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Posted - 2012.02.22 17:40:00 -
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Schmacos tryne wrote:I'm just saying: Why is it so hard for CCP to make proper actions and execute the changes they do in a proper way so that we and they avoid this kind of crap. GǪand the rest of us are saying Gǣwhat crap?Gǥ What is this mess you keep harping on about?
You're failing to explain what the actual problem is (and no, not having the GÇ£same possibilitiesGÇ¥ is not a problem, partly because people do, and partly because the possibilities afforded here are nil).
Schmacos tryne wrote:No the rules was made to create special circumstances for a very few individuals allowing them to ignore major gamechange. Not really, no. They aren't allowed to ignore anything GÇö that's the part you're missing. In fact, they have to adhere to the rules very closely or they will be smacked about quite severely. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.02.22 17:49:00 -
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Schmacos tryne wrote:You are aware of the fact that you just repeated my statement in slightly different selection of words right? So you agree, then, that it's not even remotely close to being a problem since they have to abide by the same rules as everyone else? Good, then you can stop bleating.
You have consistently failed to explain what the supposed problem or mess or GÇ£crapGÇ¥ is, and now you just agreed that there is none. We already know this. Now shush. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.02.22 18:03:00 -
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Schmacos tryne wrote:That's it? I expected more... You should have made your point a bit more opaque then, so it took some time to shed a light on it. You said your point was the same as mine; my point was that they weren't ignoring any rules; your supposed issue is that they were, but since they aren't, there is no problem.
Quote:The problem is: There are elements in this game which is not available to all players. Why is that a problem?
Quote:Why this is a problem: It's the principal of the matter. Not enough. In fact, the whole game is built around some people having stuff others can't have. Moreover, if that's your supposed principle, why are you going after the most meaningless (non)example GÇö the one that causes absolutely no issues for anyone whatsoever? So no, again: why is it a problem?
The simple fact of the matter is this: these ships are an EVE institution; they cause exactly zero problems; you are just jealous for no useful or sensible reason whatsoever. There is nothing to solve. Stop being jealous and HTFU. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.02.22 18:08:00 -
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Schmacos tryne wrote:Doc Fury wrote: Confirming the OP's "crap" is simple jealousy, a.k.a. epeen envy.
You are not confirming anything. I have made several statements that the solution to this particular problem is to move them to losec. GǪwhich doesn't change the fact the GÇ£crapGÇ¥ you're referring to is simple jealousy, and that you've pretty much confirmed it yourself at this point. You are completely unable to explain what the problem is without referring to this jealousy of yours. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.02.22 18:23:00 -
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Schmacos tryne wrote:Read on (You could have saved some internet space).... You didn't notice that reading on didn't answer the question, i take it? Your supposed principle is something you've invented; its applicability is quite questionable; and you're actually arguing against your principle for some odd reason.
Quote:I understand that you are all for fight for it or loose it mentality. However this "causes non issue" is a perfect example since it just illustrates the point. What point is that?
Quote:I do however not agree that certain privileges are in place or will come in place which strengthen the already strong to a point where the sovreighnty cannot be challanged. What privileges are those? What's the strength given to some but not to others? You're not making any sense man GÇö we're talking about highsec capitals here, which do nothing of what you just described.
Quote:I worry more on what's to come than what has passed even thoug the past should be cleaned up. Why? What's the problem? Oh, and no, the past should never be GÇ£cleaned upGÇ¥ GÇö it should be put on display and be remembered, warts and all. Even so, we're still talking about highsec capitals here, so what on earth is there to GÇ£clean upGÇ¥?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.02.22 18:29:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Schmacos tryne wrote:How? According to the "special" rules you are not allowed to trade these items? You cant sell them. GǪand here's the question to the OP, if we are to pick one of the assorted principles strewn around and say that the problem is that not everyone can get their hands on a highsec capital: why aren't you saying they should rescind this silly rule, so you can buy one?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.02.22 18:36:00 -
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Schmacos tryne wrote:I bet you wish that sometimes there would be someone who took the bull by the horns and adressed certain problems which usually is 'shusshed' down when it comes to politics. I wish that sometimes, people who took the bull by the horns explained what problems they were trying to solveGǪ
Quote:IF CCP acknowledged it was a misstake and unintentional to keep a small hand of unintended cap's in Hi and actually do something about it. GǪand that's a big if because the question remains: why would they do that? It's not like it actually was a mistake or unintentional.
Quote:As it is today I do not trust CCP to do this in a proper way and I demand that they show their alegiance is towards all players and not some few. They can do that by simply not listening to youGǪ vOv
Quote:Bacause you don't understand the fact that I don't want one. Whether you want one or not is irrelevant. It's about applying your invented principle. Are you now saying that you don't want to do that either? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.02.22 18:59:00 -
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Schmacos tryne wrote:Maybee you are not looking at it from the right angle. It is not my responsibility to change your view, so you can disregard this as "I don't get it" and leave it with that. Actually, it is your responsibility: you're the one arguing for the change.
Quote:Simple, Otherwise they woudn't bother moving the production to low sec and stopping these types of ships enter high sec. GǪwhich doesn't mean that leaving some behind is a mistake or unintentional. You're drawing awfully big conclusions based on a few changes, completely disregarding the fact that the intended effects are in place and fulfilled. So no, it's not like it was a mistake or unintentional.
Quote:What are you talking about? I'm talking about the fact that rescinding the GÇ£no sellingGÇ¥ rule so you can buy one would be the simplest application of your invented principle that everyone should be able to get their hands on one. I'm asking you why you are against rescinding the one rule that makes this happen, contrary to your principled stance.
Quote:#1: I D O N ' T W A N T A C A R R I E R I N H I G H - S E C Irrelevant. Do you want to apply your principle or not?
Quote:#2: But I disagree that they are present as they constitute a fovourable standing towards a small group of players from CCP's side. GǪand the question remains: why is that a problem? It provides exactly zero benefit, and isn't particularly tied to any specific person. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.02.22 19:04:00 -
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Schmacos tryne wrote:That noone agrees doesen't invalidate my concerns the slightest. Actually it does, since your concern hinges on the notion that everyone should be treated equally. The problem here is that everyone says GǣnahGǪGǥ.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.02.22 19:09:00 -
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Schmacos tryne wrote:You question what problem a favourable standing from CCP towards a limited group poses? Yes. What is the problem? What GÇ£favourable standingGÇ¥ do they get? How does it in any way affect anything? How does it in any way differ from the GÇ£favourable standingsGÇ¥ other limited groups get?
Quote:I 'worry' about CCPs Bias. What bias? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.02.22 19:20:00 -
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Schmacos tryne wrote:Ingame: Quite a lot. I think deep, deep really deeep inside your little tipria heart you agree asell. but now you just have to drag it out based on you principle of never loosing an arguement and always having the last word (regardless how meager it is). OOG: Not my concern as I am master of my own life. I can't help noticing you didn't answer any of the questions. GÇ£Quite a lotGÇ¥ contains quite little in the way of actual information.
So: what is the problem? What GÇ£favourable standingGÇ¥ do they get? How does it in any way affect anything? How does it in any way differ from the GÇ£favourable standingsGÇ¥ other limited groups get?
Quote:The one you just commented on... feeble.. SoGǪ what bias, exactly?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.02.22 19:33:00 -
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Schmacos tryne wrote:Favourable standings from CCP towards certain groups of players is an isse which concerns me. What GÇ£favourable standingGÇ¥ do they get? How does it in any way affect anything? How does it in any way differ from the GÇ£favourable standingsGÇ¥ other limited groups get? In short, what is the problem?
Quote:CCP admits they should not be there:
GM Quote regarding 6M logofski trick: Source?
Quote:So why don't they just remove them? Because it's unpopular and they "cause no harm". Problem is, next time CCP screws up can I be sure that they actually pull through and rectify previous misstakes? Since they have screwed up since and have indeed rectified it, yes. More to the point, though, where is the aGÇ£screw upGÇ¥? Highsec caps have already been rectified. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.02.22 19:46:00 -
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Schmacos tryne wrote:CCP should be neutral and no special treatment whatsoever. This matter is just insainly visible so it has become the spearhead of this (one man) operation. What GÇ£special treatmentGÇ¥ and GÇ£favourable standingGÇ¥ do they get? How does it in any way affect anything? How does it in any way differ from the GÇ£favourable standingsGÇ¥ other limited groups get? In short, what is the problem?
Quote:The source of this is in another thread called "jita carrier" in general forum. Read it there. GǪso entirely irrelevant to the topic at hand. Since, if we actually quote the post in question in full, it says:
GM Homonoia wrote:Mashie Saldana wrote:You want a cap ship in highsec? All it takes is a bit of patience.
Step 1, set medical clone to high sec station of interest. Step 2, undock in the ship you want moving and log out at a safe. Step 3, unsub for 6 months. Step 4, resub and enjoy your ship now docked in your clone station.
There are a LOT of super carriers docked in highsec due to this "feature". This is pretty much the cause for almost all cases where a capital ship ends up in high sec space. This is a very old mechanic, predating capital ships, that had some unintended consequences. This hole will be closed at some point in time. Up until then, please file a petition if your capital ship (or someone else's) ends up in high sec that way and a GM will correct the issue. So no, it doesn't actually say that the highsec caps shouldn't be there. By the way, just mentioning a random thread is not a good way to provide a source GÇö this is the internet; link it. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.02.22 19:50:00 -
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Schmacos tryne wrote:Still don't want one, just wan them gone. In other words, you admit that your supposed principle isn't actually important.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.02.22 19:58:00 -
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Schmacos tryne wrote:What other limited groups get favourable standings Tipsia? Tell me and then I can include these cases aswell. You understand how quotation marks are used, right?
Anyway: highsec players, lowsec players, nullsec players, anyone creating good content, anyone owning anything non-seededGǪ in effect, everyone GÇö they just belong to different limited groups that get different favourable standings.
Alternatively: no-one, since not even people owning highsec caps are given any kind of favourable standing. You see, the problem here is that you still haven't defined GÇ£favourable standingGÇ¥, even though I've been asking you to for a while.
Quote:Read the bold text. then tell me how do we deal with those unintended ships? You mean the bit that has nothing to do with the topic at hand and which, in fact, would go against your principled stance (the one you just rescinded)? The bit where they're proving you wrong by showing that no-one gets special treatment and some undefined GÇ£favourable standingGÇ¥?
Quote:I care because of what I have written throughout this thread. In other words, you don't care. First, it was due to some principle concerning special treatment and not having to obey the rules, which has been proven false. Then it was due to some principle concerning equal access, which you have since admitted you don't actually subscribe to. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.02.22 20:02:00 -
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Schmacos tryne wrote:Interesting and a well put blow. But not full score as I only seek equality and not privileges. GǪexcept that you just said that you don't. You're arguing against things that would create equality. You are also completely unable to explain what supposed inequality there is. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.02.22 20:14:00 -
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Schmacos tryne wrote:whel there is one fundamental flaw in what you say... A new player can choose if he/she wishes to go to low/high etc. but can never choose to aquire a cap in high. The non-seeded I am unsure what you speak of but if it is unobtainable for new players i think it should be removed or re-seeded. GǪexcept that he can, and that even if he couldn't, it wouldn't convey any favourable standing on him.
Also, why do you want to destroy the uniqueness and history that non-seeded items bring to the game?
Quote:You should concider a career as a writer. You come up with good stories as you see fit.
Special treatment = big nono Equal Access = Big yesyes GǪso why are you arguing against equal access?
Quote:the priveleged ones are the ones who stay there with CCP's blessings. What privilege are bestowed upon them? How are they GÇ£blessedGÇ¥ in any way? How does it in any way affect anything? How does it in any way differ from the GÇ£favourable standingsGÇ¥ other limited groups get? In short, what is the problem? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.02.22 20:29:00 -
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Schmacos tryne wrote:You can continue to refuse to accept my position in this matter no worries. You will howeve never convince me that there is no spoon. And I think your convincing power is highly overrated. I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I'm trying to make you argue your case and answer some very simple questions.
I repeat myself because you fail or refuse to answer those questions, even though they are quite important for the case you're trying to make.
Quote:MY STATEMENT: CCP bestowes priveleges (Be they beneficial or not) upon some selected players (be it consiently or based on random). Do they? What privileges? On whom?
Quote:I don't like it and I want it gone. GǪand the question you are unable to answer is: are there there to begin with, and if so, in what form? If there aren't none, it'll be quite tricky to remove themGǪ alternatively, you've already gotten your wish they since they're GǣgoneGǥ as in Gǣwere never there from the startGǥ.
So, to that end: what GÇ£special treatmentGÇ¥ or GÇ£favourable standingGÇ¥ or GÇ£privilegesGÇ¥ do they get? How does it in any way affect anything? How does it in any way differ from the GÇ£favourable standingsGÇ¥ other limited groups get? In short, what is the problem?
Quote:You like it and you want it to stay OR you really like to discuss about things you don't care about (which is the more likely?) Neither. I just want you to argue your case and demonstrate that there is a problem.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.02.22 20:37:00 -
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Schmacos tryne wrote:Zag'mar Jurkar wrote:Where did he/she said they are not ? The GM just said it was a known "bug", nothing about caps in hi-sec being prohibited. Check the linky in the last post in "Jita Carrier" then find the senior GM post there. GǪand you'll notice that it doesn't say that highsec caps are prohibited, nor that they are getting kicked out GÇö hell, not even the 6-monthers are necessarily kicked out, going by that quote.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.02.22 20:45:00 -
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Zag'mar Jurkar wrote:Still asking you to show me where it says as you say. He is an internet n00b and thus doesn't understand this fancy concept of GÇ£hyper linksGÇ¥.
He's talking about this quote:GM Nova wrote:Hi Murrfa. I hate to rain on your parade. Sadly we will have to move this ship to a low sec. system. What has been said previously is correct, players have never been been able to build Rorquals in high sec systems. How the ship ended up there remains to be determined, but it will have to be moved. GǪwhich has now been superseded by a new GM post saying that you pretty much have to ask for it. It's not automatic, and either way, it does not affect grandfathered-in capitals.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.02.22 20:51:00 -
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Schmacos tryne wrote:Then the question I ask is this: Why are there any carriesr in Hi-Sec at all? WHY? History?? Tourism??? Yes. That, and because there's no reason to move them.
Quote:No it's because CCP "forgot" to move the existing fleet out (usual mockup). GǪand you can prove this, of course?
Quote:The rest of you can showel it. You are only protecting your interests because you are afraid what will come next. Incorrect, of course. The rest of us simply want you to provide some kind of arguments or facts to support your case, and some kind of reasoning why this piece of EVE history needs to be murdere.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.02.22 21:51:00 -
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Schmacos tryne wrote:You however are trying very hard to discredit me by attacking everything on a broad front without actually having made one single good point in this discussion. Very few have. GǪleast of all you, since you can't even explain what the actual problem is.
Quote:But in the end, Right is right. So what's GÇ£rightGÇ¥?
Quote:So you agree then, changes should be retroactive to affect all existing items, ships and players. Fun fact: they do. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.02.24 20:07:00 -
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Schmacos tryne wrote:They only quote which matter as I have stated nomerous times that THE GENERAL IDEA WAS NO CAPS IN HI-SEC and that special arrangements where made after the whinefest to accomodate a small base of players. GǪwhich you have failed to prove, along with being unable to demonstrate that there is any kind of problem that needs solving.
As for the general idea, it's exactly that idea that is being enforced, so for the fiftyeleventh time: how are highsec cap owners privileged or GÇ£blessedGÇ¥ in any way? How does it in any way affect anything? How does it in any way differ from the GÇ£favourable standingsGÇ¥ other limited groups get? In short, what is the problem? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.02.25 13:51:00 -
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Schmacos tryne wrote:CCP Intended Hi to be cap free. GǪand it is.
Quote:Then they changed their mind. We all know why. Do we? Why is that?
Quote:The evidence is is the GM's response. The only evidence in the GM response is that they wanted to maintain their intention without dicking people over. So they did. The problem is that what you don't like only exists in your head GÇö not in the game. That's why you're having such a hard time explaining what GÇ£privilegesGÇ¥ or GÇ£blessingsGÇ¥ are bestowed; why you're unable to illustrate any actual effects; and why you keep changing your mind about what principle you want to adhere to when it is demonstrated that the highsec caps don't actually break those principles.
Quote:You and I will never see Eye to eye on this so give it a rest. You are proving nothing. I'm not intending to prove anything. I'm asking you to provide reasons, arguments and proof for your assertions and requests. You're failing to do so GÇö you can't even properly explain what the problem is. You are proving nothing, even though you really need to. That is the only reason we can't see eye to eye: because you refuse to give anyone any reason whatsoever to believe any of your concerns are anything but your own brain bugs. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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