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Cassandra Wolf
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Posted - 2008.03.08 06:55:00 -
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Edited by: Cassandra Wolf on 08/03/2008 07:00:15 Hi,
i was a happy eve player until a few days ago, i flew missions in hisec, did some mining, helped other corp members out... that changed now... but no you canŠt have my stuff.
The thing is we are a pure freelancer hisec corp, we donŠt do anything bad to anyone, most of us run missions, some are traders or miners, we have a very low tax rate, hardly enough on the wallet to pay the office rents.. and most of us are new to the game or do not have money, cause it all goes in the fitting of our missionrunning ships.. and now a corp wardecced us..
so the thing is we really love eve.. we have fun playing it.. in PvE and economy ways.. now we are forced in a pvp situation, some of us tried fighting, some of us were caught and had no other chance.. all in all we lost 2 BCs, 1 BS, 2 COS, 1 Mining Barge (nearly everything one of our new guys had), 1 Frig and did not kill anything..
the enemy corp is skilled and organized.. does "exploit" in every way (the BS i by myself lost was only lost cause i could not fire my smartbombs because some alts of the enemy corp in state war academy surrounded me)
Now the thing is: They are overpowered in skill, equipment, numbers and knowledge
So what can we do? We even thought about going in a NPC corp, but we want to be in the same corp, we are friends of each other and we cant even leave Station to get money to pay the obvious ransom of 500m they want to end the war.. and who knows that they really end war after paying? maybe the think each month: "oh, we need a new capital ship, let us milk the cowards"
Help and advice needed :/
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Oh and please excuse me, i am no native English speaker
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Edit, and please donŠt do any "yarr, die!!!" post or some other bs.. i know the boards are even worse in niveau than the ingame chats... but maybe someone helpful is found here too
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OzakiFragments
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.03.08 07:00:00 -
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I dont know what it takes to make a corp, like how much it'll cost. But if the cost to make a new corp is cheaper than your losses than you might want to look into that. Just jump corps, but I'm not sure how fast you can do that.
Maybe you can look for a good alliance? Hire some merc corp to war dec them. Dunno, if it really comes down to it, go to a npc corp =/
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Cassandra Wolf
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Posted - 2008.03.08 07:02:00 -
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We thought about that too.. but they know our names.. so if they are bored we must hop corp every 24 hours if they wardec us again?
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Flamewave
Crimson Moon Society
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Posted - 2008.03.08 07:06:00 -
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Originally by: Cassandra Wolf We thought about that too.. but they know our names.. so if they are bored we must hop corp every 24 hours if they wardec us again?
And then they petition you. Not a smart move.
Best you can do is negotiate with them if they haven't already named a price, and if they have you can always try to haggle. Most of the time when this happens the corps who refuse to pay lose more in ships than they would have had to pay to get the dec dropped to begin with. __________
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OzakiFragments
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.03.08 07:06:00 -
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Then they would be griefing in some case I hope. I'm not too familiar with the rules but in EVE basically a griefer can grief forever. But maybe petition will solve things, even it might be pointless. You could try to move to a new region or ask some people who have decency to join your corp and turn the tides. Then again, if all else fails, just go to an NPC corp and used your buddy list. It's better than being scrapped or fearing you're gonna be popped everytime you undock.
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Cassandra Wolf
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Posted - 2008.03.08 07:10:00 -
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Edited by: Cassandra Wolf on 08/03/2008 07:13:16 Yeah.. sounds dumb.. but since i lost my dominix, eve is a very expensive irc client with ship on a station as background
Edited by: Cassandra Wolf on 08/03/2008 07:12:50
Originally by: Flamewave
Originally by: Cassandra Wolf We thought about that too.. but they know our names.. so if they are bored we must hop corp every 24 hours if they wardec us again?
And then they petition you. Not a smart move.
Best you can do is negotiate with them if they haven't already named a price, and if they have you can always try to haggle. Most of the time when this happens the corps who refuse to pay lose more in ships than they would have had to pay to get the dec dropped to begin with.
And from where do we know that they stop doing this after we pay? or do they wardec us every time they need money?
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Cassandra Wolf
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Posted - 2008.03.08 07:12:00 -
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Edited by: Cassandra Wolf on 08/03/2008 07:13:38 Edited by: Cassandra Wolf on 08/03/2008 07:13:08 Oh.. sorry for double post :/ kinda new to the boards in active means
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Flamewave
Crimson Moon Society
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Posted - 2008.03.08 07:15:00 -
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If they don't honor the ransom, name and shame on the forums.
Alternatively, find a corp that isn't filled with what amounts to fresh bait. There's plenty of experienced corps out there who not only take in newbies who are willing to learn, but are actually populated by people who are experienced in the game and can teach you the ropes. __________
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Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.03.08 07:20:00 -
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If unbalanced PvP is griefing in Eve I'll eat my own head tbh.
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Quelque Chose
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.03.08 07:20:00 -
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It sounds to me like the only thing you guys are getting out of being in a corp is hanging out together. IMO what you should do is drop to your respective NPC corps and create a private ingame chat channel; if you do that the only things you lose are the corp hangar (which is just a theft magnet anyway), the (negligible) tax and certain flagging benefits that it doesn't sound like you're making use of anyway.
Do that for a while and then later when you've got more experience if you feel the need for the corporate structure try it again. ______________________________
"Eve Online is a massively multiplayer game about trolling in outer space." |
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Cassandra Wolf
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Posted - 2008.03.08 07:23:00 -
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Edited by: Cassandra Wolf on 08/03/2008 07:24:05 But running missions from different corps kinda sucks, you cant loot from each other without problems.. and if you shoot a wreck of another guy by mistake, you get pwned by concord :D and i know this happens sometimes.. read it here in the boards :X
Originally by: Dirk Magnum If unbalanced PvP is griefing in Eve I'll eat my own head tbh.
Yeah.. whatever :/
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Nasta443
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Posted - 2008.03.08 07:27:00 -
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you fail as a corp; you neither have the pew pew in you nor want to pay some mercs to entertain the wardecers.
guess what happens when you dont build your defenses? you die.
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Cassandra Wolf
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Posted - 2008.03.08 07:32:00 -
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I am impressed.. this thread was ok for 32 minutes before comments like that came.. must be boardrecord..
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ZerKar
Caldari Zen'Tar
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Posted - 2008.03.08 07:32:00 -
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Edited by: ZerKar on 08/03/2008 07:34:20 As for the "is it griefing" question, even if it is it does not matter because it is allowed in EvE. In that line of thinking a petition would just waste time so just forget it. The best thing to do, if you cannot stand to just wait and see how long they will tollerate war deccing a Corp that never undocks or provides targets, is to use one of your free pilot alts and make him/her a CEO by creation and stick them in your Corp. Have that person become the leader and then all of you leave the Corp. Just stay in an NPC Corp until the War Deccers finally decide to give it up and then join back up. In the meantime create a private channel to chat in and you really will not have lost much. +++++++++++++++ For the LAST time...
Keep your UGLY Typhoon off my SEXY Hurricane |
Cassandra Wolf
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Posted - 2008.03.08 07:36:00 -
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Ok.. i will suggest that to my leader
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Quelque Chose
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.03.08 07:36:00 -
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Originally by: Cassandra Wolf Edited by: Cassandra Wolf on 08/03/2008 07:26:24 Edited by: Cassandra Wolf on 08/03/2008 07:24:05 But running missions from different corps kinda sucks, you cant loot from each other without problems.. and if you shoot a wreck of another guy by mistake, you get pwned by concord :D and i know this happens sometimes.. read it here in the boards :X
The wreck shooting thing I don't know... never shot a wreck tbh. :p
As for looting cans, if you all set eachother to +10 personal standings you can take stuff from each other all day long and never get flagged. That's what I did with my hauler alt who is still in the NPC corp; no problemo. ______________________________
"Eve Online is a massively multiplayer game about trolling in outer space." |
Cassandra Wolf
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Posted - 2008.03.08 07:38:00 -
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Coooool, didnt know that, excellent :) Thank you
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85 Echo
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Posted - 2008.03.08 07:49:00 -
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Edited by: 85 Echo on 08/03/2008 07:50:57 If you step up, you can beat them. This may be your first dec, but it probably won't be your last. Believe it or not, this is normal. That said, here are your options:
- Join a really big alliance and have them protect you. - Give up - Fight (you can win)
You have been wardecced for easy kills and possibly easy isk. If you decide to go with option 3, you need to win by taking that away from them. Here are some tips if you go with option 3.
1) FLY WHAT YOU CAN AFFORD TO LOSE. This might mean T1 fitted caracals, so be it. Fit them with rat loot if you have to. Keep that battleship docked up. You can lose 4 ships to your enemy's one. Their ships are much, much more expensive then yours.
2) Teamwork, teamwork, teamwork. Get ventrillo or teamspeak, and share intel, don't get caught alone.
3) Fit your ships with an eye to point 2. Don't fit for solo pvp, fit to mob your enemy with numbers. You don't ALL need web and scram, so that means somebody can fly a griffin, or better, a blackbird. Pro Tip: A griffin with racial jammers can jam a battleship, sometimes more then once! They might outnumber you sometimes, but they don't outnumber you all the time.
4) Get some help. Recruit a pvper or two to help the rest of you out. Preferably someone who Isn't a spy.
5) The last part of point 4 is really important
6) Stop logging off, they'll get bored of station camping you faster when you aren't there, and when numbers are on your side, undock and strike.
7) You win by making them miserable and costing them isk. Not by giving them good fights, and definitely not by feeding them command ships.
8) Consider mercs
Theres a lot more you need to learn before you can win, but you'll learn that on the way. I hope the above is helpful. Especially the last part of point 4.
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Agil TradeAlt
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Posted - 2008.03.08 07:53:00 -
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Edited by: Agil TradeAlt on 08/03/2008 07:53:43 Well, whatever is happening in the past is exactly that. For the future new corps need to learn to operate as a corporation so that they can build a mutal defence. By that I mean have large amounts of spare ships and isk in corp wallet so if a war happens, and one will, then your guys dont go bust after loosing a mining barge or whatever.
it the same problem all over eve. Corps working as groups of individuals insted of working like a corp. All you can do now is wait till they get bored. Or merge into a new corp as long as oyu dont corp hop. You can also join alliances but again alliance hopping is not allowed.
Lots of newer merc corps do free jobs etc to build up rep, so perhaps a new merc corp can help you. Just ask around for mercs
Originally by: CCP kieron ISK buying is a major contributor to the inflation in EVE's economy.
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Attonasi
Dragons Of Redemption Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.08 07:56:00 -
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Make a corp chat channel and after you are all in channel set all standings to +10 to each other like the above poster suggested. You can tractor cans of gang members that are on the same grid or in the same system as you. With +10 standings you will not flag. Not sure if that helps for tractoring. Just dont shoot cans in high sec, it is guarenteed to end up badly at some point.
I know why people suggest to pay the ransom but screw that. They are using game mechanics against you, you have game mechanics you can use against them. Don't ever surrender.
I would also recommend bramching out and trying all aspects of eve. Increase your circle of friends and support and try pvp. T1 cruisers are the best place to start. Then you will understand what they are doing to you and know how to defend yourselves. I hate forums
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Stakhanov
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.03.08 07:57:00 -
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Originally by: ZerKar Edited by: ZerKar on 08/03/2008 07:34:20 As for the "is it griefing" question, even if it is it does not matter because it is allowed in EvE. In that line of thinking a petition would just waste time so just forget it. The best thing to do, if you cannot stand to just wait and see how long they will tollerate war deccing a Corp that never undocks or provides targets, is to use one of your free pilot alts and make him/her a CEO by creation and stick them in your Corp. Have that person become the leader and then all of you leave the Corp. Just stay in an NPC Corp until the War Deccers finally decide to give it up and then join back up. In the meantime create a private channel to chat in and you really will not have lost much.
Petitionable behavior also.
If you cannot afford to pay the ransom they are trying to extort , try to convince them you need more time to gather it. Maybe they'll drop the dec if you promise them to pay after a week. There is no shame in paying when you're hopelessly outmatched. If they're professional pirates , they will prefer waiting for the ransom to looting junk from your wrecks.
Originally by: CCP Mitnal Hi, my name's Mitnal and I'm addicted to locking threads
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Cassandra Wolf
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Posted - 2008.03.08 08:01:00 -
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Originally by: 85 Echo Edited by: 85 Echo on 08/03/2008 07:50:57 If you step up, you can beat them. This may be your first dec, but it probably won't be your last. Believe it or not, this is normal. That said, here are your options:
- Join a really big alliance and have them protect you. - Give up - Fight (you can win)
You have been wardecced for easy kills and possibly easy isk. If you decide to go with option 3, you need to win by taking that away from them. Here are some tips if you go with option 3.
1) FLY WHAT YOU CAN AFFORD TO LOSE. This might mean T1 fitted caracals, so be it. Fit them with rat loot if you have to. Keep that battleship docked up. You can lose 4 ships to your enemy's one. Their ships are much, much more expensive then yours.
2) Teamwork, teamwork, teamwork. Get ventrillo or teamspeak, and share intel, don't get caught alone.
3) Fit your ships with an eye to point 2. Don't fit for solo pvp, fit to mob your enemy with numbers. You don't ALL need web and scram, so that means somebody can fly a griffin, or better, a blackbird. Pro Tip: A griffin with racial jammers can jam a battleship, sometimes more then once! They might outnumber you sometimes, but they don't outnumber you all the time.
4) Get some help. Recruit a pvper or two to help the rest of you out. Preferably someone who Isn't a spy.
5) The last part of point 4 is really important
6) Stop logging off, they'll get bored of station camping you faster when you aren't there, and when numbers are on your side, undock and strike.
7) You win by making them miserable and costing them isk. Not by giving them good fights, and definitely not by feeding them command ships.
8) Consider mercs
Theres a lot more you need to learn before you can win, but you'll learn that on the way. I hope the above is helpful. Especially the last part of point 4.
To 1: But they fly Vagas and stuff :/ Cant do **** against them.. we have no huginns or other vagas.. or EW-Frigs or other PvP ships trained x_X To 2: We have TS.. the two astarte where lost cause they did not warp exactly at the same time... overpowered enemies as a said. To 3: Look at 1. To 4 and 5: No problem, we recruit only germans and they are US/UK (not cause we are racist but because some of us dont speak english) To 6: I undocked with my dominix fit to "defeat" the nanohac as it was alone (just wanted its cap to drain so it runs, that our nubs can undock and flee) .. it didnt took them more than a minute to be more than 3... they are camping our station where we are with npc-corp alts :/ To 7: Yeah.. agress :( To 8: Is that worth anything? Dont know.. if the enemy corp pays mre than we.. do they change sides or is there anything like honor with mercs? :/
Will try to learn and adept
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Kyoto Luyi
MX3 Development Zzz
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Posted - 2008.03.08 08:22:00 -
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Empire wars are pretty pathetic at the best of times and corps who dec easy targets are just in it for the epeenage on their killboard to pretend that they can actually PvP.
Just leave the corp, set eachother to high standings, make the private chat channel, form fleets with eachother and ignore them until they get bored with paying the war fees each week.
No point fighting back against them because they're so lame they'll just set up log-in traps, jump-in traps, etc. to make sure they maintain the required 5 v 1 odds against you.
Weaklings who can't stand a fair fight always dec targets they're sure they'll beat. Unfortunately, this is encouraged in Eve. -- The views or opinions I express are solely my own and do not reflect those of my Corporation or Alliance.. Oh, and I'm NOT allowed in CAOD either :) |
Xyn Rhais
Minmatar Tessaract
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Posted - 2008.03.08 08:23:00 -
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Seems to me that you can: - file a petition if you think they're using NPC corp alts in combat to avoid your war rights. Sounds exploity but hard to prove. - disband for now (my advice) - pay up - hire someone to fight for you - continue on in cheap ships until they get bored. Cheap means no command ships and barges etc.. while you're at war. Just premium insured t1.
The ships you lost already add up to their ransom demands.
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Jaco Matari
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.03.08 08:24:00 -
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Have you tried talking to them to see what they want? I assume it's isk and if its worth it to you to get this over with pay it. If you loved the way things were before this then you should try and get things back the way they were.
If their demands are unreasonable then maybe look into hiring mercs. Most of the more established merc corps wouldn't risk future contracts by double crossing you here, it's bad business.
If you wanna try more of a self help approach might wanna try this guy, seems like what he wants to do is up your alley. I met him once and he seemed trustworthy, kept his word and his cool when I totally screwed things up in combat while in a two person gang with him.
Linkage
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Cassandra Wolf
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Posted - 2008.03.08 08:29:00 -
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Originally by: Xyn Rhais The ships you lost already add up to their ransom demands.
I know.. but we are human.. no normal human sells ships he owns worth half a bil to pay a ransom instead of using the ships..
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Naqam
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Posted - 2008.03.08 08:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kyoto Luyi Empire wars are pretty pathetic at the best of times and corps who dec easy targets are just in it for the epeenage on their killboard to pretend that they can actually PvP.
Just leave the corp, set eachother to high standings, make the private chat channel, form fleets with eachother and ignore them until they get bored with paying the war fees each week.
No point fighting back against them because they're so lame they'll just set up log-in traps, jump-in traps, etc. to make sure they maintain the required 5 v 1 odds against you.
Weaklings who can't stand a fair fight always dec targets they're sure they'll beat. Unfortunately, this is encouraged in Eve.
quoted for many truths. ...
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente Deadly Addiction Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.03.08 08:42:00 -
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Originally by: Flamewave
Originally by: Cassandra Wolf We thought about that too.. but they know our names.. so if they are bored we must hop corp every 24 hours if they wardec us again?
And then they petition you. Not a smart move.
Convienient Reformatting of Corporation Syndrome is legal
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Naqam
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Posted - 2008.03.08 09:02:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
Originally by: Kyoto Luyi Empire wars are pretty pathetic at the best of times and corps who dec easy targets are just in it for the epeenage on their killboard to pretend that they can actually PvP.
Just leave the corp, set eachother to high standings, make the private chat channel, form fleets with eachother and ignore them until they get bored with paying the war fees each week.
No point fighting back against them because they're so lame they'll just set up log-in traps, jump-in traps, etc. to make sure they maintain the required 5 v 1 odds against you.
Weaklings who can't stand a fair fight always dec targets they're sure they'll beat. Unfortunately, this is encouraged in Eve.
quoted for many truths.
A truth based on bitter assumptions is not a truth
perhaps not, but It's still one of the better courses of actions the corp in question could do, however carebearish. ...
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Lurd
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Posted - 2008.03.08 09:05:00 -
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You could always move to another region
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