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Barzam
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.03.26 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Overwhelmed EVE is a universe where everyone has guns and wants everyone else's money. The center is crawling with police. Surrounding the center is an area where the police are afraid to leave major travel routes because it is crawling with extremely violent gangs. On the outskirts (0.0), we have exclusive clans trying to build picket fences around their homes. Insurance fraud is common.
So you see, Americans pay less because they aren't necessarily getting a unique experience from EVE.
Oh man. Subtle, humorous, well-written. You don't belong on Eve-O!!
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Andrue
Hammers Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.26 18:13:00 -
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Edited by: Andrue on 26/03/2008 18:15:56 Edited by: Andrue on 26/03/2008 18:14:04
Originally by: torswin I love paying in USD. I'm from Norway and since we are not in the European Union (thank goodness for that) we don't need to pay in Euro!
In other words, I get a cheap subscription fee!
Ignorance can be a dangerous thing.
Surprise!
..economically you are a member of the EU.
That might mean that you are subject to the consequences of the EES law like the rest of us. It's interesting though if you can pay in $ via CCP's subscription page. I can't. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran)
[Brackley, UK]
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torswin
Silver Snake Enterprise
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Posted - 2008.03.26 19:00:00 -
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Edited by: torswin on 26/03/2008 19:06:37 Foreign trade doesn't have to pay VAT if they are under the limit of 200 NOK (USD 38.40, EUR 24.70).
VAT used to be 30 % by the way (if I remember correctly). Yes I know we are in the EES but it doesn't make us a fully economically member of EU as it doesn't apply to all fields of our economy.
And you can't use EURO for payment (please fix your 2-euro coin. looking at that ***** is rather disturbing) )
However economy and politics is not my field of education so I don't want to go deeper into that. --- Unless explicitly stated, this post does not represent my alliance, corporation, my own, or any other living organism's view. |
Ulstan
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.03.26 19:23:00 -
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Wow, the amounts of idiocy and misconceptions in this thread are truly epic.
It's obvious that very few people can be bothered to travel abroad and spend some real time in countries they weren't born in, and actually get to know the people living there.
As far as I can tell, the entire western world is doomed if the people in this thread are any indication. Europe will be entirely replaced by muslims in the next generation or so anyway.
A particularly choice gem:
Quote: Well considering that the average american IQ lies way below that of even a polish person it doesnt surprise me.
Seriously, to even begin to put credence in this kind of junk science indicates several mental deficiencies.
But hey, people believe what makes them feel good, not what makes the most sense.
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Kyra Felann
Noir. Blue Federation
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Posted - 2008.03.26 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: Hirana Yoshida a far stronger economy with better regulation
Those two are mutually exclusive. The more government regulation, the more the economy suffers.
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Kweel Nakashyn
Aeden Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.03.26 20:03:00 -
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Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 26/03/2008 20:03:37 I am not very sure CCP still reads these topics anymore. Anyway it would be kind if those paying in Euro could have a free service that would cost nothing to CCP.
I'm thinking about power of two.
- edit - This question have to be posed to CSM candidates. 2isk
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Karlemgne
Flying Under the Influence Visions of Warfare
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Posted - 2008.03.26 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: Andrue
We are jealous of their large houses
Funny, I'm a 30 year old graduate student and haven't lived in a "large house" since I lived with my parents. In fact, everyone I know (aka friends and fellow students) lives in crapy appartments that are either $1500 a month or $1000 a month when subsidized by universities.
Granted, I live in southern California, however I formerly worked in the video game industry, and even the friends there who are paid well don't usually live in "large" houses.
In fact, I think the experience of the vast majority of Americans is not, in anyway, attached to "large" individualy owned homes.
Quote: the fantastic scenery
Are you like most Europeans who believe that America is all open spaces and nice little diners along side open stretches of freeway? We do have some great scenery here, if you can afford to visit it. Most of us, however, live in big cities and spend our days staring at dirty streets and tremendous poverty, which brings me to my next point...
Quote: and the relative ease with which you can make an independant living if you don't fancy being a corporate slave.
What dream world do you live in? Its marginally easier to start your own business in the United States (80% of which fail btw), but look at the levels of poverty and income inequality. The absolute higest in the "developed" world, and typically, if you want to be "middle-class" in the United States you've got to work for: 1. The government 2. Corporate entities.
Quote: It's more important where your roots are and what you are used to. If you are the kind of person that can break free of the corporate tread mill and have the guts and ability to forge your own way then the US is the place to go.
Yep, and over 80% of the people who try this fall smack on their face in the first two years. When you do fall smack on your face, there is little to no social saftey net. You'll find that you are unable to go to the doctor if you're sick, lose your car (which you need because we have no efficient mass transit), your apartment, everything.
This might actually happen if you DON'T fall on your face.
Quote: OTOH the consequences of failing in the US are harsher than they are in the UK.
Indeed.
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Basileus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.03.27 00:15:00 -
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Indeed. Americans pay a whole lot less. So, either raise the american fee, or lower the European. Since loweing prices are about as likely as hell freezing over, I suggest CCP raise the american subscription price. Till it hurts.
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Quelque Chose
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.03.27 00:18:00 -
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Originally by: Basileus Indeed. Americans pay a whole lot less. So, either raise the american fee, or lower the European. Since loweing prices are about as likely as hell freezing over, I suggest CCP raise the american subscription price. Till it hurts.
Nah. I think they should double the euro rate as a means of subsidizing their dollar client base. ______________________________
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Thorradin
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.27 01:04:00 -
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Originally by: Malar
Originally by: Voculus
Quote: Now the fun starts. As US economy crumbles and european economy fluorishes
European economy flourishing? Since when? You consider 10% unemployment great, and 15% acceptable. Here, that would be the beginning of another Great Derpression.
Fluorishing was a relative term as in compared to the US economy.
Since when is record low unemployment and record high (until the housing bubble finally burst) stock strength somehow crumbling? The US economy has been stronger than the entire EU economy before, and is still very strong.
The thing with being here is, you work for what you want, you are not given it, even though there are people trying to make that happen. Some employers are very generous when it comes to insurance and perks, others are not. I've seen a friend turn down a 70k a year job for a 60k a year job because the perks for working with the company were better, probably was worth more in the end as well.
I can't understand how people can like the healthcare in the uk or canada more than the US, unless they simply never had gotten themselves proper cover here. You don't wait months for surgery and the only real downside is drug costs, which is one of many flaws in having an ever expanding federal government that needs a diet badly.
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Andrue
Hammers Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.27 07:55:00 -
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Edited by: Andrue on 27/03/2008 08:03:21
Originally by: Thorradin
I can't understand how people can like the healthcare in the uk or canada more than the US, unless they simply never had gotten themselves proper cover here. You don't wait months for surgery and the only real downside is drug costs, which is one of many flaws in having an ever expanding federal government that needs a diet badly.
You don't understand the UK probably because you think it's like Canada. In the UK private healthcare cover is legal and a common perk from your employer. That means that for a lot of the working population and their families there are no waits. Even for those without private health cover the waits aren't as bad as they used to be.
If some poor elderly sod that cleans offices part-time needs a hip-replacement they get one within a few months. If they then fall and damage their shoulder they get that fixed as well. Doesn't cost them anything and no-one quibbles over it. That's what I like about it. There's no means testing and everyone is covered regardless of income but if you have the money to pay for a better level of service then you can. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran)
[Brackley, UK]
My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned. |
Andrue
Hammers Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.27 08:22:00 -
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Edited by: Andrue on 27/03/2008 08:24:33
Originally by: Karlemgne In fact, I think the experience of the vast majority of Americans is not, in anyway, attached to "large" individualy owned homes.
I never said it was. What I meant was that if I were to move to the US then I would likely end up buying a house that was a bit larger than I would buy in the same kind of location in the UK. What we consider to be a small apartment you would probably consider to be a broom cupboard with plumbing.
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Originally by: Andrue the fantastic scenery
Are you like most Europeans who believe that America is all open spaces and nice little diners along side open stretches of freeway?
No, of course not. I am however a resident of the UK that has lived for several months in the US curtesy of my employer. The difference is that although in the UK I can get in a car and drive it's mostly just farmland. There are a few relatively uninhabited areas (and to us the country means a village or town every five or six miles) but not many. It's pleasant enough but nothing like the variety of the US or continental Europe.
Both the scenery aspect and the house size aspect should be considered in terms of land area. You don't sound like you know much about the UK or haven't noticed that's where I live. It help you to understand my viewpoint if I point out that I live on an Island with the roughly the same area as Oregon populated by over 60 million people most of whom live in the southern half. It is one of the most densely populated countries on the planet.
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Originally by: Andrue and the relative ease with which you can make an independant living if you don't fancy being a corporate slave.
What dream world do you live in? Its marginally easier to start your own business in the United States...
Thank you. That's basically what I wrote. Or did you somehow misunderstand the phrase "relative ease".
Yes of course it's still difficult but if you have the skills and inclination it's easier to score it big. Scoring it big in the UK is a lot harder and not helped by the general population hating your guts for being successful.
But as I said - it mostly evens out. I don't want to move to the US. I went there to help my employer and exchange information and practices and I was happy to come back. I saw a lot of America in those months as I visited their various offices. It's still all relative though. If you grow up in a place you become used to it. You think it's normal - I think it's large. You might want to try coming here for six months. I love it but you'll probably think you're living in a shoebox and that the entire country is overrun by traffic jams. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran)
[Brackley, UK]
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Ceirah
SUBLIME L.L.C. SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.27 09:32:00 -
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Originally by: Happy Merchant well lets see, here in the US our nation minimum wage is what 5.45 an hour... what is the minimum wage in europe... something like 10 euro .... I could be wrong but you need to lower your minimum wage to match ours before you make a stink about unfair pay.
I live in EU (Estonia) minimum wage here is 1.75 euros/hr. I dont know where do you take your numbers from.
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Inconstant Moon
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.03.27 10:57:00 -
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Originally by: Andrue Do you also love reducing CCP's revenue by 50%?
...because that's what you're doing.
With the state of things at the moment, nothing would give me greater pleasure.
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Fish Fingers
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Posted - 2008.03.31 09:39:00 -
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Edited by: Fish Fingers on 31/03/2008 09:39:20
Originally by: Happy Merchant well lets see, here in the US our nation minimum wage is what 5.45 an hour... what is the minimum wage in europe... something like 10 euro .... I could be wrong but you need to lower your minimum wage to match ours before you make a stink about unfair pay.
Are you for real? Do you know the tax levels in Europe compared to the american ones?
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F'nog
Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce
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Posted - 2008.03.31 09:51:00 -
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Originally by: Fish Fingers Edited by: Fish Fingers on 31/03/2008 09:39:20
Originally by: Happy Merchant well lets see, here in the US our nation minimum wage is what 5.45 an hour... what is the minimum wage in europe... something like 10 euro .... I could be wrong but you need to lower your minimum wage to match ours before you make a stink about unfair pay.
Are you for real? Do you know the tax levels in Europe compared to the american ones?
You should really begin by attacking their minimum wage number, which is much higher in many states.
But I digress...
HOW has this gone to so many pages when countless others have died off after less?
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
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Sal Steiner
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.03.31 17:03:00 -
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This is the first time in history the US has gotten a "better price" on anything. We pay more for medicine. Why? Because they can get away with charging more here, so we pay the R&D bill. With WoW Americans got to pay an extra $10 on the Burning Crusade expansion so that Asian countries could get it drastically reduced/free.
Lower/Middle class Americans are in a huge squeeze right now, partially because of the plummeting dollar. The people arent trying to make their currency worth nothing.
Don't begrudge America for getting a good deal for once in their lives on something, particularly when times are the toughest now on working Americans since the great depression.
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Estel Arador
AFK
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Posted - 2008.03.31 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Sal Steiner Don't begrudge America for getting a good deal for once in their lives on something, particularly when times are the toughest now on working Americans since the great depression.
Ah, your economy is going downhill faster than a T2 nano-frigate with an officer MWD engaged and you're still seeing the 'good deals' you're getting. Good for you!
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