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Xaen
Caldari
Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.03.11 17:38:00 -
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Spoken word is a terrible way to disseminate information to a bunch of people. Especially when it's full of intricate details, statistics, or figures that have more use than emotional impact.
Some reasons to stick with text:
Miscommunication
Try running a pronunciation checker on your stream of meat-encoded sounds. Alternatively, try running a spellchecker on your text.
Time
Saves time for both the presenter and the reader. Nearly everyone can read much faster than you can talk, so it wastes a lot of time. Not to mention dead air where nothing is said. Pauses required due to the requirements of communicating via spoken word. Time spent downloading is also a factor.
Accessibility
Not everyone can listen to a lengthy audio track. Everyone who can access the site can access the text. Problems introduced by flash plugins, media players, and large downloads are all avoided by using plain old text. Try googling "library of congress" and see how many times it's used as a measure for being able to fit a large amount of information on some media or other. Note how it's always assumed to be text? The audio version would be unmanagably huge and a poor repository of knowledge. If you don't think this is a factor, just wait for the clamor of posts asking for a transcript of the irritating blob of bytes that is your "podcast".
Organization
An audio presentation is a stream of words. It's very difficult to go back a part you heard previously in case you forgot it. There's a reason we still have books and not just audio formats. Even some of the best media players don't provide an easy way to seek to the previous sentence due to the vague analog nature of meat-encoding.
Searchability
Crap, what did he say that the armor resistances on that ship were going to be changed to? It think it was about a minute ago...no...was it two minutes ago? Due to the stream format there's no reliable way to quickly and easily search a body of meat-encoded knowledge. Try it with text, it's trivially easy.
In conclusion, please get off the bandwagon full of wannabe hipsters that are "veeblogging" or "podcasting". We grown ups use text.
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Xaen
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.03.11 17:38:00 -
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Spoken word is a terrible way to disseminate information to a bunch of people. Especially when it's full of intricate details, statistics, or figures that have more use than emotional impact.
Some reasons to stick with text:
Miscommunication
Try running a pronunciation checker on your stream of meat-encoded sounds. Alternatively, try running a spellchecker on your text.
Time
Saves time for both the presenter and the reader. Nearly everyone can read much faster than you can talk, so it wastes a lot of time. Not to mention dead air where nothing is said. Pauses required due to the requirements of communicating via spoken word. Time spent downloading is also a factor.
Accessibility
Not everyone can listen to a lengthy audio track. Everyone who can access the site can access the text. Problems introduced by flash plugins, media players, and large downloads are all avoided by using plain old text. Try googling "library of congress" and see how many times it's used as a measure for being able to fit a large amount of information on some media or other. Note how it's always assumed to be text? The audio version would be unmanagably huge and a poor repository of knowledge. If you don't think this is a factor, just wait for the clamor of posts asking for a transcript of the irritating blob of bytes that is your "podcast".
Organization
An audio presentation is a stream of words. It's very difficult to go back a part you heard previously in case you forgot it. There's a reason we still have books and not just audio formats. Even some of the best media players don't provide an easy way to seek to the previous sentence due to the vague analog nature of meat-encoding.
Searchability
Crap, what did he say that the armor resistances on that ship were going to be changed to? It think it was about a minute ago...no...was it two minutes ago? Due to the stream format there's no reliable way to quickly and easily search a body of meat-encoded knowledge. Try it with text, it's trivially easy.
In conclusion, please get off the bandwagon full of wannabe hipsters that are "veeblogging" or "podcasting". We grown ups use text.
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
The Last Stand
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Posted - 2008.03.11 17:41:00 -
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I think that the idea behind the live dev blogs is to offer a more interactive form of dev-blog by answering questions and generally trying to interact more with the playerbase, instead of the more one-way devblogs. Given that though, they really need to release a transcript as well.
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
The Last Stand
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Posted - 2008.03.11 17:41:00 -
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I think that the idea behind the live dev blogs is to offer a more interactive form of dev-blog by answering questions and generally trying to interact more with the playerbase, instead of the more one-way devblogs. Given that though, they really need to release a transcript as well.
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Tarminic - 33 Million SP in Forum Warfare
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Xaen
Caldari
Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.03.11 17:54:00 -
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 Originally by: Tarminic
I think that the idea behind the live dev blogs is to offer a more interactive form of dev-blog by answering questions and generally trying to interact more with the playerbase, instead of the more one-way devblogs. Given that though, they really need to release a transcript as well.
I'd be perfectly happy as long as there were meeting minutes or something.
I neither want, nor need a transcript per se.
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Xaen
Caldari
Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.03.11 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
I think that the idea behind the live dev blogs is to offer a more interactive form of dev-blog by answering questions and generally trying to interact more with the playerbase, instead of the more one-way devblogs. Given that though, they really need to release a transcript as well.
I'd be perfectly happy as long as there were meeting minutes or something.
I neither want, nor need a transcript per se.
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Alora Venoda
Caldari
GalTech
Giant Space Amoeba
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Posted - 2008.03.11 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Xaen
Spoken word is a terrible way to disseminate information to a bunch of people. Especially when it's full of intricate details, statistics, or figures that have more use than emotional impact.
Some reasons to stick with text:
Miscommunication
Try running a pronunciation checker on your stream of meat-encoded sounds. Alternatively, try running a spellchecker on your text.
Time
Saves time for both the presenter and the reader. Nearly everyone can read much faster than you can talk, so it wastes a lot of time. Not to mention dead air where nothing is said. Pauses required due to the requirements of communicating via spoken word. Time spent downloading is also a factor.
Accessibility
Not everyone can listen to a lengthy audio track. Everyone who can access the site can access the text. Problems introduced by flash plugins, media players, and large downloads are all avoided by using plain old text. Try googling "library of congress" and see how many times it's used as a measure for being able to fit a large amount of information on some media or other. Note how it's always assumed to be text? The audio version would be unmanagably huge and a poor repository of knowledge. If you don't think this is a factor, just wait for the clamor of posts asking for a transcript of the irritating blob of bytes that is your "podcast".
Organization
An audio presentation is a stream of words. It's very difficult to go back a part you heard previously in case you forgot it. There's a reason we still have books and not just audio formats. Even some of the best media players don't provide an easy way to seek to the previous sentence due to the vague analog nature of meat-encoding.
Searchability
Crap, what did he say that the armor resistances on that ship were going to be changed to? It think it was about a minute ago...no...was it two minutes ago? Due to the stream format there's no reliable way to quickly and easily search a body of meat-encoded knowledge. Try it with text, it's trivially easy.
In conclusion, please get off the bandwagon full of wannabe hipsters that are "veeblogging" or "podcasting". We grown ups use text.
LOL@ "meat-encoding"  makes you sound like some kind of robot....
YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED! RESISTANCE IS FUTILE!
reminds me of the robot from kights of the old republic that always called humans "meat bags".
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Victor Ivanov
Minmatar
The Fated
Odyssey.
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Posted - 2008.03.11 18:16:00 -
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Transcript yes please. Pretty pretttty please.
I don't have the time to listen to the podcasts, but I read rather quickly, so a transcript would be a godsend. I'll send cookies. <3
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Alexander Knott
Ars ex Discordia
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.11 20:52:00 -
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Yeah, I don't like the audio podcasts either. If you want to take questions from the playerbase, the Friday grab-bags from DAoC did the job much better.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.03.11 21:05:00 -
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No offense to the devs, but I really have trouble following what they are saying in their "audio devblogs", and it takes way too long to try and listen (and re-listen) to it only to get some minimal amount of information.
I'd much rather see written posts in the forum, or more written devblogs.
As for the "live devblogs", transcripts ASAP would be nice.
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2008.03.11 21:09:00 -
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Yes please for transcripts :)
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Khanid Kutie
I R Teh Poasting Alt Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.11 21:12:00 -
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ITT: Xaen whines incessantly about something....
Title of the thread should be "No more 'Xaen' ****poasting please!!!!"
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Tokena
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Posted - 2008.03.11 21:20:00 -
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So true. Just do the forum-post-for-questions and then have the devs answer them in text form. Please?
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Caligulus
Legion of Lost Souls
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Posted - 2008.03.11 21:23:00 -
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Well said Xaen. This was a horrible idea on the devs behalf. When the goal is to broaden and enhance communication to make key pieces of information readily available to players why all the extra hassle?
One of the major benefits about text is it doesn't carry with it your accents, mispronunciations and mumblings.
Audio broadcasts are incredibly inefficient in both delivery and production compared to a written document. I'll repeat this because it's really important. When the premise of the communication is to deliver clearly and concisely important information doing so in an inefficient and poorly produced fashion is extremely unprofessional.
Audio Dev Blogs are nothing less than irritating to the point that I can't be bothered to give them a second look.
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.03.11 21:29:00 -
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yes transcripts please.
I agree with everything that the OP has stated, in is first post.
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Del Narveux
Dukes of Hazard
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Posted - 2008.03.11 21:51:00 -
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Text is good, yes. Aside from the stuff OP mentioned, it also lets them show us actual stats and number-crunching, cant really easily do that with audio.
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Kruel
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.03.11 21:56:00 -
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Yes text plz. I have neither the time nor the will to listen to a 30 minute podcast when I can read something in 5 minutes.
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Xaen
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Posted - 2008.03.13 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: Treelox
yes transcripts please.
I agree with everything that the OP has stated, in is first post.
No transcripts!
I don't want to have to read their ramblings and misspeaking. I just want the relevant information without all the chaff.
I don't say this to insult, everyone misspeaks, but there's no reason it should be conveyed directly to the customer base. It's just unprofessional.
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Caligulus
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Posted - 2008.03.13 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: Xaen
Originally by: Treelox
yes transcripts please.
I agree with everything that the OP has stated, in is first post.
No transcripts!
I don't want to have to read their ramblings and misspeaking. I just want the relevant information without all the chaff.
I don't say this to insult, everyone misspeaks, but there's no reason it should be conveyed directly to the customer base. It's just unprofessional.
Agreed.
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Alz Shado
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Posted - 2008.03.13 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Alora Venoda
LOL@ "meat-encoding"
They're made out of MEAT?
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Burnharder
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Posted - 2008.03.13 20:17:00 -
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The voice chat is all "broken" for me. It makes my ears bleed.
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Pwett
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Posted - 2008.03.13 20:17:00 -
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/signed for all the deaf EVE players. (I'm not deaf, but they have no other options)
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Komen
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Posted - 2008.03.13 20:43:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
I think that the idea behind the live dev blogs is to offer a more interactive form of dev-blog by answering questions and generally trying to interact more with the playerbase, instead of the more one-way devblogs. Given that though, they really need to release a transcript as well.
The old fashioned, and text-based, version of this was IRC chats, which used to be done before Eve Voice.
The 'Live Dev Blogs' currently being used are a means of hyping Eve Voice, getting people to try it. Despite numerous improvements, it's still a voice chat that is tied to the Eve Client, and hence will never replace Ventrilo/Teamspeak across 100% of the userbase. Frankly I think it's a waste of effort and resources, and most notably irritating for these Live Dev Blogs which I have tried listening to several times, and always end up giving up in despair.
There still is no official transcript from the very first LDB, something that was promised to be available shortly after. Then again, this is CCP. I love this game, but the devs have a bad habit of not living up to what they promise.
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She Storm
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Posted - 2008.03.13 21:25:00 -
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lag so bad all i got to hear was " We will be starting in a minute.. then silence for the duration"
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Xaen
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Posted - 2008.03.13 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: She Storm
lag so bad all i got to hear was " We will be starting in a minute.. then silence for the duration"
That's cause it was conducted from here.
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