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000Hunter000	Posted - 2008.03.29 22:53:00 - [1] Now, i couldn't care less if goonies blow up another hulk or not, but what i am rather disturbed about is the fact there using religous terms to do so. Tbh i think ccp should ban the lot if they keep up their appearance of a holy war, esp in current times. Now i'm from the Netherlands myself and i can't really smile about some ***weed screaming 'Allahu Akbar' in local esp due to current events which i will not go into any further here (cuz ccp will block my ass if i do) cmon ccp, ur locking threads in the 'out of topic' section of the forums, why not block some people cough* goonies cough who use this term ingame as well? _______________________________________________________ CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Marcus TheMartin	Posted - 2008.03.29 22:55:00 - [2] Edited by: Marcus TheMartin on 29/03/2008 22:55:18 CCP to be bombed by militants due to serious bizness also paranoid op is paranoid Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
000Hunter000	Posted - 2008.03.29 23:00:00 - [3] Just asking for equall rights tbh, if ccp blocks people from using this **** on their forums they should block (aka ban) people from using said terms ingame as well. i couldn't care less about religion in any form, i just hate it when people abuse it under false pretence. if they wanna make it religious and keep it in the spirit of the game they should scream something in the line of 'for the God Emperor!' or something. _______________________________________________________ CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Sereifex Daku	Posted - 2008.03.29 23:08:00 - [4] Originally by: 000Hunter000 Just asking for equall rights tbh, if ccp blocks people from using this **** on their forums they should block (aka ban) people from using said terms ingame as well. i couldn't care less about religion in any form, i just hate it when people abuse it under false pretence. if they wanna make it religious and keep it in the spirit of the game they should scream something in the line of 'for the God Emperor!' or something. Your logic is flawed because what happens inside the game..happens inside the game. CCP staff have stated on numerous occasions thateven if you don't roleplay, you are still part of the story. The news service does a report on an alliance invading some system even if they don't rp. so what happens inside eve (no matter how ludicrous) is part of the story. The forum, on the other hand, are not part of the story (with the exception of the in-character alliance/corporation related forums).
Malcanis	Posted - 2008.03.29 23:10:00 - [5] CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Marcus TheMartin	Posted - 2008.03.29 23:11:00 - [6] Originally by: Malcanis Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
000Hunter000	Posted - 2008.03.29 23:15:00 - [7] logic? i'm just stating i don't like the part where some jerks use RL terms ingame where we all know damn well there just doing it cuz it's a popular term! No double standards, i think goonies using RL religious terms in game is bad. _______________________________________________________ CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Malcanis	Posted - 2008.03.29 23:16:00 - [8] Originally by: 000Hunter000 logic? i'm just stating i don't like the part where some jerks use RL terms ingame where we all know damn well there just doing it cuz it's a popular term! No double standards, i think goonies using RL religious terms in game is bad. Yeah well. I don't like you. I think you're bad. What now? CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Constance Noring	Posted - 2008.03.29 23:22:00 - [9] By OP logic CCP should also ban phrases like "holy flying spaghetti monster!" and "it", offensive to members of the church of the flying spaghetti monster and knights who say ni!, respectively.
Marcus TheMartin	Posted - 2008.03.29 23:23:00 - [10] As a scientologist I find anonymous forum alts offensive and they should be removed Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Ogul	Posted - 2008.03.29 23:25:00 - [11] Quite the contrary. Suicide ganking in the name of jihad/allah/whatever should happen exclusively in a virtual setting. --- Don't put your trust in revolutions. They always come around again. That's why they're called revolutions. People die, and nothing changes.
EnslaverOfMinmatar	Posted - 2008.03.29 23:26:00 - [12] Allah is a fictional entity, just like the God Emperor you mentioned, just like Jesus Christ, Buddah, etc. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Billy Sastard	Posted - 2008.03.29 23:26:00 - [13] I call bullsh*t... This is an imaginary spaceship universe, its just some stupid terminology they are using anyway. If we want to go there however, I think CCP should completely revamp the Amarr backstory as there are too many resemblances to RL religious sects... This is a rediculous topic. -=^=- Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Surfin's PlunderBunny GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.29 23:31:00 - [14] The OP -----> ------------------Sig-------------------------- J. Kerouac said it best in The Vanity of Duluoz: "Go droppeth a turd."
Fletus Aragor Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.03.29 23:36:00 - [15] I find it offensive that people take religion so seriously. And I am totally neutral on the whole suicide gank thing.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.03.29 23:45:00 - [16] Actually, CCP closes discussions about religion(s) (in particular, preference towards one or another), because it tends to lead to "excessive and useless flaming". The same reason why they close down discussions about real-life politics. Neither of those are "banned" per se (as in, resulting in forum bans), they're just prophilactically closed down. On the other hand, in-game religion RP and in-game politics, those you can talk about as much as you like. 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
000Hunter000 Missiles 'R' Us	Posted - 2008.03.29 23:50:00 - [17] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: 000Hunter000 logic? i'm just stating i don't like the part where some jerks use RL terms ingame where we all know damn well there just doing it cuz it's a popular term! No double standards, i think goonies using RL religious terms in game is bad. Yeah well. I don't like you. I think you're bad. What now? I lolled U can always wardec me _______________________________________________________ CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!!
Marcus TheMartin Tuxedo.	Posted - 2008.03.29 23:50:00 - [18] Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar Allah is a fictional entity, just like the God Emperor you mentioned, just like Jesus Christ, Buddah, etc. Dune is not fiction THE SPICE WILL FLOW
Treean Ivy League Research Foundation Ivy League	Posted - 2008.03.29 23:52:00 - [19] Damn terrorists. Unlike real life, they can do it again. Now if only they were as amusing as Achmed The Dead Terrorist instead of some random e-tards.
Zifrian Gallente Federal Bank Interstellar Corporate Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.29 23:53:00 - [20] Edited by: Zifrian on 29/03/2008 23:56:12 I still have yet to be convinced they are actually in a 'jihad' as it is defined. The Goon rp story is a bit thin on that side imo. It seems they just want to be **s and get attention, not really be engaging in something they see as a holy struggle. This is probably obvious to most people though. I'd be more impressed if they were all Amarr and fought against the evil embodied in the other races and would suicide attack anyone**in empire space because they believe those there mining or doing whatever to be sacrilegious. However, the main opposition of this 'jihad' would be in Amarr space, being that they are defending their homeland etc. Of course going to other regions would be akin to attacking in "the heart of enemy territory", so they could justify it there too. But this whole only attacking hulks in empire (one said they wouldn't take out a retriever because it's "not worth it") is a stretch to be a real RP campaign. Add in the fact they get their ship insured and they don't actually lose anything (pod for example) it just doesn't fly for me. I realize that it's a bit difficult to simulate a real suicide attack since we are all cloned, etc but they really don't lose that much in the long run it seems. If you are going to RP it, RP it. As far as the connection to religion, it should be (or not) be dealt with in the TOS.
Surfin's PlunderBunny GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.29 23:55:00 - [21] Dunecat controls the spice! ------------------Sig-------------------------- J. Kerouac said it best in The Vanity of Duluoz: "Go droppeth a turd."
Atreides Horza No Fear Buccaneers	Posted - 2008.03.30 00:04:00 - [22] Originally by: 000Hunter000 Now, i couldn't care less if goonies blow up another hulk or not, but what i am rather disturbed about is the fact there using religous terms to do so. Tbh i think ccp should ban the lot if they keep up their appearance of a holy war, esp in current times. Now i'm from the Netherlands myself and i can't really smile about some ***weed screaming 'Allahu Akbar' in local esp due to current events which i will not go into any further here (cuz ccp will block my ass if i do) cmon ccp, ur locking threads in the 'out of topic' section of the forums, why not block some people cough* goonies cough who use this term ingame as well? Funny how right-wingers hail the principles of free speech when they preach their own propaganda and racial/cultural slur, all while vigorously pushing for others to be silenced under the banner of 'protecting democracy'. To plunder, to slaughter, to steal, these things they misname empire; and where they make a wilderness, they call it peace. - Tacitus
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.03.30 00:04:00 - [23] Originally by: 000Hunter000 Tbh i think ccp should ban the lot if they keep up their appearance of a holy war, esp in current times. The "in modern times"-type argument (akin to the "too soon"-type argument) holds no water with me. Not now, not ever. No matter what time period it occurs in, religiously motivated violence is far and away the single dumbest category of human-on-human interaction, and it should be mocked as an institution whenever possible. Goonswarm isn't perverting the term Jihad any more than modern fanatics in the real world are, and it would be singularly inappropriate to punish the Goons because they reference a hot-button topic.
Herio Mortis 54th Knights Templar THORN Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.30 00:06:00 - [24] Ah, political correctness in language. You know, I never believed in that, not will I ever do so. The current trend towards PC language is disturbing really, it's a slippery slope leading to newspeak, and newspeak is doubleplusungood. Banning players because they said something that another player might find insulting or 'disturibing'. Heck, might just as well start banning anyone that smacks in local if you start doing that.
Ringleader Poor and Peaceful	Posted - 2008.03.30 00:13:00 - [25] Please let me be the first in line to make fun of any religions holy characters. They are all a mockery to intelligent people! It its my DEMOCRATIC right to think you are morons to follow any church just as it your right to hate me, but you dont see me running around bombing people just cause i dont like relgion so please crawl under the trollstone you came from!
Zeba Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.30 00:14:00 - [26] FFS hasn't this very topic been covered ad nauseam in the plethora of other goonie threads? --------------------- Q: WTF! Why?! A: Because I can. ---------------------
ZW Dewitt Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.03.30 00:20:00 - [27] PETA is offended by your use of the term "Hunter" as it promotes the sensless killing of animals of all kinds.
Kharadran Sullath Noir. Blue Federation	Posted - 2008.03.30 00:21:00 - [28] Edited by: Kharadran Sullath on 30/03/2008 00:23:00 Let me guess... you're offended due to the recent troubles with your nation's Muslim minority, which relates especially to the death of a certain filmmaker. Even though you have my sympathies, you do realize it would make CCP completely hypocritical, and impossible for that matter, to enforce punishments on anyone who offends someone ingame? It just isn't doable. Also, I think Jihadswarm is mainly comedy gold. Also also, see the above post for a summary of my point. ------ Originally by: Graveyard Tan I call bull** and troll. If you are deaf**, how are you even able to read this or type replies?
Higgs Foton Die industries	Posted - 2008.03.30 00:41:00 - [29] Originally by: 000Hunter000 Now i'm from the Netherlands myself and i can't really smile about some **weed screaming 'Allahu Akbar' in local esp due to current events which i will not go into any further here (cuz ccp will block my ass if i do) Quote:** I'm from the Netherlands as well, and i think you are whining. Why don't you start a "fitna" to counter the "jihad"? ___________________________________
doctorstupid2 Blood Corsair's Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.03.30 00:46:00 - [30] Originally by: 000Hunter000 logic? i'm just stating i don't like the part where some jerks use RL terms ingame where we all know damn well there just doing it cuz it's a popular term! No double standards, i think goonies using RL religious terms in game is bad. No double standards, eh? I don't see you starting threads about the Crusader or Inquisitor being offensive. You have taken a history class, I assume. Deadspace2 \| Deadspace \| Fun in FAT-
Koblai	Posted - 2008.03.30 01:05:00 - [31] Quote: Tbh i think ccp should ban the lot if they keep up their appearance of a holy war, esp in current times. I have to disagree with this statement. Consider the earlier references in this thread to the science fiction novel Dune. In Dune the protagonist, Paul Atreides, becomes the messiah or mahdi of the Fremen, and begins a holy war or jihad by destroying the harvesters that provide the Empire with an essential natural resource. Are you really saying that it should be against the rules of Eve to roleplay a race like the Fremen?
Jane Sylari	Posted - 2008.03.30 01:15:00 - [32] Hi, please stop making us dutchies look bad, thanks. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Caleese	Posted - 2008.03.30 01:15:00 - [33] Originally by: 000Hunter000 Now, i couldn't care less if goonies blow up another hulk or not, but what i am rather disturbed about is the fact there using religous terms to do so. Tbh i think ccp should ban the lot if they keep up their appearance of a holy war, esp in current times. Now i'm from the Netherlands myself and i can't really smile about some ***weed screaming 'Allahu Akbar' in local esp due to current events which i will not go into any further here (cuz ccp will block my ass if i do) cmon ccp, ur locking threads in the 'out of topic' section of the forums, why not block some people cough* goonies cough who use this term ingame as well? Please keep your real life prejudice/issues out of my internet computer game tia ----------------- Think of someone you consider of average intelligence... now realise this. Half the worlds population is dumber than that person. How does the world survive such stupidity?
welshman	Posted - 2008.03.30 01:21:00 - [34] if we use the word crusade them the pc lot would be down on people like a ton
Lyria Skydancer	Posted - 2008.03.30 01:22:00 - [35] Originally by: doctorstupid2 Originally by: 000Hunter000 logic? i'm just stating i don't like the part where some jerks use RL terms ingame where we all know damn well there just doing it cuz it's a popular term! No double standards, i think goonies using RL religious terms in game is bad. No double standards, eh? I don't see you starting threads about the Crusader or Inquisitor being offensive. You have taken a history class, I assume. QFT & HAHA & PWND. People should look at ALL the amarr ship names and stfu. Goon references are fine. -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare II
BlondieBC	Posted - 2008.03.30 01:53:00 - [36] JihadSwarm adds color to the game.
Ulstan Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.03.30 01:57:00 - [37] Edited by: Ulstan on 30/03/2008 01:59:20 So you're saying all religious references in game should meet with bannage? Wow! Anyway, not like the netherlands government does anything about jihadists IRL (other than banning anythign remotely critical of them) why should CCP do something about them in a GAME? To be consistent with Europe IRL policty, CCP should probably go around suppressing anyone who says anything bad about the Goons/jidhadswarm.
Marcus TheMartin Tuxedo.	Posted - 2008.03.30 02:17:00 - [38] Originally by: BlondieBC JihadSwarm adds color to the game. too easy to make a minmatar joke
Gikanzin Ravenclaw Manufacturing DeStInY.	Posted - 2008.03.30 02:18:00 - [39] Tbh I can understand how you feel about someone shout that in local channel right before using smartbomb or some other type of module to suicide a ship in empire space. Just be like others and ignore it since most people nowadays just think of terms like these as jokes since they never really experience or thought how others might feel about it. For me I will just brush it off and think of it as just another term used in some action movies or something which a standup comedian might use.
N1fty Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.03.30 02:24:00 - [40] Ultimately pointless thread, is pointless. Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia I usually close my eyes and just beg, out loud added with a lot of squealing. I swear it helps.
El'Niaga Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.03.30 03:25:00 - [41] Originally by: Atreides Horza Edited by: Atreides Horza on 30/03/2008 00:11:35 Originally by: 000Hunter000 Now, i couldn't care less if goonies blow up another hulk or not, but what i am rather disturbed about is the fact there using religous terms to do so. Tbh i think ccp should ban the lot if they keep up their appearance of a holy war, esp in current times. Now i'm from the Netherlands myself and i can't really smile about some ***weed screaming 'Allahu Akbar' in local esp due to current events which i will not go into any further here (cuz ccp will block my ass if i do) cmon ccp, ur locking threads in the 'out of topic' section of the forums, why not block some people cough* goonies cough who use this term ingame as well? Funny how right-wingers hail the principles of free speech when they preach their own propaganda and racial/cultural slur, all while vigorously pushing for others to be silenced under the banner of 'protecting democracy'. Nonetheless, I'd say this belongs in out-of-game... and even still, your argument isn't really an argument, now is it? Just a petition to have CCP remove something stirring some irrational fear inside you. Incidently, I'm afraid of bananas. No, really! So, can I please have CCP remove the celestis-hull from the game? Or we could cater to the (probably very small) minority of feminist gamers finding the phallic nature of the thorax offensive by simply removing them from the game (the thoraxes ofc... not the women). You do see this is getting a bit ridiculous, right? :) Actually if you look at various literature etc, conservatives (the so called right wingers) are far more tolerant of other viewpoints than liberals (the so called left wingers). They also give more money to charity and seek to help their fellow man more than liberals. As far as the OP, the reference to any real world religion should not be allowed in game for the same reasons it is not allowed on the forums.
Daelorn Dark Cartel Synchr0nicity	Posted - 2008.03.30 05:15:00 - [42] Originally by: Face Palmer Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: Malcanis
doctorstupid2	Posted - 2008.03.30 05:48:00 - [43] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: BlondieBC JihadSwarm adds color to the game. too easy to make a minmatar joke rofl Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. Deadspace2 \| Deadspace \| Fun in FAT-
Phroneo Southern Cross Incorporated Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.30 06:09:00 - [44] Originally by: Ulstan Edited by: Ulstan on 30/03/2008 01:59:20 So you're saying all religious references in game should meet with bannage? Wow! Anyway, not like the netherlands government does anything about jihadists IRL (other than banning anythign remotely critical of them) why should CCP do something about them in a GAME? To be consistent with Europe IRL policty, CCP should probably go around suppressing anyone who says anything bad about the Goons/jidhadswarm. QFA Additionally, if the OP actually feels any discomfort with the associated religious group, any mockery and thus disempowerment of the words should be welcome. Cmon', South Park regularly mocks just about everything. It is this freedom to see even terrible things in a humorous light that makes our nations so great. It is suppression of such freedoms so as not to offend some people that is the real danger. I don't believe that anyone who gets very offended (sometimes suicidally or homicidally) over something they have not seen and could not prove, should be taken seriously. Perhaps victims may be offended but they should remember that these Goons are not mocking the human toll of suicide attacks but the crazy ideas behind them. -- It may be that the old astrologers had the truth exactly reversed, when they believed that the stars controlled the destinies of men. The time may come when men control the destinies of stars. ACC
Cypher V	Posted - 2008.03.30 06:43:00 - [45] Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar Allah is a fictional entity, just like the God Emperor you mentioned, just like Jesus Christ, Buddah, etc. I agree, but be careful... God sees all remember? Or was it God ****s us all? I can't remember. ---------------------------------------------- Yeeees, YEEEES! Sell all your Cargo Expander IIs in Jita and Rens... Let MEEE have the profit...
Atreides Horza	Posted - 2008.03.30 07:35:00 - [46] Edited by: Atreides Horza on 30/03/2008 07:35:59 Originally by: El'Niaga Actually if you look at various literature etc, conservatives (the so called right wingers) are far more tolerant of other viewpoints than liberals (the so called left wingers). Pamphlets from the NRA and Fine Young Americans Association isn't literature, in case you didn't know... and if I wanted an answer as to who's tolerant and who's not, I wouldn't be looking for it in literature - contemporary or otherwize. My argument was that it's absurd moaning about free speech in an attempt to silence others. I think it still stands. Originally by: El'Niaga They also give more money to charity and seek to help their fellow man more than liberals. Guess what... Giving money to charities in countries that your government has messed up thoroughly isn't charity either. Originally by: El'Niaga As far as the OP, the reference to any real world religion should not be allowed in game for the same reasons it is not allowed on the forums. That's all kosher with me. Would you mind if we remove all corps with names, rules, badges, bios, etc. referring to real life american military units engaged in fighting all across the middle-east? I'm sure we could whip up a score or more afghans or iraqis who feel threatened by slogans such as 'Death from Above' and all that jazz. Oh wait, maybe they're too busy surviving the 'charity work' of foreign nations in their respective countries. As for the OP, he's got his own agenda. You've got yours. I've got mine. Why not just leave them at the door and play our game without all the fears, prejudices and half-arsed rethorics that are currently making such a mess of the world we live in? To plunder, to slaughter, to steal, these things they misname empire; and where they make a wilderness, they call it peace. - Tacitus
Huntress Irichii	Posted - 2008.03.30 07:57:00 - [47] A) Theo van Gogh was killed a long time ago. /care B) "recent" developments is a crazed politician that just got out a new video in which he completely, utterly incriminates Islam, putting them on the same bench as ****s. Please, let this Jihadswarm blow themselves up more in Eve. My care level nearly explodes.
Polonium 210	Posted - 2008.03.30 08:00:00 - [48] Because if it is not said it does not exists.
Furb Killer	Posted - 2008.03.30 08:39:00 - [49] @huntress, the only thing that politician did (wilders), was start windows movie maker and copy pasted some things from news papers and television. Since when is something wrong with copy pasting FACTS? The only reason anyone cares is because the other dutch politicians are screaming we are all gonna die now. Besides that no one cares. btw, lol @ conservatives less discriminating. That is probably why bush senior would have no problems with deporting all atheists. Why? Because they are atheist...
Rodj Blake	Posted - 2008.03.30 10:03:00 - [50] There are many people out there who find the word "crusader" every bit as offensive as other people find the word "jihad". Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Steve Celeste	Posted - 2008.03.30 10:07:00 - [51] OP needs to snap out of it. Too bad that a lot of ppl from NL think like him.
Ogul	Posted - 2008.03.30 10:15:00 - [52] As far as the NL controversy goes I can only say: Originally by: Nigel Powers There's just two things in this world that I can't stand. It's people who are intolerant of other people's culture ... and the Dutch! --- Don't put your trust in revolutions. They always come around again. That's why they're called revolutions. People die, and nothing changes.
Overwhelmed Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.03.30 10:29:00 - [53] Haven't you heard? You're not cool unless you're offending by everything.
Nanahonka Black Plague. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.30 10:42:00 - [54] To OP: They (Goons) have fun in a game, nothing else.
Karyuudo Tydraad	Posted - 2008.03.30 11:07:00 - [55] TBH I'm offended by violent conflict, particularly because of current events that I will not elaborate further on. I think the word "war" and any synonyms or associated concepts should be removed from the game to force everyone to adhere to my personal tastes as to what constitutes socially acceptable behavior. We are civilized, after all. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
flakeys Tier 3 Technologies Inc Lazy is our middle name	Posted - 2008.03.30 11:17:00 - [56] Edited by: flakeys on 30/03/2008 11:18:59 Originally by: Sereifex Daku Originally by: 000Hunter000 Just asking for equall rights tbh, if ccp blocks people from using this **** on their forums they should block (aka ban) people from using said terms ingame as well. i couldn't care less about religion in any form, i just hate it when people abuse it under false pretence. if they wanna make it religious and keep it in the spirit of the game they should scream something in the line of 'for the God Emperor!' or something. Your logic is flawed because what happens inside the game..happens inside the game. CCP staff have stated on numerous occasions thateven if you don't roleplay, you are still part of the story. The news service does a report on an alliance invading some system even if they don't rp. so what happens inside eve (no matter how ludicrous) is part of the story. The forum, on the other hand, are not part of the story (with the exception of the in-character alliance/corporation related forums). So if any of your relatives die , i can make fun of it ingame as long as i don't make jokes about it on the forum? To the op:Don't listen to anything goons say cause you can't blaim them for being dumbs tbh..they behave as they are.Just ignore it ..
Cleric JohnPreston Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.03.30 11:19:00 - [57] I agree with the OP, this game has no need for ridiculous and very insensitive contexts. Those that disagree, sure why not ask for bomber jackets in ambulation to gank inside stations, or maybe I`ll take my battleship and fly it into the side of a station. Grow up. I think there's enough political crap in the world with out bringing it into this game. I mean it would be very very easy to make an alliance name that would insult the Russians. Perhaps "KillaCommie Alliance" to start with, until i find something that is offensive, which would be quite easy tbfh.
Overwhelmed Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.03.30 11:25:00 - [58] Originally by: Cleric JohnPreston I agree with the OP, this game has no need for ridiculous and very insensitive contexts. Those that disagree, sure why not ask for bomber jackets in ambulation to gank inside stations, or maybe I`ll take my battleship and fly it into the side of a station. I would absolutely love a bomber jacket in Ambluation.
Phroneo	Posted - 2008.03.30 11:30:00 - [59] Originally by: flakeys Edited by: flakeys on 30/03/2008 11:18:59 So if any of your relatives die , i can make fun of it ingame as long as i don't make jokes about it on the forum? Goons are not glorifying the deaths of any Iraqi civilians or US troops. They are just mocking the crazy people committing these terrible acts and the ideas behind them. I am pretty sure that CCP would intervene if someone started spamming local with trash talk abusing someone's family and wishing torture and death upon them. Most people should see some merit in mocking the whole Jihad ideas and members but probably not so in mocking 9/11 victims forced to jump due to fire or smoke. -- It may be that the old astrologers had the truth exactly reversed, when they believed that the stars controlled the destinies of men. The time may come when men control the destinies of stars. ACC
Karyuudo Tydraad	Posted - 2008.03.30 11:34:00 - [60] Originally by: Phroneo Goons are not glorifying the deaths of any Iraqi civilians or US troops. They are just mocking the crazy people committing these terrible acts and the ideas behind them. I am pretty sure that CCP would intervene if someone started spamming local with trash talk abusing someone's family and wishing torture and death upon them. What if I RP'd my trash talk about a dead relative? Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Phroneo	Posted - 2008.03.30 12:41:00 - [61] Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad Originally by: Phroneo Goons are not glorifying the deaths of any Iraqi civilians or US troops. They are just mocking the crazy people committing these terrible acts and the ideas behind them. I am pretty sure that CCP would intervene if someone started spamming local with trash talk abusing someone's family and wishing torture and death upon them. What if I RP'd my trash talk about a dead relative? Try it on me and see what happens. Uncle, grandma, grandpa... I won't take it personally but you must report yourself :) (I am assuming RP means report ) -- It may be that the old astrologers had the truth exactly reversed, when they believed that the stars controlled the destinies of men. The time may come when men control the destinies of stars. ACC
Cleric JohnPreston Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.03.30 12:59:00 - [62] Originally by: Phroneo Originally by: flakeys Edited by: flakeys on 30/03/2008 11:18:59 So if any of your relatives die , i can make fun of it ingame as long as i don't make jokes about it on the forum? Goons are not glorifying the deaths of any Iraqi civilians or US troops. They are just mocking the crazy people committing these terrible acts and the ideas behind them. I am pretty sure that CCP would intervene if someone started spamming local with trash talk abusing someone's family and wishing torture and death upon them. Most people should see some merit in mocking the whole Jihad ideas and members but probably not so in mocking 9/11 victims forced to jump due to fire or smoke. Thats a clever but flawed way to justify your answer.. "they`re mocking it". End of the day, there is no place in this forum for that word or ingame and anyone who thinks its harmless needs a ******* reality check including all those in this thread. Put it this way, would you feel the same way if your father/mother etc was killed by a jihadi terrorist? The easy answer is most likely not. CCP are a fcking disgrace for allowing this and I wont be resubscribing in 2 days time if this is the sort of crap theyre allowing in theyre game.
dragon mouth	Posted - 2008.03.30 13:11:00 - [63] Edited by: dragon mouth on 30/03/2008 13:11:35 CCP keep locking these threads without any form of answer to the concerns to the players who dont care about goons actions only the overtones and the reference to the real life situation. This is what the players are asking for is a little CLARIFICATION from CCP about the overtones nothing else. I for one find their apparent skipping over the real life issue being brought into game and bad PR and should be addressed forthwith in some form of statement either way at least then maybe these threads would stop and goons would basking in the animinimty of there actions. Rant mode off.
Ogul	Posted - 2008.03.30 13:14:00 - [64] Originally by: Cleric JohnPreston Put it this way, would you feel the same way if your father/mother etc was killed by a jihadi terrorist? Would you throw the same hissy fit over a TV network airing Ford commercials after your father/mother was hit by a car of that brand? --- Don't put your trust in revolutions. They always come around again. That's why they're called revolutions. People die, and nothing changes.
Malcanis	Posted - 2008.03.30 13:17:00 - [65] Originally by: Cleric JohnPreston Originally by: Phroneo Originally by: flakeys Edited by: flakeys on 30/03/2008 11:18:59 So if any of your relatives die , i can make fun of it ingame as long as i don't make jokes about it on the forum? Goons are not glorifying the deaths of any Iraqi civilians or US troops. They are just mocking the crazy people committing these terrible acts and the ideas behind them. I am pretty sure that CCP would intervene if someone started spamming local with trash talk abusing someone's family and wishing torture and death upon them. Most people should see some merit in mocking the whole Jihad ideas and members but probably not so in mocking 9/11 victims forced to jump due to fire or smoke. Thats a clever but flawed way to justify your answer.. "they`re mocking it". End of the day, there is no place in this forum for that word or ingame and anyone who thinks its harmless needs a ******* reality check including all those in this thread. Put it this way, would you feel the same way if your father/mother etc was killed by a jihadi terrorist? The easy answer is most likely not. CCP are a fcking disgrace for allowing this and I wont be resubscribing in 2 days time if this is the sort of crap theyre allowing in theyre game. By your logic then, CCP should also ban any use of: War Gun Bomb Missile Kill Destroy Conquer Struggle (which is what "Jihad" means) Invade Defeat Victory Invade CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Phroneo	Posted - 2008.03.30 13:18:00 - [66] Edited by: Phroneo on 30/03/2008 13:24:29 Originally by: Cleric JohnPreston Originally by: Phroneo Originally by: flakeys Edited by: flakeys on 30/03/2008 11:18:59 So if any of your relatives die , i can make fun of it ingame as long as i don't make jokes about it on the forum? Goons are not glorifying the deaths of any Iraqi civilians or US troops. They are just mocking the crazy people committing these terrible acts and the ideas behind them. I am pretty sure that CCP would intervene if someone started spamming local with trash talk abusing someone's family and wishing torture and death upon them. Most people should see some merit in mocking the whole Jihad ideas and members but probably not so in mocking 9/11 victims forced to jump due to fire or smoke. Thats a clever but flawed way to justify your answer.. "they`re mocking it". End of the day, there is no place in this forum for that word or ingame and anyone who thinks its harmless needs a ***** reality check including all those in this thread. Put it this way, would you feel the same way if your father/mother etc was killed by a jihadi terrorist? The easy answer is most likely not. CCP are a fcking disgrace for allowing this and I wont be resubscribing in 2 days time if this is the sort of crap theyre allowing in theyre game. It's hard to be certain but I am a person who likes that kind of humor. I think that if my parents were killed by such people, I would like anything that mocks or insults the ones still alive. At the very least, I would try to see that these people are really mocking the terrorists. I assume no-one you know was killed by such a person so I greatly respect an opinion that does not rely on the problem having a personal effect. PS This reminds me of a group of Australian comedians called the Chaser. They did a song which mocked a lot of respected celebrities or famous people who had died. The chorus went something like: "..even bastrads become good blokes after death". You can look up the Eulogy song lyrics on google I assume. Anyway, most people were outraged that these people were mocking dead people when in fact, they were mocking the media and how it always criticizes and sensationalizes bad things about people when they are alive (sometimes genuinely making them seem like bad people), but turns them into absolute saints and only talks about good things once they die. It's a similar case here where I think it's not right to get upset just because of our initial reaction when a deeper look may reveal a different perspective. Of course, I could be wrong and Goons could just be trying to people off and get attention in which case, they really would be lame and pathetic human beings who live off others' pain. Still however, CCP could do nothing as many pirates in EVE have the same diet... PSS This whole thing about Jihad=Struggle is rubbish. Language evolves... or can I still openly wish that somebody's sons turn out to be and live very * lives with their family? -- It may be that the old astrologers had the truth exactly reversed, when they believed that the stars controlled the destinies of men. The time may come when men control the destinies of stars. ACC
Inconstant Moon Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.03.30 13:50:00 - [67] According to Wrangler, neither the Jihad themes, Kharttoon's name, nor references to Allah have anything to do with Islam. In my opinion, CCP's representatives are lacking sensitivity on a highly sensitive issue, to the extent that one might say Wrangler (the supposed community manager) in particular has risen to the level of his incompetence. The whole thing is in terribly poor taste and I have to try not to be offended as it is "just a game". You know, I'd quite like to see the reactions to anyone making a 9/11 game where you score points for people falling out the windows. This stuff is just not right. -- CONCORD provides neither consequences nor safety.
Phroneo	Posted - 2008.03.30 14:13:00 - [68] Originally by: Inconstant Moon You know, I'd quite like to see the reactions to anyone making a 9/11 game where you score points for people falling out the windows. This stuff is just not right. A bit off topic.. but that depends... I played the 'game' where you control the two Columbine shooters. It is an RPG. Anyway, despite all the outrage, upon reading further it really seemed like it was a genuine artistic expression. I decided to play it and though it got a tad boring killing everyone in the school (though it wasn't required), the game had a profound effect on me and my perspective on the shooters and massacre. It was definitely a great work of art. So.. perhaps this 9/11 game could be similar in somehow giving an insight into the horror and difficult decisions of those in the tower... -- It may be that the old astrologers had the truth exactly reversed, when they believed that the stars controlled the destinies of men. The time may come when men control the destinies of stars. ACC
Lucas Avignon	Posted - 2008.03.30 14:18:00 - [69] Originally by: 000Hunter000 Now, i couldn't care less if goonies blow up another hulk or not, but what i am rather disturbed about is the fact there using religous terms to do so. Tbh i think ccp should ban the lot if they keep up their appearance of a holy war, esp in current times. Now i'm from the Netherlands myself and i can't really smile about some ***weed screaming 'Allahu Akbar' in local esp due to current events which i will not go into any further here (cuz ccp will block my ass if i do) cmon ccp, ur locking threads in the 'out of topic' section of the forums, why not block some people cough* goonies cough who use this term ingame as well? Wouldn't have expected this from a Dutch man... actually you know what that tripe above doesn't deserve a responce as whatever your opinion is, is based on rl events. I find what goons are doing great, and I find it absolutely hilarious that they shout Allah Akbar in local before proceeding, so do many other poeple with a sense of humour. You however don't have a sense of humour and want us to bring real life into the game and be all serious about it. cough sad cough .... sig goes here!
Lars Lodar	Posted - 2008.03.30 14:20:00 - [70] Quick! Someone post this egregious outrage on FOX NEWS! This is a game. Should I feel outraged every time I kill an Iraqi/American/Brittan in Battlefield 2 since each group is involved in a current conflict? Lighten up man. Wingnut sensitivity confounds me... http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=726733&sid=461337390 Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.[/url] Join Blood Corsair's
Wkumi	Posted - 2008.03.30 14:21:00 - [71] I can actually understand where this is kinda coming from, when i first read the original post i thought bah what a load of rubbish, but what if Jiihadswarm was re-named "the final solution" in the extermination of Miners?? would that be acceptable?? tricky one i think!
Myros Glimmbrand	Posted - 2008.03.30 14:29:00 - [72] Originally by: Atreides Horza Originally by: El'Niaga Actually if you look at various literature etc, conservatives (the so called right wingers) are far more tolerant of other viewpoints than liberals (the so called left wingers). Pamphlets from the NRA and Fine Young Americans Association isn't literature, in case you didn't know... and if I wanted an answer as to who's tolerant and who's not, I wouldn't be looking for it in literature - contemporary or otherwize. My argument was that it's absurd moaning about free speech in an attempt to silence others. I think it still stands. Guess what... Giving money to charities in countries that your government has messed up thoroughly isn't charity either. That's all kosher with me. Would you mind if we remove all corps with names, rules, badges, bios, etc. referring to real life american military units engaged in fighting all across the middle-east? I'm sure we could whip up a score or more afghans or iraqis who feel threatened by slogans such as 'Death from Above' and all that jazz. Oh wait, maybe they're too busy surviving the 'charity work' of foreign nations in their respective countries. As for the OP, he's got his own agenda. You've got yours. I've got mine. Why not just leave them at the door and play our game without all the fears, prejudices and half-arsed rethorics that are currently making such a mess of the world we live in? Wisdom AND common sense in a single post???!!! Isnt that a sign of the 'end days' or something? ;p Myros Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. Boost is the new nerf.
sdthujfg	Posted - 2008.03.30 14:38:00 - [73] Originally by: Inconstant Moon According to Wrangler, neither the Jihad themes, Kharttoon's name, nor references to Allah have anything to do with Islam. In my opinion, CCP's representatives are lacking sensitivity on a highly sensitive issue, to the extent that one might say Wrangler (the supposed community manager) in particular has risen to the level of his incompetence. The whole thing is in terribly poor taste and I have to try not to be offended as it is "just a game". You know, I'd quite like to see the reactions to anyone making a 9/11 game where you score points for people falling out the windows. This stuff is just not right. But there are games about other wars were you can (if you like) kill civilians while playing a soldier in the american army. No one is whining about that, why do you think 9/11 victims are more valuable then other victims of war? THAT is exactly the problem today. Value of life depends on where youre from in many peoples heads. Its sad that they cant even see that they are doing that.
Willow Whisp Sadist Faction	Posted - 2008.03.30 14:52:00 - [74] Originally by: Wkumi I can actually understand where this is kinda coming from, when i first read the original post i thought bah what a load of rubbish, but what if Jiihadswarm was re-named "the final solution" in the extermination of Miners?? would that be acceptable?? tricky one i think! Absolutely. I don't care if you create a corp that specifically states that your beliefs are that all caldari achura must be relocated to minmatarrian death camps and eliminated because they control the eve economy. , then proceed to find and pod all characters of caldari achura origin until they set their clones to minmatar space, thus effectively relocating them. So what? -- My Sig got pwnt by Cortes :(
Thorradin State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.30 14:55:00 - [75] Originally by: Atreides Horza My argument was that it's absurd moaning about free speech in an attempt to silence others. I think it still stands. Your argument was that right wingers are hypocrites about free-speech, and you got called on it.
Inconstant Moon Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.03.30 15:11:00 - [76] Originally by: sdthujfg But there are games about other wars were you can (if you like) kill civilians while playing a soldier in the american army. No one is whining about that, why do you think 9/11 victims are more valuable then other victims of war? THAT is exactly the problem today. Value of life depends on where youre from in many peoples heads. Its sad that they cant even see that they are doing that. Of course. But this issue demonstrates a lack of sensitivity not only towards the victims of the present-day jihadists, but also towards the majority of Muslims who want nothing to do with extremism but are suffering its consequences. CCP's continuing failure to comprehend the seriousness of this is very poor form in my opinion. -- CONCORD provides neither consequences nor safety.
sdthujfg State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.30 15:15:00 - [77] Originally by: Inconstant Moon Of course. But this issue demonstrates a lack of sensitivity not only towards the victims of the present-day jihadists, but also towards the majority of Muslims who want nothing to do with extremism but are suffering its consequences. They suffer because of people like OP and movies that his countries politicians are using as propaganda. That disturbs me.
Vladameir Harkenin	Posted - 2008.03.30 15:18:00 - [78] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar Allah is a fictional entity, just like the God Emperor you mentioned, just like Jesus Christ, Buddah, etc. Dune is not fiction THE SPICE WILL FLOW I concur, the spice must flow!
Cleric JohnPreston Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.03.30 15:51:00 - [79] Grow up and have some sensitivity, there is no need for that rubbish in this game and if you cant see that your thick as pig shiit, including Wrangler if indeed he thinks Jihid has nothing to do with Islam.
sdthujfg State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.30 16:08:00 - [80] Originally by: Cleric JohnPreston Grow up and have some sensitivity, there is no need for that rubbish in this game and if you cant see that your thick as pig shiit, including Wrangler if indeed he thinks Jihid has nothing to do with Islam. And ship names like crusader have something to do with the christians and their crusade. Either you get rid of both or you grow up and stfu.
Vinchester Hedion University	Posted - 2008.03.30 16:09:00 - [81] you guys take games wayyyyy to seriously
Rodj Blake PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.03.30 16:11:00 - [82] Originally by: welshman if we use the word crusade them the pc lot would be down on people like a ton I don't recall anyone complaining about this. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Cleric JohnPreston	Posted - 2008.03.30 16:25:00 - [83] Originally by: sdthujfg Originally by: Cleric JohnPreston Grow up and have some sensitivity, there is no need for that rubbish in this game and if you cant see that your thick as pig shiit, including Wrangler if indeed he thinks Jihid has nothing to do with Islam. And ship names like crusader have something to do with the christians and their crusade. Either you get rid of both or you grow up and stfu. Your an idiot. Seriously. I cant remember the last time i turned i seen media in any form where people got upset by using the term crusader, infact, the only idiots who get annoyed with that term is extremist Muslims not the ordinary peep in the street. I swear ill be glad my sub runs out in 2 days to get away from ****heads like yourself.
Inconstant Moon	Posted - 2008.03.30 16:30:00 - [84] Originally by: Cleric JohnPreston Grow up and have some sensitivity, there is no need for that rubbish in this game and if you cant see that your thick as pig shiit, including Wrangler if indeed he thinks Jihid has nothing to do with Islam. Here's the link to his thread-locking proclamation, to save anyone hunting for it: Thus spoke Wrangler, Community Mangler By the way, he's sensitive about one thing. That is, criticism. Posts about his incompetence tend to be moderated. -- CONCORD provides neither consequences nor safety.
Cleric JohnPreston	Posted - 2008.03.30 16:37:00 - [85] "...trying to provoke..." lol and that`s allowed.
Bezerkius Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.03.30 16:40:00 - [86] Originally by: Billy Sastard I call bullsh*t... This is an imaginary spaceship universe, its just some stupid terminology they are using anyway. If we want to go there however, I think CCP should completely revamp the Amarr backstory as there are too many resemblances to RL religious sects... This is a rediculous topic. Haha..you think Jesus was a fictional character? I could understand if you didn't want to believe he was divine, but to suggest he never existed shows quite a bit of ignorance. Stop posting, go study some history, come back and try again.
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.03.30 16:42:00 - [87] Originally by: Cleric JohnPreston "...trying to provoke..." lol and that`s allowed. Well, you just resorted to name-calling with your last post. Way to take the high ground. But you're gone in two days, so who really cares. warp drive active \| nature vraie
Percible Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.03.30 16:46:00 - [88] Originally by: Lars Lodar Quick! Someone post this egregious outrage on FOX NEWS! This is a game. Should I feel outraged every time I kill an Iraqi/American/Brittan in Battlefield 2 since each group is involved in a current conflict? Lighten up man. Wingnut sensitivity confounds me... I think you mean Lefty Moonbats, not Wingnuts, cause right wingers usually don't give a flying crap about bull****e political correctness crap. Typically the lefty nutjobs cry and whine about such mundane and trivial things.
Cleric JohnPreston	Posted - 2008.03.30 16:46:00 - [89] yep and i`ll be looking back at the cesspit that is EVE`s community and ponder why the hell did i spend 3 years here.
sdthujfg	Posted - 2008.03.30 16:50:00 - [90] Originally by: Cleric JohnPreston Your an idiot. Seriously. I cant remember the last time i turned i seen media in any form where people got upset by using the term crusader, infact, the only idiots who get annoyed with that term is extremist Muslims not the ordinary peep in the street. I swear ill be glad my sub runs out in 2 days to get away from ****heads like yourself. Youre the idiot. Ofcourse no one gets upset by using the term crusader in the west where the majority are christians. Its people with your mindset that has made genocide possible through history and its a shame that people forget events that happend only 65 years ago.
Intravenous deMilo	Posted - 2008.03.30 17:03:00 - [91] Edited by: Intravenous deMilo on 30/03/2008 17:04:02 Edited for a spelling mistake. To the OP: Are you at all familiar with the Amarr? They are religious zealots as CCP created them. Hence the name of one of their ships Zealot. As for your being offended...grow up. Deal with it. Life is offensive. For someone to want things banned because they themselves are offended is the height of selfishness and egoism. And to those who brought the Left vs Right of RL politics into the discussion; STFU with emphasis on STFU. For a species like ours with a historic track record of being dismally wrong about most things to think that we NOW have the absolute truth is laughable. The Great Gazoo says "Hello Dum Dums"
ZePequerio	Posted - 2008.03.30 17:08:00 - [92] http://www.jihadswarm.com/ Wrong typo for the word Jihadswarm in arabic...On this page I read : "Al Jihadsrb" which doesn't mean anything.
Cleric JohnPreston	Posted - 2008.03.30 17:45:00 - [93] Originally by: sdthujfg Originally by: Cleric JohnPreston Your an idiot. Seriously. I cant remember the last time i turned i seen media in any form where people got upset by using the term crusader, infact, the only idiots who get annoyed with that term is extremist Muslims not the ordinary peep in the street. I swear ill be glad my sub runs out in 2 days to get away from **heads like yourself. Youre the idiot. Ofcourse no one gets upset by using the term crusader in the west where the majority are christians. Its people with your mindset that has made genocide possible through history and its a shame that people forget events that happend only 65 years ago. My mindset lol. I oppose the word Jihad in a game where it absolutely no need and you say my reasoning is behind acts of genocide. STFU you **. Lets take a fresh look. What demographic makes up the corps within JihadSwarm? Try having a think about that.
Layla Shai	Posted - 2008.03.30 17:56:00 - [94] Originally by: Cleric JohnPreston Lets take a fresh look. What demographic makes up the corps within JihadSwarm? Try having a think about that. More of this tbqh
sdthujfg State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.30 18:17:00 - [95] Originally by: Cleric JohnPreston I oppose the word Jihad in a game where it absolutely no need and you say my reasoning is behind acts of genocide. STFU you ****. I oppose the word crusader and alike. There is no need to bring in words coupled with christianity either in a made up space ship game. Yeah, you have double standards because of your biased view on humans and cultures. Youre mindset is dangerous and its because of the inability to realise this yourself.
Bodhisattvas	Posted - 2008.03.30 18:45:00 - [96] Originally by: 000Hunter000 Now, i couldn't care less if goonies blow up another hulk or not, but what i am rather disturbed about is the fact there using religous terms to do so. Tbh i think ccp should ban the lot if they keep up their appearance of a holy war, esp in current times. Now i'm from the Netherlands myself and i can't really smile about some ***weed screaming 'Allahu Akbar' in local esp due to current events which i will not go into any further here (cuz ccp will block my ass if i do) cmon ccp, ur locking threads in the 'out of topic' section of the forums, why not block some people cough* goonies cough who use this term ingame as well? Anyone who takes religion seriously is in clock cuckoo land. As close as I can come to religion is some multi tentacled bug eyed alien sticking a probe up a monkey's arse and out popping humanity. It is amusing that Barack ******* Obama causes offence to ccp, so much so they blank the middle name, whats that about ? they closet democrats or what !!
Ogul	Posted - 2008.03.30 19:06:00 - [97] Originally by: Bodhisattvas It is amusing that Barack ******* Obama causes offence to ccp, so much so they blank the middle name, whats that about ? they closet democrats or what !! LOL, now you made me google him... --- Don't put your trust in revolutions. They always come around again. That's why they're called revolutions. People die, and nothing changes.
Tafari Che	Posted - 2008.03.30 19:33:00 - [98] lol more like FailSwarm
Vasili vonHolst	Posted - 2008.03.30 20:31:00 - [99] Op: You fail. Back to your Sunday door knocking kthx ------------------------------------------------ Movie: + Trillion ISK damage to Care Bear community
Yakia TovilToba	Posted - 2008.03.30 23:20:00 - [100] I have to agree with OP. There are some videos on youtube from goonswarm where they use that muslim spiritual imam coran sining (or whatever it is called). Quotation from the coran, spiritual singing about the prophet combined with eve online ingame content. If some muslims find this videos and then hear that ccp say it's ok, it's only a matter of time till ccp gets rl death treats or maybe even the islandic flag will be burnt on streets in islamic countries. People should be more careful here, there is not "freedom of speech/opinion or freedom to make jokes" when it comes to islam, they might see this as mockery on their prophet, and ccp, who provides a forum (not this forum, forum in terms of a means to express this mockery), might be held responsible for this. It is a capital mistake to believe that ingame actions of players have nothing to do with the company which is making this game.
Zathi Shaitan	Posted - 2008.03.30 23:24:00 - [101] Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar Buddah http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddha was a man, you ignorant... ---- " Several unconventional alliances where made at that point " - Hey CCP, "where" != "were".. you too, Brutus? http://loseloose.com/
Pur3Bl00D	Posted - 2008.03.30 23:46:00 - [102] I am not religious or a Muslim myself but just a reminder to ppl, that the insult goes both ways, ppl have died in both sides on this sensible matter. I've seen posts only linking the issue with 9/11, completely forgetting how a non-fanatic muslim may feel. This issue is offensive to both sides. For muslims "jihad-warriors" are considered either martyrs or murderers and they did have many civilian casualties too, both from terrorism in their own countries and by so called "surgical strikes". Either way goons style on this issue is definitely offensive to say the least.
Doonoo Boonoo	Posted - 2008.03.30 23:47:00 - [103] Edited by: Doonoo Boonoo on 30/03/2008 23:50:06 Edited by: Doonoo Boonoo on 30/03/2008 23:49:44 Edited by: Doonoo Boonoo on 30/03/2008 23:47:21 Originally by: Yakia TovilToba I have to agree with OP. There are some videos on youtube from goonswarm where they use that muslim spiritual imam coran sining (or whatever it is called). Quotation from the coran, spiritual singing about the prophet combined with eve online ingame content. If some muslims find this videos and then hear that ccp say it's ok, it's only a matter of time till ccp gets rl death treats or maybe even the islandic flag will be burnt on streets in islamic countries. People should be more careful here, there is not "freedom of speech/opinion or freedom to make jokes" when it comes to islam, they might see this as mockery on their prophet, and ccp, who provides a forum (not this forum, forum in terms of a means to express this mockery), might be held responsible for this. It is a capital mistake to believe that ingame actions of players have nothing to do with the company which is making this game. This is you submitting to Terrorism. Or This is you using the fear of terrorism to get what you want because you can't protect your exhumer. I find it Pathetic.
Yakia TovilToba	Posted - 2008.03.30 23:57:00 - [104] Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo Edited by: Doonoo Boonoo on 30/03/2008 23:47:21 Originally by: Yakia TovilToba I have to agree with OP. There are some videos on youtube from goonswarm where they use that muslim spiritual imam coran sining (or whatever it is called). Quotation from the coran, spiritual singing about the prophet combined with eve online ingame content. If some muslims find this videos and then hear that ccp say it's ok, it's only a matter of time till ccp gets rl death treats or maybe even the islandic flag will be burnt on streets in islamic countries. People should be more careful here, there is not "freedom of speech/opinion or freedom to make jokes" when it comes to islam, they might see this as mockery on their prophet, and ccp, who provides a forum (not this forum, forum in terms of a means to express this mockery), might be held responsible for this. It is a capital mistake to believe that ingame actions of players have nothing to do with the company which is making this game. This is you submitting to Terrorism. Or This is you trying to use fear to get what you want because you can't protect your exhumer. I find it Pathetic. No, this is just me being realistic and watching what is going on in this world. People compare this to other religions, saying they are offended by this and that, but this is a worthless comparison. If you make a bad movie about catholics and the pope, or buddah, noone will give a ****. If you make that about muhammad, you will get shot in rl (see theo vangokh). And if you are running a newspaper and make sume funny pictures about the prophet, the flags of your country will be burned on streets, despite the government and the rest of that country's poplulations did nothing bad, not even liked those pictures. It's a diffrent way of thinking, and yes it is based on fear. I don't appreciate it, but thats the reality of today - you have to adapt or suffer. Don't think ccp wants to suffer, so they should be more careful and aware of this.
Sereifex Daku	Posted - 2008.03.30 23:59:00 - [105] OH MY GOD! I was jsut playing a game called Vampire...and the npc's keep mentioning Jihad OH NOES! That game should be banned! As should anything that has ever offended anyone ever! Jesus, stop caring so much about people's feeling, you damn women.
Bodhisattvas	Posted - 2008.03.31 00:00:00 - [106] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba I have to agree with OP. There are some videos on youtube from goonswarm where they use that muslim spiritual imam coran sining (or whatever it is called). Quotation from the coran, spiritual singing about the prophet combined with eve online ingame content. If some muslims find this videos and then hear that ccp say it's ok, it's only a matter of time till ccp gets rl death treats or maybe even the islandic flag will be burnt on streets in islamic countries. People should be more careful here, there is not "freedom of speech/opinion or freedom to make jokes" when it comes to islam, they might see this as mockery on their prophet, and ccp, who provides a forum (not this forum, forum in terms of a means to express this mockery), might be held responsible for this. It is a capital mistake to believe that ingame actions of players have nothing to do with the company which is making this game. So a bunch a nutters flying the flag of a ficticious deity get to choose who they put in their jihad black book!!! No one should be held to ransom for what they say, be it in jest or true. Your average person has got to be pig sick of the hearing all the crap regarding islam.
Bodhisattvas	Posted - 2008.03.31 00:01:00 - [107] Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo Edited by: Doonoo Boonoo on 30/03/2008 23:50:06 Edited by: Doonoo Boonoo on 30/03/2008 23:49:44 Edited by: Doonoo Boonoo on 30/03/2008 23:47:21 Originally by: Yakia TovilToba I have to agree with OP. There are some videos on youtube from goonswarm where they use that muslim spiritual imam coran sining (or whatever it is called). Quotation from the coran, spiritual singing about the prophet combined with eve online ingame content. If some muslims find this videos and then hear that ccp say it's ok, it's only a matter of time till ccp gets rl death treats or maybe even the islandic flag will be burnt on streets in islamic countries. People should be more careful here, there is not "freedom of speech/opinion or freedom to make jokes" when it comes to islam, they might see this as mockery on their prophet, and ccp, who provides a forum (not this forum, forum in terms of a means to express this mockery), might be held responsible for this. It is a capital mistake to believe that ingame actions of players have nothing to do with the company which is making this game. This is you submitting to Terrorism. Or This is you using the fear of terrorism to get what you want because you can't protect your exhumer. I find it Pathetic. Ditto!
Sereifex Daku	Posted - 2008.03.31 00:04:00 - [108] Originally by: Bodhisattvas This is you submitting to Terrorism. Or This is you using the fear of terrorism to get what you want because you can't protect your exhumer. I find it Pathetic. Ditto! I completely agree.
Marlona Sky	Posted - 2008.03.31 00:12:00 - [109] Anyone ever heard the phrase, "Friends don't talk about religion or politics."?? Those two topics are the most contriversial things ever. Period. Almost imposible to get away from politics in a game that starts you out in a corporation. Religion however can be left out. It is us the players who have decided to bring something so convriversial into the game to mess it up. Can we just stop talking about it and get back to playing the game and having fun? Remove insurance payout for being Concorded!!! Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Doonoo Boonoo	Posted - 2008.03.31 00:14:00 - [110] Yakia TovilToba why aren't you complaining about U-Tube for allowing it to be shown?Or expressing concerns for the people who run that sight? Why does your concern not extend to Goonfleet members? Why is CCP and Iceland the focus of your attention? I wonder??
Surfin's PlunderBunny	Posted - 2008.03.31 00:18:00 - [111] Think Goons will get a shoutout in the next Al Qaeda video? ------------------Sig-------------------------- J. Kerouac said it best in The Vanity of Duluoz: "Go droppeth a turd."
Bodhisattvas Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.03.31 00:27:00 - [112] Edited by: Bodhisattvas on 31/03/2008 00:33:32 Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Think Goons will get a shoutout in the next Al Qaeda video? Hehehe thats funny !!! top right corner of vid superimposed pic of bee smoking cigar (or whatever it is) and old beard face jabbering away. Personally I think it's as funny as hell whats goons are doing. JihadSwarm Web page made me giggle, why do you think its also in chinese ? It's obviously a amusing way of dealing with the problem of isk farmers. If a few carebears get caught in the dragnet well sucks to be a bear..go train logistics or something. Seriously though why do the press air beard face every time ?
sdthujfg State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.31 00:27:00 - [113] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba No, this is just me being realistic and watching what is going on in this world. People compare this to other religions, saying they are offended by this and that, but this is a worthless comparison. If you make a bad movie about catholics and the pope, or buddah, noone will give a ****. If you make that about muhammad, you will get shot in rl (see theo vangokh). And if you are running a newspaper and make sume funny pictures about the prophet, the flags of your country will be burned on streets, despite the government and the rest of that country's poplulations did nothing bad, not even liked those pictures. It's a diffrent way of thinking, and yes it is based on fear. I don't appreciate it, but thats the reality of today - you have to adapt or suffer. Don't think ccp wants to suffer, so they should be more careful and aware of this. This has nothing to do with religion you friggin moron! Terrists are NOT muslims. Terroists have NOTHIN to do with islam nor the coran. Youre so full of prejudice that its making me sick. The only thing jihadswarm is doing is mocking terrorists, NOT islam. And let me tell you something that might not suite your mindset: If people would take movie clips and show christians like the US army killing innocents, then do a propaganda movie about how bad christians are and put it on the net youd see mass chaos amongst the western population about how christianity isnt shown in the right way. Do it 3 times and your own government would have you killed. Yeah this might come to a surprise to you...
sdthujfg State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.31 00:30:00 - [114] Originally by: Pur3Bl00D I am not religious or a Muslim myself but just a reminder to ppl, that the insult goes both ways, ppl have died in both sides on this sensible matter. I've seen posts only linking the issue with 9/11, completely forgetting how a non-fanatic muslim may feel. This issue is offensive to both sides. For muslims "jihad-warriors" are considered either martyrs or murderers and they did have many civilian casualties too, both from terrorism in their own countries and by so called "surgical strikes". Either way goons style on this issue is definitely offensive to say the least. Who cares about 9/11 anyways. Compare the amounts of innocents the western military is killing in iraq. One can wonder who the "good" guys are.
Bodhisattvas Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.03.31 00:36:00 - [115] Edited by: Bodhisattvas on 31/03/2008 00:37:37 Originally by: sdthujfg Originally by: Pur3Bl00D I am not religious or a Muslim myself but just a reminder to ppl, that the insult goes both ways, ppl have died in both sides on this sensible matter. I've seen posts only linking the issue with 9/11, completely forgetting how a non-fanatic muslim may feel. This issue is offensive to both sides. For muslims "jihad-warriors" are considered either martyrs or murderers and they did have many civilian casualties too, both from terrorism in their own countries and by so called "surgical strikes". Either way goons style on this issue is definitely offensive to say the least. Who cares about 9/11 anyways. Compare the amounts of innocents the western military is killing in iraq. One can wonder who the "good" guys are. Please post with your main hahahahaha.......... Please Coward won't tho.
Mattikus Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.31 00:42:00 - [116] Originally by: Sereifex Daku Originally by: 000Hunter000 Just asking for equall rights tbh, if ccp blocks people from using this ** on their forums they should block (aka ban) people from using said terms ingame as well. i couldn't care less about religion in any form, i just hate it when people abuse it under false pretence. if they wanna make it religious and keep it in the spirit of the game they should scream something in the line of 'for the God Emperor!' or something. Your logic is flawed because what happens inside the game..happens inside the game. CCP staff have stated on numerous occasions thateven if you don't roleplay, you are still part of the story. The news service does a report on an alliance invading some system even if they don't rp. so what happens inside eve (no matter how ludicrous) is part of the story. The forum, on the other hand, are not part of the story (with the exception of the in-character alliance/corporation related forums). God I cant stand people like you. The ones who think they have some kind of intellect...the "spock's" of the game. "your logic is flawed" Lawliebuckets! Ok poindexter you are lame...get laid. Back on topic. I agree with the OP...I live in the states but originally from the UK and I could give two s about religion but when you go around and starting running your mouth like the goons do then there is a problem. It doesnt matter if its "in game" you stupid tard! They are mocking something that REAL people, thousands and thousands or people, have died or are dying from in REAL LIFE. I bet I cant run around calling people nis in game can I? I bet I would get the ban stick lickity split and DONT say thats different cause its NOT! They are mocking current events and its not appreciated. Especially when there are tons of people dying in real life due to the "allah akbah" extremists and the fact that they are mocking the dead or dying is NOT COOL. I dont understand why CCP hasnt stopped this. I cant run around killing everyone who has a "black" avatar and say "f* the coons....move out to caldari space and you will be safe" thats BULL**! I think its sick and a crock of ** that ccp is letting this continue.
Marlona Sky	Posted - 2008.03.31 00:47:00 - [117] Edited by: Marlona Sky on 31/03/2008 00:48:27 Originally by: sdthujfg Originally by: Pur3Bl00D I am not religious or a Muslim myself but just a reminder to ppl, that the insult goes both ways, ppl have died in both sides on this sensible matter. I've seen posts only linking the issue with 9/11, completely forgetting how a non-fanatic muslim may feel. This issue is offensive to both sides. For muslims "jihad-warriors" are considered either martyrs or murderers and they did have many civilian casualties too, both from terrorism in their own countries and by so called "surgical strikes". Either way goons style on this issue is definitely offensive to say the least. Who cares about 9/11 anyways. Compare the amounts of innocents the western military is killing in iraq. One can wonder who the "good" guys are. Wow. I bet you don't say that in public. And please, if you actually payed attention and did just a small bit of research, you would see that it was not just 'western' lives that were lost on that day fool!!!! Remove insurance payout for being Concorded!!! Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
sdthujfg	Posted - 2008.03.31 00:58:00 - [118] Edited by: sdthujfg on 31/03/2008 00:58:31 Originally by: Marlona Sky Wow. I bet you don't say that in public. And please, if you actually payed attention and did just a small bit of research, you would see that it was not just 'western' lives that were lost on that day fool!!!! I do say it in public and it does anger people but its the truth. Its intresting how horrible people think 9/11 was compared to: -Innocent Iraqies dying because of oil politics -The amount of people killed during the crusades under the name of christ and the bible. -Amounts of humans dying of genocide and starvation in africa. Let me tell you a little story of what our "great" countries are doing: -There is a war going on because of oil and its killing innocents -We are buying food for very low prices from african countries and in return we sell them weapons so they can kill eachother -We systematically pour out propaganda about how dangerous muslims are in all kinds of media Im ashamed of my own country, Europe and the western countries. We should be at peace with the world, not at war in different ways. Jihadswarm is just making fun of terrorists. Not islam or anything else. If you find this disturbing because of 9/11 you can look above what Ive written. Everything pales in comparison. Wake up and open your eyes.
Surfin's PlunderBunny GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.31 01:07:00 - [119] Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 31/03/2008 01:08:55 Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 31/03/2008 01:07:29 Then go live in Iran... though when they find out you don't believe in Allah they will stone you... then I will post the video here and we'll all laugh Genocides in Africa are not a new thing and not caused by the western world... it's because 1 warlord didnt like another warlord's tribe. ------------------Sig-------------------------- J. Kerouac said it best in The Vanity of Duluoz: "Go droppeth a turd."
doctorstupid2 Blood Corsair's Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.03.31 01:10:00 - [120] Originally by: sdthujfg bla bla bla Hey, I've got an idea. Get out. Deadspace2 \| Deadspace \| Fun in FAT-
Bodhisattvas Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.03.31 01:10:00 - [121] Originally by: Mattikus Originally by: Sereifex Daku Originally by: 000Hunter000 Just asking for equall rights tbh, if ccp blocks people from using this ** on their forums they should block (aka ban) people from using said terms ingame as well. i couldn't care less about religion in any form, i just hate it when people abuse it under false pretence. if they wanna make it religious and keep it in the spirit of the game they should scream something in the line of 'for the God Emperor!' or something. Your logic is flawed because what happens inside the game..happens inside the game. CCP staff have stated on numerous occasions thateven if you don't roleplay, you are still part of the story. The news service does a report on an alliance invading some system even if they don't rp. so what happens inside eve (no matter how ludicrous) is part of the story. The forum, on the other hand, are not part of the story (with the exception of the in-character alliance/corporation related forums). God I cant stand people like you. The ones who think they have some kind of intellect...the "spock's" of the game. "your logic is flawed" Lawliebuckets! Ok poindexter you are lame...get laid. Back on topic. I agree with the OP...I live in the states but originally from the UK and I could give two s about religion but when you go around and starting running your mouth like the goons do then there is a problem. It doesnt matter if its "in game" you stupid tard! They are mocking something that REAL people, thousands and thousands or people, have died or are dying from in REAL LIFE. I bet I cant run around calling people nis in game can I? I bet I would get the ban stick lickity split and DONT say thats different cause its NOT! They are mocking current events and its not appreciated. Especially when there are tons of people dying in real life due to the "allah akbah" extremists and the fact that they are mocking the dead or dying is NOT COOL. I dont understand why CCP hasnt stopped this. I cant run around killing everyone who has a "black" avatar and say "f* the coons....move out to caldari space and you will be safe" thats BULL**! I think its sick and a crock of that ccp is letting this continue. Take a chill pill ....no just take the bottle Hey I'm from UK and now live in USA but after that our paths divert. Seems the only religion to get ed these days is islam, Why is it that they can't take the smallest amount of critisism, next thing it's "were gonna jihad your asses!" Do they feel so threatened, is their faith so weak as to succumb blind hate when someone calls a Teddy Bear mohamed, next things their burning teddy bears in the streets Sticks and stone may break peeps bones but words should never kill peeps. Of course in the real world that would never do would it, partially because you have nutters screaming blue murder in the name of ficticious deities. Its a **** up world but whats the point of letting people get away with that crap, people have to stand up to it and not just lay down and die. I totally condone JihadSwarm and their noble actions.
Mattikus Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.31 01:12:00 - [122] Edited by: Mattikus on 31/03/2008 01:12:26 Originally by: Bodhisattvas Originally by: Mattikus Originally by: Sereifex Daku Originally by: 000Hunter000 Just asking for equall rights tbh, if ccp blocks people from using this ** on their forums they should block (aka ban) people from using said terms ingame as well. i couldn't care less about religion in any form, i just hate it when people abuse it under false pretence. if they wanna make it religious and keep it in the spirit of the game they should scream something in the line of 'for the God Emperor!' or something. Your logic is flawed because what happens inside the game..happens inside the game. CCP staff have stated on numerous occasions thateven if you don't roleplay, you are still part of the story. The news service does a report on an alliance invading some system even if they don't rp. so what happens inside eve (no matter how ludicrous) is part of the story. The forum, on the other hand, are not part of the story (with the exception of the in-character alliance/corporation related forums). God I cant stand people like you. The ones who think they have some kind of intellect...the "spock's" of the game. "your logic is flawed" Lawliebuckets! Ok poindexter you are lame...get laid. Back on topic. I agree with the OP...I live in the states but originally from the UK and I could give two s about religion but when you go around and starting running your mouth like the goons do then there is a problem. It doesnt matter if its "in game" you stupid tard! They are mocking something that REAL people, thousands and thousands or people, have died or are dying from in REAL LIFE. I bet I cant run around calling people nis in game can I? I bet I would get the ban stick lickity split and DONT say thats different cause its NOT! They are mocking current events and its not appreciated. Especially when there are tons of people dying in real life due to the "allah akbah" extremists and the fact that they are mocking the dead or dying is NOT COOL. I dont understand why CCP hasnt stopped this. I cant run around killing everyone who has a "black" avatar and say "f* the coons....move out to caldari space and you will be safe" thats BULL**! I think its sick and a crock of that ccp is letting this continue. Take a chill pill ....no just take the bottle Hey I'm from UK and now live in USA but after that our paths divert. Seems the only religion to get ed these days is islam, Why is it that they can't take the smallest amount of critisism, next thing it's "were gonna jihad your asses!" Do they feel so threatened, is their faith so weak as to succumb blind hate when someone calls a Teddy Bear mohamed, next things their burning teddy bears in the streets Sticks and stone may break peeps bones but words should never kill peeps. Of course in the real world that would never do would it, partially because you have nutters screaming blue murder in the name of ficticious deities. Its a **** up world but whats the point of letting people get away with that crap, people have to stand up to it and not just lay down and die. I totally condone JihadSwarm and their noble actions. Hahaha I wish I could have a whole bottle of chill pills!
sdthujfg State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.31 01:15:00 - [123] Originally by: doctorstupid2 Originally by: sdthujfg bla bla bla Hey, I've got an idea. Get out. Did I step on a nerve army boy? More peace, less hate. How about you go live somewhere else, warmonger.
Bodhisattvas	Posted - 2008.03.31 01:16:00 - [124] Originally by: sdthujfg Edited by: sdthujfg on 31/03/2008 00:58:31 Originally by: Marlona Sky Wow. I bet you don't say that in public. And please, if you actually payed attention and did just a small bit of research, you would see that it was not just 'western' lives that were lost on that day fool!!!! I do say it in public and it does anger people but its the truth. Its intresting how horrible people think 9/11 was compared to: -Innocent Iraqies dying because of oil politics -The amount of people killed during the crusades under the name of christ and the bible. -Amounts of humans dying of genocide and starvation in africa. Let me tell you a little story of what our "great" countries are doing: -There is a war going on because of oil and its killing innocents -We are buying food for very low prices from african countries and in return we sell them weapons so they can kill eachother -We systematically pour out propaganda about how dangerous muslims are in all kinds of media Im ashamed of my own country, Europe and the western countries. We should be at peace with the world, not at war in different ways. Jihadswarm is just making fun of terrorists. Not islam or anything else. If you find this disturbing because of 9/11 you can look above what Ive written. Everything pales in comparison. Wake up and open your eyes. So you say it in public and won't say it ingame with your main ? All ballsy in public but a shrinking violet in game ? Utter *******s bloody mouth piece
Yakia TovilToba	Posted - 2008.03.31 01:17:00 - [125] Originally by: sdthujfg This has nothing to do with religion you friggin moron! Terrists are NOT muslims. Terroists have NOTHIN to do with islam nor the coran. Youre so full of prejudice that its making me sick. Lol how blind can you be ! Watch the movie "Fitna" on youtube (if it hasn't been consored ot by now, another website hosting it had to close it due rl death threats). It explains the whole thing very well, there are verses in the coran that ask muslims to spread terror to those who do not believe or upon those who do this/that. You see there the verses (everything from coran, nothing invented) and the actions which happened recently in our world, it all makes perfect sense. Its all there in the coran, how can you say this has nothing to do with it, mr propagandist, you want to deny reality just because it doesn't fit into your concept ? Quote: If people would take movie clips and show christians like the US army killing innocents, then do a propaganda movie about how bad christians are and put it on the net youd see mass chaos amongst the western population about how christianity isnt shown in the right way. Do it 3 times and your own government would have you killed. Yeah this might come to a surprise to you... Thats a dumb statement. Such movies are around and noone has been killed or arrested because of that. "Killed by own government" - you think like someone from a muslim country. If you are mocking on christianity and there are reasons to believe, that you might get harmed, a western government would even protect you and your rights of freedom to criticise it or any religion. However, this is getting offtopic now. It doesnt matter if someone on the forums thinks that those actions are not harmful. If some muslim think it is, then ccp might be in trouble, so it does not depend on your or mine point of view, i just wanted to show what can be a realistic reaction on that stuff, the evaluation of that (whether it is good or bad or giving in to terorrism) is a completely diffrent question.
sdthujfg	Posted - 2008.03.31 01:18:00 - [126] Originally by: Bodhisattvas So you say it in public and won't say it ingame with your main ? All ballsy in public but a shrinking violet in game ? Utter *******s bloody mouth piece Belive what you like. You know what Im saying is true.
sdthujfg	Posted - 2008.03.31 01:19:00 - [127] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba If some muslim think it is, then ccp might be in trouble, so it does not depend on your or mine point of view, i just wanted to show what can be a realistic reaction on that stuff, the evaluation of that (whether it is good or bad or giving in to terorrism) is a completely diffrent question. ccp will be fine
Mattikus	Posted - 2008.03.31 01:23:00 - [128] Originally by: sdthujfg Originally by: Bodhisattvas So you say it in public and won't say it ingame with your main ? All ballsy in public but a shrinking violet in game ? Utter *****s bloody mouth piece Belive what you like. You know what Im saying is true. I feel ccp should lock this thread otherwise its gonna get pretty ugly up in here soon. Im trying very hard to refain from saying things that could very well get me banned and I wouldnt like that cause I love this game. But man...there are WAY to many people on their high horses that need to get the ** down.
sdthujfg	Posted - 2008.03.31 01:28:00 - [129] Originally by: Mattikus Originally by: sdthujfg Originally by: Bodhisattvas So you say it in public and won't say it ingame with your main ? All ballsy in public but a shrinking violet in game ? Utter *****s bloody mouth piece Belive what you like. You know what Im saying is true. I feel ccp should lock this thread otherwise its gonna get pretty ugly up in here soon. Im trying very hard to refain from saying things that could very well get me banned and I wouldnt like that cause I love this game. But man...there are WAY to many people on their high horses that need to get the ** down. Agreed. I dont understand why its not locked yet either. It really doesnt belong here.
Bodhisattvas	Posted - 2008.03.31 01:30:00 - [130] Originally by: sdthujfg Originally by: Bodhisattvas So you say it in public and won't say it ingame with your main ? All ballsy in public but a shrinking violet in game ? Utter *******s bloody mouth piece Belive what you like. You know what Im saying is true. Post with your main and I'll believe you, well I'll believe your stupid enough to believe what you are saying. Your basis for belief is because you say so, mine is a tad more fact related. Your not gonna jihad my ass or anything now are you ?
Marlona Sky	Posted - 2008.03.31 01:51:00 - [131] Ahhhhhhh!!! CCP lock this please. Again, this is why there is the saying, "Friends don't talk about religion or politics." It is really hard to talk about things when people truely believe in those two things they are talking about. It is too contriversal. Lets all just walk away and get back to playing the game. No religion required. Remove insurance payout for being Concorded!!! Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Sereifex Daku	Posted - 2008.03.31 01:51:00 - [132] Originally by: Mattikus God I cant stand people like you. The ones who think they have some kind of intellect...the "spock's" of the game. "your logic is flawed" Lawliebuckets! Ok poindexter you are lame...get laid. LOL! Funny how the left wing 'let's all hug' hippies are the most vicious in forum debates I'm afraid I didn't read the rest of your post as I'm sure it's the same old "Leave the poor wittle Muslims alone, you vicious brute!" All I can say is log off, hide in a closet somewhere and cry.
Bodhisattvas	Posted - 2008.03.31 02:08:00 - [133] Originally by: Sereifex Daku Originally by: Mattikus God I cant stand people like you. The ones who think they have some kind of intellect...the "spock's" of the game. "your logic is flawed" Lawliebuckets! Ok poindexter you are lame...get laid. LOL! Funny how the left wing 'let's all hug' hippies are the most vicious in forum debates I'm afraid I didn't read the rest of your post as I'm sure it's the same old "Leave the poor wittle Muslims alone, you vicious brute!" All I can say is log off, hide in a closet somewhere and cry. If I may add to that. Bob hope got it right. Vicious comes from trying to defend such incorrect beliefs, they have to try harder than every one else.
Thorradin State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.31 02:45:00 - [134] Edited by: Thorradin on 31/03/2008 02:53:08 Originally by: sdthujfg lots of various propaganda and politically bias posts. Why would people willing to fight, up and leave something that people like them have died to create? Your very bias propaganda aside, it goes like this: There are 3 types people in the world, sheep, wolves, and sheepdogs. The sheep might be spooked by the sheepdogs that surround them, but whether they realize it or not, it's what keeps them from being devoured by the wolves.
doctorstupid2 Blood Corsair's Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.03.31 02:50:00 - [135] Originally by: sdthujfg Originally by: doctorstupid2 Originally by: sdthujfg bla bla bla Hey, I've got an idea. Get out. Did I step on a nerve army boy? More peace, less hate. How about you go live somewhere else, warmonger. I'm perfectly content where I am, you however, clearly are not. I have no interest in accommodating your poor little hippy feelings, if you're this unhappy with where ever it is you live, please feel free to exercise your right to gtfo, you shan't be missed. Deadspace2 \| Deadspace \| Fun in FAT-
zoltar	Posted - 2008.03.31 03:10:00 - [136] I dont know why this thread id not locked. May I quote Kieron from Out of Pod section on the forums under "Rules for the Out of Pod Experience- Read at least once -Updated 6 7. It shouldn't be necessary to do so, but it appears that some players feel the need to inflict their viewpoints on race, religion, politics, and other hot topic opinions on other players. These discussions will not be tolerated anywhere on the EVE forums. Players that cannot follow this guideline can lose their posting privileges immediately. This is the sole warning that will be issued regarding this.
Phroneo	Posted - 2008.03.31 03:21:00 - [137] Originally by: doctorstupid2 I'm perfectly content where I am, you however, clearly are not. I have no interest in accommodating your poor little hippy feelings, if you're this unhappy with where ever it is you live, please feel free to exercise your right to gtfo, you shan't be missed. True patriotism hates injustice in its own land more than anywhere else -- Clarence Darrow -- It may be that the old astrologers had the truth exactly reversed, when they believed that the stars controlled the destinies of men. The time may come when men control the destinies of stars. ACC
Vanessa Vale	Posted - 2008.03.31 05:12:00 - [138] Edited by: Vanessa Vale on 31/03/2008 05:13:33 Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Lol how blind can you be ! Watch the movie "Fitna" on youtube (if it hasn't been consored ot by now, another website hosting it had to close it due rl death threats). You realize the movie is propaganda, right? Or are you saying muhamad ali (or cassius clay) is also a terrorist and all that? You also realize liveleak deciding to remove the movie due to threats is not censorship, right? You're being manipulated and you aren't realizing it yet. Minmatar Boost Brigade
Terianna Eri	Posted - 2008.03.31 06:52:00 - [139] How the hell this didn't get locked just by the thread title escapes me. __________________________________ Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Surfin's PlunderBunny GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.31 07:02:00 - [140] Originally by: Terianna Eri How the hell this didn't get locked just by the thread title escapes me. Because it's amusing ------------------Sig-------------------------- J. Kerouac said it best in The Vanity of Duluoz: "Go droppeth a turd."
Bodhisattvas Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.03.31 09:02:00 - [141] Originally by: Phroneo Edited by: Phroneo on 31/03/2008 03:27:27 Originally by: doctorstupid2 I'm perfectly content where I am, you however, clearly are not. I have no interest in accommodating your poor little hippy feelings, if you're this unhappy with where ever it is you live, please feel free to exercise your right to gtfo, you shan't be missed. True patriotism hates injustice in its own land more than anywhere else -- Clarence Darrow Though I'm from Aus, I agree that much worse things are happening now and have happened in the past but are being ignored. We shouldn't care so much about 9/11 when we care so little about millions dying elsewhere. THE US, Aus, UK etc could do more but they are not so they're all just a bunch of racist hypocrites LoL. The poor nations would do the same and in our shoes so its just a human weakness that causes the majority to think this way. Being drunk is no reason for posting. Get some help NOW!
Malcanis	Posted - 2008.03.31 09:07:00 - [142] To all those protesting about their universal human right to not be offended by something: Well done for giving the goons precisely the reward they were hoping for by doing this. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
sdthujfg	Posted - 2008.03.31 09:15:00 - [143] Edited by: sdthujfg on 31/03/2008 09:15:46 Originally by: Thorradin There are 3 types people in the world, sheep, wolves, and sheepdogs. The sheep might be spooked by the sheepdogs that surround them, but whether they realize it or not, it's what keeps them from being devoured by the wolves. Now this is propaganda. Thats what your movies and series wants you to belive: That the US needs to be in iraq killing people for your safety. Thats just army propaganda youre falling for. Its sad that you and your fellow citizens have forgotten the most important quote of american history: "Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security" (Do you even know who said this?) Dont trust the sheepdogs, they are lying and eventually it will backfire and youre the one thats going to be held in a prison.
sdthujfg	Posted - 2008.03.31 09:18:00 - [144] Edited by: sdthujfg on 31/03/2008 09:18:43 Originally by: doctorstupid2 I'm perfectly content where I am, you however, clearly are not. You should read Crime and Punishment by Dostoyevsky. It would do you good. Do you read at all btw?
Overwhelmed	Posted - 2008.03.31 09:35:00 - [145] I love how whenever CCP locks a thread, some ******* starts another one with the same exact topic in seconds.
Surfin's PlunderBunny	Posted - 2008.03.31 09:35:00 - [146] I trust everyone here has seen the Jihadswarm vid? Kneel towards Mecca and watch! ------------------Sig-------------------------- J. Kerouac said it best in The Vanity of Duluoz: "Go droppeth a turd."
Bodhisattvas Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.03.31 10:02:00 - [147] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny I trust everyone here has seen the Jihadswarm vid? Kneel towards Mecca and watch! Damn I downloaded and forgot to watch,I'm gonna subscribe as well. You get free anti carebear back pack as well as condoms, them virgins are in fact dirty wimmin! last thing you want to be doing is running around in paradise with herpes.
sdthujfg State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.31 10:03:00 - [148] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny I trust everyone here has seen the Jihadswarm vid? Kneel towards Mecca and watch! I really dont see a problem with the video. Why can people make the same movie but with god instead of allah and christian music instead of arabic in the background. I mean no one would have cared. No one should care about this. Its funny. Thats it. If anything, its just making fun of terrorists.
Cleric JohnPreston Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.03.31 10:12:00 - [149] Edited by: Cleric JohnPreston on 31/03/2008 10:15:17 Originally by: sdthujfg blah blah blah ... This has nothing to do with religion you friggin moron! Terrists are NOT muslims. Terroists have NOTHIN to do with islam nor the coran. Youre so full of prejudice that its making me sick. The only thing jihadswarm is doing is mocking terrorists, NOT islam. How wrong you are. and i quote " ...it is a certain fact that not all Muslims are terrorists, but it is equally certain, and exceptionally painful, that almost all terrorists are Muslims. Heres the link, 'Innocent religion is now a message of hate' This sentiment has been echoed all over the world by other prominent people so save your crap please. I agree that state sponsored terrorism maybe constewed as terrorism ( im from N.Ireland and seen **** you've only read about! ) so i know both sides of the story. End of, there is no place in this game for Jihadswarm, and by Wranglers own admission, " they're trying to provoke you a little " serves only to show the double standards and insensitivity CCP has when dealing with issues about this. Ive an idea,, lets make an alliance with a Naz.i theme, see how they respond to that, sure well hide it under the premise of " were poking fun at Naz.is" and let Wrangler say then, "they're trying to provoke you a little".
Surfin's PlunderBunny GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.31 10:12:00 - [150] Because Allah gets more of a response ------------------Sig-------------------------- J. Kerouac said it best in The Vanity of Duluoz: "Go droppeth a turd."
sdthujfg State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.31 10:23:00 - [151] Originally by: Cleric JohnPreston How wrong you are. and i quote " ...it is a certain fact that not all Muslims are terrorists, but it is equally certain, and exceptionally painful, that almost all terrorists are Muslims. Its exactly quotes like that that create hate and prejudice. I could say every soldier killing innocent iraqies are christians but not all christians kill iraqies. The only reason any of those two quotes are uttered is to cause hate against the religion itself. It is in disguise because it appears to be telling you something that is true, but its not.
Rodj Blake PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.03.31 10:42:00 - [152] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 31/03/2008 01:08:55 Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 31/03/2008 01:07:29 Then go live in Iran... though when they find out you don't believe in Allah they will stone you... then I will post the video here and we'll all laugh Were you aware that Iran has a vibrant Jewish community? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
sdthujfg State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.31 10:44:00 - [153] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 31/03/2008 01:08:55 Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 31/03/2008 01:07:29 Then go live in Iran... though when they find out you don't believe in Allah they will stone you... then I will post the video here and we'll all laugh Were you aware that Iran has a vibrant Jewish community? I dont think he is aware of much. Thats the problem.
Slade Trillgon	Posted - 2008.03.31 12:03:00 - [154] Originally by: sdthujfg "Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security" (Do you even know who said this?) OOOO, I know Ben Franklin. Do I get the cookie? Originally by: Mattikus It doesnÆt matter if itÆs "in game" you stupid tard! They are mocking something that REAL people, thousands and thousands or people, have died or are dying from in REAL LIFE. Well then CCP needs to get rid of the whole slavery thingy then. As for everything else... I hereby request that all references to any religion, religious texts, wars, and slavery be removed from the game. All of these are offensive to me; therefore, I want the Amarr characters to be wiped from the code. /Sarcasm I see many profiles with references to the bible, should all of those profiles be erased since they could possible offend any other pilot with a differing religion, atheist, or agnostic? I would say no. Play your game, keep your insecurities out of game. To whoever said that the right-wingers are the ones that are "more in-touch with reality" is a joke!!! I am independent, by the way. Originally by: Cleric JohnPreston My mindset lol. I oppose the word Jihad in a game where it absolutely not needed. Good, I want you band because you are fronting as a religious wise man, a seer, a holy man. /sarcasm Originally by: Cleric JohnPreston yep and IÆll be looking back at the cesspit that is EVE`s community and ponder why the hell did I spend 3 years here. But, can I have your stuff? I can not believe it has not been asked yet. Remember give to the needy O yeah, some pilots in the thread need to re-think thier definition of terrorism. Muslims by no means have a singular hold on that type of warfare that terrorists use. Within the context of role-playing with the game, Racism is practically tolerated within the role-playing community. If you have a race subjugating another races for the purpose of free labor touches on some very touchy subjects. So all in all play the game and if something peeves you then let it role off your back like water drop of water. Slade
Amarth Thargan	Posted - 2008.03.31 13:58:00 - [155] Edited by: Amarth Thargan on 31/03/2008 13:59:07 I think this whole things proves (at least theorically) that there is a huuuge gap between what is screamed by people and what their motives are. It's very easy to scream For God while slaughtering babies, but one could also scream "For My Gardener, The Bakker, Mom, Miss Plum and Kitty", it would not make it any less or more horrible, immoral or revolting. Do not confuse the value of virtual acts with those of real life ones just because they have a catchy header.
Ogul	Posted - 2008.03.31 18:03:00 - [156] Edited by: Ogul on 31/03/2008 18:06:25 Originally by: Slade Trillgon Originally by: sdthujfg "Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security" (Do you even know who said this?) OOOO, I know Ben Franklin. Do I get the cookie? Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. With the information thus far available the issue of authorship of the statement is not yet definitely resolved, but the evidence indicates it was very likely Franklin, who in the Poor Richard's Almanack of 1738 is known to have written a similar proverb: "Sell not virtue to purchase wealth, nor Liberty to purchase power." Many paraphrased variants derived from this saying have arisen and have usually been incorrectly attributed to Franklin. http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin --- Don't put your trust in revolutions. They always come around again. That's why they're called revolutions. People die, and nothing changes.
Bodhisattvas	Posted - 2008.04.01 23:28:00 - [157] Originally by: Slade Trillgon Originally by: sdthujfg "Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security" (Do you even know who said this?) OOOO, I know Ben Franklin. Do I get the cookie? Originally by: Mattikus It doesnÆt matter if itÆs "in game" you stupid tard! They are mocking something that REAL people, thousands and thousands or people, have died or are dying from in REAL LIFE. Well then CCP needs to get rid of the whole slavery thingy then. As for everything else... I hereby request that all references to any religion, religious texts, wars, and slavery be removed from the game. All of these are offensive to me; therefore, I want the Amarr characters to be wiped from the code. /Sarcasm I see many profiles with references to the bible, should all of those profiles be erased since they could possible offend any other pilot with a differing religion, atheist, or agnostic? I would say no. Play your game, keep your insecurities out of game. To whoever said that the right-wingers are the ones that are "more in-touch with reality" is a joke!!! I am independent, by the way. Originally by: Cleric JohnPreston My mindset lol. I oppose the word Jihad in a game where it absolutely not needed. Good, I want you band because you are fronting as a religious wise man, a seer, a holy man. /sarcasm Originally by: Cleric JohnPreston yep and IÆll be looking back at the cesspit that is EVE`s community and ponder why the hell did I spend 3 years here. But, can I have your stuff? I can not believe it has not been asked yet. Remember give to the needy O yeah, some pilots in the thread need to re-think thier definition of terrorism. Muslims by no means have a singular hold on that type of warfare that terrorists use. Within the context of role-playing with the game, Racism is practically tolerated within the role-playing community. If you have a race subjugating another races for the purpose of free labor touches on some very touchy subjects. So all in all play the game and if something peeves you then let it role off your back like water drop of water. Slade Engaging Tactful Mode. kaa-ching You talk ****e
Slade Trillgon	Posted - 2008.04.01 23:36:00 - [158] Originally by: Bodhisattvas Engaging Tactful Mode. kaa-ching You talk **e That was my point!!! So you get an A ____________________________________________________________________________________________ Slade Trillgon Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider "Never sit with your back towards the door"** Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Hippy Dave	Posted - 2008.04.02 00:16:00 - [159] Thread = PURE WIN lol What a load of fuss about ** all, seriously people really need to chill a bit, its a bloody game ffs. To all those who reference 9/11 to somehow justify their outrage - It was one incident in 1000s of years of countless human atrocities, and not even a very big one at that. I mean seriously the only reason it was shocking was that it happened in the USA and for some reason everyone there thought they were untouchable, well you weren't... welcome to the real world. To all those hating on Islam - Its a religion and like all religions its about as real as the backstory of EVE, in fact the backstory of EVE is better written than most religious texts. Terrorists use religions to justify their actions and behaviour and to gain recruits they are nearly always linked to organised crime/money and power grabbing... Just like western countries justify their wars with politics (spreading democracy) Bottom line = Goons have totally won... They did this for two reasons imo - **s and Giggles and have managed to get both in spades Seriously i am anti-banning (ironic i know lol) I think we should all be able to reference and talk about anything we like in game, it is an adult MMO after all
sdthujfg State War Academy	Posted - 2008.04.02 00:31:00 - [160] Originally by: Hippy Dave Thread = PURE WIN lol What a load of fuss about ** all, seriously people really need to chill a bit, its a bloody game ffs. To all those who reference 9/11 to somehow justify their outrage - It was one incident in 1000s of years of countless human atrocities, and not even a very big one at that. I mean seriously the only reason it was shocking was that it happened in the USA and for some reason everyone there thought they were untouchable, well you weren't... welcome to the real world. To all those hating on Islam - Its a religion and like all religions its about as real as the backstory of EVE, in fact the backstory of EVE is better written than most religious texts. Terrorists use religions to justify their actions and behaviour and to gain recruits they are nearly always linked to organised crime/money and power grabbing... Just like western countries justify their wars with politics (spreading democracy) Bottom line = Goons have totally won... They did this for two reasons imo - **s and Giggles and have managed to get both in spades Seriously i am anti-banning (ironic i know lol) I think we should all be able to reference and talk about anything we like in game, it is an adult MMO after all This.
gpfwestie Blue. Blue Federation	Posted - 2008.04.02 00:49:00 - [161] I see your Jihad and raise you 7 Crusades. Muslims can't hold a candle to us Christians when it comes to wars, murder, torture and bigotry in the name of religion. And yet a Goonie Crusade, I'm sure would have sparked no such debate.
Abrazzar Equilibrium Inc. FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.04.02 00:54:00 - [162] Originally by: gpfwestie ... And yet a Goonie Crusade, I'm sure would have sparked no such debate. That's why they use a Jihad and not a Crusade. -------- Ideas for: Mining Clouds
Atreides Horza No Fear Buccaneers	Posted - 2008.04.05 10:01:00 - [163] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba No, this is just me being realistic and watching what is going on in this world. No, that's you being scared and thinking the smart way to go about it is cheering on a witch-hunt orchestrated by people who will stop at nothing to gain political power... Originally by: Yakia TovilToba If you make a bad movie about catholics and the pope, or buddah, noone will give a **. If you make that about muhammad, you will get shot in rl (see theo vangokh). ... and this is you being five years old. Free speech is not about the right to throw ** in other peoples faces without consequences. It's about excersizing that right without losing the respect for a substantial portion of this world's population while trying to argue against politized religion. In the middle-east religion has become politics - as is almost always the case in countries, where people get fed up with having little or no influence on their lives - and now the religion is being held hostage in a conflict between ideologies and political landscapes. You wanna put a stop to it? Tell your politicians to stop dcking around with other peoples' lives in order to make a profit. That'd be a good place to start. ... and fyi, lots of people have suffered for critizing christianity, catholicism and the pope... it's just that you don't hear about it so often - and the zealots of those religions don't have to splatter their @sses all over the skyline of major american cities given the fact that they're already state-sponsored, embedded in most any nation/state policy with plenty of influence - and most importantly, they have jobs, roofs over their heads, steady incomes and no particular reason to fear cruise missile strikes and economic sanctions. Originally by:* Yakia TovilToba And if you are running a newspaper and make sume funny pictures about the prophet, the flags of your country will be burned on streets, despite the government and the rest of that country's poplulations did nothing bad, not even liked those pictures. Funny sht is, that what we've seen in the television constitutes the anger of less than 10 pct. of all moslems in the world. The rest of them - those who have actually cared - have voiced their protest in perfectly democratic means, by choosing to boycot wares and goods from countries like Denmark and Holland where the pictures were printed. Or is economic sanctioning only viable when it serves our own purposes? But hey... Let's film the ***s burning flags in the streets and give credibility to their even more **** priests, statesmen and demagogues. I'm sure that'll help. Originally by:** Yakia TovilToba It's a diffrent way of thinking, and yes it is based on fear. I don't appreciate it, but thats the reality of today - you have to adapt or suffer. You have nothing to fear but fear itself. It's as simple as that. To plunder, to slaughter, to steal, these things they misname empire; and where they make a wilderness, they call it peace. - Tacitus
Shraki	Posted - 2008.04.05 10:50:00 - [164] Originally by: Inconstant Moon According to Wrangler, neither the Jihad themes, Kharttoon's name, nor references to Allah have anything to do with Islam. In my opinion, CCP's representatives are lacking sensitivity on a highly sensitive issue, to the extent that one might say Wrangler (the supposed community manager) in particular has risen to the level of his incompetence. The whole thing is in terribly poor taste and I have to try not to be offended as it is "just a game". You know, I'd quite like to see the reactions to anyone making a 9/11 game where you score points for people falling out the windows. This stuff is just not right. I think it would be hilarious. How is it that much different from GTA or Carmageddon. I do wonder how you would make them fall tho.. angle of plane impact? Imagine all the deaths in traffic compared to that one single hit. Neither is cool, all i'm saying is get some perspective. I know, pretty hard with the media feeding you all that hate.
Lord DeFault	Posted - 2008.04.05 12:12:00 - [165] I just don't think other faiths are being violent enough.. I mean look at the special treatment extremist thoughtless violence gets.! :P For the Republic
Atreides Horza	Posted - 2008.04.05 12:59:00 - [166] Edited by: Atreides Horza on 05/04/2008 13:04:46 Originally by: Lord DeFault I just don't think other faiths are being violent enough.. You should check up on the works of christian militias on african soil then. Especially the ones sanctioned by the catholic church in the past decades... Originally by: Lord DeFault I mean look at the special treatment extremist thoughtless violence gets.! :P There in lies the entire problem. Our politicians have realized the vast potential in pimping fear and prejudice to people with otherwize dull lives, all while the extremists have realized the vast potential in violence as a universal language that transcends cultural perceptions of the conflicts they are involved in. To put it bluntly, they've realized that noone in the West gives a sht if they argue for the things they want for themselves. They'll have to blow up thousands of people to get your strict attention... So, how's generalizations, hatespeech and paranoia gonna help us find common ground? I know of at least one dutch movie maker - and thousands like him - who'd gleefully say that we shouldn't have to find any common ground with them at all (cuz that's what they really want) - but then he's not really any different than the priests in Teheran, is he now? The only difference is the suit he's wearing tbfh - and when all comes to all, a cannibal isn't civilized just because he eats his prey with a knife and fork... To plunder, to slaughter, to steal, these things they misname empire; and where they make a wilderness, they call it peace.* - Tacitus
Lord DeFault Heretic Army DeStInY.	Posted - 2008.04.05 14:17:00 - [167] Edited by: Lord DeFault on 05/04/2008 14:22:23 I'm also versed with the Christian enslavement of England some 2000 years ago :P I'm referring to the fact you can have a joke out of anything but Islam, I'd love to see a Monty python film about Islam.. the war that was cause :P I'm from Cambridge... Town centre is filled with any one but British at times of the year.. I love it :P I'm very multicultural.. hell this language is only 25% native words.. if that.. :}= Just wish it worked both ways here :P For the Republic
Atreides Horza	Posted - 2008.04.05 15:23:00 - [168] Originally by: Lord DeFault I'm also versed with the Christian enslavement of England some 2000 years ago :P That was 2000 years ago. What I'm talking about with christian militias in Africa is present time. Originally by: Lord DeFault I'm referring to the fact you can have a joke out of anything but Islam, The thing is, you have to look at things in their context. Islam is such a sensitive issue to many of it's practicioners (often in diasporic communities such as those that characterize the UK) for a number of reasons that has to do with everything but the actual religion itself. Historically, socially, economically. It's all about unadressed issues - and they will persist until you stop operating with setting everything islam to -10 by default - much as they will have to overcome the same bias to rid themselves of the notion that religious doctrine takes precedence over common sense. Religion just happens to be the way in which it is expressed. Originally by: Lord DeFault I'd love to see a Monty python film about Islam.. the war that was cause :P Do you remember the upstir Monty Python created when it first came out? I'm sure you do and I'm aware it's nowhere near the magnitude of, say, the infamous cartoon strips... but again, the christianity and catholicism that Monty Python mocked didn't have to defend itself to survive. It was already embedded in the entire culture, the royal family, the oathes to which your soldiers swear and the morality of your mom and dad. It wasn't a matter of politics - until Monty Python became poster boy to a rebellious youth, I guess - but it very much so is for a lot of people in the middle east. In those places, sectarian religion has become the political party that you join if you want to change things for yourself and your family - and keeping their belief system intact is equivalent to keeping themselves alive and in business. It ties into the political sphere in so many ways. All those morons you see burning Bush-dolls and american flags? That's signal politics. Outplayed, outgunned and outmanned in a global political arena governed by financial power, the religious leaders have become the statesmen of nations and spokesmen of thousands of socially and culturally displaced people across the globe. The angry mob has become their ambassadors - and the hijacked airplane churning into the World Trade Center has become their equivalent of sending Colin Powell for a visit. You may not buy into that, but the sad truth is that visits from people such as Colin Powell kills just as many people as there was victims of 9/11 - and most of those go unmourned. By us, at least. With time, the moslems in your country will have their own Monty Python - but they'll need the freedom to reflect on their beliefs, and how are they supposed to find that when they'll have to denounce 2000 years of religious and cultural heritage everytime some ****** bombs a subway station? To plunder, to slaughter, to steal, these things they misname empire; and where they make a wilderness, they call it peace. - Tacitus
Lord DeFault	Posted - 2008.04.05 16:12:00 - [169] ôThat was 2000 years ago. What I'm talking about with christian militias in Africa is present time. ô aye IÆm aware of the idiots that are vitiating the 6th comment to get the Ten commands as lawà It's deem blasphemous to even change Arabic, How do you propose it will evolve and change when the very bases of thought isn't allowed too.. The language? And your right about all those whining christens when the first film came out (But no one was killed) we finally got other that and now we are going back to square one lol As for politics, and nationalist pigs exploiting various things to there advantage, I donÆt care lol They are ruining my country at a alarming rate. End of the day we have hoards of people coming hereà and then a small few complaining about the few bits of culture we have left, Here we take the **** out of everything. Dead ringers, Black adder is the bollox if you want history.. Even the banter, if you get some brits together on teamspeak on eve.. Nothing is sacred lol Everything is equal, To change how we treat Islam cos some nutters will turn into nasty . is a double standard and weak mindedness. I have been round the world btw fella :P HereÆs something I learned in the middle east ô A world with out respect, is a world without peaceö. WhereÆs the respect in the double standard -.- Over there should be there rules.. customs and ways.. Hereà we do it are way.. Internet.. Is a Free for all I'm very happy to say i have Muslim friends.. I went to school and work with em , letÆs get that straight :P Too much typing.. group hug For the Republic

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