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Clansworth
Point-Zero
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.23 15:10:00 -
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IÆm proposing a new POS module. The Personal Storage Array. This array has a selection of small hangers, which can be rented to entities. Currently the Corporate Hanger Array has 1,400,000m¦ of storage space, divided arbitrarily between the divisional hangers. I am proposing a unit that instead provides a fixed space per customer. Not a lot, something like 50 units of about 10,000m¦. The real beauty of this is that it will finally provide an elegant fix for non corp use of lab and production facilities, as there will be a local storage facility for input and output of the arrays.
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BlondieBC
Rising Knights
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.23 21:49:00 -
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Sounds like a good idea.
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JERIC0
NailorTech Industries
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2008.03.26 12:07:00 -
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I like this idea. Corp members using POS's has always been a problem and this would mean POS's could become more useful to the ordinary player.
You could also maybe do a personal Ship Maint Array which allows you to dock a few ships personally etc.
But i think this would then take alot of the bonuses of Outposts away. And I can just see the answer being that POS's are corp assest so they should only benifit the corp or something like that.
But I would like to see this module. :)
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Rudarstilski
Alija Sirotanovich Mining Ops
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Posted - 2008.03.26 14:52:00 -
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I kinda like the "camping by the campfire" feel of the POS right now, you need to share everything and trust in your corpmates, kinda romantic  (I was a boyscout) Besides, you can always bring a can to put more personal stuff in (fancy fittings you bought etc) and trust your corpmates won't hightail with your ship. All low end loot goes to the donations part of the hangar where it gets reproed to build useful corp stuff.
POSs won't replace outposts even with such a module, anyone who tried to make large ship production possible in a POS know about the "storage problem", also there is the "refining problem" and hence "the logistic problem" of getting all that stuff into a station .
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Alexander Knott
Ars ex Discordia
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.26 17:59:00 -
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Edited by: Alexander Knott on 26/03/2008 18:02:30
Signed.
Personally I would like to see fewer outposts in deep space. They're overkill compared to the populations that most 0.0 will support. My ideal nullsec region would have one centrally located capital constellation with however many outposts are required to perform manufacturing duties and house corporate offices. No other outposts in the region, just a network POSes and some jump bridges to well-used resources. Cheaper to maintain, easier to defend.
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Kristo Tomar
IVC Consortium
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.04.18 19:19:00 -
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Yes Yes I endorse this idea !! |
Fitz VonHeise
The New Order.
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.18 19:20:00 -
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This sounds like a perfect idea and an answer to many POS manager's dreams. Please implament this or something like it.
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Jobie Thickburger
Gallente
Condottieri Industries
The Economy
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Posted - 2008.04.18 23:47:00 -
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The only real problem here would be people leaving the corp... where would the items go....
Let alone the groups like Goonswarm who have 1000s of people, One module wouldn't do the job for them.
Even So, I'd love to see one of these too :)
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Clansworth
Point-Zero
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.19 01:31:00 -
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 Originally by: Jobie Thickburger
The only real problem here would be people leaving the corp... where would the items go....
Let alone the groups like Goonswarm who have 1000s of people, One module wouldn't do the job for them.
Even So, I'd love to see one of these too :)
Not sure i described it properly to you. This is not synonemous with the personal hanger on a station. This isn't someting that is automatically given out to every corp member, it is a bunch of 'slots' that can be rented to any party the owner so chooses, be that corp members, alliance members, or anyone else. Think of it as a self storage unit in space. The real goal i had was letting non corp members fully utilize POS facilities. This would provide for alliance use out in 0.0, but also as an income source in empire.
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Trevize Daneeel
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Posted - 2008.04.19 01:33:00 -
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Carniflex
Caldari
Fallout Research
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.04.19 08:52:00 -
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Pretty good idea. As I understand it idea was to have 'container' type pos module with 'personal' acsess rights granted by starbase manager. Ie, you put it up, right clik to set acsess rights and then end up in chararacter shearch screen where you can find specific pilot to grant acsess rights to that container (or corporation, or alliance or whatever entities are implemented in EVE future). Ofcource starbase manager would have acsess to the contents so people using that container would need to trust the manager. |
Passin Through
VonHeise Industries
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Posted - 2008.04.21 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: Carniflex
Pretty good idea. As I understand it idea was to have 'container' type pos module with 'personal' acsess rights granted by starbase manager. Ie, you put it up, right clik to set acsess rights and then end up in chararacter shearch screen where you can find specific pilot to grant acsess rights to that container (or corporation, or alliance or whatever entities are implemented in EVE future). Ofcource starbase manager would have acsess to the contents so people using that container would need to trust the manager.
This would be perfect. I hope the Devs would take note of this idea and make either a new corp hanger or change how roles to the currect one work.
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Jonas Vinthyn
Cassandra's Light
Caeruleum Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.21 20:36:00 -
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Very much needed. Sharing POS stuff out is a PITA.
-Jonas
My POS - POS Fitting and Fuel Calc
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xtecox
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Posted - 2008.04.23 21:00:00 -
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Many people would like to see such a hanger.
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Anubis Xian
Vertigo One
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Posted - 2008.04.23 21:54:00 -
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Great idea. Maybe call them Lockers and have different sizes:
Small Locker Array: 50 units
Medium Locker Array: 200 units
Large Locker Array: 500 units
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ObiWanJanobus
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Posted - 2008.04.29 03:36:00 -
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I fully agree and sign on this. Hope to see it implemented sooner than later.
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Jinx Barker
GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2008.04.29 04:35:00 -
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Or, at least, a PAS - Personal Anchoring Array - for those hard to hold MoMs and stuff that tend to walk to GHSC members :-) 
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Nemtar Nataal
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.04.29 07:47:00 -
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Good idear, give the module a personalized password or some form of personalized access control to prevent other people from using it and you have my vote 
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Luaren Avidius
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Posted - 2008.04.29 08:08:00 -
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Set it up so corps or individuals can rent blocks of space in the array, with the manager of the pos setting the price per block and the block limit per individual or corporation.
Allow a corp to set up a number of access lists that define persons and corps that can interface differently with different pos facilities. Allow different types of POS arrays and different things of use in them to look at the access lists for how they function. For example, an access list for who can use copying slots could be different from people who can use ME or invention slots, etc.
If a person rents a block, he gets functionality from the array like a can floating in space.
If a corp rents a block, they get functionality like a corp hanger array in space.
In cases where both a corp and an individual from the corp are renting blocks, make sure there are two options: access personal storage, and access corp hangar.
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Rellana
DAB
THE VILLAGE PE0PLE
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Posted - 2008.06.03 12:48:00 -
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I'd defintely go for this idea as well as the Personal Hangar array idea.If you've ever tried basing out of a 0.0 pos for warfare in a enemy-controlled system,well ideally you'd want replacement fittings/ships in the pos,that you could rely to have when you needed them,and not have them stolen.
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Fighter26
Center for Deformed Hamsters
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Posted - 2008.07.08 21:43:00 -
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I think this idea is great- POS should have had these to begin with...
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Marri
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Posted - 2008.07.08 23:26:00 -
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Yeah! would be nice to finaly see a fix to the lab/assembly array problem |
Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.07.08 23:53:00 -
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Obviously this wouldnt work for like ships but isnt this was Giant Secure Containers are for? I mean they hold 3900 units of space so thats atleast plenty of room for ammo, modules and what not.
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Clansworth
Burning Sky Labs
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Posted - 2008.07.09 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei
Obviously this wouldnt work for like ships but isnt this was Giant Secure Containers are for? I mean they hold 3900 units of space so thats atleast plenty of room for ammo, modules and what not.
Not quite. To my knowledge, cans can't be anchored inside the bubble. Also, secure can's do not solve the actual problem here, and that is the lack of manufacturing/research in/out locations for non corp members. This would allow non-corp members to use ALL POS based research/manufacturing facilities, as they would just have to choose this rented hanger as in and out.
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Clansworth
Burning Sky Labs
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Posted - 2008.10.07 15:20:00 -
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Has anyone heard anything from any devs that they even consider this a problem?
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Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2008.10.11 10:59:00 -
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Originally by: Clansworth
Originally by: Jacob Mei
Obviously this wouldnt work for like ships but isnt this was Giant Secure Containers are for? I mean they hold 3900 units of space so thats atleast plenty of room for ammo, modules and what not.
Not quite. To my knowledge, cans can't be anchored inside the bubble. Also, secure can's do not solve the actual problem here, and that is the lack of manufacturing/research in/out locations for non corp members. This would allow non-corp members to use ALL POS based research/manufacturing facilities, as they would just have to choose this rented hanger as in and out.
Great way to grief, rent a slot off someone, set a POS hangar as output, leave something in there that they can't access. Thus they can't ever un-anchor the tower. Alternately given current mechanics you would need to give the POS owners access to that person's 'other' personal hangars, which is most of them.
This of course can be changed, but it is a long way from simple and would require a complete corp permissions overhaul, which probably needs to be done, but probably won't be because of the large amount of work that it will require and the huge potential for some very devastating bugs if anything goes wrong.
Also, while you can't anchor a GSC inside the bubble, you can have one anchored inside the bubble. See if you can guess how ;)
If you didn't want to go to that sort of effort, there's no reason why people can't just have them outside the bubble like they do now.
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Clansworth
Burning Sky Labs
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Posted - 2008.10.11 13:32:00 -
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Edited by: Clansworth on 11/10/2008 13:36:05
Edited by: Clansworth on 11/10/2008 13:32:54
Originally by: Lord Fitz
Great way to grief, rent a slot off someone, set a POS hangar as output, leave something in there that they can't access. Thus they can't ever un-anchor the tower. Alternately given current mechanics you would need to give the POS owners access to that person's 'other' personal hangars, which is most of them.
This of course can be changed, but it is a long way from simple and would require a complete corp permissions overhaul, which probably needs to be done, but probably won't be because of the large amount of work that it will require and the huge potential for some very devastating bugs if anything goes wrong.
I'm not sure i follow what you mean about corp permissions. The object I'm talking about is not a corp hanger, it is a simple container, behaving more like a GSC. It is rented by someone from the POS owning corp, which grants them access to the container space. The S&I system would have to be changed so that the local personal array could be set as the in/out of the job. Still, no actual corp roles would be required. AFAIK, the S&I system was originally designed (redesigned?) to allow slots to be set to public use, thereby allowing anyone to use them, the lacking part of the puzzle was that there was no way to get materials in/out of the job. That's what I'm trying to solve. This would act/behave more like isntalling a personal job in a station facility. Originally by: Lord Fitz
Also, while you can't anchor a GSC inside the bubble, you can have one anchored inside the bubble. See if you can guess how ;)
If you didn't want to go to that sort of effort, there's no reason why people can't just have them outside the bubble like they do now.
Yes, i know there are 'work-arounds', my point was that a GSC does not solve the main problem I'm working on, which is the ability to rent out POS based facilities.
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Kiki Arnolds
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.11 15:56:00 -
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In either case:
What happens if the corp stops fueling the POS and the renter of a locker lacks roles?
What happens to the contents of a locker array if the tower is attacked?
What happens when rent expires?
If this is designed to serve out of corp individuals:
What happens if the owner wants to remove the tower, and there is still stuff in rented lockers?
What happens if the owner changes the shield PW and sets the guns agressive?
If its corp only:
What happens if the corp needs to remove the tower and someone has stuff in a rented locker?
What happens if someone leaves the corp with stuff in a locker?
If the corp can gain access to lockers, why not just use the trust and a corp hangar array?
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Clansworth
Burning Sky Labs
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Posted - 2008.10.11 22:24:00 -
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Edited by: Clansworth on 11/10/2008 22:25:08
Originally by: Kiki Arnolds
In either case:
What happens if the corp stops fueling the POS and the renter of a locker lacks roles?
What happens to the contents of a locker array if the tower is attacked?
What happens when rent expires?
If this is designed to serve out of corp individuals:
What happens if the owner wants to remove the tower, and there is still stuff in rented lockers?
What happens if the owner changes the shield PW and sets the guns agressive?
If its corp only:
What happens if the corp needs to remove the tower and someone has stuff in a rented locker?
What happens if someone leaves the corp with stuff in a locker?
If the corp can gain access to lockers, why not just use the trust and a corp hangar array?
Most of these things are technically problems that apply to outposts and conquerable stations, and people are acceptable of the risk. Obviously, because of the risk, this would probably be mostly used for low-value items. High value research and production would still be done in the safety of station systems, where the BP can reside in a station. However, if this provides the needed solution to lab slot overuse, then it would be worth the risk for most people. This is not unlike the risks people take with the current 'alt-alliance' methods of slot-renting, but is a much more consistant system.
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Ewa White
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Posted - 2008.10.20 14:48:00 -
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That would be awesome , its annoying searching 45 labs with 6 tab each on the 4 towers to figure where is my pile of datacharts or whatever else I need to copy this and that or whenever I delive like 20 jobs to find them all ...
Ewa
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