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Dyaven
Soldiers of the Empire
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Posted - 2008.03.30 05:58:00 -
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0.0 ratting Guristas in a Vexor, should I use EM drones or Thermal drones? I'm just assuming that their shields have low EM resists like player ships, but I could be wrong. I can kill up to 1.1m BS spawns (haven't seen anything higher) using hammerhead Is but it takes a long ass time. Their shields take like 10 mins to take down, but once they're down to armor it only takes another 2 mins to finish them off. ---- In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move. - The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, Douglas Addams |
sableye
principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.03.30 06:00:00 -
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thermal I'd say
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.03.30 06:12:00 -
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thermal or kinetic
guristas usually have a high em resist
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Jurgen Cartis
Interstellar Corporation of Exploration Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2008.03.30 08:46:00 -
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Edited by: Jurgen Cartis on 30/03/2008 08:46:18 Kinetic Vespa IIs. Cheaper than Hammerhead IIs and work as well or better on Guristas. Both will do FAR better than Infiltrators though. Some Guristas ships have EM resistances as high as 90%, with 70-75% kinetic resists. Belt BS go up to about 79-80% there, with kinetic in the 50-60% resist range.
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CmdoColin
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Posted - 2008.03.30 16:44:00 -
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Dyaven, you mention a Vexor. I hope you're using t2 drones, as what I'm about to say only definately refers to those...
First up - Jurgen Cartis is right. Kinetic is the Guristas weakest resist... but, here's the thing.
I'm going to say Hammerhead II's are SLIGHTLY better against Guristas and Dread Guristas. Vespa II's are better against Dire Guristas. It's possibly those that are causing the problem too, as they are the toughest.
The reason being, the damage multiplier is higher on Hammerhead II's. Even with the Guristas lowest resist being Kinetic, their thermal resist isn't far beind. Because the Hammerhead II's do just that little bit more damage, they JUST do a tiny bit more damage. This is more so with shields against the "average" Gurista ship. As Gurista's shield tank, and have more shield hp than armour, its slightly more advantageous.
Now this does change slightly with Dread Guristas, its even less of a bonus. When we get to Dire Guristas finally Kinetic wins through. At which point you are better off using Vespsa's II. As these are probably the ones you're finding hardest to kill, yet again Jurgen Cartis is right. Kinetic will burn these hardest ones down faster.
The vespa's II do move slightly faster, so if you're popping rats left right and centre, you might be better off sticking with them.
A disclaimer on this... the info is from t20's 2006 report. Things might have changed... I also only went through the pain of working this out for t2 medium drones. Sentries, lights and heavies maybe different, but as I don't use them, I didn't work that out.
Also bear in mind my maths maybe way way out there as I can't always count... Audita et altera pars |
Wet Ferret
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.03.30 22:41:00 -
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Kinetic are always better vs Guristas and Serpentis. Moreso vs Serpentis but still better for Guristas.
The difference in base damage is approximately 9.6% on the drones. The difference in unresisted (probably the wrong term) thermal and kinetic on Guristas is around 10-20% from cruisers on to BS in favor of kinetic.
Basically you will be getting about 4% more damage from kinetic on normal cruisers. On battleships and dires the gap between the (unresisted) resists is greater so you get much more damage from kinetic. Kinetic drones fly faster, track better and are cheaper so even if it was a tie you'd probably still want to use them.
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CmdoColin
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.03.31 01:10:00 -
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Originally by: CmdoColin "average" Gurista ship.
Originally by: Wet Ferret The difference in unresisted (probably the wrong term) thermal and kinetic on Guristas is around 10-20% from cruisers on to BS in favor of kinetic.
And I thought I was ohhh so clever....
I've taken ship average, from the smallest easiest little frig, up to the most hardcore battleship for the 3 kinds. Once sorting by ship size there resists do kinda get balanced... So everything I said before could be garbage... I'll have to sit down with a calculator again
Wet Ferret and Jurgen Cartis are probably giving the best advice... Go for vespa's.
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FatFreddy
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Posted - 2008.03.31 01:16:00 -
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Originally by: Dyaven 0.0 ratting Guristas in a Vexor, should I use EM drones or Thermal drones?
Kinetic drones:
http://eveinfo.com/npcships/560/eve-online-asteroid-guristas-battleship.html
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Ulstan
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.03.31 03:16:00 -
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Use Vespa II's. While hammerheads have a higher damage multiplier, the difference between kinetic and thermal resistances is great enough that vespa II's win out. (Very slightly).
Either will do, but on no account use EM drones.
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