player activating his account in the 14 or 21 day trial period, it will be hard, as level 1 and 2 missions don't have that high income rate, and mining in small ships ain't that profitable either. Your best bet though will probably be missions and salvaging if you can.
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Joe Starbreaker
Starbreaker Spaceways
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Posted - 2008.04.12 22:03:00 -
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I think my salvage ninja work averages 5-10 million ISK per hour, and that's me doing it solo just for fun. A serious team of 3-4 people could make more than that per person.
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Boaz Netopalis
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.04.13 02:43:00 -
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I started on 3-20-08 so I've now... 23 days old, you could say.
I did the tutorial missions and they put me in a Condor right off the bat from a mission reward. Doing more missions and looking at the ships on the market, I wanted a missile boat so I bought a Kestrel. and then the next mission gave me one. Oops. Even so, I just sold the 2nd chassis, since I didn't need it.
Blah blah and so on and I decided to get destroyer skill before cruisers. I had plenty of cash from running the Level 1 missions and being sure to loot the wrecks to buy a destroyer once the skill trained. My fittings were crap, but sufficient for Level 1. Trained salvage and started getting more money from that. Trained cruisers so I could get in a Caracal and started running Level 2 once I had that. Turned my destroyer into a dedicated salvager.
By the time my fitting skills were moderate and I'd trained battlecruiser this past Tuesday I had about 40 million in the bank so.... yeah, I didn't make all that much in the 1st 2 weeks. But since getting my Drake and running Level 3 missions, um. . wow. I've made about 200 million isk on level 3 missions since then, and my corpmates tell me level 4 is 2-3x as lucrative as level 3. I'll find out eventually, but I still have a lot of skills to train before I think about moving up to a battleship or trying to take a level 4 in a Drake (though I've read here on the boards that it's possible).
And yeah, this is straight solo mission running. No trading, manufacturing, scamming, or any of the other "get rich quick" things I hear are done. Of course, I've been "resting" this past week for a bad back, so I've had a lot more computer time than normal too, and doubt I'd make that much on my regular schedule.
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Khoa
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Posted - 2008.04.13 03:09:00 -
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Join a rookie-friendly corp and get REALLY friendly with 'em (i.e. you might have to strip if you're a looker)...
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Marc Helier
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Posted - 2008.04.13 12:04:00 -
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The quickest and dullest way to make a lot of cash is start as a miner. Use the racial mining frigate and train for an Industrial asap. Amarr have the best 1 point industrials, and the best mining frigate, but no where to go from there. Choose a quick start or a long haul. Do combat missions until you get a good mission belt, then mine it for up to a week before turning the mission in, rinse and repeat.
When you have the mining frigate and an Industrial you will make about 750 k - 1 million isk/hour, providing you take the time and effort to understand the market and don't just blindly mine and sell anything that you find. On the first day jetcanning and training you'll make enough to fit your frigate with T2 mining lasers and your Industrial with T2 cargo expanders. 1.5 - 2 million isk/hour.
Meanwhile, train the skills for a mining barge. When you get into a Retriever you should be making 4-5 million isk/hour. Assuming you're not one of those people that never moves more than five jumps from their starting hub, and assuming 5 mil an hour and 150 mil GTCs (I thought they were around 160-180?), it requires 30 hours of mining mission belts (100% can flipper free) to buy a 90 day GTC.
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Dosgar
Caldari Bring Out Ya Dead
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Posted - 2008.04.13 16:02:00 -
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I found a cosmic anomaly in a high sec system recently that only required me to kill about 6 rats. The final rat dropped a T2 implant that I sold for 120mil.
It's a real long shot (don't expect to get lucky straight away, if at all) but you might find something
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Mara Rinn
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.04.14 02:57:00 -
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Edited by: Mara Rinn on 14/04/2008 03:02:23 I haven't paid real money yet.
First month: hung out with friends in the NPC corp running level 4 mission and used capacitor transfer to boost their active tank, used my small artillery to shoot the frigates that their cruise missiles couldn't scratch.
Second month: more of the same, along with a few mining operations in my newly acquired mining cruiser.
Third month: again, hanging out with friend running level 4 missions.
The key for me was being friendly, being helpful, and training up a couple of niche skills which helped other people get stuff done that they wanted to do but weren't quite trained or equipped for. In other words - putting the "multiplayer" in to "MMOG" :)
This month is going to be my hardest yet - those friends who were happy to have me along so they could complete the level 4 missions at all are now soloing those missions. So I'm off soloing level 3 missions in my battlecruiser, and trying to figure out what skills I need to train in order to move into level 4s with my wingman.
In the meantime, I'm praying for my level 3 agent to send 15 "Blockade" or "Gone Berserk" missions my way.
edit: for those who are confused about prices, 150M ISK is the rock-bottom for 30 day GTC at this time - they sell within minutes at that price since people looking for GTC at that price will be refreshing the Bazaar forum continuously. At 170M ISK you'll take a day or two to sell a 30 day GTC. I saw one sale of 30 x 30 day cards at 150M ISK which sold all 30 within an hour. That post then disappeared.
edit2: It is not possible to over-emphasis how important Salvaging was to my ISK-acquiring. For a level 3 mission such as Blockade, you'll get 300k ISK for completion, 300k ISK for early completion bonus, and about 10-20M ISK from salvage.
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Dingi223
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Posted - 2008.04.14 04:28:00 -
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2 weeks may be a little rushed to 150 million, I hit 200 million in a month then took a pause and started missioning. The problem is making the starting capital, then you can get stuck into trade and get some exponential growth. It probably took me 3 hours a night, 4 days a week, to clock 200 million in trading with zero missioning (I dedicated my first 2 months to learning skills).
I was thinking of buying GTCs, but then I realised the time investment in game (even at 12 hours a week) just to keep playing the game wasn't worth the $15 to me. 12 hours of real work will get me about 50x that.
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Vele Nori
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.04.14 09:51:00 -
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I give iskies to noobs who pop up around jita space and make a cute face and story about why they need ISK. Granted if such a noob was to make 30 characters and pop up in local 30 times he could get 150 in sum from me. Earning this kind of money requires you to play with people by either helping them do something, blowing them up, scamming or begging, and scamming is limited on trial. Playing vs environment you're not going to make this kind of money as others have noted you're too low in skills and resources. May be through exploration but that is chance based, you do need some skill to do it so you can't start on it day one, and in high sec valuable items drop only rarely.
You can definitely make money using two trial accounts. Just pass money in a way of stuff between your two characters in a can for example anchored in space.
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Dotard
Minmatar Eternal Guardians Corp. The Covenant Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.14 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: Marc Helier .... mining mission belts (100% can flipper free) to buy a 90 day GTC.
Not true. I am a mission invader. I go for the salvages and when I see a jetcan mission belt miner, guess what I do? Yup, you guessed it. Most the time I don't "flip" the can, I bookmark it, return in my hauler and scoop the whole damn contents.
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Dosgar
Caldari Bring Out Ya Dead
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Posted - 2008.04.14 11:44:00 -
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If you're good with graphic design and such like you could offer to make custom-made forum signatures for people. These tend to be around 100mil each, depending on how good they are. Or how about web-design if you're good at that... etc
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2008.04.14 23:37:00 -
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Originally by: Letouk Mernel I'd say that it's impossible with "standard" methods. The problem is that the skills you have don't allow you to fly the bigger ships required for the higher level misions, or the high volume mining or trading ops. And, trading requires money to make money.
Starting with 1 million and a trading alt, I managed to get a net worth of about 200 million after two weeks of trading - and when I started I was not an experienced trader at all. Just need to pick a system with a good population, do a little research, be willing to spend some time hauling (yeah, could contract that out, but it costs money!) and let the money flow in. I'm not trading 24/7 either, and I'm not even in a major hub.
Of course, the key word there is "net worth". About half was in buy orders, the other half in sell orders, so in reality I had about 100 million tied up in items and only 100 million left for liquid capital. Not quite enough for a 30 day GTC, but close.
Now, after six weeks, my net worth is about 650 million, with anywhere from 150-400 million in buy orders at any given time.
No, I'm not in Jita.
Chirp!
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Spud Gunn
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Posted - 2008.04.15 05:30:00 -
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Originally by: Andrea Griffin Just need to pick a system with a good population, do a little research, be willing to spend some time hauling (yeah, could contract that out, but it costs money!) and let the money flow in.
Unfortunately you can neither train for haulers nor make contracts on a trial account, making any serious volumes of trading a very tedious proposition.
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