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Dacryphile
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Posted - 2009.10.25 21:31:00 -
[751]
bump for being a good guide that I referenced for a newb.
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Hellen Highwater
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Posted - 2009.10.29 14:21:00 -
[752]
If you dont like people salvaging your missions ensure that all wrecks are never outside you turret/missile range so that you can pop the wreck before a salvager manages to salvage them. Personally I enjoy the 'Get the salvager killed' mini game, most salvagers are very dim and easy to get killed, otherwise they would be doing something else with there time other than scrounging the dregs of other peoples missions. I dont get salvagers in my missions anymore but i miss them. They are not all brain dead though, some are just trying to provoke you so that there corp mates can kill you so dont attack them directly, just use the NPC's to kill them. Most importantantly ensure thay never get anything form you mission.
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semprorrr
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Posted - 2009.11.02 19:50:00 -
[753]
TBH, having read most of the threads in this post and having ran missions upto L4 myself, some of which have been nija salvaged. As well as having lost billions of isk worth of ships and fitting in both empire and in low/0.sec. I have to say, come on guys, **** happens deal with it. The sad thing about all this, is that there are peaple out there, regardless of age, that think they are either some kind of uba bad ass or being abused in some way by others. After all it only a game.
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Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.11.02 20:25:00 -
[754]
what do I do against Ninja Bots that Im beginning to see more frequently now? Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 11OCT09
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Jacqueri Calroszian
The Program Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.11.03 07:54:00 -
[755]
While I would normally equate the competency of your average ninja-salvager to that of one of my nose-hairs, even then, I think they would have a hard time following this guide.
Plus, not only does it teach you how to ninja-salvage, how to probe, and how to gank (at least somewhat), it also teaches you how to be a complete jackass. God knows Eve wouldn't be anything special were it not for your average online jackass.
Nicely done.
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Riedle
Minmatar Raptus Regalitor
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Posted - 2009.11.03 13:25:00 -
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Quote: dont get salvagers in my missions anymore but i miss them. They are not all brain dead though, some are just trying to provoke you so that there corp mates can kill you so dont attack them directly, just use the NPC's to kill them.
FAIL.
Corp mates don't get aggro rights when shooting a looter in your mission.
Who's dim now?
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Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.11.03 19:13:00 -
[757]
oh thats when you start rolling a suicide ganker to hang around in a destroyer in your missions. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 11OCT09
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.11.03 21:01:00 -
[758]
Originally by: Nova Fox oh thats when you start rolling a suicide ganker to hang around in a destroyer in your missions.
Generally, any ship that could actually be one-volleyed by a destroyer is going to be far cheaper...not to mention the sec status loss. |
Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.11.04 10:22:00 -
[759]
Edited by: Nova Fox on 04/11/2009 10:22:02
Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Originally by: Nova Fox oh thats when you start rolling a suicide ganker to hang around in a destroyer in your missions.
Generally, any ship that could actually be one-volleyed by a destroyer is going to be far cheaper...not to mention the sec status loss.
I know just want to add risk to thier end. There are alot of carebare ninjas out there.
I also dont get the ninjas often enough that sec status becomes a problem. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 11OCT09
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Nylan Faust
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Posted - 2009.11.14 11:32:00 -
[760]
[Mockery]-Executioner Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II
1MN Afterburner II Cap Recharger II
Salvager I Salvager I
Small Salvage Tackle I Small Salvage Tackle I Small Salvage Tackle I
Works fine without the tackles, but it's oh so fast with them. Cherry pick all the loot, and scream over faster than a tractor can pull. 16 million in salvage in 15 minutes, off a Sansha Level 4 mission.
But to ask a question, has anyone had any luck ransoming mission objective items back to the missioner? I score a good set of mission objectives, and am unsure what to ask of the guy that may be within reason.
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IceBergSlim
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Posted - 2009.11.15 10:22:00 -
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omfg, 'ninja' salvaging is soooooo f***ing lame and childish.
seriously, if this is your preferred method of online gaming then you most definitely need to get laid more.
'ninja-salvaging', my oh my oh my.......bahahahahahahahhaaa
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Fat Buddah
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Posted - 2009.11.16 02:40:00 -
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This is very good but I wish you add a more detail about how to get out alive in an EPIC fail situation.
I don't ninja salvage. I rather 'attract' ninja salvagers in my missions, but I do have great respect toward SN coz from what I have observed they 1. generally leave when I do my own salvage 2. survive multiple webs and scrambles from NPC
Now that's SN but some others....
I have seen countless times aspiring ninja salvages in frigs get webbed and scrambled to death. In some occasions they loot my wrecks too before losing their ships from NPC aggro..(targeting the red blinking pod is fun) I generally try to warn them of coming new spawn or about scrambling frigs I haven't agrroed yet, but these things do happen sometimes.
So I think if you could add a little paragraph or so about getting out of such situation it would be real good for noobs trying their first ninja salvage.
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Solomar Espersei
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.11.16 14:02:00 -
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@ Fat Buddah, I'm glad you point that out. As we learn the ropes, we do lose ships; sometimes quite a few ships in fact, but that's part of the fun. Seriously, I think a lot of mission runners don't get the fact that jumping into these Lv 4 missions when they're still very hot, in a T1 frigate can be a very dangerous way to play EVE. It's an exciting part of the gig and learning when to salvage at top speed and when to GTFO is part of the learning curve.
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Bouchement
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Posted - 2009.11.16 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Polly Prissypantz
Originally by: Myshella Drake
Originally by: Polly Prissypantz All the time and effort you clueless noobs put into stealing other peoples salvage could easily be put into something more useful... Like I don't know... Running your own missions and you'd actually make more ISK for your time to boot. But don't let my logical arguments get in the way of you being a jackass.
Your point is troll?, i can make more money on lvl 4s than i can mining in hulk but i still mine...does that make me a noob?
I know this is just a game and all, and the anonymity that 'teh internets' makes being a jackass extremely tempting, but there's so many options in Eve on what you can do for enjoyment and satisfaction. You may think it's not the case, but how you get your kicks in-game is a direct reflection of what you're like in real life (or at least, what you'd like to be like in real life if there weren't bigger, badder people inclined to show you the error of your ways were you to act that way in real life).
Now, some people choose to be peaceful and carebear and don't really get in anyone's way. Others choose to go live out in 0.0 and shoot at each other, where the challenge is real and any killing/greifing is generally an accepted way of life. Then there's low-sec pirates who, for the most part aren't too bad since after all, they are in low-sec, so if they gank you it's mostly your own fault.
And then there's lowlife losers who do crap like can flipping, suicide-ganking and stealing other peoples salvage knowing full well that there's not much the victim can do about it (for the record I've never been a victim of any of these activities, so sorry, no 'carebear tears' from me (I figured I wasn't being cool unless I included 'carebear tears' in my post since all the cool kids are)). Now I know, these are all well within the rules of the game. I'm not arguing against that. But at the end of the day, you know that there's another person on the other end who you're directly impacting by your lame choice of entertainment and self-gratification. Rather than putting any attempt into actually going out and challenging yourself, you'd rather take the easy route and just pick on the easy targets and then pat yourselves on the back at a job well done.
Each to his own I guess. Some people just aspire to be at the bottom of the barrel since it's so easy to achieve.
WHOSE RESPONSIBLE THIS?!?!?!
No seriously, your logic and hypothesis that how people act in a GAME is a reflection of who they are in real life... are you serious? What are you smoking, and can I have some?
What about Role-playing? A lot of RPG's and FPSs, I've always been a chick character, you often get treated different and can absolutely kill people that let their guard down. I also love ninja salvaging, as most people don't even salvage that I've seen anyways. It's no surprise to anyone that random things happen in EVE, that's part of what makes it so fun.
So explain to me how a 6-4 hockey player can play as a ninja looting chick... am I a secret cross dresser? Am I a bully that secretly is an a-hole in games because there's nobody bigger to teach me a lesson in real life? (there are) Am I a thief in real life, or dishonest?
Please. Step off the high horse. I think you failed after you pointed out that it's just a game, then said "but"....
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Dacryphile
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Posted - 2009.12.03 06:07:00 -
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Had to reference this awesome guide.
/me wonders why it isn't stickied.
Originally by: Doc Robertson ...take a good look at this pic and tell us which one is you.
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Kraelon
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Posted - 2009.12.06 19:02:00 -
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with ninja salvaging, and I believe being a ninja salvager is a legitamate profession in the universe of Eve.
I will address a few points as to why I feel this way, and give solutions to angry mission runners that would like to salvage their missions with little to no competition.
First off, this is a PvP game, and everything is contested. That is the way it is, hi sec or no. PvP occurs everywhere, be it ship combat, undercutting prices on the market, competing for asteroids to mine in highly populated areas, 0.0 sovereignty, etc. Wrecks belong to no one, it is part of game mechanics. Salvaging wrecks is a separate mechanic, that requires training additional skills and fitting seperate modules that are not meant for mission running. It is a separate source of income outside of the mission mechanic, therefore nothing is being "stolen" from the mission runner. If part of the mission requirements were to bring your agent back the salvage of a particular ship, then perhaps things would be different. But that is not the way it is. Wrecks are just contested resources that happen to be spawned from the destruction of any ship, be it an npc ship in a mission or scanned down plex, or a player wreck that got owned by another player or couldn't handle the rats he was fighting.
Most mission runners that are smart and are in it for the isk, know that salvaging their own missions actually lowers their isk per hour. Therefore, most smart mission runners do not salvage their own missions, especially those that have built up high skills and money to run faction or T2 ships and mods for missions. They are able to run through level 4 missions too quickly for salvaging to be profitable. There is also the advantage of gaining lp faster by doing missions in this manner, and if you use your lp just to sell faction mods you purchase, then your income is just being sped up that much more.
Without ninja salvagers, all those left behind wrecks that mission runners arent salvaging go to waste. What does this mean? It means you will be paying more isk for all those rigs you love to put on your ships, because there is so much less salvage being introduced to the market. That, in effect, is taking away from your income as well, because you end up spending more money on your ships.
All of that being said, there are still those who want to salvage their own missions and avoid ninja salvagers. Which is fine, there is nothing wrong with that. Like any possible threat in the game, there are ways to avoid it. For example, you want to buy a Raven Navy Issue on contracts. Do you just buy from a contract that is titled Raven Navy Issue without looking at it, or do you research it first to make sure its not a scam? You research it of course, to make sure you are actually purchasing a CNR, and not a regular Raven. Mission Runners who want to avoid ninja salvagers must also do their research.
Pick a npc corp you want to work for, and pull up their info. Look for the highest quality lvl 4 agent, and see what system he/she is in. What you are looking for is a high quality lvl 4 agent in a backwater system that no one goes to, many corps have these, they exist I promise. Then, run your missions there, and I guarantee you will never see a ninja salvager. I run lvl 4s in a backwater system with only one system connection, and have not once ever had a problem with ninja salvagers. Just avoid main mission hubs that are heavily populated. Its too easy. Later, when you are able to run missions faster and realize salvaging is not profitable for you, then go back to the main mission hubs if you wish.
There is no reason to complain about ninja salvaging. It is a legitamate business that helps the economy, and if you are smart its easy to avoid them.
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SUOL TAKKER
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Posted - 2009.12.11 20:21:00 -
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No matter how you loosers call it. If I kill someone in pvp I prefer to salvage his wreck. If i kill npc in mission, I want my reward. Its doesnt matter if ccp allowing it ing game, its what you are in nature. If you are a "RAT" in real life you'l be a "RAT" in game. I newer salvaget wreck that was not killed by me. That includes pvp wrecks and loot. All of that profit and fun its just an excuse.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Undivided
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Posted - 2009.12.11 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: SUOL TAKKER No matter how you loosers call it. If I kill someone in pvp I prefer to salvage his wreck. If i kill npc in mission, I want my reward. Its doesnt matter if ccp allowing it ing game, its what you are in nature. If you are a "RAT" in real life you'l be a "RAT" in game. I newer salvaget wreck that was not killed by me. That includes pvp wrecks and loot. All of that profit and fun its just an excuse.
3/10. Almost resembles a real emorage post, but your name reveals you.
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Easy Bot
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Posted - 2009.12.18 11:41:00 -
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You're an Evil itself Anyway Great guide and Thanks.
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Gyloz
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Posted - 2010.01.02 20:23:00 -
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wouldnt have a problem with others salvaging my missions, if it at least flagged them
i take my time to do the mission, and take the risks of actually being killed by the rats ( little as they may be), and when i come back to get my salvage, theres nothing i can do about the **** ant who just jumps in, other than attempt to suicide gank with a ship thats likely worth far more than their salvage ship.
in essence, people who salvage others wrecks need to be flagged the same as someone who steals from wrecks..
anyone who complains about carebear missioners doesnt seem to realize that the carebear salvager takes even less risks than the missioner
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Kaian Voskhod
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Posted - 2010.01.03 00:03:00 -
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Edited by: Kaian Voskhod on 03/01/2010 00:05:59 I used to have fun against ninja salvagers.
- 1 Sit in a wreck field with a "salvaging ship" (but with scram and something to kill a frig)
- 2 If a frig comes, let him steal, then kill him (FIRST LOL inside)
- 3 After he warped out, quickly warp out too. Take your pvp ship and return where you were. Some chances he comes back too with a pvp ship.
- 4 PAWN HIM (SECOND LOL or not =)
Another Lolage method
Take 2-3 noob alts with destroyers and arties while youre doing the mission. Wait for the salvager Suicide gank it
He will come back so you can cancel your mission... but anyway, he's focked and youre not ^ ^
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A last one maybe and the easiest
Always take your time to shoot at your own wrecks. Never let a ninja earns something from you. You will loose time, it's true but he too.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Undivided
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Posted - 2010.01.03 00:24:00 -
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Quote:
- 1 Sit in a wreck field with a "salvaging ship" (but with scram and something to kill a frig)
- 2 If a frig comes, let him steal, then kill him (FIRST LOL inside)
- 3 After he warped out, quickly warp out too. Take your pvp ship and return where you were. Some chances he comes back too with a pvp ship.
- 4 PAWN HIM (SECOND LOL or not =)
Depending on skills and ships involved, of course...you could very easily die as well.
Quote:
Take 2-3 noob alts with destroyers and arties while youre doing the mission. Wait for the salvager Suicide gank it
He will come back so you can cancel your mission... but anyway, he's focked and youre not ^ ^
You lose many times the ISK that he did...not to mention the fact that most ninjas I've met who don't salvage in something tanked have a ****load of spares ready and fitted up. You waste a lot of time (and utility, as your alts could be used for other things) doing that.
Also, you can only do this for a certain amount of time before having to rat your sec status back up, since just recycling the alts is an exploit?
Quote:
A last one maybe and the easiest
Always take your time to shoot at your own wrecks. Never let a ninja earns something from you. You will loose time, it's true but he too.
okay...?
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Slaydo GAme
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Posted - 2010.01.03 00:43:00 -
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Most of the time I'm indifferent toward them. As long as they don't go blinky red and actually ask first I don't have a problem. most of the time I abandon everything for them simply to be nice.
People need to pay attention to what the wrecks are....gurista is generally **** so I honestly wouldn't care...knock your socks off man, something like angels...I'd prolly get slightly annoyed. If they agitate you that much then shoot your wrecks and move away for an hour to do something else...better yet would be wait for a time when there is less people (night to early morning). Or waste time and after you empty a room clean it out with a slavager before continuing.
I havent really read into it yet(I prolly should) but did probing seriously get that much easier for everyone and their dog? :P lol Still a way to make money, adapt or move on guys...if you run 4s you really shouldn't be *****ing.
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Kaian Voskhod
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Posted - 2010.01.03 10:13:00 -
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Ah, it a little dirty but...
I found another way to **** off ninja salvagers but ...
To have fun of them, i sit out of the station with my main and a suicide gank ship. When i see a probe ship, T2 is better: BAM!
I know all probers aren't nijas, but i have my negative standings with some corps you know =)
Next ? I hope to be wardeced =))))
YARRBEAR? **** Yeah!
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Xan O'Morph
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Posted - 2010.01.03 11:32:00 -
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I'm not sure if its even worth salvaging or looting for me now due to the savage cut in salvage prices which are sill falling in some. Using two highly skilled combat alts I find that most missions are best completed as quickly as possible ie just earn the LP, bounties and completion bonuses, i will try and loot and salvage on the fly.
It would probably pay me to have a ninja salvage tag behind me and clean up if we could both come to an agreeable arangement
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Star Cinder
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Posted - 2010.01.23 07:18:00 -
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Hey guys!
Great guide! thanks very much for posting it. I was wondering if anyone could recommend me a good spot where people are doing lvl 4 missions. I'm near The Citadel region and was hoping to find something close. Thanks!
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Dacryphile
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Posted - 2010.01.23 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Scanning Read this first.
CCP ****ed up the wiki page, it no longer displays anything.
Originally by: Doc Robertson ...take a good look at this pic and tell us which one is you.
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ChainSOV
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Posted - 2010.01.28 11:42:00 -
[778]
here is the working link
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Commander Rahl
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Posted - 2010.01.29 23:05:00 -
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Thanks for this guide! just successfully probed my first mission runner. he was in a harbinger. i started salvaging the wrecks and he immediately invited me to a convo and started yelling at me. He then said that if i continued, I would be dead. He started attacking me(.7 system by the way) LOL but i got away before he could kill me. I then warped back to find the wreck of his harbinger. Looted, salvaged it. Told him about it in the private chat. He yelled at me some more, threatened to kill me in real life, etc.
Good times.
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price checkinho
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Posted - 2010.01.30 11:13:00 -
[780]
Edited by: price checkinho on 30/01/2010 11:13:39
Originally by: IceBergSlim omfg, 'ninja' salvaging is soooooo f***ing lame and childish.
seriously, if this is your preferred method of online gaming then you most definitely need to get laid more.
'ninja-salvaging', my oh my oh my.......bahahahahahahahhaaa
I get laid so much and love to ninja salvage, your post just makes me want to ask my wife for a BJ while I ninja salvage YOU.
PS to OP the guide is great.
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