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Jakke Logan
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.24 15:03:00 -
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Edited by: Jakke Logan on 24/03/2008 15:05:49 Fellow miners, a scourge of jihadi are employing suicide tactics to spread terror in the highsec belts. All that is needed to defeat these misguided warriors are very simple tactics and teamwork.
How to crusade against the jihad:
-Form up your team of "crusaders". Since hulks on their own can't tank very well, you will need help. A crusader team consists of:
1. Mining barges. These should be fitted with a tank, even at the expense of mining efficiency.
2. Logistics ships. These should be a combination of remote reppers and drone reppers. Assign drones to rep each barge. Remote rep the barge that gets primaried. The goal here is to survive the critical seconds it will take CONCORD to respond. T1 cruisers will do fine for this.
Don't even bother fitting tanks to your logistic ships, if the jihad primaries them, they've already cost themselves the chance to kill your barges. However, these ships should be considered expendible, and fitted out as cheaply as possible and fully insured. I recommend at least 2 logistics ships for each barge. A Typhoon or Domi or two with their large drone bays would also be great to have, since you can use more repper drones.
3. A couple of "martyrs" for the cause in starter ships. This could be pilots of the logistics ships.
4. An alt toon that is not a member of your corp, or in your crusading fleet.
- Insure that there will be cop when you need him...
1. Move everyone to the area where you will be mining.
2. Have your first "martyr" attack the alt toon. CONCORD will respond, warping in a fleet, destroying the noob ship. Have the second martyr do the same thing after the first one is destroyed if the fleet isn't large enough to your liking.
3. Have the logistics ships target each one of the mining barges. Rep drones should already be assigned to rep each barge already. Be ready to activate your remote reppers the second you know who is being primaried. The tank on each barge, plus the drones, should give you enough time to start repping the target, and should sustain them long enough for CONCORD to send the jihadswarm off to not meet their virgins.
That's all there is to it. By having logistics and reppers already positioned, you reduce the chance that the jihad "alpha strike" takes out a barge before CONCORD (which will be nearby enough to respond within seconds) kills them.
All it takes to defeat them is some teamwork and some preparation. The skills needed to fit at least simple remote rep cruisers are low, and can be trained within a week, so even the humblest empire corp can do this.
And yes, using noobships and CONCORD in this way can be argued to be an abuse of game mechanics. But an equal argument can be made that suicide tactics like these that are being employed right now also is a misuse of game mechanics. If CCP won't take action against the suicide gankers, then employing these tactics should be equally legal.
Please post any helpful additions to this, and any results of trying this tactic! I look forward to reading them.
Let the CRUSADE to take back the belts begin!
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Jakke Logan
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.24 15:03:00 -
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Edited by: Jakke Logan on 24/03/2008 15:05:49 Fellow miners, a scourge of jihadi are employing suicide tactics to spread terror in the highsec belts. All that is needed to defeat these misguided warriors are very simple tactics and teamwork.
How to crusade against the jihad:
-Form up your team of "crusaders". Since hulks on their own can't tank very well, you will need help. A crusader team consists of:
1. Mining barges. These should be fitted with a tank, even at the expense of mining efficiency.
2. Logistics ships. These should be a combination of remote reppers and drone reppers. Assign drones to rep each barge. Remote rep the barge that gets primaried. The goal here is to survive the critical seconds it will take CONCORD to respond. T1 cruisers will do fine for this.
Don't even bother fitting tanks to your logistic ships, if the jihad primaries them, they've already cost themselves the chance to kill your barges. However, these ships should be considered expendible, and fitted out as cheaply as possible and fully insured. I recommend at least 2 logistics ships for each barge. A Typhoon or Domi or two with their large drone bays would also be great to have, since you can use more repper drones.
3. A couple of "martyrs" for the cause in starter ships. This could be pilots of the logistics ships.
4. An alt toon that is not a member of your corp, or in your crusading fleet.
- Insure that there will be cop when you need him...
1. Move everyone to the area where you will be mining.
2. Have your first "martyr" attack the alt toon. CONCORD will respond, warping in a fleet, destroying the noob ship. Have the second martyr do the same thing after the first one is destroyed if the fleet isn't large enough to your liking.
3. Have the logistics ships target each one of the mining barges. Rep drones should already be assigned to rep each barge already. Be ready to activate your remote reppers the second you know who is being primaried. The tank on each barge, plus the drones, should give you enough time to start repping the target, and should sustain them long enough for CONCORD to send the jihadswarm off to not meet their virgins.
That's all there is to it. By having logistics and reppers already positioned, you reduce the chance that the jihad "alpha strike" takes out a barge before CONCORD (which will be nearby enough to respond within seconds) kills them.
All it takes to defeat them is some teamwork and some preparation. The skills needed to fit at least simple remote rep cruisers are low, and can be trained within a week, so even the humblest empire corp can do this.
And yes, using noobships and CONCORD in this way can be argued to be an abuse of game mechanics. But an equal argument can be made that suicide tactics like these that are being employed right now also is a misuse of game mechanics. If CCP won't take action against the suicide gankers, then employing these tactics should be equally legal.
Please post any helpful additions to this, and any results of trying this tactic! I look forward to reading them.
Let the CRUSADE to take back the belts begin!
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Lori Carlyle
Vengeance 8 Interceptors
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Posted - 2008.03.24 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: Jakke Logan But an equal argument can be made that suicide tactics like these that are being employed right now also is a misuse of game mechanics.
How so? ---- CCP Please answer the following Questions.
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warrior009
Blue Labs
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Posted - 2008.03.24 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Lori Carlyle
Originally by: Jakke Logan But an equal argument can be made that suicide tactics like these that are being employed right now also is a misuse of game mechanics.
How so?
He's just mad that he probably got his barge destoryed in empire space and thinks its against the rules even though everyone know's empire or deadspace ganking is allowed difference is that empire has concord to do some protecting as deadspace doesnt...now i feel like finding him and ganking his mining lol
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand
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Posted - 2008.03.24 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Jakke Logan 1. Mining barges. These should be fitted with a tank, even at the expense of mining efficiency.
BLASPHEMY! Why point is there to EVE if I must sacrifice 7-8% of my mining efficiency so my 100 Million ISK ship doesn't get blown up every day?!?! /wrist
In all seriousness, sound tactics. If miners would actually get off their asses and do this, the goons would have to expend more effort, reducing their lulz and driving them off to other areas. ---------------- Tarminic - 34 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.79.3 (Updated 3/24) |
Jakke Logan
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.24 15:17:00 -
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Nope, never lost a barge in highsec.
Just wanting to share with everyone my idea for how these attacks can be eliminated. It requires teamwork, preparation, and using the same mechanic the jihadswarm is using against them.
If everyone mined in groups with logistic support, the jihadswarm would fail. Highsec isn't completely safe and shouldn't be. But it can be if you use proper precautions.
I mainly want to see the miners strike back, which is why I'm sharing this idea.
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Jakke Logan
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.24 15:20:00 -
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Edited by: Jakke Logan on 24/03/2008 15:21:51 Edited by: Jakke Logan on 24/03/2008 15:20:48
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Jakke Logan 1. Mining barges. These should be fitted with a tank, even at the expense of mining efficiency.
BLASPHEMY! Why point is there to EVE if I must sacrifice 7-8% of my mining efficiency so my 100 Million ISK ship doesn't get blown up every day?!?! /wrist
In all seriousness, sound tactics. If miners would actually get off their asses and do this, the goons would have to expend more effort, reducing their lulz and driving them off to other areas.
Exactly. The idea is survive. Survive a jihad suicide attack while watching CONCORD destroy them for you = WIN.
If every miner with a hulk had a logistics fleet with him, the jihadswarm would be forced to bring LARGER fleets of more expensive ships to increase their alpha strike.
Which would defeat their purpose, they'd be losing more money than a hulk is worth.
Anyone rich enough to own a hulk who does NOT have enough friends to put together a "crusader" team shouldn't be mining anywhere, period.
Mine in packs, with support. Make sure CONCORD is handy. Send the jihadswarm back to wherever they came from minus their virgins.
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warrior009
Blue Labs
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Posted - 2008.03.24 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Jakke Logan Nope, never lost a barge in highsec.
Just wanting to share with everyone my idea for how these attacks can be eliminated. It requires teamwork, preparation, and using the same mechanic the jihadswarm is using against them.
If everyone mined in groups with logistic support, the jihadswarm would fail. Highsec isn't completely safe and shouldn't be. But it can be if you use proper precautions.
I mainly want to see the miners strike back, which is why I'm sharing this idea.
lol if a suicide bomber wanted to kill miners in empire space and do huge damage it would be hard because barges and haulers have no defence or offensive abilities to take a hit from somone who really wanted to kill you... mainly I'd go to war for a week so I wouldnt loose my ship lol
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Jakke Logan
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.24 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: warrior009
Originally by: Jakke Logan Nope, never lost a barge in highsec.
Just wanting to share with everyone my idea for how these attacks can be eliminated. It requires teamwork, preparation, and using the same mechanic the jihadswarm is using against them.
If everyone mined in groups with logistic support, the jihadswarm would fail. Highsec isn't completely safe and shouldn't be. But it can be if you use proper precautions.
I mainly want to see the miners strike back, which is why I'm sharing this idea.
All you need is enough tank to survive for 20 seconds or so max. If you can fit a T2 repper of some sort, and have a damage control II, that's pretty much all that you need especially if you have rep drones already on you and have others handy to remote rep. Suicide tactics depend on alpha strike. Any sort of tank plus immediate logistic support blunts that strike.
As has been pointed out, miners don't do this, it harms your efficiency and yield, so there is a trade off, sure. But which would you rather do, survive, or get destroyed but mine 10% more ore beforehand?
lol if a suicide bomber wanted to kill miners in empire space and do huge damage it would be hard because barges and haulers have no defence or offensive abilities to take a hit from somone who really wanted to kill you... mainly I'd go to war for a week so I wouldnt loose my ship lol
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quiksilv3r
Brute Battlestar
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Posted - 2008.03.24 15:31:00 -
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theres nothign in that last post jakke...
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AleRiperKilt
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.03.24 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Jakke Logan
2. Logistics ships. These should be a combination of remote reppers and drone reppers. Assign drones to rep each barge. Remote rep the barge that gets primaried. The goal here is to survive the critical seconds it will take CONCORD to respond. T1 cruisers will do fine for this.
I don't think the repair cycle of remote reppers will give you enough time to survive a goon suicide attack. A Brutix with 7 Heavy Neutron Blasters I can blow your hulk in less than 10 seconds if you don't tank it.
I was warping out from the Ice Field in Vaurent when a goon started flashing red. Check the killmail:
Originally by: killmail
2008.03.23 18:24
Victim: Tiraeus Alliance: Vanguard. Corp: Mutually Assured Destruction Destroyed: Hulk System: Vaurent Security: 0.6 Damage Taken: 4880
Involved parties:
Name: Garregus (laid the final blow) Security: -0.3 Alliance: GoonSwarm Corp: GoonFleet Ship: Brutix Weapon: Heavy Neutron Blaster I Damage Done: 4880
Destroyed items:
Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II
Dropped items:
Ice Harvester I Ice Harvester I Ice Harvester I Blue Ice, Qty: 12 (Cargo) Hammerhead I, Qty: 3 (Drone Bay)
See the destroyed/dropped items?... no tank at all. With everything going on this dude didn't fit a thing in mids?
To make it hard: - Tank your barges/exhumers (train and fit shield extenders) - Keep them moving (fit afterburner, set orbit 3km around roid, makes it harder to hit you with smartbombs)
Now instead of remote repping, maybe remote shield projectors if there is such a module, I dunno, I'm gallente so I armor tank :p
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quiksilv3r
Brute Battlestar
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Posted - 2008.03.24 15:36:00 -
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To make it hard: - Tank your barges/exhumers (train and fit shield extenders) - Keep them moving (fit afterburner, set orbit 3km around roid, makes it harder to hit you with smartbombs)
Now instead of remote repping, maybe remote shield projectors if there is such a module, I dunno, I'm gallente so I armor tank :p
Stop helping the newbs survive!!!
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand
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Posted - 2008.03.24 15:39:00 -
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Edited by: Tarminic on 24/03/2008 15:40:26
Originally by: AleRiperKilt I don't think the repair cycle of remote reppers will give you enough time to survive a goon suicide attack. A Brutix with 7 Heavy Neutron Blasters I can blow your hulk in less than 10 seconds if you don't tank it.
A T2-tanked Hulk has about 25K effective HP. So if that brutix burned through 5K HP in ten seconds, it would take him close to a minute to chew through properly tanked hulk.
In addition, repair drones have a much smaller cycle time than ship-based remote repairers - 5 medium shield repair drones give you 24 shields per second (assuming an even activation distribution) or 120 shields every 5 seconds. Combine this with a few ship-based repairers and you should be able to survive a suicide gank unless someone used 3 or more battleships to alpha-strike you.
EDIT: And an even better technique is to position a smartbombing battleship nearby - if they show up and incur CONCORD's wrath, MWD to them as their battleships explode and see how many of them didn't bother to use Jump Clones. ---------------- Tarminic - 34 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.79.3 (Updated 3/24) |
Guillome Renard
Access Services
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Posted - 2008.03.24 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic Edited by: Tarminic on 24/03/2008 15:40:26
Originally by: AleRiperKilt I don't think the repair cycle of remote reppers will give you enough time to survive a goon suicide attack. A Brutix with 7 Heavy Neutron Blasters I can blow your hulk in less than 10 seconds if you don't tank it.
A T2-tanked Hulk has about 25K effective HP. So if that brutix burned through 5K HP in ten seconds, it would take him close to a minute to chew through properly tanked hulk.
In addition, repair drones have a much smaller cycle time than ship-based remote repairers - 5 medium shield repair drones give you 24 shields per second (assuming an even activation distribution) or 120 shields every 5 seconds. Combine this with a few ship-based repairers and you should be able to survive a suicide gank unless someone used 3 or more battleships to alpha-strike you.
EDIT: And an even better technique is to position a smartbombing battleship nearby - if they show up and incur CONCORD's wrath, MWD to them as their battleships explode and see how many of them didn't bother to use Jump Clones.
As far as I know? CONCORD will kill you for podding them.
Also, people should know that GoonSwarm employs the new bombs and bomb launchers, this means clustering your ships together (or using repper drones) will just cost you more in the longrun as the 15km radius 6k+ damage burst will wipe out you, your drones, and probably your logistics ships.
Awareness and avoidance is the best defense at the moment, and making sure you're tanked with the ability to absorb an 8k damage alpha is the only tanking strategy that will succeed. Several GoonSwarm kills use multiple bombs such that the first one or two popped the blob of barges, and the last one popped ALL of the pods.
I'm not sure what the intercept options are on bombs, I'm planning on doing some tests on the test server ASAP.
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand
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Posted - 2008.03.24 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Guillome Renard
As far as I know? CONCORD will kill you for podding them.
Yep, but sending their clones back out to 0.0 will make it so it's awhile before they retaliate, even if they wanted to.
Quote: Also, people should know that GoonSwarm employs the new bombs and bomb launchers, this means clustering your ships together (or using repper drones) will just cost you more in the longrun as the 15km radius 6k+ damage burst will wipe out you, your drones, and probably your logistics ships.
Bombs can't be used in high-sec, so in that respect you're safe. If their killmails have bombs on them and they're in high-sec, they're fake. ---------------- Tarminic - 34 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.79.3 (Updated 3/24) |
Teimur Leng
The Last Resort.
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Posted - 2008.03.24 15:50:00 -
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You do know that the original crusaders lost yeah?
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JonLuc McPew
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.24 15:57:00 -
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A couple points;
Quote: -Form up your team of "crusaders". Since hulks on their own can't tank very well, you will need help. A crusader team consists of:
Hulks can tank great(asuming a Gist-B), its the barges who are paper thin and weaksauce.
Quote: and should sustain them long enough for CONCORD to send the jihadswarm off to not meet their virgins.
It's not Virgins they are interested in, more like...necro-bestiality.
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Kerfira
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.03.24 16:02:00 -
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Edited by: Kerfira on 24/03/2008 16:03:20
Originally by: Jakke Logan But an equal argument can be made that suicide tactics like these that are being employed right now also is a misuse of game mechanics.
I wonder how you arrive at this conclusion given THIS....
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Cheng Yu
Sadistic Legion of Unforgivable Thieves
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Posted - 2008.03.24 16:06:00 -
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Willow Falls
Republic University
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Posted - 2008.03.24 16:09:00 -
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Quote: A T2-tanked Hulk has about 25K effective HP. So if that brutix burned through 5K HP in ten seconds, it would take him close to a minute to chew through properly tanked hulk.
Erm, no it wont. not unless they handily found a way to spread all of their damage out across all the damage types.
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Willow Falls
Republic University
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Posted - 2008.03.24 16:13:00 -
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Quote: Hulks can tank great(asuming a Gist-B), its the barges who are paper thin and weaksauce.
Yeah against rats, against a torp raven it just means you get targeted first for the nice loot
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand
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Posted - 2008.03.24 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: Willow Falls
Quote: A T2-tanked Hulk has about 25K effective HP. So if that brutix burned through 5K HP in ten seconds, it would take him close to a minute to chew through properly tanked hulk.
Erm, no it wont. not unless they handily found a way to spread all of their damage out across all the damage types.
I haven't run the numbers myself, but I know that you can use shield hardeners + a tech 2 damage control to achieve a high HP and fairly even resistances. It's what I usually mine in if I'm in high sec. ---------------- Tarminic - 34 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.79.3 (Updated 3/24) |
Daylen Drazzi
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.24 16:16:00 -
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As my posts mentioning jihad are removed so too do I demand that any posts mentioning crusade be likewise removed
"Ya see us Goons neva lose, If we'r dead, we'r dead so nobody cares, If'n we win we'v won, so's only we cares If'n we run away we always come back later so Goons neva lose ya see?" |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.03.24 16:28:00 -
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How to stop being a victim of the "Goonhad" ? Shelf your cargo-expanded Hulk, shelf your T2 mining lasers, shelf your expensive fitings. Get a Covetor, fit it with T1 stripminers and a baseline tank, and mine in peace until the end of times.
Sure, it's a oh-so-big drop in mining income, from the awesome 10 mil per hour to something like maybe just 6.5 mil per hour. On the other hand, you're flying a 30-mil ISK ship, and in case it's also insured (the hell, why not, just for laughs) almost doesn't set you back at all ISK-wise.
Greedy much ? Pay toll. To Goons
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Jakke Logan
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.24 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T How to stop being a victim of the "Goonhad" ? Shelf your cargo-expanded Hulk, shelf your T2 mining lasers, shelf your expensive fitings. Get a Covetor, fit it with T1 stripminers and a baseline tank, and mine in peace until the end of times.
Sure, it's a oh-so-big drop in mining income, from the awesome 10 mil per hour to something like maybe just 6.5 mil per hour. On the other hand, you're flying a 30-mil ISK ship, and in case it's also insured (the hell, why not, just for laughs) almost doesn't set you back at all ISK-wise.
Greedy much ? Pay toll. To Goons
There is no safety in becoming a dhimmi to the jihadswarm. Fly whatever you want to mine in. Just make sure to keep your friends close and CONCORD closer.
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Jakke Logan
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.24 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Willow Falls
Quote: A T2-tanked Hulk has about 25K effective HP. So if that brutix burned through 5K HP in ten seconds, it would take him close to a minute to chew through properly tanked hulk.
Erm, no it wont. not unless they handily found a way to spread all of their damage out across all the damage types.
I haven't run the numbers myself, but I know that you can use shield hardeners + a tech 2 damage control to achieve a high HP and fairly even resistances. It's what I usually mine in if I'm in high sec.
Also keep in mind that defense rigs are fairly cheap. It wouldn't be very hard to get 60%+ across the board defenses. That plus a repper, plus drones, plus remote reppers should allow a hulk to survive the alpha strike long enough for the jihadswarm to be CONCORDED.
Yes, this requires miners to fit less than optimal mining setups. But they really won't be losing much if they had high skills+gang bonuses to begin with.
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Jakke Logan
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.24 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: AleRiperKilt
Originally by: Jakke Logan
2. Logistics ships. These should be a combination of remote reppers and drone reppers. Assign drones to rep each barge. Remote rep the barge that gets primaried. The goal here is to survive the critical seconds it will take CONCORD to respond. T1 cruisers will do fine for this.
I don't think the repair cycle of remote reppers will give you enough time to survive a goon suicide attack. A Brutix with 7 Heavy Neutron Blasters I can blow your hulk in less than 10 seconds if you don't tank it.
I was warping out from the Ice Field in Vaurent when a goon started flashing red. Check the killmail:
Originally by: killmail
2008.03.23 18:24
Victim: Tiraeus Alliance: Vanguard. Corp: Mutually Assured Destruction Destroyed: Hulk System: Vaurent Security: 0.6 Damage Taken: 4880
Involved parties:
Name: Garregus (laid the final blow) Security: -0.3 Alliance: GoonSwarm Corp: GoonFleet Ship: Brutix Weapon: Heavy Neutron Blaster I Damage Done: 4880
Destroyed items:
Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II
Dropped items:
Ice Harvester I Ice Harvester I Ice Harvester I Blue Ice, Qty: 12 (Cargo) Hammerhead I, Qty: 3 (Drone Bay)
See the destroyed/dropped items?... no tank at all. With everything going on this dude didn't fit a thing in mids?
To make it hard: - Tank your barges/exhumers (train and fit shield extenders) - Keep them moving (fit afterburner, set orbit 3km around roid, makes it harder to hit you with smartbombs)
Now instead of remote repping, maybe remote shield projectors if there is such a module, I dunno, I'm gallente so I armor tank :p
You are suggesting exactly what I meant.
It's important for the miners to fit a tank with a repper to give the drones/logistics repair ships enough time to help them.
Also, excellent suggestion for the miners to be moving, since orbiting doesn't cut mining efficiency at all and will take bombs out of the picture and will help mitigate gun damage.
Also, it would be a good idea for the logistics ships to start their repair cycle on their designated miner upon sighting a gang coming after them.
My idea is to have at least 1 dedicated logistic for each hulk.
Another idea: Sounds to me like it would be a lucrative business for logistics polits in highsec to earn some money hiring themselves out to miners, doesn't it?
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Wyrd Girlz
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.24 16:58:00 -
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Quote: Also keep in mind that defense rigs are fairly cheap. It wouldn't be very hard to get 60%+ across the board defenses. That plus a repper, plus drones, plus remote reppers should allow a hulk to survive the alpha strike long enough for the jihadswarm to be CONCORDED.
I allmost agree with you there except for a couple of things, 1. If someone is remote shield boosting you then drop your own shield rep as it isnt going to do a thing and by dropping it you can get not 60% across the board but more like 80%+ if fitted with a damage control. 2. Drones arent going to help you either unless you mean using ecm drones which add at least a small possibility of jamming.
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RigelKentaurus
Flying Tartiflette Caldari Deep Space Industral
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Posted - 2008.03.24 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: Jakke Logan Another idea: Sounds to me like it would be a lucrative business for logistics polits in highsec to earn some money hiring themselves out to miners, doesn't it?
The question is: are you willing to pay your ships two three times their current price? _________
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand
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Posted - 2008.03.24 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Wyrd Girlz
Quote: Also keep in mind that defense rigs are fairly cheap. It wouldn't be very hard to get 60%+ across the board defenses. That plus a repper, plus drones, plus remote reppers should allow a hulk to survive the alpha strike long enough for the jihadswarm to be CONCORDED.
I allmost agree with you there except for a couple of things, 1. If someone is remote shield boosting you then drop your own shield rep as it isnt going to do a thing and by dropping it you can get not 60% across the board but more like 80%+ if fitted with a damage control. 2. Drones arent going to help you either unless you mean using ecm drones which add at least a small possibility of jamming.
Why wouldn't repair drones help? They have a 5 second cycle time and almost as effective as a medium shield booster. ---------------- Tarminic - 34 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.79.3 (Updated 3/24) |
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