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Siigari Kitawa
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.03.14 20:58:00 -
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CCP, please please listen.
After posting in multiple GD threads and reading through the patch deployment thread I have come to the following conclusion:
You change things to keep them fresh for YOU, regardless of how that affects your playerbase.
I know changing things around is totally awesome, giving a new and fresh playground for us to use, but I am seriously begging you to not change things that have been in place since the game started.
Why?
Because forcing players to adapt is not cool. We shouldn't have to adapt to something that has become so autonomic that when it is gone we all have a case of "wtf?" The Alt key is a holy key that should be left alone, as it is really the ONLY tool that anyone trying to find something in space (which is very large) can do in ONE KEYSTROKE. ONE key. Not a series or combination of mouse movements and clicks, just your left hand gently pressing the Alt key and everything in the system pops up nice and bright.
Additionally, I don't know of many shortcuts that use the Alt key (other than midslots iirc) so please don't bring up that you are attempting to reduce lag. Client lag is and has always been something that we are responsible for, not you. When we press the alt key on our computer to access a local function it places no load on your server whatsoever.
So I propose you please do the following:
Give us the OPTION to use the old Alt key and maintain the new change for everyone else that chooses to use it. I don't care how you implement the ability for us to choose but please do it.
CCP you have to realize that to your customers, you are Gods. You have the ultimate power to change the game and make it into whatever you like. But with that power comes the realization that giving your players the ability to make decisions and choices for themselves is incredibly gratifying and rewarding to a player.
Having a fixed interface gives your players no ability to choose what they like. I am no doubt sure some players welcome the new change but others who are so used to pressing "alt" without even thinking would probably appreciate having that as an option to use.
Thanks.
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Fortune Mitford
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.03.14 22:00:00 -
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I am very much in agreement with siig on this perticular subject i have found my time of scanning a player down in a system has gone from just 30 seconds tops to nearly a minute while i appreciate this may not mean alot to you 30 seconds is a very long time in pvp. I have been playing eve for a year... on the 23rd *birthday yay* and non of the changes you have implemented... nerfs of ships modules etc have irritated me as much as this PLEASE PLEASE put it back.
Yours in anticipation of reading this thread Mit _______________________
I run on sugar nicotine and pvp...don't take away a part of my triangle... you wouldn't like me as a incomplete shape |
Typhado3
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium STELLAR LEGION
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Posted - 2008.03.15 00:12:00 -
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:O
.... this is first i heard of this, (also found it in game 5 seconds after reading this). now why did ccp do this?
/signed
ccp pls do something about minmatar ew. target painters suck and mauraders can use both our racial ew |
jade ronin
Appetite 4 Destruction INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.03.15 03:00:00 -
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im going to assume that this was a mistake. i would like to hear a responce from ccp regarding this. hopefully we can get this fix soon as it has made it impossible to use the directional scanner under 30 degree angle scan
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Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic
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Posted - 2008.03.15 05:39:00 -
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I fully support the requests to return the alt key to it's previous functionality.
It WAS NOT BROKEN.. it DID NOT NEED FIXING!.
~ Santiago Fahahrri Galactic Geographic |
Hertford
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.15 11:49:00 -
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Well said Siigari. |
Baron Serakh
Mork Incorporated FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2008.03.15 12:50:00 -
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Edited by: Baron Serakh on 15/03/2008 12:52:24
totally. gonna cut my left thumb off if you dont change it back as its the only other way I'll be able to remind myself.
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD Solidus Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.15 15:13:00 -
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btw: can eve distinguish between left and right ctrl? - putting the gist back into logistics |
Calacheng
Caldari Mercenary Legion
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Posted - 2008.03.15 17:33:00 -
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Please put the ALT key feature like it was before the patch
Thank you
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Mr GoodK4t
Slug Storm Squadron
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Posted - 2008.03.16 07:55:00 -
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Edited by: Mr GoodK4t on 16/03/2008 07:55:54 Well, for those of us who PvP, the "alt"key really was not available for creating short cuts with. Imagine accidentally pressing alt when there are hundreds of objects around you and you need to be activating those modules.
Never personally had any problems with it though
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Kagura Nikon
Infinity Enterprises Odyssey.
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Posted - 2008.03.16 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: Roemy Schneider btw: can eve distinguish between left and right ctrl?
Any system can, the question is just CCP wants to ? ------------------------------------------------- If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
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Hidden Path
LFC
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Posted - 2008.03.16 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: Mr GoodK4t Edited by: Mr GoodK4t on 16/03/2008 07:55:54 Well, for those of us who PvP, the "alt"key really was not available for creating short cuts with. Imagine accidentally pressing alt when there are hundreds of objects around you and you need to be activating those modules.
Never personally had any problems with it though
This is exactly the case why it got changed to be a CTRL|ALT + something toogle since it shakes up performance for anybody using any ALT+ combination if they didn't change it. (explanation here)
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Jesnen
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.16 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Hidden Path
Originally by: Mr GoodK4t Edited by: Mr GoodK4t on 16/03/2008 07:55:54 Well, for those of us who PvP, the "alt"key really was not available for creating short cuts with. Imagine accidentally pressing alt when there are hundreds of objects around you and you need to be activating those modules.
Never personally had any problems with it though
This is exactly the case why it got changed to be a CTRL|ALT + something toogle since it shakes up performance for anybody using any ALT+ combination if they didn't change it. (explanation here)
This is a lame reason and I would rather have an fps drop and be able to push alt still. Also is there any way to show moon icons in space now?
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Jordan Musgrat
Convergent Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2008.03.19 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: Hidden Path
Originally by: Mr GoodK4t Edited by: Mr GoodK4t on 16/03/2008 07:55:54 Well, for those of us who PvP, the "alt"key really was not available for creating short cuts with. Imagine accidentally pressing alt when there are hundreds of objects around you and you need to be activating those modules.
Never personally had any problems with it though
This is exactly the case why it got changed to be a CTRL|ALT + something toogle since it shakes up performance for anybody using any ALT+ combination if they didn't change it. (explanation here)
Brackets were an awesome idea. What's not so awesome is not having a quick way to toggle moons, planets, and belts in space. When I'm probing, I MUST be able to see where moons and planets and belts are in relation with each other, in space. Scanning basically got a huge nerf this patch, needs to get a boost now. -----------
Primary is family values, secondary is 0.0... |
Dianeces
Repo Industries R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.03.19 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa The holy Alt key.
Is that like the holy hand grenade of Antioch? I love that thing.
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Matrixcvd
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.19 21:30:00 -
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put the alt key back now please
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Vanessa Vale
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.03.19 22:53:00 -
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Or make alt-z behave like the alt key did. That is, show everything. As its shortcut description says.
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Baka Lakadaka
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.03.20 04:30:00 -
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I'd like to see my alt key functionality restored.
It used to be my favourite key and it's now feeling like a rejected puppy the day after the first child comes home from the birthing centre.
Cheers Baka ______________________ Isn't it time you learned to fight back? Agony Unleashed Home of the PvP University. |
Sanfrey Statolomy
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.03.21 04:30:00 -
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Someone give Baka back the Alt key please, he's becoming unlivable..
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lord cyrez
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Posted - 2008.03.21 10:12:00 -
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disappointingly i've noticed this change on the patch notes, but didnt test it yet, since my overview is utterly borked and resetting all the time... (like many other already complain about... logserver running. CCP may expect some GB of errorfiles, soonÖ)
BUT
ALT+Z is a totally ******** combination for german keyboard layouts*. as probably many of you not-german-beings also know, Y and Z are swapped on .de-keyboardlayouts. imagine the cripple hand move being needed to just to have a quick look at all objects in space
*assuming (couldnt test, see above) that using the english client does not automatically recognize a german user (by IP, OS or whatever) and virtually switches Y and Z.
any german user confirming this?
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M1AU
Rheintal Underground Rising
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Posted - 2008.03.21 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: lord cyrez disappointingly i've noticed this change on the patch notes, but didnt test it yet, since my overview is utterly borked and resetting all the time... (like many other already complain about... logserver running. CCP may expect some GB of errorfiles, soonÖ)
BUT
ALT+Z is a totally ******** combination for german keyboard layouts*. as probably many of you not-german-beings also know, Y and Z are swapped on .de-keyboardlayouts. imagine the cripple hand move being needed to just to have a quick look at all objects in space
*assuming (couldnt test, see above) that using the english client does not automatically recognize a german user (by IP, OS or whatever) and virtually switches Y and Z.
any german user confirming this?
I confirm this, it's really annoying on german keyboards.
Even though, I like the new behavior of the ALT-key. Now I'm able to use it as a real meta key for various default keyboard bindings. Befor the change, everytime I hit ALT the whole UI was stuck for about a second. Nevertheless I would like to see a better default key-binding besides ALT+Z.
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Matrixcvd
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Posted - 2008.03.21 15:10:00 -
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put it back
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Vanessa Vale
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Posted - 2008.03.21 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: lord cyrez
ALT+Z is a totally ******** combination for german keyboard layouts*. as probably many of you not-german-beings also know, Y and Z are swapped on .de-keyboardlayouts. imagine the cripple hand move being needed to just to have a quick look at all objects in space
You can redefine the key and in fact i have it to control z.
But what you cant do it make it so it shows the rest of the stuff that showend when you pressed alt an that it doesn't show now. That's what people should be complaninig about. Not about a default key binding.
Minmatar Boost Brigade |
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CCP Tuxford
C C P
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Posted - 2008.03.21 20:51:00 -
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Sorry guys, too lazy to clarify but bottomline is that we'll restore the old functionality or at least rework it to fit your needs.
Sorry for not elaborating more on it, got a headache _______________ |
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jade ronin
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Posted - 2008.03.21 21:06:00 -
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Thank you...
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Vaal Erit
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Posted - 2008.03.21 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Tuxford Sorry guys, too lazy to clarify but bottomline is that we'll restore the old functionality or at least rework it to fit your needs.
Sorry for not elaborating more on it, got a headache
All hail!
Put it in the next patch please.
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ElCoCo
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.22 01:05:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Tuxford Sorry guys, too lazy to clarify but bottomline is that we'll restore the old functionality or at least rework it to fit your needs.
Sorry for not elaborating more on it, got a headache
Ok, don't forget the overview/dronewindows/fleetcrap resetting positions around when undocking/joining fleets/switching ships! That and thy holy alt key issue might be the most frustrating bugged things in eve now Boink! |
Vanessa Vale
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.03.22 02:11:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Tuxford Sorry guys, too lazy to clarify but bottomline is that we'll restore the old functionality or at least rework it to fit your needs.
Sorry for not elaborating more on it, got a headache
Thank you, and thanks for posting.
Minmatar Boost Brigade |
Siigari Kitawa
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.03.22 02:52:00 -
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Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 22/03/2008 02:53:08
Originally by: CCP Tuxford Sorry guys, too lazy to clarify but bottomline is that we'll restore the old functionality or at least rework it to fit your needs.
Sorry for not elaborating more on it, got a headache
TUXFORD I LOVE YOU
by rework you mean you're going to let us press "alt" and it will pop up all the celestials like it used to work right
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Larg Kellein
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.03.22 04:17:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Tuxford Sorry guys, too lazy to clarify but bottomline is that we'll restore the old functionality or at least rework it to fit your needs.
Sorry for not elaborating more on it, got a headache
Woah, a Tux post... And with excellent news. Much appreciated, the church of the holy alt key will now commence the singing of the hymns.
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