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Zcorm Narwarr
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.18 13:32:00 -
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I thought everyone would know that after a big patch there will be problems in some form. Since all fixing will happen at downtime it should be easy to figure out that the downtime may be longer than usual. Not realizing this hints stupidy. Even if there has not been patches lately its risky to set skill training to end right after daily downtime.
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Viral Shadow
Wreckless Abandon
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.03.18 13:32:00 -
[122]
this reminds me once again not to let a skill finish in the first 2 hours after a dt since well this kinda
nonesense happens too often in the first 2 weeks after a big patch 
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CRUSH BOSS
BigMek Industries
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.18 13:33:00 -
[123]
Seen as im a grief lover.... ie - lover of Grief <-
I hope CCP delays the server boot for at least another... 6 weeks
Have a nive day.
We fight for the ONE - We die for the ONE
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Durzel
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.18 13:33:00 -
[124]
 Originally by: Talon Rising
I have been playing almost two months, and every single hotfix and patch is screwed up somehow by CCP for the stupidest reasons. In this case testers found a problem with the hotfix in what? 15 minutes? That's about how long the server was up. If they were able to find the problem that fast, why didn't they catch it on the test server? The hotfix was tested right?
In my experience, having worked as a software developer for 8 years when **** ups are this consistent the cause is almost always poor management. Whoever the person is who is managing developer resources, setting up processes, documenting procedures etc. needs to be replaced.
QFT
I don't normally ***** about stuff like this because I'm a software developer myself and "s**t happens", but for it to happen this consistently points to bad management to be honest.
I thought the whole point of a test server was to *test* these things? If people aren't using the test server properly (i.e. just want to test fancy ships) then wipe it, change it so the only things you can test are the things YOU want people to test, etc... it's not hard really.
It's ridiculous that a hotfix gets applied to a live environment apparently without any bug-testing at all. If it was obvious enough for QA to pick up on it why wasn't it discovered on the test server?
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Ishika
3MCI
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Posted - 2008.03.18 13:35:00 -
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Just give everyone "extended" game time as a good will gesture.
Think good costumer relations. The past week has be rediculous. Characters stuck, lag, extended downtimes, overview mess etc etc. Never mind this EULA nonsense we pay for a service and expect "some" issues but as paying costumers we derserve a better service than we are recieving at the moment.
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Thicky McThick
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.18 13:36:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Sifu Ufis
It's really frustrating to read about an unscheduled extended downtime, without any warning...
<----- Angry customer 
Then it would be a scheduled one .
Post with your Alt and not your Main,
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Maik002
SPANI
The Fifth Race
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Posted - 2008.03.18 13:36:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Ishika
Just give everyone "extended" game time as a good will gesture.
/Signed
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rhang
Pelennor Swarm
Scorched Earth.
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Posted - 2008.03.18 13:36:00 -
[128]
sry Durzel but the testserver was down for maintance, they needed to fix a few bugs, but currently useing TQ-server to fix the testserver problem.
So "no worries"
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Kaya Valda
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.18 13:38:00 -
[129]
Quote:
The EVE Information Portal would be used to provide an announcement for major patches or updates.
The Bulk Data changes today are relatively minor and would be deployed on a more regular basis than a major patch Smile
Navigator, Community Representative
EVE Online, CCP Games
Email/Netfang
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Guess you should have warned us about the 3 hour DT after all. Expect mass whining about lost training time.
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Ikonia
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.03.18 13:40:00 -
[130]
Like always, when i decide to leave a game, i start looking for alternatives. Still rumors about Dave Brabens Elite Online :) A pitty this guy didnt finish.
Anyone of ya ever played Elite, Elite 2K, Frontier?
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Fincea
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.03.18 13:40:00 -
[131]
whining/posting/stating any opinion isn't listen to anyway. Whats the use. They do nothing about it. Just have to grin and bare it.
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archangel1004
The Alien Antz
space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2008.03.18 13:41:00 -
[132]
nullnullSERVERS UP!1!!!!!1!1!11!!1!1!
...sic 
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Joe Greencourt
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.03.18 13:41:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Mallikanth
Normally I don't comment on such things as Extended DT or patches for previous patches etc but I suspect you are starting to alienate alot of players with this, how can I put it? Lack of foresight?
We've put up with a fair chunk of problems caused by patches and updates recently and this latest one just tops it all.
Be carefull CCP, more and more of your paying customers are taking notice. I would prefer to wait another week for a solid patch than have one apparently rushed out.
Lots of new players from your recent Steam promotion have seen nothing but problems so it appears from the forums.
I wish you guys at CCP all the best as you have a terrific game here but you need to pay more attention to QA.
Well put and agreed. Hardly the track record of people who are professional software devs. Will be curious to see if CCP publishes an apology and details for their conduct on this latest hotfix (definition of hotfix? must have changed since I last looked  ) |
Pasha Valoris
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.18 13:42:00 -
[134]
It's not the downtime as such .. it's the total inconsideration shown to paying customers that *****s me off.
This should have been announced yesterday preferably on the log-in screen. If they need the time fine .. but so do I .. if I'd known I could have done something useful with MY time.. 
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Murashu
Demise and Vestige
Black Flag Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.18 13:43:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Kaya Valda
Guess you should have warned us about the 3 hour DT after all. Expect mass whining about lost training time.
They could care less about lost training time. As long as they aren't losing subscribers they will continue with half-assed, untested patches without any notice.
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Cheyenne Shadowborn
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.03.18 13:44:00 -
[136]
Edited by: Cheyenne Shadowborn on 18/03/2008 13:44:41
I'm off to another game whose name I won't mention for fear of getting censored.
A multiplayer online RPG where streaming patches work seamless, where I never ran into a single game breaking bug so far and very few minor ones, where there is no daily downtime and only once in three years I tried to login while it was offlined for maintainance, and where there is no monthly fee.
Its my happy place 
I'll check back arround 1600 maybe.
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Kha'Vorn
We See Dead People
Visions of Warfare
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Posted - 2008.03.18 13:45:00 -
[137]
Originally by: Ikonia
Like always, when i decide to leave a game, i start looking for alternatives. Still rumors about Dave Brabens Elite Online :) A pitty this guy didnt finish.
Anyone of ya ever played Elite, Elite 2K, Frontier?
I played elite when younger, thats one reason I now play Eve...
Elite on a Acorn electron...Them were the days. I looked for ages for someone to design a game like elite on the PC......Then Came EVE!!!
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Luh Windan
Republic University
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Posted - 2008.03.18 13:45:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Durzel
I don't normally ***** about stuff like this because I'm a software developer myself and "s**t happens", but for it to happen this consistently points to bad management to be honest.
I thought the whole point of a test server was to *test* these things? If people aren't using the test server properly (i.e. just want to test fancy ships) then wipe it, change it so the only things you can test are the things YOU want people to test, etc... it's not hard really.
It's ridiculous that a hotfix gets applied to a live environment apparently without any bug-testing at all. If it was obvious enough for QA to pick up on it why wasn't it discovered on the test server?
Yep - having been doing this kind of job for over 18 years I have to agree. If my team were running into these kind of issues the alarm bells would be ringing. I would be making sure that processes and documentation and double checking are in place. If the test server does not catch these issues then there is something seriously wrong with it. It feels to me like they are still trying to live in the days of the developers run the show - I can tell you for free: customers + big distributed environments + no proper management do NOT mix. It might be really boring but the only way you can make a complex distributed environment work are with careful procedures that have to be followed. There certainly should be no "I'll just try this" or "it should work". Plus given we have had two roll backs (Sunday and today) that took a lot longer than expected I would be looking at having a mechanism with a hot backup of the DB that can be checkpointed so as to make the roll back easier - even if this scheme is only used post patch.
You *cannot* avoid issues with big distributed systems - they are *really* complex and unpredictable. Therefore you need to plan to cope efficiently with the inevitable issues. Out of interest - this is one of the things google has right with their systems and one reason why they are such an effective company.
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archangel1004
The Alien Antz
space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2008.03.18 13:45:00 -
[139]
1 minute warning..........
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Ikonia
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.03.18 13:46:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Fincea
whining/posting/stating any opinion isn't listen to anyway. Whats the use. They do nothing about it. Just have to grin and bare it.
At least they will loose some customers by end of payment period anyway. Maybe i will be back 2 month before the new expansion will be released hrhr. In common then everything runs and then the big change comes and servers are down about 60% of time like this days.
Should be at least one month with about only 30% server downtime.
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rhang
Pelennor Swarm
Scorched Earth.
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Posted - 2008.03.18 13:46:00 -
[141]
another fail..... way to go ccp
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Sleepkevert
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.18 13:47:00 -
[142]
Originally by: archangel1004
nullnullSERVERS UP!1!!!!!1!1!11!!1!1!
And only 8 minutes before my skill finishes 
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archangel1004
The Alien Antz
space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2008.03.18 13:47:00 -
[143]
oops "not accepting connections".....who else was surprised?
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Krollin
Ki Shoda
United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2008.03.18 13:48:00 -
[144]
I was going to write something insightful and full of meaning.....cba now
Kro
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Trolsk
Red.
Red Republic
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Posted - 2008.03.18 13:48:00 -
[145]
Originally by: Kha'Vorn
Acorn electron
Past was just blasted 
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Dramund
Atonement Arms
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Posted - 2008.03.18 13:48:00 -
[146]
We all know who is really at fault here. Bjork.
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Simon LBowerbank
Eternal Guardians Corp.
The Covenant Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.18 13:49:00 -
[147]
6 minutes until tranquility is up
5 minutes until tranquility is up
4 minutes until tranquility is up
3 minutes until tranquility is up
2 minutes until tranquility is up
1 minutes until tranquility is up
Yaay eve time finaly...uhhh FOR THE LOVE OF GOD WHAT?!?!
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Cheyenne Shadowborn
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.03.18 13:49:00 -
[148]
Originally by: Luh Windan
If the test server does not catch these issues then there is something seriously wrong with it.
Sorry to disappoint you, but if CCP WOULD respond, they'd probably tell you that not all issues can be caught on the test server due to it not having the full player load and all. That seems to have been be the standard statement in the past.
Now, I'm sure we both agree a test server that doesn't have the player load of the live server makes it impossible to test some patches, especially a supposedly single number database change for a BPO
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Kayla Inara
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.18 13:50:00 -
[149]
I'm somewhat concerned. EveMon was working last night and saying I was training Gal Industrial to level 3 (as it should have been). Now it's back to saying I'm training drones (which I haven't done since yesterday morning) and won't refresh again. I'm hoping they didn't rollback to yesterday morning since I was off work yesterday and literally spent the entire day mining.
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Ikonia
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.03.18 13:51:00 -
[150]
Elite was great, but loved Frontier more, becuase it let u do more and there was much more to explore. BTW even EVE is a tiny lil noce piece of software, compared to frontier :)
Frontier had 100.000.000 (1 hundred million) Stars - the planets not counted, in most cases at least 3 planets, but often enough around 8 Planets with several moons :) Amazing though, all game only 700K harddisk space requirement :)
True graphics were not as good. But recall: that was 1996.
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